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Convert WAV To BMP And Back

On RentaCoder one of the other coders thought I just wanted him to
change the extension from WAV to BMP. Another coder brought up the
complexities of actually converting WAVs to JPGs and back again,
because JPGs are compressed. And someone else asked me how they could
actually convert it. It is easiest if we work with BMPs and WAVs
because if we worked with BMP image files you just have to get into the
binary code of the file, and swap the headers around. So as long as
photoshop thinks the WAV is a BMP file you will be able to see what it
looks like and modify it. But I don't expect a representation that
looks like a graphical wav file. I expect a colorful psychedelic mess.

What I suggest is a simple command line interface that has all the
fields for the headers as boxes for input. The number of colors in the
image, the height and width, etc. And all the fields for the type of
sound on the other. And then the user gets to make a manual switch.

It would be nice if we could do all of this live, and while I was
editing in photoshop it could show me a convenient display of what the
WAV file was intended to look like. But we will need to run
experiments to see how the file size of WAVs and BMPs relate to the
headers, minus the size of the headers (which change depending on the
size of the headers fields).


Here is some data...

100x100 pixels: 29.3 KB (30,056 bytes)
1x1 pixels: 60 bytes (60 bytes)

resulution 72 pixels/inch
Color Moder: RGB 8 Bit
Depth 24 Bit

- saved in photoshop -

The content of the files doesn't matter it is all 1s and 0s, the
headers determine the size. We could do another experiment just like
this with a wav file, and see how the size of the file relates to the
wav files headers.


I would like to be able to blend music in photoshop by mixing layers of
wav files. I can take two recordings of someone singing the same song,
and blend them together in photoshop. An example could be taking a
robot voice that sings a song, and then blending it with my voice while
I am singing. To create a more realistic robot. This is one of the
techniques they are using to make music in holywood. And obviously we
could also take real life images or abstract or and see what they
"sound like".

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Actually, there is a way to use wave files to make real pictures!

http://www.akrobiz.com/laserboy/index.html

James. )





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Convert WAV To BMP And Back

On RentaCoder one of the other coders thought I just wanted him to
change the extension from WAV to BMP. Another coder brought up the
complexities of actually converting WAVs to JPGs and back again,
because JPGs are compressed. And someone else asked me how they could
actually convert it. It is easiest if we work with BMPs and WAVs
because if we worked with BMP image files you just have to get into the
binary code of the file, and swap the headers around. So as long as
photoshop thinks the WAV is a BMP file you will be able to see what it
looks like and modify it. But I don't expect a representation that
looks like a graphical wav file. I expect a colorful psychedelic mess.

What I suggest is a simple command line interface that has all the
fields for the headers as boxes for input. The number of colors in the
image, the height and width, etc. And all the fields for the type of
sound on the other. And then the user gets to make a manual switch.

It would be nice if we could do all of this live, and while I was
editing in photoshop it could show me a convenient display of what the
WAV file was intended to look like. But we will need to run
experiments to see how the file size of WAVs and BMPs relate to the
headers, minus the size of the headers (which change depending on the
size of the headers fields).


Here is some data...

100x100 pixels: 29.3 KB (30,056 bytes)
1x1 pixels: 60 bytes (60 bytes)

resulution 72 pixels/inch
Color Moder: RGB 8 Bit
Depth 24 Bit

- saved in photoshop -

The content of the files doesn't matter it is all 1s and 0s, the
headers determine the size. We could do another experiment just like
this with a wav file, and see how the size of the file relates to the
wav files headers.


I would like to be able to blend music in photoshop by mixing layers of
wav files. I can take two recordings of someone singing the same song,
and blend them together in photoshop. An example could be taking a
robot voice that sings a song, and then blending it with my voice while
I am singing. To create a more realistic robot. This is one of the
techniques they are using to make music in holywood. And obviously we
could also take real life images or abstract or and see what they
"sound like".



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Convert WAV To BMP And Back

On RentaCoder one of the other coders thought I just wanted him to
change the extension from WAV to BMP. Another coder brought up the
complexities of actually converting WAVs to JPGs and back again,
because JPGs are compressed. And someone else asked me how they could
actually convert it. It is easiest if we work with BMPs and WAVs
because if we worked with BMP image files you just have to get into the
binary code of the file, and swap the headers around. So as long as
photoshop thinks the WAV is a BMP file you will be able to see what it
looks like and modify it. But I don't expect a representation that
looks like a graphical wav file. I expect a colorful psychedelic mess.

What I suggest is a simple command line interface that has all the
fields for the headers as boxes for input. The number of colors in the
image, the height and width, etc. And all the fields for the type of
sound on the other. And then the user gets to make a manual switch.

It would be nice if we could do all of this live, and while I was
editing in photoshop it could show me a convenient display of what the
WAV file was intended to look like. But we will need to run
experiments to see how the file size of WAVs and BMPs relate to the
headers, minus the size of the headers (which change depending on the
size of the headers fields).


Here is some data...

100x100 pixels: 29.3 KB (30,056 bytes)
1x1 pixels: 60 bytes (60 bytes)

resulution 72 pixels/inch
Color Moder: RGB 8 Bit
Depth 24 Bit

- saved in photoshop -

The content of the files doesn't matter it is all 1s and 0s, the
headers determine the size. We could do another experiment just like
this with a wav file, and see how the size of the file relates to the
wav files headers.


I would like to be able to blend music in photoshop by mixing layers of
wav files. I can take two recordings of someone singing the same song,
and blend them together in photoshop. An example could be taking a
robot voice that sings a song, and then blending it with my voice while
I am singing. To create a more realistic robot. This is one of the
techniques they are using to make music in holywood. And obviously we
could also take real life images or abstract or and see what they
"sound like".



A few years ago I ran across a website that was doing the
opposite,converting a .JPG to .MP3 to *visually* see the
loss/compression artifacts from .MP3 conversion.
Suffice to say,the .MP3 compressed picture looked _nothing_ like the
original.
Maybe not a completely fair comparison,as our eyes seem to be way more
sensitive than our ears,atleast to compression/loss.
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I have software to do the job now. It is called 010 Editor. It is a
hex editor that understands how to interpret binary file formats and
has a scripting side engine to make conversion automatically.

PhattyMo wrote:
wrote:
Convert WAV To BMP And Back

On RentaCoder one of the other coders thought I just wanted him to
change the extension from WAV to BMP. Another coder brought up the
complexities of actually converting WAVs to JPGs and back again,
because JPGs are compressed. And someone else asked me how they could
actually convert it. It is easiest if we work with BMPs and WAVs
because if we worked with BMP image files you just have to get into the
binary code of the file, and swap the headers around. So as long as
photoshop thinks the WAV is a BMP file you will be able to see what it
looks like and modify it. But I don't expect a representation that
looks like a graphical wav file. I expect a colorful psychedelic mess.

What I suggest is a simple command line interface that has all the
fields for the headers as boxes for input. The number of colors in the
image, the height and width, etc. And all the fields for the type of
sound on the other. And then the user gets to make a manual switch.

It would be nice if we could do all of this live, and while I was
editing in photoshop it could show me a convenient display of what the
WAV file was intended to look like. But we will need to run
experiments to see how the file size of WAVs and BMPs relate to the
headers, minus the size of the headers (which change depending on the
size of the headers fields).


Here is some data...

100x100 pixels: 29.3 KB (30,056 bytes)
1x1 pixels: 60 bytes (60 bytes)

resulution 72 pixels/inch
Color Moder: RGB 8 Bit
Depth 24 Bit

- saved in photoshop -

The content of the files doesn't matter it is all 1s and 0s, the
headers determine the size. We could do another experiment just like
this with a wav file, and see how the size of the file relates to the
wav files headers.


I would like to be able to blend music in photoshop by mixing layers of
wav files. I can take two recordings of someone singing the same song,
and blend them together in photoshop. An example could be taking a
robot voice that sings a song, and then blending it with my voice while
I am singing. To create a more realistic robot. This is one of the
techniques they are using to make music in holywood. And obviously we
could also take real life images or abstract or and see what they
"sound like".



A few years ago I ran across a website that was doing the
opposite,converting a .JPG to .MP3 to *visually* see the
loss/compression artifacts from .MP3 conversion.
Suffice to say,the .MP3 compressed picture looked _nothing_ like the
original.
Maybe not a completely fair comparison,as our eyes seem to be way more
sensitive than our ears,atleast to compression/loss.


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Here are two dissassembled BMP files, I'll work on the WAV files next.

1x1 BMP
-------

:struct BITMAPFILEhEADER bmfg
: CHAR bfType[2] BM
: DWORD bfSize 60
: WORD bfReserved1 0
: WORD bfReserved2 0
: DWORD bfOffBits 54
:
:struct BITMAPinfohEADER bmih
: DWORD biSize 40
: LONG biWidth 1
: LONG biHeight 1
: WORD biPlanes 1
: WORD biBitCount 24
: DWORD biCompression 0
: DWORD biSizeImage 6
: LONG biXPelsPerMeter 2834
: LONG biYPelsPerMeter 2834
: DWORD biClrUsed 0
: DWORD biClrImportant 0
:
:struct BITMApLINE lines[1]
: struct BITMApliNE lines[0]
: struct RGBTRIPPLE colors[1]
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[0]
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: UBYTE padBytes[1]
: UBYTE padBytes[0] 0
:
:
:100x100 BMP
:-----------
:
:struct BITMAPFILEhEADER bmfg
: CHAR bfType[2] BM
: DWORD bfSize 30056
: WORD bfReserved1 0
: WORD bfReserved2 0
: DWORD bfOffBits 54
:
:struct BITMAPinfohEADER bmih
: DWORD biSize 40
: LONG biWidth 10
: LONG biHeight 10
: WORD biPlanes 1
: WORD biBitCount 24
: DWORD biCompression 0
: DWORD biSizeImage 30002
: LONG biXPelsPerMeter 2834
: LONG biYPelsPerMeter 2834
: DWORD biClrUsed 0
: DWORD biClrImportant 0
:
:struct BITMApLINE lines[1]
: struct BITMApliNE lines[0]
: struct RGBTRIPPLE colors[100]
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[0] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: ...
:
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[99] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: ...
:
: struct BITMApliNE lines[99]
: struct RGBTRIPPLE colors[100]
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[0] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: ...
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[99] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
:
:


wrote:
I have software to do the job now. It is called 010 Editor. It is a
hex editor that understands how to interpret binary file formats and
has a scripting side engine to make conversion automatically.

PhattyMo wrote:
wrote:
Convert WAV To BMP And Back

On RentaCoder one of the other coders thought I just wanted him to
change the extension from WAV to BMP. Another coder brought up the
complexities of actually converting WAVs to JPGs and back again,
because JPGs are compressed. And someone else asked me how they could
actually convert it. It is easiest if we work with BMPs and WAVs
because if we worked with BMP image files you just have to get into the
binary code of the file, and swap the headers around. So as long as
photoshop thinks the WAV is a BMP file you will be able to see what it
looks like and modify it. But I don't expect a representation that
looks like a graphical wav file. I expect a colorful psychedelic mess.

What I suggest is a simple command line interface that has all the
fields for the headers as boxes for input. The number of colors in the
image, the height and width, etc. And all the fields for the type of
sound on the other. And then the user gets to make a manual switch.

It would be nice if we could do all of this live, and while I was
editing in photoshop it could show me a convenient display of what the
WAV file was intended to look like. But we will need to run
experiments to see how the file size of WAVs and BMPs relate to the
headers, minus the size of the headers (which change depending on the
size of the headers fields).


Here is some data...

100x100 pixels: 29.3 KB (30,056 bytes)
1x1 pixels: 60 bytes (60 bytes)

resulution 72 pixels/inch
Color Moder: RGB 8 Bit
Depth 24 Bit

- saved in photoshop -

The content of the files doesn't matter it is all 1s and 0s, the
headers determine the size. We could do another experiment just like
this with a wav file, and see how the size of the file relates to the
wav files headers.


I would like to be able to blend music in photoshop by mixing layers of
wav files. I can take two recordings of someone singing the same song,
and blend them together in photoshop. An example could be taking a
robot voice that sings a song, and then blending it with my voice while
I am singing. To create a more realistic robot. This is one of the
techniques they are using to make music in holywood. And obviously we
could also take real life images or abstract or and see what they
"sound like".



A few years ago I ran across a website that was doing the
opposite,converting a .JPG to .MP3 to *visually* see the
loss/compression artifacts from .MP3 conversion.
Suffice to say,the .MP3 compressed picture looked _nothing_ like the
original.
Maybe not a completely fair comparison,as our eyes seem to be way more
sensitive than our ears,atleast to compression/loss.




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audio code LPCM
Parameters 1 channels 8 bits
32000 Sampling Freq.
256 Bitrate kbps
WAV's made with tools on http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/audiotools.htm


1 sample
--------


:struct WAVRIFFHEADER header
: ID groupID[4] RIFF
: ID groupID[0] 82'R'
: ID groupID[1] 73'I'
: ID groupID[2] 70'F'
: id groupID[3] 70'f'
: long size 37
: ID riffType[4] WAVE
: ID riffType[0] 87'W'
: ID riffType[1] 65'A'
: ID riffType[2] 86'V'
: ID riffType[3] 69'E'
:struct FORMATCHUNk format
: ID chunkID[4] fmt
: ID chunkID[0] 102'f'
: ID chunkID[1] 109'm'
: ID chunkID[2] 116't'
: ID chunkID[3] 32' '
: long chunkSize 16
: short wFormatTag 1
: unsigned shortwChannels 1
: unsigned long dwSamplesPerSec 32000
: unsigned long dwAvgBytesPerSec 32000
: unsigned short wBlockAlign 1
: unsigned short wBitsPerSample 8
:
:struct DATACHUNK data
: ID chunkID[4] data
: ID chunkID[0] 100'd'
: ID chunkID[1] 97'a'
: ID chunkID[2] 116't'
: ID chunkID[3] 97'a'
: long chunkSize 1
: uchar samples[1]
: uchar samples[0] 0


10 sample
---------

:struct WAVRIFFHEADER header
: ID groupID[4] RIFF
: ID groupID[0] 82'R'
: ID groupID[1] 73'I'
: ID groupID[2] 70'F'
: id groupID[3] 70'f'
: long size 46
: ID riffType[4] WAVE
: ID riffType[0] 87'W'
: ID riffType[1] 65'A'
: ID riffType[2] 86'V'
: ID riffType[3] 69'E'
:struct FORMATCHUNk format
: ID chunkID[4] fmt
: ID chunkID[0] 102'f'
: ID chunkID[1] 109'm'
: ID chunkID[2] 116't'
: ID chunkID[3] 32' '
: long chunkSize 16
: short wFormatTag 1
: unsigned shortwChannels 1
: unsigned long dwSamplesPerSec 32000
: unsigned long dwAvgBytesPerSec 32000
: unsigned short wBlockAlign 1
: unsigned short wBitsPerSample 8
:
:struct DATACHUNK data
: ID chunkID[4] data
: ID chunkID[0] 100'd'
: ID chunkID[1] 97'a'
: ID chunkID[2] 116't'
: ID chunkID[3] 97'a'
: long chunkSize 10
: uchar samples[10]
: uchar samples[0] 0
: uchar samples[1] 0
: uchar samples[2] 0
: uchar samples[3] 0
: uchar samples[4] 0
: uchar samples[5] 0
: uchar samples[6] 0
: uchar samples[7] 0
: uchar samples[8] 0
: uchar samples[9] 0



wrote:
Here are two dissassembled BMP files, I'll work on the WAV files next.

1x1 BMP
-------

:struct BITMAPFILEhEADER bmfg
: CHAR bfType[2] BM
: DWORD bfSize 60
: WORD bfReserved1 0
: WORD bfReserved2 0
: DWORD bfOffBits 54
:
:struct BITMAPinfohEADER bmih
: DWORD biSize 40
: LONG biWidth 1
: LONG biHeight 1
: WORD biPlanes 1
: WORD biBitCount 24
: DWORD biCompression 0
: DWORD biSizeImage 6
: LONG biXPelsPerMeter 2834
: LONG biYPelsPerMeter 2834
: DWORD biClrUsed 0
: DWORD biClrImportant 0
:
:struct BITMApLINE lines[1]
: struct BITMApliNE lines[0]
: struct RGBTRIPPLE colors[1]
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[0]
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: UBYTE padBytes[1]
: UBYTE padBytes[0] 0
:
:
:100x100 BMP
:-----------
:
:struct BITMAPFILEhEADER bmfg
: CHAR bfType[2] BM
: DWORD bfSize 30056
: WORD bfReserved1 0
: WORD bfReserved2 0
: DWORD bfOffBits 54
:
:struct BITMAPinfohEADER bmih
: DWORD biSize 40
: LONG biWidth 10
: LONG biHeight 10
: WORD biPlanes 1
: WORD biBitCount 24
: DWORD biCompression 0
: DWORD biSizeImage 30002
: LONG biXPelsPerMeter 2834
: LONG biYPelsPerMeter 2834
: DWORD biClrUsed 0
: DWORD biClrImportant 0
:
:struct BITMApLINE lines[1]
: struct BITMApliNE lines[0]
: struct RGBTRIPPLE colors[100]
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[0] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: ...
:
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[99] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: ...
:
: struct BITMApliNE lines[99]
: struct RGBTRIPPLE colors[100]
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[0] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
: ...
: struct RGBTRIPlE colors[99] #FFFFFF
: UBYTE rgbBlUE 255
: UBYTE rgbGreen 255
: UBYTE rgbRed 255
:
:


wrote:
I have software to do the job now. It is called 010 Editor. It is a
hex editor that understands how to interpret binary file formats and
has a scripting side engine to make conversion automatically.

PhattyMo wrote:
wrote:
Convert WAV To BMP And Back

On RentaCoder one of the other coders thought I just wanted him to
change the extension from WAV to BMP. Another coder brought up the
complexities of actually converting WAVs to JPGs and back again,
because JPGs are compressed. And someone else asked me how they could
actually convert it. It is easiest if we work with BMPs and WAVs
because if we worked with BMP image files you just have to get into the
binary code of the file, and swap the headers around. So as long as
photoshop thinks the WAV is a BMP file you will be able to see what it
looks like and modify it. But I don't expect a representation that
looks like a graphical wav file. I expect a colorful psychedelic mess.

What I suggest is a simple command line interface that has all the
fields for the headers as boxes for input. The number of colors in the
image, the height and width, etc. And all the fields for the type of
sound on the other. And then the user gets to make a manual switch.

It would be nice if we could do all of this live, and while I was
editing in photoshop it could show me a convenient display of what the
WAV file was intended to look like. But we will need to run
experiments to see how the file size of WAVs and BMPs relate to the
headers, minus the size of the headers (which change depending on the
size of the headers fields).


Here is some data...

100x100 pixels: 29.3 KB (30,056 bytes)
1x1 pixels: 60 bytes (60 bytes)

resulution 72 pixels/inch
Color Moder: RGB 8 Bit
Depth 24 Bit

- saved in photoshop -

The content of the files doesn't matter it is all 1s and 0s, the
headers determine the size. We could do another experiment just like
this with a wav file, and see how the size of the file relates to the
wav files headers.


I would like to be able to blend music in photoshop by mixing layers of
wav files. I can take two recordings of someone singing the same song,
and blend them together in photoshop. An example could be taking a
robot voice that sings a song, and then blending it with my voice while
I am singing. To create a more realistic robot. This is one of the
techniques they are using to make music in holywood. And obviously we
could also take real life images or abstract or and see what they
"sound like".



A few years ago I ran across a website that was doing the
opposite,converting a .JPG to .MP3 to *visually* see the
loss/compression artifacts from .MP3 conversion.
Suffice to say,the .MP3 compressed picture looked _nothing_ like the
original.
Maybe not a completely fair comparison,as our eyes seem to be way more
sensitive than our ears,atleast to compression/loss.


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