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"Chuck" wrote in message ...
Was the New Jersey amp an Adcom? No, it was Sonic Developments, I believe. |
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:12:20 +1000, "Trevor" wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message m... I have pair about 1m from my head right now ; home-built, and damped with 1/8" lead sheet (!). They sound glorious at low-to-moderate volumes, apart from the lack of bass. A sub compensates for that. Yes but it's tiresome people claiming a speaker is suitable for everything while ignoring that is only the case when used with a sub. A bit like saying a sub is a great speaker, as long as it's used with good sattelites! In that case Whise made one of the great speakers IMO, the 319A :-) Trevor. No, this just isn't right. The Quad goes a fair bit lower than the speakers most people have in home systems. 40Hz will satisfy all but a tiny amount of music. How many full range coned speakers do you know that extend appreciably below 40Hz without a sub? I can only think of Willson, and they effectively have a sub bolted on to the bottom of the six foot high stack. The comparison is perfectly valid. d |
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On 10/06/2014 8:12 p.m., Trevor wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message ... I have pair about 1m from my head right now ; home-built, and damped with 1/8" lead sheet (!). They sound glorious at low-to-moderate volumes, apart from the lack of bass. A sub compensates for that. Yes but it's tiresome people claiming a speaker is suitable for everything while ignoring that is only the case when used with a sub. A bit like saying a sub is a great speaker, as long as it's used with good sattelites! In that case Whise made one of the great speakers IMO, the 319A :-) Trevor. I don't think anybody claim the speaker in question was "good for everything" geoff |
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PS: I will deprecate, a priori, whatever Gary says about this, so we don't get
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On 10-06-2014 22:05, geoff wrote:
On 10/06/2014 8:12 p.m., Trevor wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... I have pair about 1m from my head right now ; home-built, and damped with 1/8" lead sheet (!). They sound glorious at low-to-moderate volumes, apart from the lack of bass. A sub compensates for that. Yes but it's tiresome people claiming a speaker is suitable for everything while ignoring that is only the case when used with a sub. A bit like saying a sub is a great speaker, as long as it's used with good sattelites! In that case Whise made one of the great speakers IMO, the 319A :-) Trevor. I don't think anybody claim the speaker in question was "good for everything" In as much as my KEF Coda's are a variation on the same theme I'll make that claim. I have never used them with a sub, eq always did it. But of course the SPL requirement must stay within the xmax. The have done a good job of delivering a second opinion and working when stuff was being rebuilt/modded since 1977 or so. About now they are kinda needing new front suspension on the bass units, the rubber is getting dryish and beginning to crack up, but it is from age and not from use. I am deeply impressed with the quality of the units. geoff Kind regards Peter Larsen |
#128
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
PS: I will deprecate, a priori, whatever Gary says about this, so we don't get into an argument. Just that your idea is good, but the experiments have been done and you would need many more speakers than Ambisonics usually uses. See the illustration on the cover of Blauert. Gary |
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#130
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Trevor wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... I have pair about 1m from my head right now ; home-built, and damped with 1/8" lead sheet (!). They sound glorious at low-to-moderate volumes, apart from the lack of bass. A sub compensates for that. Yes but it's tiresome people claiming a speaker is suitable for everything while ignoring that is only the case when used with a sub. A bit like saying a sub is a great speaker, as long as it's used with good sattelites! In that case Whise made one of the great speakers IMO, the 319A :-) Not many people have 'a' speaker. They generally have two. But there is no directional information at very low frequencies, so it can make a deal of sense to use a single speaker for this, allowing smaller main speakers. Sure, but that wasn't my point. IF you add a subwoofer then it's the *system* you are comparing, NOT just the main speakers. Thats my point. If, of course, you do listen to the sort of music which makes use of that last octave or so. A great deal - perhaps most - doesn't. Perhaps "most" don't, but would if not for size, cost and many other factors. Large speakers which can reproduce the entire audio band at high levels introduce their own problems - due to their size. Of course, which is why no speaker is ideal for all people, all homes, and all music. Trevor. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Trevor wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... You know of any speaker which doesn't have limitations? Perhaps you'd be good enough to inform me of the make and model. Nope, which is why I disagreed with the assertion that good speakers are great for All Types of Music in the first place! So I assume you change your speakers according to the type of music you listen to? Yep, and the type of environment they are used in. And I'd far rather listen to rock music on a speaker which makes a good fist of a string quartet than the other way round. I'd far rather use the right tool for the job, but you are welcome to whatever compromises you choose. Trevor. |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... On 10/06/2014 8:12 p.m., Trevor wrote: "geoff" wrote in message ... I have pair about 1m from my head right now ; home-built, and damped with 1/8" lead sheet (!). They sound glorious at low-to-moderate volumes, apart from the lack of bass. A sub compensates for that. Yes but it's tiresome people claiming a speaker is suitable for everything while ignoring that is only the case when used with a sub. A bit like saying a sub is a great speaker, as long as it's used with good sattelites! In that case Whise made one of the great speakers IMO, the 319A :-) I don't think anybody claim the speaker in question was "good for everything" That was in fact the claim I originally responded to, that good speakers were good for all types of music. And the original claim was referring to the ESL59's and not for speaker systems only when including subs. Or only for people who never play the type of music they are NOT suited for! Trevor. |
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"Peter Larsen" wrote in message k... In as much as my KEF Coda's are a variation on the same theme I'll make that claim. I have never used them with a sub, eq always did it. But of course the SPL requirement must stay within the xmax. The have done a good job of delivering a second opinion and working when stuff was being rebuilt/modded since 1977 or so. About now they are kinda needing new front suspension on the bass units, the rubber is getting dryish and beginning to crack up, but it is from age and not from use. I am deeply impressed with the quality of the units. Sure, I still have a pair of KEF Concerto's too which are still in fine condition (I did give them a tweeter/xover upgrade quite a while back) They still get used from time to time, and am also deeply impressed. They are probably the closest I have to an all round speaker in my collection. The rest tend to be better for the specific needs they were designed/purchased for. I was also a big fan of the Duntech Sovereigns for years, (no longer have them) but hardly a speaker for everyone.though :-) Trevor. |
#134
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Trevor wrote: So I assume you change your speakers according to the type of music you listen to? Yep, and the type of environment they are used in. Right. Just the thing for those requiring a decent domestic speaker. And I'd far rather listen to rock music on a speaker which makes a good fist of a string quartet than the other way round. I'd far rather use the right tool for the job, but you are welcome to whatever compromises you choose. Is there any room for seating in your listening room with all these speakers? -- *Fax is stronger than fiction * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
#135
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Trevor wrote: I don't think anybody claim the speaker in question was "good for everything" That was in fact the claim I originally responded to, that good speakers were good for all types of music. And the original claim was referring to the ESL59's and not for speaker systems only when including subs. Or only for people who never play the type of music they are NOT suited for! And your response is you need different speakers for different types of music and also presumably speech. And then there's different ones for different environments too. BTW, I've never heard an 'ESL 59' If you have perhaps that explains things. -- *Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
#136
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On 12/06/2014 10:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote: So I assume you change your speakers according to the type of music you listen to? Yep, and the type of environment they are used in. Right. Just the thing for those requiring a decent domestic speaker. And I'd far rather listen to rock music on a speaker which makes a good fist of a string quartet than the other way round. I'd far rather use the right tool for the job, but you are welcome to whatever compromises you choose. Is there any room for seating in your listening room with all these speakers? And how much do they interact? Do ported speakers act as bass traps when other speakers are in active use and they are isolated from their amplifier? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Trevor wrote: So I assume you change your speakers according to the type of music you listen to? Yep, and the type of environment they are used in. Right. Just the thing for those requiring a decent domestic speaker. And I'd far rather listen to rock music on a speaker which makes a good fist of a string quartet than the other way round. I'd far rather use the right tool for the job, but you are welcome to whatever compromises you choose. Is there any room for seating in your listening room with all these speakers? Yep, I don't live in a bed sit. Perhaps you do. I did not say they were all in the same room however, but a few certainly are. Trevor. |
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Trevor wrote: Is there any room for seating in your listening room with all these speakers? Yep, I don't live in a bed sit. Perhaps you do. No. I have what is for the UK a fairly large Victorian house. I did not say they were all in the same room however, but a few certainly are. Fine if you like living in an aisle of Walmart, then. Others may have different taste. Hopefully. -- *Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Trevor" wrote in message ...
Sure, I still have a pair of KEF Concertos, too, which are still in fine condition (I did give them a tweeter/xover upgrade quite a while back) They still get used from time to time, and am also deeply impressed. This is a speaker (introduced in 1969 and discontinued in 1977) that was badly dated 30 years ago. The Concerto was the sort of design that gave KEF a reputation for making speakers that weren't as good as those from other companies using the same drivers. (The Transduction T5 I mentioned in an earlier post was such a speaker.) |