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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka
Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... I see references to "CAF" back in 2003... can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Keith |
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Ian Bjorhovde pops his head in now and then. Mark is off studying something
far away. I wish Manville Smith was still around. He was a wonderful source of information. I learned TONS from him. I've been around RAC for 10 years, just under different handles. MOSFET "keith" wrote in message ... I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... I see references to "CAF" back in 2003... can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Keith |
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Right on... I was somewhat present here from '98 to '02, but then got
burnt out on Eddie induced flame wars dominating the posts. Now it seems a little hollow without them - LOL. At least they were arguing about complex issues using factual data and probably ~100 years of combined experience... Anyway, I've been lurking for a week or two now, just trying to get the feel of the current group, and it just seems like there aren't many people trying - you and Matt seem to be the only consistent contributers... After a quick search I found caraudioforumn.com. DUH... I'm trying to get caught up with that forum. I'll stick around here too, and be of help where I can. Thanks KeithS MOSFET wrote: Ian Bjorhovde pops his head in now and then. Mark is off studying something far away. I wish Manville Smith was still around. He was a wonderful source of information. I learned TONS from him. I've been around RAC for 10 years, just under different handles. MOSFET "keith" wrote in message ... I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... I see references to "CAF" back in 2003... can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Keith |
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Hi Keith,
That's what drove me away as well... I've been poking around a little the last few months as well. Not as much juicy stuff to talk about these days. I've seen a couple of posts from John Durbin now and then... smiles, Jamie On 2006-09-09 16:25:57 -0700, keith said: Right on... I was somewhat present here from '98 to '02, but then got burnt out on Eddie induced flame wars dominating the posts. Now it seems a little hollow without them - LOL. At least they were arguing about complex issues using factual data and probably ~100 years of combined experience... |
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So, tell me, does distortion _really_ kill speakers????
Sorry, feeling nostalgic... no, but seriously... Jamie Pruden wrote: Hi Keith, That's what drove me away as well... I've been poking around a little the last few months as well. Not as much juicy stuff to talk about these days. I've seen a couple of posts from John Durbin now and then... smiles, Jamie On 2006-09-09 16:25:57 -0700, keith said: Right on... I was somewhat present here from '98 to '02, but then got burnt out on Eddie induced flame wars dominating the posts. Now it seems a little hollow without them - LOL. At least they were arguing about complex issues using factual data and probably ~100 years of combined experience... |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
no, it really doesn't. -- KU40 |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
Were you around for Mark Z'z dissertation on the subject and the year
long firestorm it kicked up? Good times... KeithS KU40 wrote: no, it really doesn't. |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
So, tell me, does distortion _really_ kill speakers????
Sorry, feeling nostalgic... no, but seriously... LOL Yes, that ANCIENT debate STILL comes up from time to time. Some things will NEVER change. MOSFET |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
oh, no I wasn't. I'm not on the newsgroup, but belong to a forum that subscribes to it, so I can see the posts. But we've only had it a few months. Anything interesting I missed? -- KU40 |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
Well, it was very interesting at first - complete with formulae, charts,
bench testing, and ultimately a whole bunch of screaming and chest thumping. It was very amusing - for the first couple of weeks... If you're truly interested, do a google groups search for "distortion mark zarella" - without the quotes... I dont se the original thread, but you get a peek at a sweet flame war. anyway, not trying to dredge up muck, just looking for some interesting and challenging conversation. KeithS KU40 wrote: oh, no I wasn't. I'm not on the newsgroup, but belong to a forum that subscribes to it, so I can see the posts. But we've only had it a few months. Anything interesting I missed? |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
Anyway, I've been lurking for a week or two now, just trying to get the
feel of the current group, Ooh, I'm sorry you had to see my little tantrum at Matt. Matt and I usually get along fine (and he is a tremendous addition to RAC). For some reason I got the feeling he was going on a nit-picking jag, and I let him know it. And that started a very unpleasant exchange of Emails. I believe there is such a thing as spending TOO much time on RAC. It's easy to let other people's personalities start to get to you and vice versa; your own personality is CERTAIN to annoy some people (it's human nature). Sometimes a break is a good strategy if you feel yourself getting annoyed for any reason. Anyway, that exchange with Matt was not my finest hour. Keith, may I ask why you left RAC for several years? I know, for me, there were periods where I just completely lost interest in car audio as I became heavily involved in other hobbies (electronic music making, in particular techno). For several years in 2001-2003 I was MIA from this group. I think that is usually why people come and go. They lose interest in car audio as a hobby. Also, as people get older their priorities change. A HUGE killer SPL vehicle, while important in one's twenties, will often take a back seat to the needs of a family once the thirties are reached. I'm 38 and I try to balance both, a big system in a family SUV! MOSFET |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
Hi Keith,
Only if Eddie says it does...  smiles, Jamie On 2006-09-09 17:38:41 -0700, keith said: So, tell me, does distortion _really_ kill speakers???? Sorry, feeling nostalgic... no, but seriously... Jamie Pruden wrote: Hi Keith, That's what drove me away as well... I've been poking around a little the last few months as well. Not as much juicy stuff to talk about these days. I've seen a couple of posts from John Durbin now and then... |
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Yea, I know what you mean... on all the above. And don't worry, I think
I got the gist of the debate between you and Matt right off. You both have alot to offer the group, and I'm glad to see things mellowing out. I left for a while for many reasons. the biggest of which was a move from CA to VT - RURAL VT - and the loss of high speed internet access. It was just too annoying trying to connect and keep up. I have satalite broadband now, so things are much better  I also had a shift in priorities. I'm in my 30's as well, with a couple of kids, the wife and I both work crazy hours, and I no longer have a garage to tinker in. It wasn't that I lost interest, I just had to re-prioritize. Another thing that struck me was that at the time technology didn't seem to be growing by leaps and bounds (boy was I wrong there), and I grew tired of the same old debates over and over again. distortion, poly-fill in the box or not, which way to aim your subs, system noise, etc... Now that I'm rebuilding my system again, I've regained my interest in these issues, and suddenly feel the energy to revisit these old discussions in a new light. So, that's pretty much my story in a nutshell. For me having a nice stereo, and an installation to be proud of is a great feeling. Now, if I could only decide on my new HU!!! Talk to you soon, KeithS MOSFET wrote: Anyway, I've been lurking for a week or two now, just trying to get the feel of the current group, Ooh, I'm sorry you had to see my little tantrum at Matt. Matt and I usually get along fine (and he is a tremendous addition to RAC). For some reason I got the feeling he was going on a nit-picking jag, and I let him know it. And that started a very unpleasant exchange of Emails. I believe there is such a thing as spending TOO much time on RAC. It's easy to let other people's personalities start to get to you and vice versa; your own personality is CERTAIN to annoy some people (it's human nature). Sometimes a break is a good strategy if you feel yourself getting annoyed for any reason. Anyway, that exchange with Matt was not my finest hour. Keith, may I ask why you left RAC for several years? I know, for me, there were periods where I just completely lost interest in car audio as I became heavily involved in other hobbies (electronic music making, in particular techno). For several years in 2001-2003 I was MIA from this group. I think that is usually why people come and go. They lose interest in car audio as a hobby. Also, as people get older their priorities change. A HUGE killer SPL vehicle, while important in one's twenties, will often take a back seat to the needs of a family once the thirties are reached. I'm 38 and I try to balance both, a big system in a family SUV! MOSFET |
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Another thing that struck me was that at the time technology didn't seem
to be growing by leaps and bounds (boy was I wrong there), and I grew tired of the same old debates over and over again. distortion, poly-fill in the box or not, which way to aim your subs, system noise, etc... I know what you mean. The question NOW we get over and over and over again is "how do I connect my iPod to my stereo?". But, yes, technology HAS been changing and what you find now is that your HU can do all the things you used to need out-board processors to do (X-overs, EQ's, time-alignment, BBE, center-channel, etc.). It's wonderful for us as we now only have to worry about a HU and amps. But for newbie's, all the new features can be REALLY, REALLY confusing. Especially something like time-alignment. For someone new to car audio, they wonder "do I really NEED that?". Nick |
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Drive to Mass and slap MarkZ
Brandonb keith wrote: I left for a while for many reasons. the biggest of which was a move from CA to VT - RURAL VT - and the loss of high speed internet access. It was just too annoying trying to connect and keep up. I have satalite broadband now, so things are much better |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
keith wrote:
I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... Now my feelings are hurt. You mentioned all the old-timers 'cept me. It's enough to make a seven-footer want to cry, I tell ya. Wow, the last post I made to this newsgroup was on 9 November 1997. Just think, if I would have waited another 14 months, I could've made it an even 10 years. I'm actually surprised the USENET is still working after all these years. Anyway, to answer your question ("Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??"), this one has gone to the Seattle, WA area. I've been living here for the past seven years working as a software engineer for Amazon.com. It's a fun job and it certainly pays better (and more consistently) than the car audio industry or professional basketball ever did. I wound up marrying a Candian gal and we now have two kids--Caleb, 3 and Micah 10 mos. (http://the.kreft.net/kids/). I don't even have a radio in our Honda Odyssey presently--some bozo stole it from our vehicle on December 26, 2004 and I just can't bring myself to put the other one (sitting in my nightstand) in the vehicle only to have it ripped-off, too. So now the big DIN+1/2 hole in the dash serves as a pretty convenient holder for a big box of Kleenex (useful when you have kids) and a small umbrella (useful when you live in Seattle)...I guess that's how you know you're all old and stuff. Dan Kreft Former Terrorizer of rec.audio.car (1994? - 1997) |
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Speaking of JL folks, Manville Smith Emailed me just a couple days ago and
mentioned that he now hangs out at Carsound.com. MOSFET "GregS" wrote in message ... In article om, wrote: keith wrote: I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... Now my feelings are hurt. You mentioned all the old-timers 'cept me. It's enough to make a seven-footer want to cry, I tell ya. Wow, the last post I made to this newsgroup was on 9 November 1997. Just think, if I would have waited another 14 months, I could've made it an even 10 years. I'm actually surprised the USENET is still working after all these years. Anyway, to answer your question ("Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??"), this one has gone to the Seattle, WA area. I've been living here for the past seven years working as a software engineer for Amazon.com. It's a fun job and it certainly pays better (and more consistently) than the car audio industry or professional basketball ever did. I wound up marrying a Candian gal and we now have two kids--Caleb, 3 and Micah 10 mos. (http://the.kreft.net/kids/). I don't even have a radio in our Honda Odyssey presently--some bozo stole it from our vehicle on December 26, 2004 and I just can't bring myself to put the other one (sitting in my nightstand) in the vehicle only to have it ripped-off, too. So now the big DIN+1/2 hole in the dash serves as a pretty convenient holder for a big box of Kleenex (useful when you have kids) and a small umbrella (useful when you live in Seattle)...I guess that's how you know you're all old and stuff. Dan Kreft Former Terrorizer of rec.audio.car (1994? - 1997) and JL rep. Hello, just wanted to say hi. Where have all the rep's gone? I just looked at the JL Audio site. Noticed they have home subwoofers. greg |
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Wow man, I think I just missed you! I started lurking around the time
you left. At any rate, sorry I missed you... It's kind of funny how priorities change when kids arrive - suddenly you have to make sure you've got room for a stroller in that trunk Peace, KeithS wrote: keith wrote: I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... Now my feelings are hurt. You mentioned all the old-timers 'cept me. It's enough to make a seven-footer want to cry, I tell ya. Wow, the last post I made to this newsgroup was on 9 November 1997. Just think, if I would have waited another 14 months, I could've made it an even 10 years. I'm actually surprised the USENET is still working after all these years. Anyway, to answer your question ("Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??"), this one has gone to the Seattle, WA area. I've been living here for the past seven years working as a software engineer for Amazon.com. It's a fun job and it certainly pays better (and more consistently) than the car audio industry or professional basketball ever did. I wound up marrying a Candian gal and we now have two kids--Caleb, 3 and Micah 10 mos. (http://the.kreft.net/kids/). I don't even have a radio in our Honda Odyssey presently--some bozo stole it from our vehicle on December 26, 2004 and I just can't bring myself to put the other one (sitting in my nightstand) in the vehicle only to have it ripped-off, too. So now the big DIN+1/2 hole in the dash serves as a pretty convenient holder for a big box of Kleenex (useful when you have kids) and a small umbrella (useful when you live in Seattle)...I guess that's how you know you're all old and stuff. Dan Kreft Former Terrorizer of rec.audio.car (1994? - 1997) |
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Damn! Dan Kreft is still alive?
Personally, I still lurk from time to time. I do miss Grizz and Andy Ohnstad among many others. Eddie Runner's manic episodes were always entertaining too. I bailed on RAC in late 99' after finishing a controller for Scott Buwalda's 240SX. I actually design and manufacture industrial controllers for heavy equipment now. Go figure... Moved from Eugene, OR to Chandler, AZ in 2003. Moved back to Eugene just a few months ago. About the only thing I miss about the valley is the good restaurants, and Fry's Electronics. Chris Ott - AKA "Torroid" RAC Alumni 1996-1999 wrote in message ps.com... keith wrote: I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... Now my feelings are hurt. You mentioned all the old-timers 'cept me. It's enough to make a seven-footer want to cry, I tell ya. Wow, the last post I made to this newsgroup was on 9 November 1997. Just think, if I would have waited another 14 months, I could've made it an even 10 years. I'm actually surprised the USENET is still working after all these years. Anyway, to answer your question ("Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??"), this one has gone to the Seattle, WA area. I've been living here for the past seven years working as a software engineer for Amazon.com. It's a fun job and it certainly pays better (and more consistently) than the car audio industry or professional basketball ever did. I wound up marrying a Candian gal and we now have two kids--Caleb, 3 and Micah 10 mos. (http://the.kreft.net/kids/). I don't even have a radio in our Honda Odyssey presently--some bozo stole it from our vehicle on December 26, 2004 and I just can't bring myself to put the other one (sitting in my nightstand) in the vehicle only to have it ripped-off, too. So now the big DIN+1/2 hole in the dash serves as a pretty convenient holder for a big box of Kleenex (useful when you have kids) and a small umbrella (useful when you live in Seattle)...I guess that's how you know you're all old and stuff. Dan Kreft Former Terrorizer of rec.audio.car (1994? - 1997) |
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Christopher "Torroid" Ott wrote: Damn! Dan Kreft is still alive? Personally, I still lurk from time to time. I do miss Grizz and Andy Ohnstad among many others. Eddie Runner's manic episodes were always entertaining too. I bailed on RAC in late 99' after finishing a controller for Scott Buwalda's 240SX. I actually design and manufacture industrial controllers for heavy equipment now. Go figure... Moved from Eugene, OR to Chandler, AZ in 2003. Moved back to Eugene just a few months ago. About the only thing I miss about the valley is the good restaurants, and Fry's Electronics. Chris Ott - AKA "Torroid" RAC Alumni 1996-1999 Well isn't this a teary-eyed reunion type thing we've got going on here... |
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Personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, but I just grew up.
A lot of the fun of the whole car audio scene for me was the tinkering, the building, the electronics, the creation of the system. As I grew professionally I found other, more productive (and lucrative) outlets for those urges. I quit Law Enforcement and got a "real job" in IT. Now I drive a BMW and I don't think I could change out the head unit with a crow bar. Come to think of it, I don't really have a headunit. With the loss of the joy of the hobby I also lost my energy to argue the best methodology of setting gains on an amplifier with Eddie Runner. So, no... I'm not back. ---Andrew RAC Alumni Club Charter Member keith wrote: I'm talkin' Mark Zarella, The Lizard, Ian, Sancho, Stephen N (aka Canuck), John Durbin, Pat M, even Eddie Runner... I see references to "CAF" back in 2003... can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks, Keith |
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Personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, but I just grew up.
Well, personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, you sound pathetic. I guess all those guys who are into high-end audio gear (Conrad Johnson, Mark Levinson, Krell, Audio Research, Theta Digital, C.A.L., KEF, Sonic Frontiers, and I could go on and on), they didn't grow up either, right? You see, this is about MUSIC. Pure and simple. MUSIC, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, PERIOD. The pure, accurate reproduction of music. Music can move you. Music can make you feel wonderful on a rainy day. And it takes a GREAT system to REALLY stir your sole. It's PATHETIC you've lost your appreciation of this most wonderful gift. I truly feel sorry for you. MOSFET |
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MOSFET wrote:
Personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, but I just grew up. Well, personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, you sound pathetic. I guess all those guys who are into high-end audio gear (Conrad Johnson, Mark Levinson, Krell, Audio Research, Theta Digital, C.A.L., KEF, Sonic Frontiers, and I could go on and on), they didn't grow up either, right? You see, this is about MUSIC. Pure and simple. MUSIC, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, PERIOD. The pure, accurate reproduction of music. Music can move you. Music can make you feel wonderful on a rainy day. And it takes a GREAT system to REALLY stir your sole. It's PATHETIC you've lost your appreciation of this most wonderful gift. I truly feel sorry for you. MOSFET Holy crap, what a load of self-righteous, pandering, condescending tripe. Once again, everyone must do everything Nick's way, to Nick's approval, for Nick's reasons, or they're a waste of flesh. If you don't live up to Nick's image, you don't deserve to be alive. Get the **** over yourself, already. |
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MOSFET wrote:
Well, personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, you sound pathetic. [...snip...] It's PATHETIC you've lost your appreciation of this most wonderful gift. I truly feel sorry for you. Come on, dude, cut the guy some slack. We all go through seasons of life. I used to build model airplanes when I was a kid--I did a terrific job on them, too--I even hung them from my ceiling in action poses so I could fall asleep pretending I was surrounded by dog-fighting jets. But, as much as I loved it, I don't do it anymore because, well, I grew out of that hobby and into something else--skateboarding. I skated for quite a few years--it was not only my hobby and my sport, but also my sole means of transportation for a number of years (my left calf is 3/4" bigger than the right to this day because of this). Eventually, I "grew out of" that hobby and into something else....and so the story goes. Does that mean that I've lost my appreciation for detailed airplane models? No, not at all--I can still enjoy someone else's work and appreciate all the effort that goes into building one even if I don't care to do it myself anymore. Or does this mean that I can't appreciate what it takes to ollie up onto a park bench and grind the wood off of the seat? No, I can appreciate the skill required to do that without killing oneself, even if I don't do it myself (and even if I don't particularly care for the destruction of property attendant with 'boarding). TI also gave up mobile audio as a hobby...for reasons that are not important enough to be discussed here. I don't get back into the hobby because with a wife, two kids and a mortgage to support, my priorities have shifted. I've also learned a powerful lesson--that the more stuff you own, the more stuff owns you. I can't tell you how paranoid I was about someone breaking into my car and robbing me of thousands of dollars of "stuff" that I had bought and installed myself. Does this mean I cannot appreciate music or a system that images so well you feel like Clair Marlo is sitting in your lap? No, I think that's absolutely amazing. But ya know...as imporant to me as music is (I'm an amateur musician, too), it's just not important enough *for me* to spend my money putting that stuff in my car. The fact that I have chosen not to pursue mobile audio as a hobby says nothing about you, the industry, hobbyists or hard-core fanatics who, of their own volition, have chosen to pursue something that they truly enjoy--the pursuit of audio perfection on wheels. So if those of us who "grew out of it" as a hobby promise not to pass judgement on you for enjoying your hobby, could you agree not to pass judgement on us for not being "into it" any more? You see, this is about MUSIC. Pure and simple. MUSIC, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, PERIOD. The pure, accurate reproduction of music. Amen, brother. Long live music and the faithful reproduction thereof. Music can move you. Music can make you feel wonderful on a rainy day. And it takes a GREAT system to REALLY stir your sole. Actually, I find that my "soles" are stirred most when dunking on short people who stand between me and a basketball hoop. (Sorry, couldn't resist. :-) May distortion never find you, and may the spurrious vibrations of your chassis be forever damped. -dan |
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Batvette said it better (and a lot shorter):
"It's about the music, stupid!" JD MOSFET wrote: Personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, but I just grew up. Well, personally, and I don't mean this to be rude, you sound pathetic. I guess all those guys who are into high-end audio gear (Conrad Johnson, Mark Levinson, Krell, Audio Research, Theta Digital, C.A.L., KEF, Sonic Frontiers, and I could go on and on), they didn't grow up either, right? You see, this is about MUSIC. Pure and simple. MUSIC, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, PERIOD. The pure, accurate reproduction of music. Music can move you. Music can make you feel wonderful on a rainy day. And it takes a GREAT system to REALLY stir your sole. It's PATHETIC you've lost your appreciation of this most wonderful gift. I truly feel sorry for you. MOSFET |
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Batvette said it better (and a lot shorter):
"It's about the music, stupid!" JD That was PRECISELY my point! I suppose my response was a bit too terse, I admit. It just sounded to me like he was implying car audio was just for kids. THAT I disagree with. Car audio is FIRST AND FOREMOST about music, which I would hope you NEVER grow out of. MOSFET |
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Two posts complaining about me in a 5 minute span.
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Come on, dude, cut the guy some slack. We all go through seasons of
life. I used to build model airplanes when I was a kid--I did a terrific job on them, too--I even hung them from my ceiling in action poses I built and hung model airplanes in my room, too!!! I had a F-15, F-16, F-14, F-18, F-4 and F-86. All in 1/48th scale. I loved my planes. You're right. My response was a bit terse. However, my FIRST impression was that he was implying car audio was for kids. That was what sparked that very terse response. I STRONGLY disagree with that. Car audio is about music which most people NEVER grow out of, and if they do, I pity them. I love music dearly and I would hope I never "grow out" of music. But I understand that the "hobby" of car audio may have to take a back seat to other life-priorities. So I understand the point you were making and I agree. Nick |
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jl, hmm.does that stand for ''just laughs''. lol
or ''Just for Laughs''. had a nightmare once i had rf/jl/re/memphis car audio system....woke up sweating.... ran looked at my jvc/profile/pioneer/jensen/lanzar system... felt better......LOL..... |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
bob wald wrote:
jl, hmm.does that stand for ''just laughs''. lol or ''Just for Laughs''. had a nightmare once i had rf/jl/re/memphis car audio system....woke up sweating.... ran looked at my jvc/profile/pioneer/jensen/lanzar system... felt better......LOL..... I know what you mean. I once had a dream that a system comprised of Denon, Precision Power, MB Quart and JL Audio...I woke up feeling much the same. I ran out to my vehicle in the middle of the night and was much relieved seeing my Kraco, Sparkomatic, and Rockwood system still there. Tangentially, I must say Bob, that you are a veritable bottomless pit of wisdom and insightful comments: http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...MOqJoqdK4hA-xw It's posts like yours that keep the signal-to-noise ratio on USENET at such amazing levels. Thanks for your contribution. -dan |
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jl, i must say i am alil impressed with thier amps//but thier prices
killed that.lol you see you make the same mistakes all very lil minded kids make. comparing my brands with brands that are not good at all. i will admit..most of the brands you like are good but over priced. thats why i have the brands i have.i got a great system under $1100 new, total . not counting install n wires. no video. |
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Dan, you rock!!! You are my new god. I worship the keys you type on!!
MOSFET "D.Kreft" wrote in message oups.com... bob wald wrote: jl, hmm.does that stand for ''just laughs''. lol or ''Just for Laughs''. had a nightmare once i had rf/jl/re/memphis car audio system....woke up sweating.... ran looked at my jvc/profile/pioneer/jensen/lanzar system... felt better......LOL..... I know what you mean. I once had a dream that a system comprised of Denon, Precision Power, MB Quart and JL Audio...I woke up feeling much the same. I ran out to my vehicle in the middle of the night and was much relieved seeing my Kraco, Sparkomatic, and Rockwood system still there. Tangentially, I must say Bob, that you are a veritable bottomless pit of wisdom and insightful comments: http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...MOqJoqdK4hA-xw It's posts like yours that keep the signal-to-noise ratio on USENET at such amazing levels. Thanks for your contribution. -dan |
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Dan, also, please call me Nick. Or you can use my full name:
Metal Oxide Semiconductor Field Effect Transistor But only my mother uses this name when she's mad at me.... Nick |
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those brands you listed wouldnt last over a yr med use.. my jensen cd
going on 5 yrs now..i wouldnt trade it for your deck...lol |
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Waste of time using words of more than one syllable on good ole' Bob,
Dan. He's already flunked "f#$k off" repeatedly, doubt he'll be stepping up on "tangentially", "veritable", or "insightful". JD BTW, was that system composed of, or did it comprise? :-) D.Kreft wrote: bob wald wrote: jl, hmm.does that stand for ''just laughs''. lol or ''Just for Laughs''. had a nightmare once i had rf/jl/re/memphis car audio system....woke up sweating.... ran looked at my jvc/profile/pioneer/jensen/lanzar system... felt better......LOL..... I know what you mean. I once had a dream that a system comprised of Denon, Precision Power, MB Quart and JL Audio...I woke up feeling much the same. I ran out to my vehicle in the middle of the night and was much relieved seeing my Kraco, Sparkomatic, and Rockwood system still there. Tangentially, I must say Bob, that you are a veritable bottomless pit of wisdom and insightful comments: http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...MOqJoqdK4hA-xw It's posts like yours that keep the signal-to-noise ratio on USENET at such amazing levels. Thanks for your contribution. -dan |
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Where have all the Old Schoolers gone??
John Durbin wrote:
BTW, was that system composed of, or did it comprise? :-) Who knows? You know how crazy things get in your dreams, John. -dan |
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Ahh, this is why I can never really leave this place...
I figured that might come across as wrong, which is why I said "I don't mean this to be rude." What I was trying to say is what the ever more elliquent DKIL said perfectly for me. I used to dig spending Saturday mornings, afternoons, evenings, and quite a few midnights, with my head buried in my trunk or in my basement mixing up some fiberglass (Funny side story... when my parents died they were still living in the house I grew up in. When I went back to handle all the arrangements there was still a 2 inch circle of dried fiberglass on the basement carpet where I spilled it, 10 or 12 years ago). Today I have learned to accept that my musical reproduction in the car will be limited to what the car's manufacturer thinks is best for me. I instead spend Saturday mornings with my wife, my son, my golf game, my in-laws, my work, my students, or my home. Priorities change. Some people never allow the music to drop down in their priority list. I repeatedly had my ass kicked at IASCA shows by people 10 to 20 years my senior. Some people do. I don't mean that car audio is a juvinile persuit, I know plenty of people in their 30's who build model airplanes or cars. I just mean that my particular priorities matured over the last 10 years. As a side note, the stock system in my current car probably would score better than half the cars on the 1995 IASCA circuit. OEM has also matured, a lot, and that has a lot to do with my acceptance of it... that and the fact it's integrated to the car tighter than a virgin's daughter. ---A MOSFET wrote: Batvette said it better (and a lot shorter): "It's about the music, stupid!" JD That was PRECISELY my point! I suppose my response was a bit too terse, I admit. It just sounded to me like he was implying car audio was just for kids. THAT I disagree with. Car audio is FIRST AND FOREMOST about music, which I would hope you NEVER grow out of. MOSFET |
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First of all, let me apologize for my rudeness. That was a crass thing to
say and uncalled for. As a side note, the stock system in my current car probably would score better than half the cars on the 1995 IASCA circuit. You know, that to me says you DO still care about the SQ of your car (though, I must say, I competed in IASCA in 1995 and I have hard time imagining any of today's stock systems even approaching the system in my '95 Maxima I competed with). But clearly there's some pride there for your stock system. A pride born of listening to music. I mean, music is so important to me (it's like the air I breath) that I find my love of music and my love of the equipment that produces that music inseparable. I can't have one without the other. My life's priorities have changed as well (I'm 38, married with a family, career, etc.). And let me make this one thing clear, NOTHING is as important to me in this universe as my wife. She is my EVERYTHING, she is my world. But just as food sustains my body, I guess music sustains my soul. I guess I kind of figured anybody who would get deeply involved with this hobby would feel the same way about music. It sounds like you probably DO still enjoy music very much on your stock system. You just don't pursue car audio as a hobby. Again, I hope I NEVER lose my love of music. I hope you haven't as well. Music is such a wonderful gift. MOSFET |
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