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Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an
integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris |
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Edward R Morris wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? A Google search on the phrase "CD recorder" brings up a bunch. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Edward R Morris wrote:
Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris There are dozens: try googling "CD Recorder". However they often require "Audio CD-R" blanks that cost a premium, and you only get one shot at level-setting, and cannot change it afterwards. Also you forgo the opportunity to put track markers where you want after consideration, and cannot do any de-clicking etc. Computer route is far better in most instances. geoff |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:30:39 -0600, Edward R Morris wrote:
Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Does anybody know how to do a websearch? |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:30:39 -0600, "Edward R Morris"
wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? There certainly are such critters, even now in the era of dead-cheap PC burn-everything drives, but there's an issue with available media. It's getting more and more difficult to buy blank media that works optimally with "1X" "real-time" writing. Seems there're engineering compromises and balances between writing at lower and at higher speed. Everybody wants to write at higher speed these days; go figure. But it means that optimal real-time media is harder to find. Not impossible, but you'll have to look. All good fortune, Chris Hornbeck "There's little that's impossible, but it becomes more complicated if you move between different systems." - Mike Rivers, in another context |
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Chris Hornbeck wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? There certainly are such critters, even now in the era of dead-cheap PC burn-everything drives, but there's an issue with available media. It's getting more and more difficult to buy blank media that works optimally with "1X" "real-time" writing. Seems there're engineering compromises and balances between writing at lower and at higher speed. Everybody wants to write at higher speed these days; go figure. But it means that optimal real-time media is harder to find. Not impossible, but you'll have to look. HHB seems to specialize in offering media which are specifically intended for good results at low burning speeds. I believe that some of the product lines by MAM (Mitsui Audio Media) are also optimized for lower-speed burning. They aren't cheap (one vendor sells the 80-minute inkjet-printable HHB variety for around $1 each in 100-disc quantities). But, if you're going to spend close to an hour per CD when recording in real-time, it might not be a bad idea to stick with quality media known to be compatible with this sort of equipment. Having to do-over because of a bad burn would be seriously irritating! -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Thank you Chris. It seems that AZ Nomad hasn't tried googling when he
doesn't even know what to Google for. Chris, thanks for guiding me in the right direction. Eddie "Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:30:39 -0600, "Edward R Morris" wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? There certainly are such critters, even now in the era of dead-cheap PC burn-everything drives, but there's an issue with available media. It's getting more and more difficult to buy blank media that works optimally with "1X" "real-time" writing. Seems there're engineering compromises and balances between writing at lower and at higher speed. Everybody wants to write at higher speed these days; go figure. But it means that optimal real-time media is harder to find. Not impossible, but you'll have to look. All good fortune, Chris Hornbeck "There's little that's impossible, but it becomes more complicated if you move between different systems." - Mike Rivers, in another context |
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Hey AZ Nomad. Thanks smartass.
Eddie "AZ Nomad" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:30:39 -0600, Edward R Morris wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Does anybody know how to do a websearch? |
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"Edward R Morris" wrote in message
Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Yes, they are called stand-alone audio CD recorders. They come in two styles: consumer, which requires special CD-R blanks that have had a royalty paid on them professional, which use the same CD-R blanks as computers Consumer audio CD burners have pretty well dropped from the marketplace. I've used such devices made by Sony, HHB, and Tascam. I prefer the Tascam burners, because they finalize about twice as fast. That all said, I'd never use one to transcribe a LP. Computers are easier to use, and more flexible. |
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Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris Walmart. |
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"GregS" wrote in message ... In article , (GregS) wrote: In article , "Edward R Morris" wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris Walmart. While I have seen mnay DVD recorders, they might not have CD capability. I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Some DVD recorders have built in editing and hard disk. The editing is IME pretty crude, and slow. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "GregS" wrote in message ... In article , (GregS) wrote: In article , "Edward R Morris" wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris Walmart. While I have seen mnay DVD recorders, they might not have CD capability. I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. Also, dual-use CD-R media is becoming common. Mark Z. |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "GregS" wrote in message ... In article , (GregS) wrote: In article , "Edward R Morris" wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris Walmart. While I have seen mnay DVD recorders, they might not have CD capability. I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. Good point. Also, dual-use CD-R media is becoming common. Meaning exactly what? |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. What is possible, and what is actually available because there is a (perceived) market for it, are often two different things though. MrT. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "GregS" wrote in message ... In article , (GregS) wrote: In article , "Edward R Morris" wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris Walmart. While I have seen mnay DVD recorders, they might not have CD capability. I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. Good point. Also, dual-use CD-R media is becoming common. Meaning exactly what? Meaning that I can buy compatible audio/data cd-r media at Walmart (or elsewhere) for little to no additional cost. Instead of stating "Audio" or "Data" on the package, it says instead "Dual-Use". Mark Z. |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "GregS" wrote in message ... In article , (GregS) wrote: In article , "Edward R Morris" wrote: Does anyone know a cd burner that can be attached to the tape outputs of an integrated amplifier so one doesn't have to use a computer to copy LP to CD? Thanks for any info, Edward Morris Walmart. While I have seen mnay DVD recorders, they might not have CD capability. I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. Good point. Also, dual-use CD-R media is becoming common. Meaning exactly what? Meaning that I can buy compatible audio/data cd-r media at Walmart (or elsewhere) for little to no additional cost. Instead of stating "Audio" or "Data" on the package, it says instead "Dual-Use". Oh yes. I've used audio CDs for recording data and it always works. I had to educate my children that data CDs worked for music in their PCs. One actually bought me a pack as a Christmas present. The price premium isn't that bad any more. |
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. Furhtermore, a lot of stand-alone DVD recorders are essentially special-purpose computers and do use computer-style DVD drives, right down to the IDE interface. What is possible, and what is actually available because there is a (perceived) market for it, are often two different things though. Agreed. At this point, the only difference would be a small change to the software for the DVD recorder's little computer. |
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Arny Krueger wrote: Also, dual-use CD-R media is becoming common. Meaning exactly what? Meaning that I can buy compatible audio/data cd-r media at Walmart (or elsewhere) for little to no additional cost. Instead of stating "Audio" or "Data" on the package, it says instead "Dual-Use". Oh yes. I've used audio CDs for recording data and it always works. I had to educate my children that data CDs worked for music in their PCs. One actually bought me a pack as a Christmas present. The price premium isn't that bad any more. Sure. The primary technical difference between "consumer audio digital recording media", and generic CD-R discs, is a small bit of data encoded into the premastering area. Audio discs have a type code of "unrestricted use", while generic data CDs have a type code of "restricted use, general purpose". Consumer-audio audio CD recorders check the media code in the ATIP data, and won't burn to a "restricted use" disc. I've never seen a computer CD-R burner which cared about the difference (although almost all can read out the ATIP data on software command). There need not be (and often aren't) any other physical or technical differences between the two types of discs. In some cases (I don't know how many) the consumer-audio discs may be optimized for burning at lower speeds, using thicker longer-laser- exposure dyes. In most cases, though, I believe that they're made with the same sorts of dyes, on the same equipment, as generic data CDs - only the ATIP data molded into the pregroove wobble on the stamper is different. The price differential doesn't need to be high... the AHRA royalty rate on digital audio recording media is 3% of the transfer price (think "wholesale"). The retail difference is usually much higher, but this has a lot more to do with marketing and distribution issues (and "what the traffic will bear") than it does with the legal obligation to pay royalty. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Dave Platt wrote:
The price differential doesn't need to be high... the AHRA royalty rate on digital audio recording media is 3% of the transfer price (think "wholesale"). The retail difference is usually much higher, but this has a lot more to do with marketing and distribution issues (and "what the traffic will bear") than it does with the legal obligation to pay royalty. Which is, as always, totally whacky cos stand-alone CD Recorders are almost unversally used to record private stuff, and computer drives do near all of the copyright-protected copying ! goff |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. Furhtermore, a lot of stand-alone DVD recorders are essentially special-purpose computers and do use computer-style DVD drives, right down to the IDE interface. What is possible, and what is actually available because there is a (perceived) market for it, are often two different things though. Agreed. At this point, the only difference would be a small change to the software for the DVD recorder's little computer. Agreed, but I still don't know of any, do you? (not that I would ever use, or even suggest such a device for transcribing vinyl myself) MrT. |
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message
u "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. I know of no DVD recorders that record audio on an audio CD. Obviously computer drives do, so standalones are a possibility. Furhtermore, a lot of stand-alone DVD recorders are essentially special-purpose computers and do use computer-style DVD drives, right down to the IDE interface. What is possible, and what is actually available because there is a (perceived) market for it, are often two different things though. Agreed. At this point, the only difference would be a small change to the software for the DVD recorder's little computer. Agreed, but I still don't know of any, do you? No, and the absence of a CD burning feature is almost a mystery. I personally think that the bizarre way that the burning of audio CDs is legally licensed has something to do with it. (not that I would ever use, or even suggest such a device for transcribing vinyl myself) Agreed. Looking back at recent history, the people who promoted PCs and the Internet have been able to grant themselves amazing freedom from legal constaints, such as the ability to do retail sales without collection state sales tax. Their other freedom has been the ability to characterize audio and video production equipment that easily circumvents IP rights as being "professional" and therefore exempt. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
Looking back at recent history, the people who promoted PCs and the Internet have been able to grant themselves amazing freedom from legal constaints, such as the ability to do retail sales without collection state sales tax. Not really. Interstate sales (via telephone, snail-mail, etc.) were not subject to state sales tax either. The internet did nothing to change that except add a new form of contact. The tax-n-spend politicians were the ones pushing for an "internet tax" just because it was a new source of draining more revenue from the populous, not because they were actually adding any value to society. What you refer to as "amazing freedoms" were called "inalienable rights" in the Constitution. I think we have a serious problem remembering what that means these days. |
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