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No connection to them. Just an FYI. www.cablecoiler.com


Eric

[Don Pearce]

On 7 Mar 2007 02:32:31 -0800, wrote:

No connection to them. Just an FYI. www.cablecoiler.com


Eric

This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has no
twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine to
uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is where the
twist inevitably happens.. Cables should be coiled by hand in a
figure-8 pattern. This ensures no net twist either going onto or off
the coil.

And of course this thing had a working battery. How long is that going
to be the case?

d

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Don Pearce wrote:
This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has no
twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine to
uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is where the
twist inevitably happens.. Cables should be coiled by hand in a
figure-8 pattern. This ensures no net twist either going onto or off
the coil.


Agreed. It also looks to me like you need to have the cable laid out all
nice and neat before you coil it. What happens if you have a bit of a
tangle in the middle of the cable. When coiling by hand you can easily
stop and work the tangle out, quickly. I can't imagine this device would
save any time in the end.

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[Mike Rivers]

On Mar 7, 5:43 am, (Don Pearce) wrote:

This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has no
twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine to
uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is where the
twist inevitably happens.

You just have to be careful with your cables. I used to coil cables
"over and under" but I found that too often someone else would uncoil
them and get a string of knots. So now I tend to coil them "round" and
uncoil them the same way. It's not hard once you get the hang of it.

I think that auto-winder is a pretty cool idea, actually, but I, too,
would wonder about the battery life. And if you're working a large
show with 50 or more cables to pack up, the crew would be fighting
over who gets to play with the neat toy.

[Richard Crowley]

"Mike Rivers" wrote ...
(Don Pearce) wrote:

This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has no
twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine to
uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is where
the
twist inevitably happens.

You just have to be careful with your cables. I used to coil cables
"over and under" but I found that too often someone else would uncoil
them and get a string of knots. So now I tend to coil them "round" and
uncoil them the same way. It's not hard once you get the hang of it.

I think that auto-winder is a pretty cool idea, actually, but I, too,
would wonder about the battery life. And if you're working a large
show with 50 or more cables to pack up, the crew would be fighting
over who gets to play with the neat toy.

I use those orange plastic reels they sell for power extension
cords. I roll the mic cables up on them (plugged end-to-end)
and store them on the reels. Then when I set up, I just pull
as much cable off the reel as needed, unplug, and I'm done.
No twisting, no batteries, no cable ties, etc. About $5 each.
Each reel stores up to 500ft of cable depending on how many
connectors and the diameter of the cable.

[Jay Levitt]

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:43:49 GMT, Don Pearce wrote:

This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has no
twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine to
uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is where the
twist inevitably happens.. Cables should be coiled by hand in a
figure-8 pattern. This ensures no net twist either going onto or off
the coil.

Are you sure there's a difference? I came across that same site the other
day and was thinking of getting one to play with. Figure-8 coiling gives
you no net twist, as you say... but I'm thinking if you uncoil a cable that
has no twist at all, it lays with no twist. No?

Jay

[Richard Crowley]

"Jay Levitt" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:43:49 GMT, Don Pearce wrote:

This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has no
twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine to
uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is where the
twist inevitably happens.. Cables should be coiled by hand in a
figure-8 pattern. This ensures no net twist either going onto or off
the coil.

Are you sure there's a difference? I came across that same site the other
day and was thinking of getting one to play with. Figure-8 coiling gives
you no net twist, as you say... but I'm thinking if you uncoil a cable
that
has no twist at all, it lays with no twist. No?

Depends on how you "uncoil" it. If you "unroll" it, you are
correct that you end up with no twist. But I've never seen
anyone do this with a roll of cable that wasn't on a spool.
It is not a natural way to handle cable by hand.

OTOH most (all) people I've observed tend to feed the cable
off the "side" because it is easy and intuitive. That will give
you one twist per loop unless it was stored over/under.

[hank alrich]

Jay Levitt wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has no
twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine to
uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is where the
twist inevitably happens.. Cables should be coiled by hand in a
figure-8 pattern. This ensures no net twist either going onto or off
the coil.

Are you sure there's a difference? I came across that same site the other
day and was thinking of getting one to play with. Figure-8 coiling gives
you no net twist, as you say... but I'm thinking if you uncoil a cable that
has no twist at all, it lays with no twist. No?

Jay

Only if you uncoil it the way it was coiled. In the case of this device
the plan is to coil it on the unit then remove it. When you next uncoil
it you will induce the twist. Storing cables on a reel is different than
this approach, and works fine.

The over/under approach effectively uses the fig-8 concept.

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ha
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On 2007-03-07 said:
"Mike Rivers" wrote ...
I think that auto-winder is a pretty cool idea, actually, but I,
too, would wonder about the battery life. And if you're working a
large show with 50 or more cables to pack up, the crew would be
fighting over who gets to play with the neat toy.
I use those orange plastic reels they sell for power extension
cords. I roll the mic cables up on them (plugged end-to-end)
and store them on the reels. Then when I set up, I just pull
as much cable off the reel as needed, unplug, and I'm done.
No twisting, no batteries, no cable ties, etc. About $5 each.
Each reel stores up to 500ft of cable depending on how many
connectors and the diameter of the cable.
NO batteries is great, simple to operate. I've always liked
that solution myself. IT just don't work with cables with
connectors that don't mate such as xlr.

I've been known to buy one of those big hose reels on wheels
for a snake too. KEeps everything neat.

WHy have I rented more multicores from rental places where
it was just thrown at me in a big mess? tHose hose reels
are so much neater, no having to worry about a trunk, and no
mess of multicore all in knots. i've rented more snakes
that were abused by rental clients from rental houses, get
out to the gig and find channels that don't work etc.

Last time I rented for a show in NEw ORleans from one of the
big players down there they threw me a 16 channel with 4
returns snake, all in just a medusan mass. wHen I got it
there three channels didn't work. I made a note of it and
tied it with a wire tie to the snake when I gave it back. I
also told 'em one channel on the souncraft desk didn't pass
audio, which they were never told before.
AT least the mixer was nicely packed in a road case, unlike
the multicore.



Richard webb,
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[Geoff]

hank alrich wrote:
Jay Levitt wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

This is bad news for cables. When you coil a cable this way it has
no twist - they are right. But you don't put it back on the machine
to uncoil it, you take off the tie and stretch it out - that is
where the twist inevitably happens.. Cables should be coiled by
hand in a figure-8 pattern. This ensures no net twist either going
onto or off the coil.

Are you sure there's a difference? I came across that same site the
other day and was thinking of getting one to play with. Figure-8
coiling gives you no net twist, as you say... but I'm thinking if
you uncoil a cable that has no twist at all, it lays with no twist.
No?

Jay

Only if you uncoil it the way it was coiled. In the case of this
device the plan is to coil it on the unit then remove it. When you
next uncoil it you will induce the twist. Storing cables on a reel is
different than this approach, and works fine.

The over/under approach effectively uses the fig-8 concept.

Here's an artical

http://www.soundinstitute.com/article_detail.cfm/ID/93

geoff