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In the Northern Hemisphere, the Winter Solstice occurs on December 21,
2008 at 7:04 AM EST and 12:04 UT (Universal Time).

For thousands of years, people all over the Planet Earth have
celebrated the Winter Solstice, the time when the Sun returns after
the winter's cold and darkness.

In pre-Christian Northern Europe this festival was called Yule. The
celebration of Yule in Scandinavia predates the Christian holiday by
thousands of years

Winter Solstice, the time of the year when the days get longer and the
sun begins to return was truly a cause for celebration among our
ancestors in Scandinavia. Their Midwinter Feast lasted at least twelve
days (12 day of Christmas).

Most Christmas traditions are rooted deep in ancient Yule rituals,
many coming from the Vikings. Historic evidence indicates that Jesus
was not born on December 25, but in the Spring. Why is then Christmas
celebrated on December 25? A common theory is that the Christian
church designated this date as the day of Christ's birth to coincide
with the Nordic Midvinter Solstice celebrations, as well as with a
Roman midwinder fest called Saturnalia, in order to "facilitate" the
conversion of "heathens" to Christianity.

At Midwinter, or Solstice, the Vikings honored their Asa Gods with
religious rituals and feasting. They sacrificed a wild boar to Frey,
the God of fertility and farming, to assure a good growing season in
the coming year. The meat was then cooked and eaten at the feast. This
is the origin of today's Christmas ham in Scandinavia.

During the festivities they burned a giant Sunwheel, which was put on
fire and rolled down a hill to entice the Sun to return. According to
one theory, this is the origin of the Christmas wreath.

Another Viking tradition was the Yulelog, a large oak log decorated
with sprigs of fir, holly or yew. They carved runes on it, asking the
Gods to protect them from misfortune. A piece of the log was saved to
protect the home during the coming year and light next year's fire.
Today, most know the Yulelog as a cake or cheese log rolled in nuts.

Even the Christmas tree goes back to pre-Christian times. The Vikings
decorated evergreen trees with pieces of food and clothes, small
statues of the Gods, carved runes, etc., to entice the tree spirits to
come back in the spring.

Ancient myths surround the Mistletoe. The Vikings believed it could
resurrect the dead, a belief based on a legend about the resurrection
of Balder, God of Light and Goodness, who was killed by a mistletoe
arrow but resurrected when tears of his mother Frigga turned the red
mistletoe berries white.

The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

Our pre-Christian ancestors would dress up someone to represent Old
Man Winter, who was welcomed into homes to join the festivities.
Dressed in a hooded fur coat, Father Christmas traveled either by foot
or on a giant white horse. Some think that this horse may have been
Odin's horse Sleipnir and that Father Christmas was originally Odin,
who was often depicted with a long beard. When the Vikings conquered
Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries, he was introduced there and
became the English Father Christmas.

Today, Viking Yule is celebrated in reconstructed Viking Villages such
as Foteviken in Skåne and Jörvik in England, where visitors in
December can make Christmas decorations with the Vikings, listen to
Viking legends and hang their wishes in Odin's Yule Tree. Viking Yule
is also celebrated by Asatruers, who revive the old Nordic religion,
called Asatru.

Of course, our Scandinavian forefathers were not alone in celebrating
the Winter Solstice. All over the world, and throughout history,
people have celebrated the sun's return after the winter with a wide
diversity of rituals and traditions. And still are.

http://skandland.com/vikxmas.htm

I love my white ancestry!

Wassail comrades! Happy Winter Solstice to all!

[jtees4]

Merry Christmas to you too!
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jtees4 wrote:

Merry Christmas to you too!

NO, he said Yule, which is the traditional celebration in Norhern
Europe.

In Nowegian for example it's 'God Jul'. And God means 'good' btw.

Christ has NOTHING to do with the winter festival.

Graham

[DeeAa[_4_]]

On 21 joulu, 01:10, wrote:

The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

When I was a little kid, during Yule (Joulu here) we still had the old-
time goat at my granny's house.
It was rather a goat than a merry santa; and it was to be feared. It
had horns and all, and it didn't come in to meet the folks but it left
the presents in the foyer. But I still remember being very scared of
the 'demon'. One might see Santas in the city but in the country it
was different.

Granny also still did all kinds of small magic around yule tide, like
tie knots of red ribbon on the barn door etc.

The 'western' type of Xmas celebration begun to take proper hold here
in Scandinavia only in the 50's really; before that, even though Finns
had been forced to xtianity hundreds of years before, they still had a
lot of old customs surrounding the xmastime, and they lasted longer in
the rural areas.

Cheers,

Dee

[Johann Spischak]

"DeeAa" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
On 21 joulu, 01:10, wrote:

The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

When I was a little kid, during Yule (Joulu here) we still had the old-
time goat at my granny's house.
It was rather a goat than a merry santa; and it was to be feared. It
had horns and all, and it didn't come in to meet the folks but it left
the presents in the foyer. But I still remember being very scared of
the 'demon'. One might see Santas in the city but in the country it
was different.

Granny also still did all kinds of small magic around yule tide, like
tie knots of red ribbon on the barn door etc.

The 'western' type of Xmas celebration begun to take proper hold here
in Scandinavia only in the 50's really; before that, even though Finns
had been forced to xtianity hundreds of years before, they still had a
lot of old customs surrounding the xmastime, and they lasted longer in
the rural areas.

Cheers,

Dee


---pa den fjerde gir vi gaver og spise svinekjott!

Merry Yule and merry Christmas for all the rest!

Cheers, Johann

[Adams661]

On Dec 20, 3:10*pm, wrote:
In the Northern Hemisphere, the Winter Solstice occurs on December 21,
2008 at 7:04 AM EST and 12:04 UT (Universal Time).

For thousands of years, people all over the Planet Earth have
celebrated the Winter Solstice, the time when the Sun returns after
the winter's cold and darkness.

In pre-Christian Northern Europe this festival was called Yule. The
celebration of Yule in Scandinavia predates the Christian holiday by
thousands of years

Winter Solstice, the time of the year when the days get longer and the
sun begins to return was truly a cause for celebration among our
ancestors in Scandinavia. Their Midwinter Feast lasted at least twelve
days (12 day of Christmas).

Most Christmas traditions are rooted deep in ancient Yule rituals,
many coming from the Vikings. Historic evidence indicates that Jesus
was not born on December 25, but in the Spring. Why is then Christmas
celebrated on December 25? A common theory is that the Christian
church designated this date as the day of Christ's birth to coincide
with the Nordic Midvinter Solstice celebrations, as well as with a
Roman midwinder fest called Saturnalia, in order to "facilitate" the
conversion of "heathens" to Christianity.

At Midwinter, or Solstice, the Vikings honored their Asa Gods with
religious rituals and feasting. They sacrificed a wild boar to Frey,
the God of fertility and farming, to assure a good growing season in
the coming year. The meat was then cooked and eaten at the feast. This
is the origin of today's Christmas ham in Scandinavia.

During the festivities they burned a giant Sunwheel, which was put on
fire and rolled down a hill to entice the Sun to return. According to
one theory, this is the origin of the Christmas wreath.

Another Viking tradition was the Yulelog, a large oak log decorated
with sprigs of fir, holly or yew. They carved runes on it, asking the
Gods to protect them from misfortune. A piece of the log was saved to
protect the home during the coming year and light next year's fire.
Today, most know the Yulelog as a cake or cheese log rolled in nuts.

Even the Christmas tree goes back to pre-Christian times. The Vikings
decorated evergreen trees with pieces of food and clothes, small
statues of the Gods, carved runes, etc., to entice the tree spirits to
come back in the spring.

Ancient myths surround the Mistletoe. The Vikings believed it could
resurrect the dead, a belief based on a legend about the resurrection
of Balder, God of Light and Goodness, who was killed by a mistletoe
arrow but resurrected when tears of his mother Frigga turned the red
mistletoe berries white.

The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

Our pre-Christian ancestors would dress up someone to represent Old
Man Winter, who was welcomed into homes to join the festivities.
Dressed in a hooded fur coat, Father Christmas traveled either by foot
or on a giant white horse. Some think that this horse may have been
Odin's horse Sleipnir and that Father Christmas was originally Odin,
who was often depicted with a long beard. When the Vikings conquered
Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries, he was introduced there and
became the English Father Christmas.

Today, Viking Yule is celebrated in reconstructed Viking Villages such
as Foteviken in Skåne and Jörvik in England, where visitors in
December can make Christmas decorations with the Vikings, listen to
Viking legends and hang their wishes in Odin's Yule Tree. Viking Yule
is also celebrated by Asatruers, who revive the old Nordic religion,
called Asatru.

Of course, our Scandinavian forefathers were not alone in celebrating
the Winter Solstice. All over the world, and throughout history,
people have celebrated the sun's return after the winter with a wide
diversity of rituals and traditions. And still are.

http://skandland.com/vikxmas.htm

I love my white ancestry!

Wassail comrades! Happy Winter Solstice to all!


Dee. Christmas here in the states wasnt celebrated the way it is now
until about the late 40's. It should be called Macy's Department
Store Day. Things are waaay ****ed up dude

[DeeAa[_4_]]

On 21 joulu, 11:18, "Johann Spischak" wrote:
"DeeAa" schrieb im ...



On 21 joulu, 01:10, wrote:

The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

When I was a little kid, during Yule (Joulu here) we still had the old-
time goat at my granny's house.
It was rather a goat than a merry santa; and it was to be feared. It
had horns and all, and it didn't come in to meet the folks but it left
the presents in the foyer. But I still remember being very scared of
the 'demon'. One might see Santas in the city but in the country it
was different.

Granny also still did all kinds of small magic around yule tide, like
tie knots of red ribbon on the barn door etc.

The 'western' type of Xmas celebration begun to take proper hold here
in Scandinavia only in the 50's really; before that, even though Finns
had been forced to xtianity hundreds of years before, they still had a
lot of old customs surrounding the xmastime, and they lasted longer in
the rural areas.

Cheers,

Dee

---pa den fjerde gir vi gaver og spise svinekjott!

Norsk? I don't know any Norwegian but I'd venture that's at night we
give gifts and eat pock :-)
Which is what we also do :-)

Cheers,

Dee

[Adams661]

On Dec 20, 3:10*pm, wrote:
In the Northern Hemisphere, the Winter Solstice occurs on December 21,
2008 at 7:04 AM EST and 12:04 UT (Universal Time).

For thousands of years, people all over the Planet Earth have
celebrated the Winter Solstice, the time when the Sun returns after
the winter's cold and darkness.

In pre-Christian Northern Europe this festival was called Yule. The
celebration of Yule in Scandinavia predates the Christian holiday by
thousands of years

Winter Solstice, the time of the year when the days get longer and the
sun begins to return was truly a cause for celebration among our
ancestors in Scandinavia. Their Midwinter Feast lasted at least twelve
days (12 day of Christmas).

Most Christmas traditions are rooted deep in ancient Yule rituals,
many coming from the Vikings. Historic evidence indicates that Jesus
was not born on December 25, but in the Spring. Why is then Christmas
celebrated on December 25? A common theory is that the Christian
church designated this date as the day of Christ's birth to coincide
with the Nordic Midvinter Solstice celebrations, as well as with a
Roman midwinder fest called Saturnalia, in order to "facilitate" the
conversion of "heathens" to Christianity.

At Midwinter, or Solstice, the Vikings honored their Asa Gods with
religious rituals and feasting. They sacrificed a wild boar to Frey,
the God of fertility and farming, to assure a good growing season in
the coming year. The meat was then cooked and eaten at the feast. This
is the origin of today's Christmas ham in Scandinavia.

During the festivities they burned a giant Sunwheel, which was put on
fire and rolled down a hill to entice the Sun to return. According to
one theory, this is the origin of the Christmas wreath.

Another Viking tradition was the Yulelog, a large oak log decorated
with sprigs of fir, holly or yew. They carved runes on it, asking the
Gods to protect them from misfortune. A piece of the log was saved to
protect the home during the coming year and light next year's fire.
Today, most know the Yulelog as a cake or cheese log rolled in nuts.

Even the Christmas tree goes back to pre-Christian times. The Vikings
decorated evergreen trees with pieces of food and clothes, small
statues of the Gods, carved runes, etc., to entice the tree spirits to
come back in the spring.

Ancient myths surround the Mistletoe. The Vikings believed it could
resurrect the dead, a belief based on a legend about the resurrection
of Balder, God of Light and Goodness, who was killed by a mistletoe
arrow but resurrected when tears of his mother Frigga turned the red
mistletoe berries white.

The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

Our pre-Christian ancestors would dress up someone to represent Old
Man Winter, who was welcomed into homes to join the festivities.
Dressed in a hooded fur coat, Father Christmas traveled either by foot
or on a giant white horse. Some think that this horse may have been
Odin's horse Sleipnir and that Father Christmas was originally Odin,
who was often depicted with a long beard. When the Vikings conquered
Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries, he was introduced there and
became the English Father Christmas.

Today, Viking Yule is celebrated in reconstructed Viking Villages such
as Foteviken in Skåne and Jörvik in England, where visitors in
December can make Christmas decorations with the Vikings, listen to
Viking legends and hang their wishes in Odin's Yule Tree. Viking Yule
is also celebrated by Asatruers, who revive the old Nordic religion,
called Asatru.

Of course, our Scandinavian forefathers were not alone in celebrating
the Winter Solstice. All over the world, and throughout history,
people have celebrated the sun's return after the winter with a wide
diversity of rituals and traditions. And still are.

http://skandland.com/vikxmas.htm

I love my white ancestry!

Wassail comrades! Happy Winter Solstice to all!

Hey Johann. I'm as white as they come and want it to be known. I aint
your comrade motherfu--er. I'm proud of my white heritage but really
dont know why? White people always have and always will **** up
everything they touch. By all intents and purposes whites are the main
contributer to the world being in the shape it is. I dont call
destroying the very envirement we live in progress. Humans think
they're smart but still havent learned anything of value. Things that
even a child should know. Every aspect of human kinds existance on
Earth is based upon worshipping a dollar. Its all quite sickening
actually. When the Earth gets tired of the blood sucking fleas on its
back it'll shake em all off and go on abouts its buisness. Calling
humans fleas is actually more than what we really all are

[Johann Spischak]

"DeeAa" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...

---pa den fjerde gir vi gaver og spise svinekjott!

Norsk? I don't know any Norwegian but I'd venture that's at night we
give gifts and eat pock :-)
Which is what we also do :-)

Cheers,

Dee


Exactly! And this is the exact change of traditions with your other folk-relatives, who eat pork the whole year except christmas, when we eat fish!

Nagyon boldog karácsonyt és boldog, sikeres új évet kívánok neked, kedves Dee:-)

Wich should be (says my son): Erittäin hyvää joulua ja onnellista ja menestyksekästä uutta vuotta, toivotan teille mieluummin Dee :-)

Cheers!

[[email protected]]

On Dec 20, 6:10*pm, wrote:

Wassail comrades! Happy Winter Solstice to all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQFLqMyo0fo

-d

[[email protected]]

In misc.survivalism yowie wrote:

Trying to recover Xian or pagan cultural significance is
perhaps noble but ultimately futile, at least in the colonies.

I disagree. The Christer nutcases are on the run. We need to take back
the solstice celebration so that all can participate.

For example, a wreath on the door with a red bow is NOT a Christmas
decoration. A fir tree inside with lights is NOT a Christmas decoration.

MOre and mre normal people are learning this.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

[White Spirit]

Adams661 wrote:

Hey Johann. I'm as white as they come and want it to be known. I aint
your comrade motherfu--er. I'm proud of my white heritage but really
dont know why? White people always have and always will **** up
everything they touch.

Speak for yourself, Keith.

[Les Cargill]

DeeAa wrote:
On 21 joulu, 01:10, wrote:
The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

When I was a little kid, during Yule (Joulu here) we still had the old-
time goat at my granny's house.
It was rather a goat than a merry santa; and it was to be feared. It
had horns and all, and it didn't come in to meet the folks but it left
the presents in the foyer. But I still remember being very scared of
the 'demon'. One might see Santas in the city but in the country it
was different.

Granny also still did all kinds of small magic around yule tide, like
tie knots of red ribbon on the barn door etc.

The 'western' type of Xmas celebration begun to take proper hold here
in Scandinavia only in the 50's really; before that, even though Finns
had been forced to xtianity hundreds of years before, they still had a
lot of old customs surrounding the xmastime, and they lasted longer in
the rural areas.

Cheers,

Dee


Kewl. Do you guys get Metalocolypse over there? There's a lot
of Scandanavian "old religion" overtones to its imagery and
plot.

--
Les Cargill

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:51:51 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:

In misc.survivalism yowie wrote:

Trying to recover Xian or pagan cultural significance is perhaps noble
but ultimately futile, at least in the colonies.

I disagree. The Christer nutcases are on the run. We need to take back
the solstice celebration so that all can participate.

One local has that idea down pat, he is picketing local christer houses
on Sunday with a sign that says, "Jesus Was A Fag".

Pretty aggressive, hope he's well trained in martial arts...

For example, a wreath on the door with a red bow is NOT a Christmas
decoration. A fir tree inside with lights is NOT a Christmas
decoration.

MOre and mre normal people are learning this.

s/normal/sane

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[Strabo]

Johann Spischak wrote:
"DeeAa" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
On 21 joulu, 01:10, wrote:
The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).
When I was a little kid, during Yule (Joulu here) we still had the old-
time goat at my granny's house.
It was rather a goat than a merry santa; and it was to be feared. It
had horns and all, and it didn't come in to meet the folks but it left
the presents in the foyer. But I still remember being very scared of
the 'demon'. One might see Santas in the city but in the country it
was different.

Granny also still did all kinds of small magic around yule tide, like
tie knots of red ribbon on the barn door etc.

The 'western' type of Xmas celebration begun to take proper hold here
in Scandinavia only in the 50's really; before that, even though Finns
had been forced to xtianity hundreds of years before, they still had a
lot of old customs surrounding the xmastime, and they lasted longer in
the rural areas.

Cheers,

Dee


---pa den fjerde gir vi gaver og spise svinekjott!

Merry Yule and merry Christmas for all the rest!

Cheers, Johann


Thanks!

[Strabo]

Les Cargill wrote:
DeeAa wrote:
On 21 joulu, 01:10, wrote:
The Yule Goat, is one of the oldest Scandinavian Christmas symbols.
Its origin is the legend about the Thunder-god Thor who rode in the
sky in a wagon pulled by two goats. An old custom was for young people
to dress up in goat skins and go from house to house and sing and
perform simple plays. They were rewarded with food and drink. The Yule
Goat at one time also brought Yule gifts. This character was later
replaced with "jultomten" (Santa Claus).

When I was a little kid, during Yule (Joulu here) we still had the old-
time goat at my granny's house.
It was rather a goat than a merry santa; and it was to be feared. It
had horns and all, and it didn't come in to meet the folks but it left
the presents in the foyer. But I still remember being very scared of
the 'demon'. One might see Santas in the city but in the country it
was different.

Granny also still did all kinds of small magic around yule tide, like
tie knots of red ribbon on the barn door etc.

The 'western' type of Xmas celebration begun to take proper hold here
in Scandinavia only in the 50's really; before that, even though Finns
had been forced to xtianity hundreds of years before, they still had a
lot of old customs surrounding the xmastime, and they lasted longer in
the rural areas.

Cheers,

Dee


Kewl. Do you guys get Metalocolypse over there? There's a lot
of Scandanavian "old religion" overtones to its imagery and
plot.


The members of Dethklok are portrayed as generally sociopathic and inept
in all things non-musical except for negotiating their own contracts.
They have an unconcerned, apathetic, and often oblivious attitude toward
the violence that occurs around them—they even approve of or are
artistically pleased by death or mayhem, in that the band members share
an obsession with the dark and morbid, often choosing whether or not to
do something based on how "brutal" or "metal" they believe it to be. The
band members also have a great love of money, and are wasteful and
unappreciative with material possessions. The band is shown to care very
little about how they spend their money just as long as they have it.
All members of the group suffer from extreme alcoholism, and references
to drug use are not uncommon; Pickles is the worst offender among them.
They are clueless about the real world and have self-esteem issues which
manifest through various behaviors and surface to varying degrees during
the show. All members are also shown to have repressed issues with their
families which greatly affect their emotional state and psychological
health, and which drives their underlying "creative rage" which they
express through their metal music. They all display a discomfort with
emotional intimacy and maintain a repressed loathing for each other
through the use of insulting comments and demeaning jokes. Despite this,
they have an insular and notably codependent relationship with each
other, rarely spending time apart or making decisions on their own.

....more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalocolypse


--
Les Cargill