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As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks.
A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin |
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On 11/19/2010 1:41 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin You're making the mistake of assuming that companies care about their customers. Most of them do not. Customers are fungible commodities. Lose one, get another one. Unfortunately they couldn't care less whether you ever use their service again. Fortunately, not every company is that way, but most of them (TimeWarner Cable, AT&T, Verizon) are. The good news is that these companies are leaving themselves wide open for competition. Maybe one day, they will have some. The bad news is that UPS is much worse than FedEx. YMMV |
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It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen,
especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. It's not /just/ a matter of helping a customer track down a package. It's also a matter of whether a signature is required. If it wasn't, then the driver had little motivation other than to dump the package. |
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On 11/19/2010 1:41 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote:
It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. FedEx's customer service is basically oriented around their tracking system, and when a package isn't in the tracking system, they get all confused and don't know what to do. If you think this is bad, though, UPS is even worse. FedEx loses things and they break things, but they pay on the insurance when they do. UPS has to be taken to court to get them to pay. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Nov 19, 12:00*pm, mcp6453 wrote:
On 11/19/2010 1:41 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. *It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. *In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. * I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. *That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. *She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. *(The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. *What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. *As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin You're making the mistake of assuming that companies care about their customers. Most of them do not. Customers are fungible commodities. Lose one, get another one. Unfortunately they couldn't care less whether you ever use their service again. Fortunately, not every company is that way, but most of them (TimeWarner Cable, AT&T, Verizon) are. The good news is that these companies are leaving themselves wide open for competition. Maybe one day, they will have some. The bad news is that UPS is much worse than FedEx. YMMV- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I hate ups mostly because they are a ripoff . I'm saving about 40% on shipping since I ****canned them and started using usps priority flat rate shipping . I can crap up to 50 lbs of metal parts into a $14 box, 2-3 days . D |
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On Nov 19, 3:00*pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
You're thinking that because one carrier is good, the others are bad. Scott Dorsey hit the nail on the head. It's not about the customer anymore. We're all fungible, which is the economic term for an interchangeable commodity, like electricity, or soybeans. Bob Morein (310) 237-6511- Hide quoted text - absolutely, individuals do not matter . I get things from a large supplier that ships me overnight ups for no extra cost. I imagine that they are big enough to matter to ups , but they're also big enough not to give a crap about me. D |
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Both UPS and Fedex have a sliding scale of deliberate obstinacy:
1. They pay off a $100 claim without difficulty. 2. As the insured value of the shipment goes up, they make it increasingly difficult, by finding faults in the packaging. 3. For high value, nobody gets paid, except possibly if the shipment is in an ATA case. FedEx's policy on what "insurance" comprises verges on the incomprehensible. I've never fully understood it. You're thinking that because one carrier is good, the others are bad. Scott Dorsey hit the nail on the head. It's not about the customer anymore. We're all fungible, which is the economic term for an interchangeable commodity, like electricity, or soybeans. Or pobble beads. |
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I've since learned that the folks behind the wheel are
not FedEx employees. They are contractors [sic]. That's true for FedEx Ground. Is it true for all other FedEx services? |
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In article , Rick Ruskin
wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin My sympathies, Rick. I've had similar experiences with ALL the various carriers. The chances of the same thing happening again for you with some other carrier are likely equal to the chances of it happening again if you continue to use FedEx. IMO FedEx does have the best tracking system around, even if their own personnel can't manage to help the customer in a situation such as yours. -- Larry Pattis http://www.LarryPattis.com |
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"mcp6453" wrote in message
... | On 11/19/2010 1:41 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote: | As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. | | A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I | was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked | its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at | 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the | proper address. | | 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the | whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story | with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim | could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even | aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace | agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of | the business day yesterday. That call never came. | | In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, | hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by | mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after | finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. | Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the | shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew | nothing of this until I called them this morning). | | It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, | especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty | eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can | drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency | of their communication both within the company and to their customers. | | As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request | any other carrier. | | | Rick Ruskin | Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA | http://liondogmusic.com | http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin | | | You're making the mistake of assuming that companies care about their customers. | Most of them do not. Customers are fungible commodities. Lose one, get another one. | | Unfortunately they couldn't care less whether you ever use their service again. | | Fortunately, not every company is that way, but most of them (TimeWarner Cable, | AT&T, Verizon) are. | | The good news is that these companies are leaving themselves wide open for | competition. Maybe one day, they will have some. | | The bad news is that UPS is much worse than FedEx. YMMV I work with large companies frequently dealing with field sales people up to CEOs. My work often requires that I participate in policy meetings at the highest levels. I have never got the impression that these companies "couldn't care less whether you ever use their service again." I do get the impression from upper management that they care a great deal. I watched a CEO in a meeting about customer service once invite a manager out of the meeting for a private conversation, which resuilted in the dismissal of the manager and an escort out of the building. What I also hear in meetings over and over is that it is far more expensive to add new customers than it is to retain current customers. I do hear about failures on the part of employees "do the right thing", failures of systems and processes, and failures of (mostly) lower level managers to effectively supervise and train their employees. Believe what you want, but be careful of generalizing. About FedEx... I have no direct knowlege of their policies. I use FedEx to ship. I specify FedEx as a shipper of purchases, when I can. They've never lost one of my packages. Luck, I guess. Steve King |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:03:38 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
something compelled Dar , to say: I hate ups mostly because they are a ripoff . I'm saving about 40% on shipping since I ****canned them and started using usps priority flat rate shipping . I can crap up to 50 lbs of metal parts into a $14 box, 2-3 days . Wow. I can't crap up to fifty pounds of anything in only two or three days. -- Howdya like that... we started playing guitar to impress the chicks and wind up talkin' fingernails with old men. Ray Boyce - 9.27.09 |
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Well, you know that FedEx was originally set up to serve
businesses. The delivery system was planned around there being a real building with the company name on the outside, where someone was expected to be there to receive the package during normal business hours. That almost always worked and FedEx built a solid reputation around their reliability. It was rare that individuals used the service. With the eBay explosion, and the rise of people doing business in their homes and needing a service like FedEx, they had to accommodate deliveries to residences which are not so easily identified. The FedEx Home Delivery service goes on the same airplanes, but the delivery fleet and drivers are an entirely different outfit. They bought out another delivery service and that's what they got. Since there's only one customer service phone number, it takes a while for the information to get to the Home Delivery department (someone needs to update the IT there, I guess). In Rick's case, the driver clearly screwed up. All he knew was that he made a deliver that he thought was correct, so that's what was reported. Sounds like things eventually got straightened out, so that's good. |
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"mcp6453" wrote in message ... On 11/19/2010 1:41 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin You're making the mistake of assuming that companies care about their customers. Most of them do not. Customers are fungible commodities. Lose one, get another one. Unfortunately they couldn't care less whether you ever use their service again. Fortunately, not every company is that way, but most of them (TimeWarner Cable, AT&T, Verizon) are. The good news is that these companies are leaving themselves wide open for competition. Maybe one day, they will have some. The bad news is that UPS is much worse than FedEx. YMMV Not only all that is true, but it is also true that the average HS graduate today (in many places) can't either read or write. So you are being killed by the "dumbing down of America", even when they try to give you good service. |
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"Soundhaspriority" wrote in message ... "Rick Ruskin" wrote in message ... As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. [snip] It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin Rick, don't waste your anger on this. They're all equally bad. To wit, a story. A major dealer of audio equipment of all kinds had a roomful of packages ruined by UPS, by water. They felt like you do. They switched to Fedex. Two years later, they switched back. Now they offer a choice: pick your poison. A manufacturing company of high repute related that they had never, ever, succeeded in collecting damages from UPS. Both UPS and Fedex have a sliding scale of deliberate obstinacy: 1. They pay off a $100 without difficulty. 2. As the insured value of the shipment goes up, they make it increasingly difficult, by finding faults in the packaging. 3. For high value, nobody gets paid, except possibly if the shipment is in an ATA case. Personally, I had a Fedex driver come to my door and try to dump a package on me. I explained this was not the address. He was going to take it to the nextdoor wrong house, but I stopped him 4. And the good Ol USPS has a way of making packages vanish. Occasionally, they do show up again. You're thinking that because one carrier is good, the others are bad. Scott Dorsey hit the nail on the head. It's not about the customer anymore. We're all fungible, which is the economic term for an interchangeable commodity, like electricity, or soybeans. Bob Morein (310) 237-6511 About thirty years ago, I ordered two pair of down filled mittens with leather palms through L.L. Bean (IIRC) They never came. So, I put a tracer on them, and they were sent by UPS. About two weeks later, I got this letter in the mail that had the shipping paperwork in it, and the driver had scribbled on the slip, "Put in bricks on front porch". I ran out to my front porch, and at the opposite end of the porch from the front door, there were some concrete blocks, with two large holes in each one. Jammed inside one of the blocks, was my package with the two pair of mittens in it! So, the system sometimes works...:^) |
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"mcp6453" wrote in message
... On 11/19/2010 1:41 PM, Rick Ruskin wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. You're making the mistake of assuming that companies care about their customers. Most of them do not. Customers are fungible commodities. Lose one, get another one. Oh, no...somebody actually went and used the word "fungible" in Usenet. And here, all along, I figured that I was digging myself a dangerously deep cyber-hole when I happened to use "deracinated" a time two or two while utilizing Usenet...(big ol' grin). http://inyo.110mb.com/music/rebelrouser.html My solo, acoustic 6-string guitar version of "Rebel-Rouser." Originally recorded by the king of "twang guitar," Duane Eddy, whose powerful, reverb-laden electric guitar production--with energetic saxapone, as well--soared to #6 in the US during the summer of 1958, eventually spending 12 weeks in the Top 40. One of the most famous instrumentals of the Pop-Rock Era, composed by Duane Eddy and Lee Hazelwood. |
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On Nov 19, 4:00*pm, "Soundhaspriority" wrote:
a sliding scale of deliberate obstinacy: what does Fedex and the ancient Hebrews have in common? Why deliberate obstinacy of course He tastes the bitterness of the chalice (12:27). His last thought is for His Blessed Mother (19:26-27). Christ, according to St. John, is God, He is the Light of the World, enlightening all men that come into this world, and - according to their dispositions - attracting them or repelling them. This self-revelation of Christ, with the accompanying acceptance or rejection of Him by men, is emphasized throughout the fourth Gospel. The Gospel explains how it was that the Abrahamic promises were not fulfilled in the Jews of Jerusalem. It shows that Christ left nothing undone to convince the Jews of His Messianic and Divine dignity. Their rejection of Him was due entirely to their own ***DELIBERATE OBSTINACY***** I love google |
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On 11/19/2010 8:46 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
About thirty years ago, I ordered two pair of down filled mittens with leather palms through L.L. Bean (IIRC) They never came. So, I put a tracer on them, and they were sent by UPS. About two weeks later, I got this letter in the mail that had the shipping paperwork in it, and the driver had scribbled on the slip, "Put in bricks on front porch". I still get a newspaper delivered to my house and every now and then I have to hunt for it. If I don't find it, I'll call and get another one delivered, then I might find the original one a couple of weeks later. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On 11/19/2010 11:06 PM, Dar wrote:
I do almost all my domestic shipping through their online service, and I get documentation when I print the labels and don't have to wait in line at the p.o., just drop them at the counter. We save probably close to $2k a year over UPS . Whenever I have something to ship that's heavier than a letter, I always shop USPS, UPS, and FedEx on line and pick the cheapest one. For small things (an IC, or a single CD, for example) USPS First Class always used to be cheapest and quickest but now that they charge extra for something that isn't a plain letter, FedEx Ground is often cheaper. You can't send a disk for half a buck any more. When shipping something that's 10 pounds or more, something that won't fit in a flat rate box, or something of significant value like a microphone, I don't use USPS. Partial Post is almost always dreadfully slow and the longer the time between drop-off and receipt, the better the chance that something will go astray. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On Nov 20, 5:21*am, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 11/19/2010 11:06 PM, Dar wrote: I do almost all my domestic shipping through their online service, and I get documentation when I print the labels and don't have to wait in line at the p.o., just drop them at the counter. We save probably close to $2k a year over UPS . Whenever I have something to ship that's heavier than a letter, I always shop USPS, UPS, and FedEx on line and pick the cheapest one. For small things (an IC, or a single CD, for example) USPS First Class always used to be cheapest and quickest but now that they charge extra for something that isn't a plain letter, FedEx Ground is often cheaper. You can't send a disk for half a buck any more. When shipping something that's 10 pounds or more, something that won't fit in a flat rate box, or something of significant value like a microphone, I don't use USPS. Partial Post is almost always dreadfully slow and the longer the time between drop-off and receipt, the better the chance that something will go astray. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and interesting audio stuff good plan. I almost always send small, heavy items (aforementioned metal parts and/or tools) that fit into the flat rate boxes . One of the main reasons I used UPS for so long before we moved was accountability and their insurance is cheaper than the p.o. . They are stubborn about paying claims but hardly ever lost anything . I do not miss getting the UPS bill every month, with fuel surcharges, resedential surcharges, out-of-our- way surcharges ; ******s charged me $8 apiece extra for plastic cat litter tubs ('crapped' with scrap copper, all taped up nicely) because they weren't "in a cardboard container" , and I thought "bite me; my driver liked the idea of leaving the handles on, but some prick in an office says that the book says '$8 extra' ". Oh well, they are good for certain things , like the 30" cube box next week that's too big for the p.o. . D |
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FEDEX just delivered a VAOM-04 to my door about a half hour ago.
Not even a dent on the box! I haven't used UPS for years because of what they did to a guitar that I'd bought... and refused to honor their responsibility for the broken neck. The jury's still out on USPS. I shipped my son a package for his birthday via Priority Mail...shipped it two days before his birthday...took FIVE days to get to MO from RI! Geezer |
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*I watched a
CEO in a meeting about customer service once invite a manager out of the meeting for a private conversation, which resuilted in the dismissal of the manager and an escort out of the building. *What I also hear in meetings over and over is that it is far more expensive to add new customers than it is to retain current customers. *I do hear about failures on the part of employees "do the right thing", failures of systems and processes, and failures of (mostly) lower level managers to effectively supervise and train their employees. *Believe what you want, but be careful of generalizing.. About FedEx... I have no direct knowlege of their policies. *I use FedEx to ship. *I specify FedEx as a shipper of purchases, when I can. *They've never lost one of my packages. *Luck, I guess. Steve King in more and more jobs the work flow is "designed" so that people don't have to use their brain so that lower cost employees can be used to boost profit.......but then they don't know how to handle the exception cases... it's actually pretty easy to pilot a jet plane, when all the equipment is working right Mark |
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Mark wrote:
I watched a CEO in a meeting about customer service once invite a manager out of the meeting for a private conversation, which resuilted in the dismissal of the manager and an escort out of the building. What I also hear in meetings over and over is that it is far more expensive to add new customers than it is to retain current customers. I do hear about failures on the part of employees "do the right thing", failures of systems and processes, and failures of (mostly) lower level managers to effectively supervise and train their employees. Believe what you want, but be careful of generalizing. About FedEx... I have no direct knowlege of their policies. I use FedEx to ship. I specify FedEx as a shipper of purchases, when I can. They've never lost one of my packages. Luck, I guess. Steve King in more and more jobs the work flow is "designed" so that people don't have to use their brain so that lower cost employees can be used to boost profit....... That's part of it, but not all. It's a rare business that has real labor cost issues. Part of the story is that people simply *want* consistent results. Designing that is difficult. but then they don't know how to handle the exception cases... it's actually pretty easy to pilot a jet plane, when all the equipment is working right Mark -- Les Cargill |
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On Nov 20, 10:57*am, "Geezer51" wrote:
FEDEX just delivered a VAOM-04 to my door about a half hour ago. Not even a dent on the box! I haven't used UPS for years because of what they did to a guitar that I'd bought... and refused to honor their responsibility for the broken neck. The jury's still out on USPS. I shipped my son a package for his birthday via Priority Mail...shipped it two days before his birthday...took FIVE days to get to MO from RI! Geezer yeah I've lost things through them and we've all heard stories about mailpersons being less than dutiful in their treatment of mail . there are so many of them, human error and negligence is bound to play a larger role than with UPS or FedEx . for me the savings over UPS is a good tradeoff , and I insure the expensive boxes, but haven't had to file a claim yet (probably lucky). UPS did ruin an acrylic bird cage once ; even though there was a clear boot print on the side , they said my packaging was deficient . dicks. the times I've sent guitars UPS I 'crapped' the cases in layers of bubble wrap inside the box. D D D |
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UPS did ruin an acrylic bird cage once. Even though there
was a clear boot print on the side, they said my packaging was deficient. According to a UPS guy I spoke with, to be "properly" packed, a package has to be able to withstand being pushed off the conveyor belt and landing on the floor, several times. When I've had "critical" stuff to pack, I've paid UPS to do it for me (which, a few years back, was not terribly expensive). I had no trouble with those. |
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On Nov 20, 4:41*am, Rick Ruskin wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. *It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. *In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. * I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. *That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. *She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. *(The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. *What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. *As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin I'm nervous about using parcel services, especially the way they leave things on the doorstep, but I haven't had a problem so far. For fragile stuff like guitars, I always get the driver to look over the outside of the package with me before he leaves. I assume that if I buy a guitar from somewhere like Elderly Instruments, they will protect their reputation and/or use their muscle if there is any damage or loss. The one occasion when I bought from a small dealer who didn't have freight contract I used a freight forwarding service. It was very expensive, but they have a good tracking system don't argue over insurance issues. You can also insure for a higher value than the customs declared amount - wink, wink, nod, nod. Tony D |
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On Nov 20, 1:35*pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: UPS did ruin an acrylic bird cage once. Even though there was a clear boot print on the side, they said my packaging was deficient. According to a UPS guy I spoke with, to be "properly" packed, a package has to be able to withstand being pushed off the conveyor belt and landing on the floor, several times. When I've had "critical" stuff to pack, I've paid UPS to do it for me (which, a few years back, was not terribly expensive). I had no trouble with those. do you have to go to a real UPS depot or do all the "UPS Stores" that do UPS shipping qualify? D |
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, Tony Done wrote: On Nov 20, 4:41*am, Rick Ruskin wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. *It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. *In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. * I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. *That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. *She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. *(The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. *What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. *As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin I'm nervous about using parcel services, especially the way they leave things on the doorstep, but I haven't had a problem so far. For fragile stuff like guitars, I always get the driver to look over the outside of the package with me before he leaves. I assume that if I buy a guitar from somewhere like Elderly Instruments, they will protect their reputation and/or use their muscle if there is any damage or loss. The one occasion when I bought from a small dealer who didn't have freight contract I used a freight forwarding service. It was very expensive, but they have a good tracking system don't argue over insurance issues. You can also insure for a higher value than the customs declared amount - wink, wink, nod, nod. Tony D I have a sign on my front door "PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE PACKAGES ON THE DOORSTEP" So far it has worked. Of course it does mean that you have to pick up the goods from their depot. MJRB |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... On 11/19/2010 8:46 PM, Bill Graham wrote: About thirty years ago, I ordered two pair of down filled mittens with leather palms through L.L. Bean (IIRC) They never came. So, I put a tracer on them, and they were sent by UPS. About two weeks later, I got this letter in the mail that had the shipping paperwork in it, and the driver had scribbled on the slip, "Put in bricks on front porch". I still get a newspaper delivered to my house and every now and then I have to hunt for it. If I don't find it, I'll call and get another one delivered, then I might find the original one a couple of weeks later. Yeah, its amazing how many places there are to hide a newspaper within 30 feet of your front door, isn't it? And newspaper delivery people seem to know all of them, for every house on their route...:^) |
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It's amazing how many places there are to hide
a newspaper within 30 feet of your front door, isn't it? And newspaper delivery people seem to know all of them, for every house on their route..:^) "It's hard to hit the porch from a horse..." -- Ben Franklin to Thomas Jefferson |
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"Geezer51" wrote in message ... FEDEX just delivered a VAOM-04 to my door about a half hour ago. Not even a dent on the box! I haven't used UPS for years because of what they did to a guitar that I'd bought... and refused to honor their responsibility for the broken neck. The jury's still out on USPS. I shipped my son a package for his birthday via Priority Mail...shipped it two days before his birthday...took FIVE days to get to MO from RI! Geezer Speaking of wrecked guitars, have you seen the, "United breaks guitars" clip on utube? go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo |
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On Nov 20, 3:22*pm, Dar wrote:
On Nov 20, 1:35*pm, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: UPS did ruin an acrylic bird cage once. Even though there was a clear boot print on the side, they said my packaging was deficient. According to a UPS guy I spoke with, to be "properly" packed, a package has to be able to withstand being pushed off the conveyor belt and landing on the floor, several times. When I've had "critical" stuff to pack, I've paid UPS to do it for me (which, a few years back, was not terribly expensive). I had no trouble with those. do you have to go to a real UPS *depot or *do all the "UPS Stores" *that do UPS shipping qualify? D Moot point. I just spent an hour and a half packing up a delicate wire sculpture in the 30" cube. I made internal cross braces in 'all 3 directions ' (6, I guess, actually) made from 1" pvc pipe , held in place by cardboard and styrofoam receptacles glued to the box sides, and 2" styrofoam corner braces .Nobody in the world at any UPS joint would do that extensive a job . I hope the people who get it have to spend at least an hour taking it out of the box (^8 D |
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On 11/20/2010 5:22 PM, Dar wrote:
do you have to go to a real UPS depot or do all the "UPS Stores" that do UPS shipping qualify? The UPS Store (tm) is owned by UPS. Whether or not they guarantee safe arrival (or their packing makes it easier to collect for damage) is doubtful. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On 11/20/2010 5:16 PM, Tony Done wrote:
I'm nervous about using parcel services, especially the way they leave things on the doorstep, but I haven't had a problem so far.For fragile stuff like guitars, I always get the driver to look over the outside of the package with me before he leaves. The FedEx driver always rings the doorbell whether he needs a signature or not. The UPS driver never rings the doorbell unless he needs a signature. I've had both left on my porch for upwards of a week when I've been out of town and they've been safe, but I guess I live in a pretty safe neighborhood and my porch isn't visible from the street. And they always leave packages well under the overhang so they don't get rained on. Fortunately, everything I have shipped here (and there really isn't all that much) is in nondescript cartons that don't look like guitars. The only thing that I ever received damaged was a consignment shipment of a 50 pound tape deck that was packed and shipped by the seller, not the shop that brokered the deal. It was incredibly poorly packed, circuit boards inside were cracked, and motor mounts were broken. When I contacted the broker about it and asked what to do, he canceled the credit card charge, sent me a UPS call tag and just told me to send it back to the sender. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On Nov 19, 12:41*pm, Rick Ruskin wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. *It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. *In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. * I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. *That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. *She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. *(The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. *What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. *As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin I think it might vary depending where you live. Talking only about my experience *receiving* shipped items, here in Lincoln, NE, UPS breaks a little more than half the things shipped here (and always blames the shipper's packaging), Fed Ex breaks some things and the USPS packages always fare the best. None of this is hyperbole. I will pay more when receiving things for the shipper to avoid UPS and I never, ever use them when I am sending things. I guess our local delivery company for Fed Ex ground has some pride in their work while the UPS guys have unresolved issues from childhood or birth trauma. |
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darrelld wrote:
On Nov 19, 12:41 pm, Rick Ruskin wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin I think it might vary depending where you live. Talking only about my experience *receiving* shipped items, here in Lincoln, NE, UPS breaks a little more than half the things shipped here (and always blames the shipper's packaging), Fed Ex breaks some things and the USPS packages always fare the best. None of this is hyperbole. I will pay more when receiving things for the shipper to avoid UPS and I never, ever use them when I am sending things. I guess our local delivery company for Fed Ex ground has some pride in their work while the UPS guys have unresolved issues from childhood or birth trauma. Maybe their fathers liked to throw them in the air and catch them when they were babies....:^) |
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:06:03 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote: darrelld wrote: On Nov 19, 12:41 pm, Rick Ruskin wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin I think it might vary depending where you live. Talking only about my experience *receiving* shipped items, here in Lincoln, NE, UPS breaks a little more than half the things shipped here (and always blames the shipper's packaging), Fed Ex breaks some things and the USPS packages always fare the best. None of this is hyperbole. I will pay more when receiving things for the shipper to avoid UPS and I never, ever use them when I am sending things. I guess our local delivery company for Fed Ex ground has some pride in their work while the UPS guys have unresolved issues from childhood or birth trauma. Maybe their fathers liked to throw them in the air and catch them when they were babies....:^) Or not catch them, perhaps? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin |
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On Nov 21, 8:30*pm, Rick Ruskin wrote:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 17:06:03 -0800, "Bill Graham" wrote: darrelld wrote: On Nov 19, 12:41 pm, Rick Ruskin wrote: As far as I'm concerned, FedEX service sucks. A package of audio gear was slated to arrive at my door 2 days ago. I was home all that day and when it hadn't arrived by 5:00PM, I checked its status online to find that FedEX had it marked as "delivered" at 4:05PM. It obviously had been delivered somewhere but not to the proper address. 6 calls to Customer Service later, they still did not know the whereabouts of my stuff. In addition, I was given a different story with each conversation as to how long a trace would take, when a claim could be filed, or whether or not the driver responsible was even aware of the problem. I was finally given the name of the trace agent in charge of the situation who would contact me by the end of the business day yesterday. That call never came. In the meantime, a woman knocks on my door late yesterday afternoon, hands me my package, and informs me that it went to her address by mistake. She also states that she called FedEx immediately after finding it on her doorstep and would redirect it herself the next day. Whoever she spoke with never passed that info on to either me, the shipper, or anyone inside of FedEx. (The tracking department knew nothing of this until I called them this morning). It's somewhat understandable that delivery mistakes can happen, especially here in Seattle where the street system is pretty eccentric. What's not understandable is how a company like FedEx can drop the ball as many times/as badly as they did and the inconsistency of their communication both within the company and to their customers. As a shipper, I will never use them. As a purchaser, I will request any other carrier. Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin I think it might vary depending where you live. Talking only about my experience *receiving* shipped items, here in Lincoln, NE, UPS breaks a little more than half the things shipped here (and always blames the shipper's packaging), Fed Ex breaks some things and the USPS packages always fare the best. None of this is hyperbole. I will pay more when receiving things for the shipper to avoid UPS and I never, ever use them when I am sending things. I guess our local delivery company for Fed Ex ground has some pride in their work while the UPS guys have unresolved issues from childhood or birth trauma. Maybe their fathers liked to throw them in the air and catch them when they were babies....:^) Or not catch them, perhaps? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah I thought of that , but the fun is over with pretty quickly using that method . No, I never had kids , and they will thank me for it someday. D |
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FedEx's customer service is basically oriented around their tracking system,
and when a package isn't in the tracking system, they get all confused and don't know what to do. If you think this is bad, though, UPS is even worse. *FedEx loses things and they break things, but they pay on the insurance when they do. *UPS has to be taken to court to get them to pay. I totally agree with Scott here. I used to use UPS until they destroyed and lost a vintage amp that I was shipping. I started using Fedex about 6 years and for the most part, I've been very happy with them. They do pay on the insurance, whereas you have to fight with UPS. Also, at the time I switched, Fedex ground was about 30% cheaper to ship for the same package. The pricing schedule may have become more competitive - I don't know because I haven't used UPS since then. Fedex invested in their online system and it is very easy to use. I can prepare a package and just drop it off at the Fedex place. Every shipping company will break packages if you don't package them correcly - it's the nature of the business. You've got to pad everything and double-box it. If you don't do that, then fragile contents will get broken. Mike C. |
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Every shipping company will break packages if you don't
package them correcly - it's the nature of the business. You've got to pad everything and double-box it. If you don't do that, then fragile contents will get broken. Several years ago I sold my Nakamichi Dragon. It had been purchased in 1992, and safely shipped via UPS in its sales carton -- nothing else. This time, UPS absolutely, positively refused to accept it unless it was double-boxed. I'd agreed to pick up the shipping charges, and this greatly increased them. |
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