[Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~]

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

[David Gravereaux]

On 12/16/2011 12:56 PM, Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~


CountryMan DI. The drummer can make you as loud as he wants in his cans

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[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~


A DI is almost always the perfect bass amp. Since you don't have
a long-standing relationship with a bass amp that's "part of
your sound", do that.

--
Les Cargill

[Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~]

On Dec 16, 10:05*pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
* I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK *but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

A DI is almost always the perfect bass amp. Since you don't have
a long-standing relationship with a bass amp that's "part of
your sound", do that.

--
Les Cargill

I've been going DI forever but I was hoping to utilize a nice sounding
room that I have and looking for a sound I might have found in a Boz
Scaggs or jackson browwne song. - But thanks to both you and David for
taking the time to answer.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
On Dec 16, 10:05 pm, Les wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

A DI is almost always the perfect bass amp. Since you don't have
a long-standing relationship with a bass amp that's "part of
your sound", do that.

--
Les Cargill

I've been going DI forever but I was hoping to utilize a nice sounding
room that I have and looking for a sound I might have found in a Boz
Scaggs or jackson browwne song. - But thanks to both you and David for
taking the time to answer.

I have the DVD of Neil Young's "Prairie Wind". The bass player is Rick
Rojas. The amp is an Ampeg B15 ( doubtless vintage ). The room is
the Ryman.

It still sounds a lot like they ran a lot of DI on the main mix.

--
Les Cargill

[Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~]

On Dec 16, 10:32*pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:









On Dec 16, 10:05 pm, Les *wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
* *I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK *but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

A DI is almost always the perfect bass amp. Since you don't have
a long-standing relationship with a bass amp that's "part of
your sound", do that.

--
Les Cargill

I've been going DI forever but I was hoping to utilize a nice sounding
room that I have and looking for a sound I might have found in a Boz
Scaggs or jackson browwne song. - But thanks to both you and David for
taking the time to answer.

I have the DVD of Neil Young's "Prairie Wind". The bass player is Rick
Rojas. The amp is an Ampeg B15 ( doubtless vintage ). The room is
the Ryman.

It still sounds a lot like they ran a lot of DI on the main mix.

--
Les Cargill
I use to run a bass DI and take a mic too then mix the two to taste
later. Yes, the old ampeg amps are great. I might need to break down
and cough up the money for one.

[PStamler]

Y'all are going to laugh at this, but I've had very good luck with a
1970s-era Fender Deluxe amp, with its speaker disconnected and a good
8-ohm bass cab plugged into the speaker jack instead. At low levels it
sounds warm and wonderful. (But still double-record with a DI.)

Peace,
Paul

[bob[_5_]]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:25:09 -0800 (PST), "Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~"
wrote:

I use to run a bass DI and take a mic too then mix the two to taste
later. Yes, the old ampeg amps are great. I might need to break down
and cough up the money for one.

I have a 70s V4B and it's amazing. I got it for 150 bucks, but it
needed a lot of work... always seems to be a few around on craigslist
etc. I run it through a bag end 15 inch and together they're the best
things I own...

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Les Cargill wrote:

Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or
J bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings
on it)
I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as
the budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't
really play bass much for anything other then a track here and
there. I don't want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

A DI is almost always the perfect bass amp. Since you don't have
a long-standing relationship with a bass amp that's "part of
your sound", do that.

Best bass heard as yet, it was in that period: bassguitar, some preamp,
Crown D150, JBL D130 in a big box. My preferred bass (the box was too big
for easy road use): JBL K140 in 2.5 cubic feet classic bass reflex, one
loudspeaker only and something 60-100 watts to power it. Doesn't take a lot
of room on the stage, doesn't play durn loud and records well with a
microphone sensibly placed in front of the bass cabinet.

DI's are in my opinion an imaging problem in a live or recording mix, be it
live location or live remote. But them ... I'm a purist and a luddite ....
and would perhaps record the amplifier output in parallel via a resistive
attenuator given enough tracks if I were to record "noisy music" again.

NOTE: JBL for some reason discouraged use of anything but the K145 for bass
guitar back then and their GP recommendation for "instrument use" was
something to the effect of divide power rating by 2 or 3.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[david gourley[_2_]]

PStamler said...news:3c9a782c-861e-463e-b7de-
:

Y'all are going to laugh at this, but I've had very good luck with a
1970s-era Fender Deluxe amp, with its speaker disconnected and a good
8-ohm bass cab plugged into the speaker jack instead. At low levels it
sounds warm and wonderful. (But still double-record with a DI.)

Peace,
Paul


I certainly won't laugh - I've done the same although I used the internal
speaker since tracking volume was so low and it was in a booth. I used an
MXR Distortion + set at minimum effect just to get some 'bite' out of the
bass, and it was an awesome, full sound from that Deluxe !

david

[hank alrich]

PStamler wrote:

Y'all are going to laugh at this, but I've had very good luck with a
1970s-era Fender Deluxe amp, with its speaker disconnected and a good
8-ohm bass cab plugged into the speaker jack instead. At low levels it
sounds warm and wonderful. (But still double-record with a DI.)

I'm not going to laugh at that at all. Been there and done that with a
Princeton (!) and a 4 x 10 Traynor bass cab. Easy to dial up a lovely
sound at low SPL's, from pretty clean to fairly dirty, and always
admirably full-sounding.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri

[[email protected]]

On 2011-12-17 (hankalrich) said:
Y'all are going to laugh at this, but I've had very good luck
with a 1970s-era Fender Deluxe amp, with its speaker disconnected
and a good 8-ohm bass cab plugged into the speaker jack instead.
At low levels it sounds warm and wonderful. (But still
double-record with a DI.)
I'm not going to laugh at that at all. Been there and done that
with a Princeton (!) and a 4 x 10 Traynor bass cab. Easy to dial up
a lovely sound at low SPL's, from pretty clean to fairly dirty, and
always admirably full-sounding.

Indeed, I won't laugh a bit. The Fender bassman 50 always
sounded good. AS I commented from my preferred usenet
posting facility, which didn't propagate hoping he finds
anotehr news server I used to use a Peavey TNT with the
single 15. I didn't have to get to obnoxious spl to get a
good bass tone. I was playing a Fender jazz with round
wounds. For both live adn the studio I used to always feed
foh a mic on the amp, and a di.

A drummer I worked with sometimes wanted more volume back in
drum world than I was willing to put out, solved that
problem by bringing two of those amps to gigs in larger
venues, put one on each side of him, feed 'em both, let one
blow right at him and he was a happy camper.

I'm trying to think of that di Fletcher liked so much for
bass. Heard one at a studio I was working with
occasionally, just one session and dug it, but the
nomenclature is escaping me right now.



Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider

[hank alrich]

wrote:

On 2011-12-17 (hankalrich) said:
Y'all are going to laugh at this, but I've had very good luck
with a 1970s-era Fender Deluxe amp, with its speaker disconnected
and a good 8-ohm bass cab plugged into the speaker jack instead.
At low levels it sounds warm and wonderful. (But still
double-record with a DI.)
I'm not going to laugh at that at all. Been there and done that
with a Princeton (!) and a 4 x 10 Traynor bass cab. Easy to dial up
a lovely sound at low SPL's, from pretty clean to fairly dirty, and
always admirably full-sounding.

Indeed, I won't laugh a bit. The Fender bassman 50 always
sounded good. AS I commented from my preferred usenet
posting facility, which didn't propagate hoping he finds
anotehr news server I used to use a Peavey TNT with the
single 15. I didn't have to get to obnoxious spl to get a
good bass tone. I was playing a Fender jazz with round
wounds. For both live adn the studio I used to always feed
foh a mic on the amp, and a di.

A drummer I worked with sometimes wanted more volume back in
drum world than I was willing to put out, solved that
problem by bringing two of those amps to gigs in larger
venues, put one on each side of him, feed 'em both, let one
blow right at him and he was a happy camper.

I'm trying to think of that di Fletcher liked so much for
bass. Heard one at a studio I was working with
occasionally, just one session and dug it, but the
nomenclature is escaping me right now.

While I know a terrific and somewhat famous bass player who disagrees, I
had an Evil Twin for a while, and that may be the one Fletcher liked,
too. It was outstanding for very many sound things, from DI'ing
instruments, to use as my guitar preamp.

I sold it when I began to travel to play again, because it was too large
and too heavy for one at my pay grade to cart around.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri

[--D-y]

On Dec 16, 10:13*pm, "Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~"
wrote:
On Dec 16, 10:05*pm, Les Cargill wrote:

(Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote):
For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
* I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK *but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

(LG responded):
A DI is almost always the perfect bass amp. Since you don't have
a long-standing relationship with a bass amp that's "part of
your sound", do that.

(Danny replied):
I've been going DI forever but I was hoping to utilize a nice sounding
room that I have and looking for a sound I might have found in a Boz
Scaggs or jackson browwne song. - But thanks to both you and David for
taking the time to answer.

Ampeg B50R. 50 SS watts, no tubes to futz with, small and light but
still a "real amp" (not a mini "practice amp"). Has an un-ported Blue
Diamond cabinet, 12" speaker, four tone controls (two mids, upper/
lower, bass, treble) and a picture of an R-is-for-Rocket on it.

Very nice (opinion) retro "blump" at low-to-moderate volume levels,
just about right to fill a small-to-medium room without blasting.

Other tone testimonials, FWIW:
http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/82708

I paid $160 for a v. nice example, local Craigslist sale. Yes, I'd
like to have my old B15N club amp back (or better, one of the late B15
reissues-- "yeah, baby!") but this one will do nicely for my home use,
and no sour grapes here.

Ampeg made a B100R, also. Those are good, and make a nice sound but
have a ported cabinet (15" speaker) which lacks some of the B50's warm
tone, by direct comparison and opinion. Worth a look if you see one
available, as are the Ampeg BA series amps, which come in 12" and 15"
speaker varieties and have a more modern "dashboard" than the B50/100R
amps. Have seen the BA's offered at around $200, similar to the B50R.
--D-y

[Tom Jancauskas]

in article
, Danny
~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ at wrote on 12/16/11 2:56 PM:

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~


I am very happy with the Ampeg B200 that I got a few years ago. It has a
tube preamp stage.The DI sounds good as well as the amp. It reminds me a bit
of my SVT and of a B-15 portaflex. It has a 15" speaker.

I am running a Lakland Bob Glaub P bass with flatwounds.

I don't know about any of the other Ampegs so YMMV.

-Tom
--
Tom Jancauskas
Imedia
imediarecording.com
630.443.6858

[[email protected]]

On 2011-12-17 (hankalrich) said:
I'm trying to think of that di Fletcher liked so much for
bass. Heard one at a studio I was working with
occasionally, just one session and dug it, but the
nomenclature is escaping me right now.
While I know a terrific and somewhat famous bass player who
disagrees, I had an Evil Twin for a while, and that may be the one
Fletcher liked, too. It was outstanding for very many sound things,
from DI'ing instruments, to use as my guitar preamp.

That's the one! I liked that, I used his on a couple
different things such as that when he left it around the
studio for that few days we were working with him.
i wanted one badly.

I sold it when I began to travel to play again, because it was too
large and too heavy for one at my pay grade to cart around.
That didn't worry me so much. I liked it! I just couldn't
find the $$$ to buy it before i moved to NEw ORleans, and
then other things claimed my money and it was "on the list"
somewhere, in fact some good dis were next up on the agenda
when Katrina hit me.






Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider

[Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~]

On Dec 17, 12:06*pm, Tom Jancauskas wrote:
in article
, Danny
~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ at wrote on 12/16/11 2:56 PM:

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or J
bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings on
it)
*I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK *but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as the
budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't really
play bass much for anything other then a track here and there. I don't
want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

I am very happy with the Ampeg B200 that I got a few years ago. It has a
tube preamp stage.The DI sounds good as well as the amp. It reminds me a bit
of my SVT and of a B-15 portaflex. It has a 15" speaker.

I am running a Lakland Bob Glaub P bass with flatwounds.

I don't know about any of the other Ampegs so YMMV.

-Tom
--
Tom Jancauskas
Imedia
imediarecording.com
630.443.6858

Thanks for all the suggestions. I bought an old fender bassman and
I'll pick up an ampeg after Christmas too. sounds like I won't go
wrong.....

[Arkansan Raider]

Peter Larsen wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:

Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:

For the purpose of recording (therefore, good sound at a lower
volume), and with a lower budget in mind, what are the best choices
for a good 70's classic rock bass amp to be coupled to a fender P or
J bass using flat wounds. (My J bass has black nylon labelle strings
on it)
I'm a piano player/guitar player first. I play bass OK but never
look at this stuff since it is always the after thought. As far as
the budget goes - I really don't have any limits other then I don't
really play bass much for anything other then a track here and
there. I don't want to go overboard on an amp for that.

Thanks in advance for your help~

A DI is almost always the perfect bass amp. Since you don't have
a long-standing relationship with a bass amp that's "part of
your sound", do that.

Best bass heard as yet, it was in that period: bassguitar, some preamp,
Crown D150, JBL D130 in a big box. My preferred bass (the box was too big
for easy road use): JBL K140 in 2.5 cubic feet classic bass reflex, one
loudspeaker only and something 60-100 watts to power it. Doesn't take a lot
of room on the stage, doesn't play durn loud and records well with a
microphone sensibly placed in front of the bass cabinet.

DI's are in my opinion an imaging problem in a live or recording mix, be it
live location or live remote. But them ... I'm a purist and a luddite ....
and would perhaps record the amplifier output in parallel via a resistive
attenuator given enough tracks if I were to record "noisy music" again.

NOTE: JBL for some reason discouraged use of anything but the K145 for bass
guitar back then and their GP recommendation for "instrument use" was
something to the effect of divide power rating by 2 or 3.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen


Guys, I'm curious about something: Might this kind of thing sound well
on a cappella rhythm bass? Obviously, short of going all Matrix on it,
there's not gonna' be a DI connection, but what about adding a bass rig
to the normal hand-held mic setup?

This thread kinda' had me brainstorming on some variation of: mic to
board/board to bass rig/mic'd bass rig to board.

Does this make sense for a different sound in a recording studio? (I'm
not sure of the value it would have in concert, given possible feedback
issues, but it might be manageable in the studio.)

Thoughts?

---Jeff

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Arkansan Raider wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote:

[suggestions on usable rigs for a fender bass]

Guys, I'm curious about something: Might this kind of thing sound well
on a cappella rhythm bass?

No.

Get quality microphones - be it one mic only on the ensemble or one mic each
member, do NOT fall into the proximity boost trap, and put a PROPERLY
adjusted (pairs of) subwoofers on the rig even if vox only. A proper
adjusted subwoofer is c h a r a c t e r i z e d by not being seperately
audible on male vox.

Thoughts?

Thought! - good question!

---Jeff

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[[email protected]]

The SVT pre can be separated from its power amp if an appropriate
power supply is constructed or a power amp is tapped off. Any hi-fi or
PA amp can be used or you can go into a guitar amp via the reverb
return or FX loop in. And building a clone of the SVT pre is not all
that challenging.

Food for thought.