Hi

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?
:
Linux agnula
Ardour +
Delta 1010 or RME Hammerfall
soundcraft...
Fostex D 80
etc...
regards

In article writes:

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?

Only for the serious Linux fanatic who'd rather build his own
operating system from a kit and keep adding to it weekly than buy a
Microsoft or Apple product. But then, aren't all Linux users like
that?

When will you have time to do any recording, or make any music?

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Mike Rivers a écrit :
In article writes:


I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?


Only for the serious Linux fanatic who'd rather build his own
operating system from a kit and keep adding to it weekly than buy a
Microsoft or Apple product. But then, aren't all Linux users like
that?

When will you have time to do any recording, or make any music?

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Hi
I was talking about Agnula Demudi: ready for music.

My idea: dual boot winXp /linux
soundcard: Delta audio 1010 rack 19"

- Hard disk 1: Win Xp pro + M.Powered Pro Tools (I noticed a pb of
latency with new drivers for Delta soundcards...)
- Hard disk 2: Linux agnula demudi + ardour :-)

regards
:-)

In article ,
perso wrote:

I was talking about Agnula Demudi: ready for music.

Mike has my deep respect, but with all due respect, I'm sure he's
never tried that.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 05:05:43 +0000, james wrote:

In article ,
perso wrote:

I was talking about Agnula Demudi: ready for music.

Mike has my deep respect, but with all due respect, I'm sure he's
never tried that.

Possibly one out of a hundred comments on Linux audio here come from
people who have actually used any of the software.

It's interesting that if I were to post a comment on pro-tools here,
starting with "Well, I've never actually used pro-tools, but here are my
impressions", it would be laughed at.
To do the same with Linux/Ardour is acceptable for some reason.

The idea that a certain operation might actually be faster or more
pleasant in Ardour than $BELOVED_DAW is complete anathema. The way Jack
works to interconnect applications is incomprehensible as there is no
real equivalent on other operating systems to compare it to.

Many people have not gone through the nightmare of recovering ten year old
projects made with proprietary software, so the benefits of open file
formats and storing session data as human readable XML files mean nothing
to them. Yet.

Still, some of the criticism is valid even without direct familiarity with
the software. One thing stands out for me: that if there was a system
with Linux and Ardour that really was free, trivial to install, and
supported a wide range of audio cards then we would see a lot less
uninformed comments. Though not necessarily any glowing reviews either.

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article
writes:

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?

Only for the serious Linux fanatic who'd rather build his own
operating system from a kit and keep adding to it weekly than buy a
Microsoft or Apple product. But then, aren't all Linux users like
that?


It's not that bad. If you're building a dedicated workstation, and want to
have as much of your system's resources as possible dedicated to audio, the
only platform that you can truly do that with is Linux. You can boot
straight to the GUI of your audio software, and don't need to run all the
crap that Windows and Mac crowbar into the OS. A lot of people like to mess
around with updates daily or weekly because it's a learning process for them
and they have software that isn't finished. It's not necessary, though. If
one wanted to build a machine that could, say, replace a multitrack device,
you only need to do it once - if, and only if, your chosen software works.

jb





When will you have time to do any recording, or make any music?

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reddred a écrit :
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article

writes:

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?

Only for the serious Linux fanatic who'd rather build his own
operating system from a kit and keep adding to it weekly than buy a
Microsoft or Apple product. But then, aren't all Linux users like
that?



It's not that bad. If you're building a dedicated workstation, and want to
have as much of your system's resources as possible dedicated to audio, the
only platform that you can truly do that with is Linux. You can boot
straight to the GUI of your audio software, and don't need to run all the
crap that Windows and Mac crowbar into the OS. A lot of people like to mess
around with updates daily or weekly because it's a learning process for them
and they have software that isn't finished. It's not necessary, though. If
one wanted to build a machine that could, say, replace a multitrack device,
you only need to do it once - if, and only if, your chosen software works.

jb






When will you have time to do any recording, or make any music?

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ok

In article writes:

It's not that bad. If you're building a dedicated workstation, and want to
have as much of your system's resources as possible dedicated to audio, the
only platform that you can truly do that with is Linux. You can boot
straight to the GUI of your audio software, and don't need to run all the
crap that Windows and Mac crowbar into the OS.

Commendable, but how many people who ask on an audio newsgroup if
Linux is a reasonable platform are really savvy enough to build a
dedicated audio workstation? I'm not saying it can't be done, just not
advisable for anyone who still needs advice. Here, we're better
equipped to advise someone who already has a solid Linux based audio
workstation running what would be good peripheral hardware.

A lot of people like to mess
around with updates daily or weekly because it's a learning process for them
and they have software that isn't finished.

Isn't Ardour still in that phase? I suppose, though, that at any time
now, a user could declare it "finished" and just use it. That's kind
of the sense I get from reading their web page recently. But not many
people have the discipline to not update their system whenever
something new comes along. It's one thing (Microsoft notwithstanding,
sometimes) when the update comes from a major manufacturer with
thorough testing behind it, but with an open development environment,
it's hard to tell when an update is stable, or even worth while,
without each user spending some time with it.

If
one wanted to build a machine that could, say, replace a multitrack device,
you only need to do it once - if, and only if, your chosen software works.

Well, TASCAM did it, Mackie did it, Fostex did it, Alesis did it.
Where are those machines today? It's a great concept. I thing that my
Mackie HDR is a big step up from my 2" analog recorder both in sound
and reliability, plus there are some things that I can do easily with
the Mackie that are difficult or impossible with the Ampex.
Fortunately I don't need to do those those tricks often with the
projects that I have, but they're available if I need them.

Still, the market seems to be strongly bent toward general purpose
computers configured as full blown audio workstations. Cost and
availability seem to be the major forces. There's still room for
pioneers and experimenters, but it takes a fair amount of time to keep
up with the technology, and that takes time away from the presumed
goal of audio production.


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In article
writes:

It's not that bad. If you're building a dedicated workstation, and want
to
have as much of your system's resources as possible dedicated to audio,
the
only platform that you can truly do that with is Linux. You can boot
straight to the GUI of your audio software, and don't need to run all
the
crap that Windows and Mac crowbar into the OS.

Commendable, but how many people who ask on an audio newsgroup if
Linux is a reasonable platform are really savvy enough to build a
dedicated audio workstation? I'm not saying it can't be done, just not
advisable for anyone who still needs advice. Here, we're better
equipped to advise someone who already has a solid Linux based audio
workstation running what would be good peripheral hardware.


I don't disagree. If the question is something akin to 'Is Linux ready for a
professional audio production environment?' I'd generally say 'No'. It's the
potential that intrigues me, and pretty soon, I think there will be select
applications that a Linux box is suitable for, at least comparable if not
better than the 'competition'. The only application that I can recommend
Linux for now is advanced sound synthesis, and there isn't much of a demand
for that.

Frankly, I feel that newbies are better off starting out with a little
standalone, and spending time getting fundamentals. But everybody wants to
use thier PC.

A lot of people like to mess
around with updates daily or weekly because it's a learning process for
them
and they have software that isn't finished.

Isn't Ardour still in that phase?

It's been 'almost out of beta' for a very long time.

I suppose, though, that at any time
now, a user could declare it "finished" and just use it. That's kind
of the sense I get from reading their web page recently. But not many
people have the discipline to not update their system whenever
something new comes along. It's one thing (Microsoft notwithstanding,
sometimes) when the update comes from a major manufacturer with
thorough testing behind it, but with an open development environment,
it's hard to tell when an update is stable, or even worth while,
without each user spending some time with it.


Too true. Across the board, I advise people to build a system and leave it
alone, except for antivirus updates etc., unless there is a real problem, or
they are going to do a complete overhaul and start from scratch. I think
this applies to Windows boxes too.

Not to mention, any computing device which has a limited function set is by
nature 'better' at what it does, and any maintenance or repair that needs to
happen is easier.


If
one wanted to build a machine that could, say, replace a multitrack
device,
you only need to do it once - if, and only if, your chosen software
works.

Well, TASCAM did it, Mackie did it, Fostex did it, Alesis did it.
Where are those machines today? It's a great concept. I thing that my
Mackie HDR is a big step up from my 2" analog recorder both in sound
and reliability, plus there are some things that I can do easily with
the Mackie that are difficult or impossible with the Ampex.
Fortunately I don't need to do those those tricks often with the
projects that I have, but they're available if I need them.


I think a lot of people new to recording want a PC DAW because it's a hot
rod. It's more about the PC than it is about audio, and they often know how
to build a PC and want to use their skills. They've also been told it's
cheaper. I'm not sure that it's very much cheaper.

On the other hand, I built my second PC DAW as a 24 channel multitrack that
also had a MIDI sequencer, but because of it's software capabilites, and a
cheap motherboard upgrade, I often mix in the DAW too (I've never tested
it's track count, but I typically use between 30 and 40). So even if it's
not cheaper in outlay, there is an increased capability. The tradeoff is in
the poor interface.

Still, the market seems to be strongly bent toward general purpose
computers configured as full blown audio workstations. Cost and
availability seem to be the major forces. There's still room for
pioneers and experimenters, but it takes a fair amount of time to keep
up with the technology, and that takes time away from the presumed
goal of audio production.


Which is why I like the little 300 dollar eight tracks. Anyone new to
recording can get one of those, a couple of mics and get started the day he
takes it out of the box. Sooner or later this myth of 'I can build a PC and
make a production quality record tomorrow' will have to fizzle out, just
like the thing about putting your business on the net and becoming rich
overnight. The more people experience the reality, the more the word will
spread.

jb

In article writes:

It's the
potential that intrigues me, and pretty soon, I think there will be select
applications that a Linux box is suitable for, at least comparable if not
better than the 'competition'.

Maybe that's what your crystal balls says. Mine says it won't happen
very soon. There are several reasons:

1. Linux applications, no matter how good, are of no use without
computers running Linux.

2. There aren't many computers running Linux, and most that are are
either in network/server applications or are fodder for
experimenters. There's no good reason for the "common user" to run
Linux when the computer that he buys at the department store
already has an operating system installed that will run hundreds of
audio applications, productivity tools, and games.

3. Without a strong OS support, only experimenters have the incentive
to develop special purpose applications, and they don't know when
they're finished. There's no potential for a commercial developer
here because Linux people aren't accustomed to paying for their
software (at least partly because they're part of the developoment
team.

Digidesign, Steinberg, Magix, and Cakewalk may decide to port their
flagship products to Linux some day, but not until they can make money
at it. I doubt that your typical Linux user would be willing to pay,
say $5,000 for a copy of Nuendo, just to avoid using Windows.


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In article ,
reddred wrote:

I'm not sure that it's very much cheaper.

I'm sure it's not cheaper.

I'm not going to address the end of the spectrum that uses a pirated
version of Cubase, because that doesn't even count.

But, even the typical setup, with a Behringer mixer, an 8 channel sound
card, a midi controller, and a P4, still costs more than an 8 track
digital recorder would cost.

But, I'm not trying to be a "studio producer", I'm a musician. In my
world, the computer is a musical instrument which happens, as a
side-effect, to be a very good recorder. And for a musician, I believe
it does turn out to be much cheaper, with much more economy of space, to
use the DAW as a musical instrument. I still have a rack of hardware
synths and three keyboards on my rig plus my piano, but I could do quite
a bit with just a controller and the PC.

It's expensive, by hobbyist standards, and some aspects are a great deal
of work.

For somebody who is recording vocals and mic'd or DI instruments, it is
almost certainly a better value to invest in one of the many multitrack
recorders out there. Those things are all 24bit, and some of them even
have decent preamps and fx. They don't have noisy fans, the whole thing
fits in a mixer rack case, and since it's purpose-built, it will "just
work".

The more people experience the reality, the more the word will
spread.

I suspect there's a different focus for a keyboard player these days,
since there is this crazy huge world of software synthesizers that makes
me go all Bob Ross about what a joy it is to be alive. But then, I'm a
*musician* and a *composer*, and my opinion on recording is, I need to
be able to record well enough to take my ideas to others, so that if I
create something worthwhile, we can go someplace like Mike's studio and
do it right, with the SSL, and the really nice room, and so on.

On the other other hand, some styles of music are quite well served with
the simple homebrew DAW. People are doing exactly this with success...
lots of people, making music that stands up to some pretty critical
evaluation. I have no delusions about quality, but I must say, the
quality of my recorder is such that I cannot blame my tools for being in
my way!

In article znr1117314028k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:

Commendable, but how many people who ask on an audio newsgroup if
Linux is a reasonable platform are really savvy enough to build a
dedicated audio workstation? I'm not saying it can't be done, just not
advisable for anyone who still needs advice.

Do you actually have any experience with Agnula and DeMudi? Because if
you don't, it's very much like someone giving advice about something
that they have no expertise in. You've got worlds of studio experience,
I realize fully, but does that qualify you to bash a system that you
don't use?

Mike Rivers wrote:

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?

Only for the serious Linux fanatic who'd rather build his own
operating system from a kit and keep adding to it weekly than buy a
Microsoft or Apple product. But then, aren't all Linux users like
that?

That reads very much like some kind of troll, but I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt.

Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you want, and what
your priorities are.
Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it
currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron.

What Linux will give you is a system that doesn't require activation
or monthly subscription fees to keep it going (which is what Microsoft
has been wanting to do for a long time).

If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

'You will plug me into the phone line NOW that I may commune with
Microsoft. If you fail to comply, Windows will be destroyed.
You have three earth days.'

And what are you going to do when Microsoft turns off the activation
server for XP? Preventing XP from being able to be installed ever
again is a truly fantastic way to 'persuade' people to upgrade to
Longhorn, or Blackcomb, or whatever the product of the day happens to
be at that point.
Your audio software might not even work on the new version, or it
might be so full to the hilt with DRM that it just can't be used for
audio work at all.

One of Microsoft's grand ideas is to rework the OS so that only
..NET bytecode programs can be run, and thus kept safely in line
through VM sandboxing.
Legacy applications will run inside an x86 VM based on VirtualPC,
which will let you run Doom or whatever, but the performance hit
will totally destroy a softsynth or DAW.

When will you have time to do any recording, or make any music?

The same can often be said of Windows, unfortunately.

However, you can customise the system to a far greater degree
than Windows. If you DO go the torturous route of building the
system up from scratch, you get to choose exactly what runs and when.
You can at a stroke abolish the Windows bugbear of some obscure and
hidden system process that decides to thrash the disk in the middle of a
take, draining the audio buffer and causing dropouts.

But you spoke only of Linux, Windows and the Mac. There is also
a fourth alternative which you have not mentioned, and that is ReactOS.
Sadly it is early days yet, but the promise is of a Windows-compatible
OS without the Sword-Of-Damocles that is Windows Product Activation.

It can be found he http://www.reactos.com

I say again, it is early days. It won't even run on my hardware yet.
But I eagerly await the day when it becomes feature-complete enough
to run Sonar. Then I can rid myself of Windows once and for all.

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J. P. Morris a écrit :
Mike Rivers wrote:


Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?

Only for the serious Linux fanatic who'd rather build his own
operating system from a kit and keep adding to it weekly than buy a
Microsoft or Apple product. But then, aren't all Linux users like
that?


That reads very much like some kind of troll, but I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt.

Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you want, and what
your priorities are.
Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it
currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron.

What Linux will give you is a system that doesn't require activation
or monthly subscription fees to keep it going (which is what Microsoft
has been wanting to do for a long time).

If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

'You will plug me into the phone line NOW that I may commune with
Microsoft. If you fail to comply, Windows will be destroyed.
You have three earth days.'

And what are you going to do when Microsoft turns off the activation
server for XP? Preventing XP from being able to be installed ever
again is a truly fantastic way to 'persuade' people to upgrade to
Longhorn, or Blackcomb, or whatever the product of the day happens to
be at that point.
Your audio software might not even work on the new version, or it
might be so full to the hilt with DRM that it just can't be used for
audio work at all.

One of Microsoft's grand ideas is to rework the OS so that only
.NET bytecode programs can be run, and thus kept safely in line
through VM sandboxing.
Legacy applications will run inside an x86 VM based on VirtualPC,
which will let you run Doom or whatever, but the performance hit
will totally destroy a softsynth or DAW.


When will you have time to do any recording, or make any music?


The same can often be said of Windows, unfortunately.

However, you can customise the system to a far greater degree
than Windows. If you DO go the torturous route of building the
system up from scratch, you get to choose exactly what runs and when.
You can at a stroke abolish the Windows bugbear of some obscure and
hidden system process that decides to thrash the disk in the middle of a
take, draining the audio buffer and causing dropouts.

But you spoke only of Linux, Windows and the Mac. There is also
a fourth alternative which you have not mentioned, and that is ReactOS.
Sadly it is early days yet, but the promise is of a Windows-compatible
OS without the Sword-Of-Damocles that is Windows Product Activation.

It can be found he http://www.reactos.com

I say again, it is early days. It won't even run on my hardware yet.
But I eagerly await the day when it becomes feature-complete enough
to run Sonar. Then I can rid myself of Windows once and for all.



LOL
(O)S tar) wars III started. "the Sword-Of-Damocles that is Windows
Product Activation "
;-))

windows xp is the worst os never made... I have xp pro and 2000 pro, I
prefer win2K no doubt !

J. P. Morris a écrit :
Then I can rid myself of Windows once and for all.

serious decision.

so, for a non professional project (sorry but i need profesionnals . of
vue), (semi pro) may i try Samplitude + RME soundcards, or pro tools
LE/digidesign systems .?

regards/

"J. P. Morris" wrote ...
Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you
want, and what your priorities are.
Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it
currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron.

And if you can't get it to work, you'll be relying on help from
people who think you are a moron. Good luck with that.

If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

No. You'll just need to find one that is still in production that
has working Linux drivers. Good luck with that as well.

Richard Crowley ha escrito:
"J. P. Morris" wrote ...
Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you
want, and what your priorities are.
Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it
currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron.

And if you can't get it to work, you'll be relying on help from
people who think you are a moron. Good luck with that.

Exactly and this thread is a prime example of that.
Linux people as a whole are nasty, rabid zealots and I know this is a
sweeping statement, but there is much evidence of it being so and my
own experiences have proven it to me.
They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down upon
anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming.
The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the concept of
the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an end.
They prefer instead to tinker with the computer instead of using
applications.
It's kind of a weird Star Wars/Trekie type oddball that gravitates
toward Linux.


If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

No. You'll just need to find one that is still in production that
has working Linux drivers. Good luck with that as well.

RME is the best card for Linux.
M-Audio is a close second.
Other than that? You are out of luck.


This is a classic example of how the Linux community at large will lie
through their teeth to sucker in yet another convert.
It's almost like the Hari Krishners for goodness sakes.
Marko

On Sat, 28 May 2005 15:21:35 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:



Richard Crowley ha escrito:
"J. P. Morris" wrote ...
Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you
want, and what your priorities are.
Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it
currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron.

And if you can't get it to work, you'll be relying on help from
people who think you are a moron. Good luck with that.

Exactly and this thread is a prime example of that.

No, it isn't.

Linux people as a whole are nasty, rabid zealots and I know this is a
sweeping statement, but there is much evidence of it being so and my
own experiences have proven it to me.

Linucx people as a whole are just like any other people. Some nice, some
nasty.

They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down upon
anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming.

Absolutely wrong. Most of us don't have a degree in programming. I
certainnly don't. i use Linux because it's Free/Open and free from cost
and fun, and interesting

The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the concept of
the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an end.

Again, wrong. Linux is about tools - the whole Linux/unixlike concept is
about toolchains, and creating the tools *you* need and want, not adapting
yourself to the tools that are given to you.

They prefer instead to tinker with the computer instead of using
applications.

Wrong. It's true that Linux is great for tinkering, but it's just as good
for common or gargen variety tasks. It's an OS designed to be used, day
in, day out.

It's kind of a weird Star Wars/Trekie type oddball that gravitates
toward Linux.

Wrong. What you mean is, people who think for themselves rather than just
accepting what's shoved at them.



If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

No. You'll just need to find one that is still in production that
has working Linux drivers. Good luck with that as well.

You don't know much about Linux, do you?


RME is the best card for Linux.
M-Audio is a close second.
Other than that? You are out of luck.


This is a classic example of how the Linux community at large will lie
through their teeth to sucker in yet another convert.

Wrong. Are you some sort of slave, that you can't make decisions for
yourself?

It's almost like the Hari Krishners for goodness sakes.

You claim to be a Linux user, yet you repeat lie after lie. That makes you
a troll.

--
Kier

Richard Crowley ha escrito:
"J. P. Morris" wrote ...
Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you
want, and what your priorities are.
Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it
currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron.

And if you can't get it to work, you'll be relying on help from
people who think you are a moron. Good luck with that.

Exactly and this thread is a prime example of that.
Linux people as a whole are nasty, rabid zealots and I know this is a
sweeping statement, but there is much evidence of it being so and my
own experiences have proven it to me.
They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down upon
anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming.
The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the concept of
the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an end.
They prefer instead to tinker with the computer instead of using
applications.
It's kind of a weird Star Wars/Trekie type oddball that gravitates
toward Linux.


If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

No. You'll just need to find one that is still in production that
has working Linux drivers. Good luck with that as well.

RME is the best card for Linux.
M-Audio is a close second.
Other than that? You are out of luck.


This is a classic example of how the Linux community at large will lie
through their teeth to sucker in yet another convert.
It's almost like the Hari Krishners for goodness sakes.
Marko

"J. P. Morris" wrote in message news:4298e014$0$541

If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

'You will plug me into the phone line NOW that I may commune with
Microsoft. If you fail to comply, Windows will be destroyed.
You have three earth days.'

Jeepers, that must be for Liniots only. The rest of us get 30 days. And
not from a trivial PCI card swap.

geoff

Geoff Wood wrote:


"J. P. Morris" wrote in message news:4298e014$0$541

If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:

'You will plug me into the phone line NOW that I may commune with
Microsoft. If you fail to comply, Windows will be destroyed.
You have three earth days.'

Jeepers, that must be for Liniots only. The rest of us get 30 days. And
not from a trivial PCI card swap.

Try swapping two or three cards then. It does happen, and it is only
three days. Thirty days for initial registration, three days for changing
the hardware. Of course, none of this nonsense will happen with W2K.



By the way, in case my post came off wrongly, which appears to be the
case, I'd like to clarify it a little:

* Windows has problems. You may find these to be acceptable to you.

* Linux solves the licensing problems, but causes other problems.

* For my purposes, Linux is not yet ready as an audio platform.
(Although as you can see from the headers, I use it for everything else)

* I should not have used the word 'moron'. People have inferred from this,
wrongly, that I was calling all Windows users 'morons'.

* People who dislike Windows but are tied to it should explore ReactOS as
a possible alternative, since it should give the ability to deploy
Windows-based audio software without fear of Microsoft pulling the version
you need in future (as they are often wont to do).


geoff

--
JP Morris - aka DOUG the Eagle (Dragon) -=UDIC=-
Fun things to do with the Ultima games http://www.it-he.org
Reign of the Just - An Ultima clone http://rotj.it-he.org
d+++ e+ N+ T++ Om U1234!56!7'!S'!8!9!KAW u++ uC+++ uF+++ uG---- uLB----
uA--- nC+ nR---- nH+++ nP++ nI nPT nS nT wM- wC- y a(YEAR - 1976)

In article writes:

That reads very much like some kind of troll, but I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt.

Likewise. And that's all I'll say in terms of a reply. I don't want to
dignify this thread any further with comments about getting down to
the business of recording music.

If you don't like Microsoft, use Linux. If you're not smart enough to
use Linux, get a good Ampex or Studer.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Mike Rivers wrote:


In article
writes:

That reads very much like some kind of troll, but I'll give you the
benefit of the doubt.

Likewise. And that's all I'll say in terms of a reply. I don't want to
dignify this thread any further with comments about getting down to
the business of recording music.

Well said.

If you don't like Microsoft, use Linux. If you're not smart enough to
use Linux, get a good Ampex or Studer.

Sometimes you just can't win. I hold off mentioning RTR (which is
my preference) to avoid getting pegged as an analogue zealot, but wind
up playing the Linux zealot instead. Sorry about that..


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

--
JP Morris - aka DOUG the Eagle (Dragon) -=UDIC=-
Fun things to do with the Ultima games http://www.it-he.org
Reign of the Just - An Ultima clone http://rotj.it-he.org
d+++ e+ N+ T++ Om U1234!56!7'!S'!8!9!KAW u++ uC+++ uF+++ uG---- uLB----
uA--- nC+ nR---- nH+++ nP++ nI nPT nS nT wM- wC- y a(YEAR - 1976)

In article znr1117293005k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:

When will you have time to do any recording, or make any music?

Mike the OP is referring to a turnkey solution, which, if it supports
his sound device, is actually quite easy to run, requires a minimum of
fuss. I agree that linux is an "adventure" and can be maddening, but I
wonder, have you actually tried Agnula and Ardour? It's pretty decent
from the user's perspective, once it's installed.

If you want to talk about *before* it's installed, Windows doesn't
exactly win any prizes here either.

A turnkey linux solution passes the "grandma test" very easily.

"perso" wrote in message
...
Hi

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?
:
Linux agnula

You should talk to the people who use it or work on it to find out the
viability there. Are you a programmer? Are you into synthesis? How familiar
are you with Linux? I'm asking because you might be better off with
something like Mandrake, and doing some customization.

Ardour +

It's being debugged in preparation for coming out of Beta. It's taking a
long, long time. You shouldn't use Beta software for things you care about.

Delta 1010 or RME Hammerfall

By all accounts the drivers are solid.

Whatever you do, I'd strongly recommend NOT keeping your DAW on the
internet, after you build it. Build it once and leave it alone. Make music.

jb

reddred a écrit :
"perso" wrote in message
...

Hi

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?
:
Linux agnula


You should talk to the people who use it or work on it to find out the
viability there. Are you a programmer? Are you into synthesis? How familiar
are you with Linux? I'm asking because you might be better off with
something like Mandrake, and doing some customization.


Ardour +


It's being debugged in preparation for coming out of Beta. It's taking a
long, long time. You shouldn't use Beta software for things you care about.


Delta 1010 or RME Hammerfall


By all accounts the drivers are solid.

Whatever you do, I'd strongly recommend NOT keeping your DAW on the
internet, after you build it. Build it once and leave it alone. Make music.

understood thanks.
jb



mandrake...
i'm french
but i prefer debian... :-)

It really depends on how you're using it and how important your
recordings are. For personal stuff it's definitely usable; sound
quality and usability of the tools are no issue.

However personally I'm not (yet) trusting it for live recording of
paying clients. If you have a recoverable crash in a home recording
situation, nothing is lost; of you have one during recording a live
concert, you lose the concert.

In my current setup, I'm mostly using Linux for recording the final
mixdown (which I do with a digital console), editing it and burning it
to CD, but not yet for realtime critical stuff.

Bit by bit things are getting more and more usable, and I do think you
can get quite far with just Linux. It's definitely not the easiest way,
but a bit of persistence goes a long way. I've had ardour crashing on
me more than once but that might be related to my unstable jackd setup
back then.

GNU wavecleaner does the trick of denoising (always make a backup of
your original before denoising, cause gwc is unstable as hell but it
does its work well otherwise). For normalizing etc I use rezound and
audacity, so personally I don't really have a big need for using
ardour. If I want to do any composing, my tools of choice are usually
soundtracker, or if I need something a bit more pro I use rosegarden
for a sequencer and fluidsynth/zynaddsubfx as softsynths (and aeolus if
I need a realistic sounding pipe organ).

Best of luck and keep us posted!

kleinebre a écrit :
It really depends on how you're using it and how important your
recordings are. For personal stuff it's definitely usable; sound
quality and usability of the tools are no issue.

However personally I'm not (yet) trusting it for live recording of
paying clients. If you have a recoverable crash in a home recording
situation, nothing is lost; of you have one during recording a live
concert, you lose the concert.

In my current setup, I'm mostly using Linux for recording the final
mixdown (which I do with a digital console), editing it and burning it
to CD, but not yet for realtime critical stuff.

Bit by bit things are getting more and more usable, and I do think you
can get quite far with just Linux. It's definitely not the easiest way,
but a bit of persistence goes a long way. I've had ardour crashing on
me more than once but that might be related to my unstable jackd setup
back then.

GNU wavecleaner does the trick of denoising (always make a backup of
your original before denoising, cause gwc is unstable as hell but it
does its work well otherwise). For normalizing etc I use rezound and
audacity, so personally I don't really have a big need for using
ardour. If I want to do any composing, my tools of choice are usually
soundtracker, or if I need something a bit more pro I use rosegarden
for a sequencer and fluidsynth/zynaddsubfx as softsynths (and aeolus if
I need a realistic sounding pipe organ).

Best of luck and keep us posted!

thanks

Linux?
Do you want to create music or twiddle with your computer?
Linux currently has at least 5 different sound servers, none of which
talk to each other. If you are interested in low latency you will have
to run Jack which is supposedly a low latency sound server that uses
ALSA (one of the Linux sound systems) to interface with your audio
hardware. The entire thing is one gigantic mess that requires endless
care and feeding.
How do I know?
I tried to do the very same thing about a month ago and finally gave up
because I found myself spending more time trying to make things work
than creating music. And before the Linux loonatics crawl out of mix, I
use Linux for my webserver and all my day to day operations and for
that, Linux is preferred over Windows in my opinion.
As for programs, your biggest problem is going to be QUALITY plugins.
There are many plugins that come with say Ardour (a decent program) but
they can't match the quality of even the most basic Windows/Mac plugin
in general.
Ardour is highly unstable and has an interface that reminds me of Logic
1.0.
Terrible!
Audacity is not a bad program, but it is no SoundForge.

If I were you, and I am assuming you are on a budget (why else would
anyone consider Linux for professional audio?) I would try N-Tracks and
scour the net for free plugins, many of which are very good.
If you are not on a budget, Sony was recently running a special on
SoungForge 8.0 for $99.00 and nothing Linux has can come close.

However, if your time is not worth anything and you don't mind losing
clients or at least having them laugh at you, try dynabolic for a
decent audio based distribution.

It will allow you to try things before hosing your entire system by
installing Linux.

http://lab.dyne.org/DyneBolic

You might also want to look up a person who calls himself "flatfish"
and resides in the Linux discussion groups.

One final note, the Linux quacks will come out of the woodwork telling
you how great Linux is and for many applications that is true. However
digital audio studio work is NOT one of them and also understand most
of them are programmers not musicians so their view on this is tilted
that way. They will also tell you how major Hollywood production
houses, ie:Pixar, have moved to Linux which is also true. Ask them when
you can purchase Pixar's grown in house software and also what on earth
does that have to do with a project studio?

Good luck
Marko





perso ha escrito:
Hi

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?
:
Linux agnula
Ardour +
Delta 1010 or RME Hammerfall
soundcraft...
Fostex D 80
etc...
regards

On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:36:58 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:

Linux?
Do you want to create music or twiddle with your computer?

Depends. Maybe I'd like to do both. It has been known.

Linux currently has at least 5 different sound servers, none of which
talk to each other. If you are interested in low latency you will have
to run Jack which is supposedly a low latency sound server that uses
ALSA (one of the Linux sound systems) to interface with your audio
hardware. The entire thing is one gigantic mess that requires endless
care and feeding.

No it isn't. It's pretty sophisticated. Probably too sophisticted for
someone like you.

How do I know?

You don't.

I tried to do the very same thing about a month ago and finally gave up
because I found myself spending more time trying to make things work
than creating music. And before the Linux loonatics crawl out of mix, I
use Linux for my webserver and all my day to day operations and for
that, Linux is preferred over Windows in my opinion.

I don't believe you.

As for programs, your biggest problem is going to be QUALITY plugins.
There are many plugins that come with say Ardour (a decent program) but
they can't match the quality of even the most basic Windows/Mac plugin
in general.

Nonsense.

Ardour is highly unstable and has an interface that reminds me of Logic
1.0.
Terrible!

Then use something else.

Audacity is not a bad program, but it is no SoundForge.

Why should it be?


If I were you, and I am assuming you are on a budget (why else would
anyone consider Linux for professional audio?)

They are interested in controlling all aspects of their music. And why do
you suppose musicians aren't on a budget?

I would try N-Tracks and
scour the net for free plugins, many of which are very good.
If you are not on a budget, Sony was recently running a special on
SoungForge 8.0 for $99.00 and nothing Linux has can come close.

Yeah right. Liar.


However, if your time is not worth anything and you don't mind losing
clients or at least having them laugh at you, try dynabolic for a
decent audio based distribution.

Why are you lying?


It will allow you to try things before hosing your entire system by
installing Linux.

No one will hose their system installing Linux, unless they're very
careless or stupid. But Dyne:bolic is certainly a great place to start
trying out Linux multimedia.


http://lab.dyne.org/DyneBolic

You might also want to look up a person who calls himself "flatfish"
and resides in the Linux discussion groups.

Why? Flatfish is a serial nymshifter and liar. His opinions are worthless.


One final note, the Linux quacks will come out of the woodwork telling
you how great Linux is and for many applications that is true. However
digital audio studio work is NOT one of them and also understand most
of them are programmers not musicians so their view on this is tilted
that way. They will also tell you how major Hollywood production
houses, ie:Pixar, have moved to Linux which is also true. Ask them when
you can purchase Pixar's grown in house software and also what on earth
does that have to do with a project studio?

Linux has a lot of very interesting and creative software for audio
creation. Some of it kind of technical. If you don't care for that, fine,
but don't slag it because you don't understand it. Others do.

(fup2COLA)

--
Kier

And here we have another Linux screwball who obviously has never used
any type of professional digital audio programs, but yet feels the need
to jump in and make baseless accusations without ever providing any
source for his information.
This is also typical of the Linux screwball.

See what I mean about Linux?
If you went to a Cubase group and asked about Sonar, you might get one
or two zealots attacking you, but when you get involved with Linux, and
tell it like it is, IOW in this case Linux is an extremely poor choice,
the kooks will come out of the woodwork looking to save the good name
of Linux.

Just remember that since Linux isn't a company so to speak, these are
the same people that you will be depending upon for support when the
program fails to perform, which is typical.

FWIW I got Ardour/Audacity/Jack working fine, I just didn't like the
programs. They were unstable, had horrid plugins and awful interfaces.

Marko



Kier ha escrito:
On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:36:58 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:

Linux?
Do you want to create music or twiddle with your computer?

Depends. Maybe I'd like to do both. It has been known.

Linux currently has at least 5 different sound servers, none of which
talk to each other. If you are interested in low latency you will have
to run Jack which is supposedly a low latency sound server that uses
ALSA (one of the Linux sound systems) to interface with your audio
hardware. The entire thing is one gigantic mess that requires endless
care and feeding.

No it isn't. It's pretty sophisticated. Probably too sophisticted for
someone like you.

How do I know?

You don't.

I tried to do the very same thing about a month ago and finally gave up
because I found myself spending more time trying to make things work
than creating music. And before the Linux loonatics crawl out of mix, I
use Linux for my webserver and all my day to day operations and for
that, Linux is preferred over Windows in my opinion.

I don't believe you.

As for programs, your biggest problem is going to be QUALITY plugins.
There are many plugins that come with say Ardour (a decent program) but
they can't match the quality of even the most basic Windows/Mac plugin
in general.

Nonsense.

Ardour is highly unstable and has an interface that reminds me of Logic
1.0.
Terrible!

Then use something else.

Audacity is not a bad program, but it is no SoundForge.

Why should it be?


If I were you, and I am assuming you are on a budget (why else would
anyone consider Linux for professional audio?)

They are interested in controlling all aspects of their music. And why do
you suppose musicians aren't on a budget?

I would try N-Tracks and
scour the net for free plugins, many of which are very good.
If you are not on a budget, Sony was recently running a special on
SoungForge 8.0 for $99.00 and nothing Linux has can come close.

Yeah right. Liar.


However, if your time is not worth anything and you don't mind losing
clients or at least having them laugh at you, try dynabolic for a
decent audio based distribution.

Why are you lying?


It will allow you to try things before hosing your entire system by
installing Linux.

No one will hose their system installing Linux, unless they're very
careless or stupid. But Dyne:bolic is certainly a great place to start
trying out Linux multimedia.


http://lab.dyne.org/DyneBolic

You might also want to look up a person who calls himself "flatfish"
and resides in the Linux discussion groups.

Why? Flatfish is a serial nymshifter and liar. His opinions are worthless.


One final note, the Linux quacks will come out of the woodwork telling
you how great Linux is and for many applications that is true. However
digital audio studio work is NOT one of them and also understand most
of them are programmers not musicians so their view on this is tilted
that way. They will also tell you how major Hollywood production
houses, ie:Pixar, have moved to Linux which is also true. Ask them when
you can purchase Pixar's grown in house software and also what on earth
does that have to do with a project studio?

Linux has a lot of very interesting and creative software for audio
creation. Some of it kind of technical. If you don't care for that, fine,
but don't slag it because you don't understand it. Others do.

(fup2COLA)

--
Kier

Marko Shindler a écrit :
And here we have another Linux screwball who obviously has never used
any type of professional digital audio programs, but yet feels the need
to jump in and make baseless accusations without ever providing any
source for his information.
This is also typical of the Linux screwball.

See what I mean about Linux?
If you went to a Cubase group and asked about Sonar, you might get one
or two zealots attacking you

1 year ago I had at the same time Sonar + Cubase: very funny because no
one could really attack me
Linux was only an idea not MY only choice, gonna try Ardour but have a
closer look to PT or Samplitude (don't know,... )


, but when you get involved with Linux, and
tell it like it is, IOW in this case Linux is an extremely poor choice,
the kooks will come out of the woodwork looking to save the good name
of Linux.

ok you hate linux understood.
it was only a question, keep cool...



Just remember that since Linux isn't a company so to speak, these are
the same people that you will be depending upon for support when the
program fails to perform, which is typical.



FWIW I got Ardour/Audacity/Jack working fine, I just didn't like the
programs. They were unstable, had horrid plugins and awful interfaces.

Marko

;-)

On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:16:30 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:

And here we have another Linux screwball who obviously has never used
any type of professional digital audio programs, but yet feels the need
to jump in and make baseless accusations without ever providing any
source for his information.

Incorrect. I am not 'a Linux screwball'. I'm a Linux *user*.

This is also typical of the Linux screwball.

You're the only one whose behaviour is in any way 'typical', so far.
Typical of a troll, that is.


See what I mean about Linux?

No. I don't. And nor will any other honest user.

If you went to a Cubase group and asked about Sonar, you might get one
or two zealots attacking you, but when you get involved with Linux, and
tell it like it is, IOW in this case Linux is an extremely poor choice,
the kooks will come out of the woodwork looking to save the good name
of Linux.

The good name of Linux is not in jeopardy, and we are not kooks. That's
your biggest mistake. Sure, Linux isn't the most obvious platform for
audio work, and you may need some technical expertise to get the best
from it, but it still has huge potential. If you were really interested in
finding out about what it can do, you'd be reading 'Linux User and
Developer', which has been running an in-depth series of articles about
Linux audio, not slagging it off here.


Just remember that since Linux isn't a company so to speak, these are
the same people that you will be depending upon for support when the
program fails to perform, which is typical.

No, it isn't typical. Again, you make statements which you cannot support.
And no, Linux iteslf is not a company, but you can buy support for any
regular distro, and the support of the community is also excellent, if you
treat the community with respect.


FWIW I got Ardour/Audacity/Jack working fine, I just didn't like the
programs. They were unstable, had horrid plugins and awful interfaces.

If you don't are for the programs, that's fine, no one is asking you to.
Just don't lie about them. If you don't find the interfaces appealing, why
not get in touch with the maintainers and suggest some improvements?
That's how the Linux community works.

If you got the apps working fine, why are you complaining?

You may be a genuine poster, but your atitude, and the use fo such
epithets as 'Linux kook', 'Linux screwball', makes that doubtful. If you
have honest criticisms to make, please use less inflammatory language, and
you may be better received.

I don't think Linux audio is perfect, or a slot-in replacement for the
apps you may be used to, but it has many plus points, if you're willing to
put in some effort. You can design your own music creation tools, for a
start, tailored to your own personal needs. That's got to be a good thing,
right? You can have total control over your music making.

And please don't top-post, it makes replying to you unnecessarily
difficult.

--
Kier

Marko Shindler a écrit :
Linux?
Do you want to create music or twiddle with your computer?
Linux currently has at least 5 different sound servers, none of which
talk to each other. If you are interested in low latency you will have
to run Jack which is supposedly a low latency sound server that uses
ALSA (one of the Linux sound systems) to interface with your audio
hardware. The entire thing is one gigantic mess that requires endless
care and feeding.
How do I know?
I tried to do the very same thing about a month ago and finally gave up
because I found myself spending more time trying to make things work
than creating music. And before the Linux loonatics crawl out of mix, I
use Linux for my webserver and all my day to day operations and for
that, Linux is preferred over Windows in my opinion.
As for programs, your biggest problem is going to be QUALITY plugins.
There are many plugins that come with say Ardour (a decent program) but
they can't match the quality of even the most basic Windows/Mac plugin
in general.
Ardour is highly unstable and has an interface that reminds me of Logic
1.0.
Terrible!
Audacity is not a bad program, but it is no SoundForge.

If I were you, and I am assuming you are on a budget (why else would
anyone consider Linux for professional audio?) I would try N-Tracks and
scour the net for free plugins, many of which are very good.

not really: i have sonar,
i 'm interested by Samplitude (good)

I think Linux is an interesting OS.
And Agnula a very good project
Ardour is only a beta version 0.9beta29 so let's wait.
interesting that's all ;-)))

maybe Pro tools LE for live recordings and Linux Audio Agnula/Ardour for
testing.





If you are not on a budget, Sony was recently running a special on
SoungForge 8.0 for $99.00 and nothing Linux has can come close.

However, if your time is not worth anything and you don't mind losing
clients or at least having them laugh at you, try dynabolic for a
decent audio based distribution.

[(i posted here but i'm not a professional. so i don't mind loosing
clients because i'm a jurist not a sound engineer ))) it will be for
semi pro applications and recordings, not professional. i don't care
about pro tools TDM... even it's my favorite soft+hardware... ]


Good luck
Marko




thanks

perso ha escrito:
not really: i have sonar,
i 'm interested by Samplitude (good)

Ok, I apologize for mis-understanding.
If you use Sonar (I do!) and are interested in Samplitude (I use 7.x
myself) you will not be interested in Linux because those programs are
in a totally different league than ANY of the Linux offerings.


I think Linux is an interesting OS.
And Agnula a very good project
Ardour is only a beta version 0.9beta29 so let's wait.
interesting that's all ;-)))

Interesting is fine, but if you are a musician your burning desire is
to create music and Linux will hinder that big time.
If you are interested in learning about computers, operating systems
and learning Linux while at the same time tinkering with digital audio,
then maybe Linux is a good choice for you.
Only you know what your goals are.



maybe Pro tools LE for live recordings and Linux Audio Agnula/Ardour for
testing.

That's essentially the way I approached it. I did a dual boot on my DAW
workstation and shared a FAT32 drive between Suse 9.3 Linux and
Windows.
What I discovered was that Linux audio programs, while functional and
certainly inexpensive enough, are WAY behind the curve of even the most
basic Windows based program, like N-tracks for example.



[(i posted here but i'm not a professional. so i don't mind loosing
clients because i'm a jurist not a sound engineer ))) it will be for
semi pro applications and recordings, not professional. i don't care
about pro tools TDM... even it's my favorite soft+hardware... ]

I don't use Protools either.
Look, if you want to test try dynebolic because it is much more
current, and better supported than agnula.
BTW I don't hate Linux, like I said it runs my web server and I use it
for all my other stuff.
However, I tell it like it is and Linux is a disaster for a home studio
unless your time means nothing and you have no money.
Seeing as you already use Sonar, Linux will be a major step down.

thanks

You're welcome!
Marko

Marko Shindler a écrit :

perso ha escrito:

not really: i have sonar,
i 'm interested by Samplitude (good)


Ok, I apologize for mis-understanding.

;-)))

if i could, even i'm a non professional, i'd have pro tools + sam +
sonar + nuendo ;-)


If you use Sonar (I do!) and are interested in Samplitude (I use 7.x
myself) you will not be interested in Linux because those programs are
in a totally different league than ANY of the Linux offerings.





Interesting is fine, but if you are a musician your burning desire is
to create music and Linux will hinder that big time.
If you are interested in learning about computers, operating systems
and learning Linux while at the same time tinkering with digital audio,
then maybe Linux is a good choice for you.
Only you know what your goals are.
;-)



maybe Pro tools LE for live recordings and Linux Audio Agnula/Ardour for
testing.


That's essentially the way I approached it. I did a dual boot on my DAW
workstation and shared a FAT32 drive between Suse 9.3 Linux and
Windows.
What I discovered was that Linux audio programs, while functional and
certainly inexpensive enough, are WAY behind the curve of even the most
basic Windows based program, like N-tracks for example.


N-Tracks ? never tried.





I don't use Protools either.
Look, if you want to test try dynebolic because it is much more
current, and better supported than agnula.

thanks
BTW I don't hate Linux, like I said it runs my web server and I use it
for all my other stuff.
However, I tell it like it is and Linux is a disaster for a home studio
unless your time means nothing and you have no money.
Seeing as you already use Sonar, Linux will be a major step down.

ok as de gaulle said "Je vous ai compris"

thanks


You're welcome!
Marko

;-)
my project: sonar or sam (7/8 don't know) on computer 1
linux audio for testing on computer 2 (for fun if you prefer)

In article .com,
Marko Shindler wrote:

Interesting is fine, but if you are a musician your burning desire is
to create music and Linux will hinder that big time.

If you're a musician whose day job is developing software, or if you're
a CS major with a music minor, that's totally wrong.

Here's the thing: I'm a musician whose day job is developing software,
and I majored in CS with a minor in music, and get this, I know many
others who are one of those, and a few others who can say both.
It's not uncommon at all -- in fact, it's very, very common for people
who are into music to also be into electronics, math, physics, and
computer programming.

In article TfU4f.2843$i%.2657@fed1read07,
(james) wrote:

In article .com,
Marko Shindler wrote:

Interesting is fine, but if you are a musician your burning desire is
to create music and Linux will hinder that big time.

If you're a musician whose day job is developing software, or if you're
a CS major with a music minor, that's totally wrong.

Here's the thing: I'm a musician whose day job is developing software,
and I majored in CS with a minor in music, and get this, I know many
others who are one of those, and a few others who can say both.
It's not uncommon at all -- in fact, it's very, very common for people
who are into music to also be into electronics, math, physics, and
computer programming.


that's nice. I know musicians who piddle around with computers in their
spare time too. that doesn't make them professional programmers any
more than you being a professional musician. enjoy your hobby but don't
get confused about what you really do.
--
Digital Services Recording Studios
http://www.digisrvs.com

Marko Shindler wrote:
snip

Seriously flatfish, you need to get a life.

On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:59:31 -0700, wrote:



Marko Shindler wrote:
snip

Seriously flatfish, you need to get a life.

This *is* his life, it seems. Sad...

--
Kier