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On Jan 31, 10:59 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 31, 8:31 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Then we have John Atkinson's childish antics on RAO, his own angry, ugly and childish outbursts... it's odd that Google can't retrieve any of these "antics" and "outbursts." Been there John, done that... Not really, Mr. Krueger, as you couldn't find or give any references to so-called "childish antics" and "childish outbursts" the last time I asked you to substantiate your little trolls. Or the time before that. Or the time before that... And again I ask you, _what_ "behind-the-scenes" activities of mine are you referring to? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#562
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On Jan 31, 9:48 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
Google shows a varying size of Mercedes collection for Atkinson... Why is what car I choose to drive even a matter of concern to you, Mr. Krueger? That you even care is somewhat creepy. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#563
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, John Atkinson wrote: On Jan 31, 10:59 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in m On Jan 31, 8:31 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Then we have John Atkinson's childish antics on RAO, his own angry, ugly and childish outbursts... it's odd that Google can't retrieve any of these "antics" and "outbursts." Been there John, done that... Not really, Mr. Krueger, as you couldn't find or give any references ... Sounds familiar. |
#564
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Jenn said: Not really, Mr. Krueger, as you couldn't find or give any references ... Sounds familiar. As if you have a "debating trade" license. LOl! LOt"S! ;-) |
#565
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John Atkinson said: Google shows a varying size of Mercedes collection for Atkinson... Why is what car I choose to drive even a matter of concern to you, Mr. Krueger? That you even care is somewhat creepy. Pastor Krooborg is merely preparing his next sermon against the evil that is Stereophile. Krooger will preach that a true audiophile doesn't care about finery and the trappings of luxury. His drives home his point by pointing at the your profligacy in acquiring expensive automobiles. The True Path of Righteousness entails eschewing the Devil's temptations and instead furnishing the proper anti-E.H.E.E. tools for innocent audiophile children. How many aBxism boxes have you distributed to innocent audiophile children, John? Therein lies your shame. |
#566
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"Jenn" wrote in
message In article , John Atkinson wrote: On Jan 31, 10:59 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in m On Jan 31, 8:31 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Then we have John Atkinson's childish antics on RAO, his own angry, ugly and childish outbursts... it's odd that Google can't retrieve any of these "antics" and "outbursts." Been there John, done that... Not really, Mr. Krueger, as you couldn't find or give any references ... Sounds familiar. Yes, I do get tired of trying to squeeze honesty out of people who have made a life out of lying to themselves and others. |
#567
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"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 31, 9:48 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Google shows a varying size of Mercedes collection for Atkinson... Why is what car I choose to drive even a matter of concern to you, Mr. Krueger? That you even care is somewhat creepy. One of these days John you'll be come self-aware enough to realize that you too make comments for the purpose of effect, when you really care very little about them. Or maybe not. ;-) |
#568
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , John Atkinson wrote: On Jan 31, 10:59 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in . co m On Jan 31, 8:31 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Then we have John Atkinson's childish antics on RAO, his own angry, ugly and childish outbursts... it's odd that Google can't retrieve any of these "antics" and "outbursts." Been there John, done that... Not really, Mr. Krueger, as you couldn't find or give any references ... Sounds familiar. Yes, I do get tired of trying to squeeze honesty out of people who have made a life out of lying to themselves and others. Indeed, that can be difficult. For example: "Jenn, you're a liar." "Prove it: show a lie that I've told." Followed by no proof. Or, "Then we have Jon Atkinson's childish antics on RAO, his own angry, ugly and childish outbursts.." "Show us." Followed by no proof. The silence is deafening. |
#569
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On Jan 31, 7:31*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Oliver Costich" wrote in messagenews:m5u2q3l7obe0e5hjn0jksfnvv8pdno4ppa@4ax .com On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:49:47 -0800 (PST), "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Jan 30, 10:48 am, Oliver Costich wrote: wrote: On Jan 28, 10:55 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Jan 28, 11:50 pm, "ScottW" wrote: Actually, while Arny might be willing to argue preference at times... the real issue of DBTs is audibility. Sure it is. As I've always said, researchers and factories should do them. What about equipment reviewers? Aren't they doing a bit of comparative research? I think that would be a value added and a significant credibility enhancer. You have this odd situation where thousands of people base their purchase decisions on articles written by these high end reviewers, and yet the reviewers and publishers want to hide behind the fact that these articles are just one man's opinion. Hiding? Why, I'm sure they're cowering in fear! GOIA is on the case! Only in so far as they provide measurements. The rest of the review is one man's opinion, like a movie review. It's entertainment, not research. In the opinons of many, it is a flim-flam act, designed to sell equipment for premium prices based on premium performance that is just an illusion. People still send money to televangelists in buckets, GOIA, and far more than all of the high-end audio segment grosses in its entirety. Does this bother you? Are you on any religious groups decrying the "flim-flam"? Some here are not able to see that distinction. They like to whine about how "dishonest" and "lacking integrity" those equipment reviewers are because they do not to the DBTs that some here demand. Nice trashing of the truth. The desire for DBTs is more than just idle demands, it is something that has been put into action on many occasiions. A recent example of this is a JAES article that shows that major so-called technological advances including DVD-A and SACD simply have no reliably perceptible benefits. Was this done by researchers? Factories? Or just somebody interested in performing the tests? DBTs have a place, GOIA. It just isn't at the average hobbyist level. Compare and contrast that JAES article, scientific and peer-reviewed, to all of the contrary opinion and pseudo-scientific testing that has been published in the high end press. If I was interested in that topic I would. They may not be dishonest but they aren't worth much either. You have to see it for yourself, like a movie. Been there, done that. Goody for you. |
#570
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Green Pen Purgatory?
"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 31, 10:28 am, "Norman M. Schwartz" wrote: Was it a _Stereophile_ writer that came up with the green pen suggestion? As best as I can remember, it was Victor Tiscareno, now in charge of Apple's audio engineering department. Talk about wrenching changes. In his salad days Victor Tiscareno worked for AudioPrism and Mark Levinson's Red Rose. AFAIK the Apple audio product with his name on it is the so-called "Ipod HiFi". This is a small vented box containing 3 tiny direct radiator speakers, and powered by 6 D-cells. It is not clear from Apple's technical data whether the 6 D-cells it ships with have been enhanced with green pen lines or not. ;-) Folks, we're talking mono bass and stereo by means of so-called full-range drivers. At first blush, I expected it to be a Bose product. I kid you not! |
#571
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On Jan 31, 9:09*am, John Atkinson wrote:
On Jan 31, 8:31 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Then we have John Atkinson's childish antics on RAO, his own angry, ugly and childish outbursts... Oh dear *:-( But it's odd that Google can't retrieve any of these "antics" and "outbursts." ... and behind-the-scenes antics. Ah yes, Arny Krueger's conspiracy theories raise their paranoid head. _What_ *"behind-the-scenes antics," Mr. Krueger? :-) Even I know this one, JA: you deliberately sabotage PowerPoint presentatiions. |
#572
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On Jan 30, 10:17*pm, "ScottW" wrote:
Next ssshhhtard long harangue I bother to read in entirety. 20012. You just don't understand what I have to say, 2pid. That's because I use "words" and know their "meaning". lol Lol LoL lOl LOL! |
#573
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On Jan 31, 12:53 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 31, 9:48 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Google shows a varying size of Mercedes collection for Atkinson... Why is what car I choose to drive even a matter of concern to you, Mr. Krueger? That you even care is somewhat creepy. One of these days John you'll be come self-aware enough to realize that you too make comments for the purpose of effect, when you really care very little about them. So you posted these messages about the cars I drive "for the purpose of effect," Mr. Krueger? Did it have the desired effect? You really do have too much time on your hands, I guess, if you care to post such trolls. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#574
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"Jenn" wrote in
message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Yes, I do get tired of trying to squeeze honesty out of people who have made a life out of lying to themselves and others. Indeed, that can be difficult. For example: "Jenn, you're a liar." "Prove it: show a lie that I've told." A query that I've responded to before with adequate proof, and that you just shrugged off. It's either just Jenn trolling, or its Jenn being her usual out-of-touch-with-herself self. Jenn, prove that I've sloughed off every such request. If you can't do that, together with this powe we have more proof that you're up to your usual deceptive activities. |
#575
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"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 31, 12:53 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 31, 9:48 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Google shows a varying size of Mercedes collection for Atkinson... Why is what car I choose to drive even a matter of concern to you, Mr. Krueger? That you even care is somewhat creepy. One of these days John you'll be come self-aware enough to realize that you too make comments for the purpose of effect, when you really care very little about them. So you posted these messages about the cars I drive "for the purpose of effect," Mr. Krueger? Doooh! Did it have the desired effect? yup! ;-) You really do have too much time on your hands, I guess, if you care to post such trolls. People who respond to such trolls, and then whine about people who have the time to waste making such trolls, have serious self-awareness problems. |
#576
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Yes, I do get tired of trying to squeeze honesty out of people who have made a life out of lying to themselves and others. Indeed, that can be difficult. For example: "Jenn, you're a liar." "Prove it: show a lie that I've told." A query that I've responded to before with adequate proof, and that you just shrugged off. No, you keep saying that you have, but you never have. Jenn, prove that I've sloughed off every such request. OK: You've never posted an example of me lying, and you haven't posted proof of JA's "angry, ugly, and childish" outbursts. There, that was easy. |
#577
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message On Jan 31, 12:53 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in m On Jan 31, 9:48 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Google shows a varying size of Mercedes collection for Atkinson... Why is what car I choose to drive even a matter of concern to you, Mr. Krueger? That you even care is somewhat creepy. One of these days John you'll be come self-aware enough to realize that you too make comments for the purpose of effect, when you really care very little about them. So you posted these messages about the cars I drive "for the purpose of effect," Mr. Krueger? Doooh! Did it have the desired effect? yup! ;-) You really do have too much time on your hands, I guess, if you care to post such trolls. People who respond to such trolls, and then whine about people who have the time to waste making such trolls, have serious self-awareness problems. Well, "at least" you admit that you are trolling. |
#578
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On Jan 31, 6:06*am, John Atkinson wrote:
On Jan 30, 11:00 pm, "ScottW" wrote: *It would appear based on internet groups and various forums that a large number not only don't appreciate what you do, but despise it. Oh dear. :-( Don't worry. It's only 2pid. |
#579
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message ... On Jan 31, 10:28 am, "Norman M. Schwartz" wrote: Was it a _Stereophile_ writer that came up with the green pen suggestion? As best as I can remember, it was Victor Tiscareno, now in charge of Apple's audio engineering department. I couldn't find his name by searching Stereophile's website, therefore I assume he was never a contributor to the Magazine. Be that so, then unlike the Armor All story which IIRC did originate in the magazine, the green pen bit hasn't got any bearing on whether or not Stereophile is 'entertaining'. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#580
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"Jenn" wrote in
message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Yes, I do get tired of trying to squeeze honesty out of people who have made a life out of lying to themselves and others. Indeed, that can be difficult. For example: "Jenn, you're a liar." "Prove it: show a lie that I've told." A query that I've responded to before with adequate proof, and that you just shrugged off. No, you keep saying that you have, but you never have. Jenn, prove that I've sloughed off every such request. OK: You've never posted an example of me lying, and you haven't posted proof of JA's "angry, ugly, and childish" outbursts. There, that was easy. Way to hard for nothing, which is what you have proven. OK Jenn, now we have good reason to doubt something about you, either your sincerity, understanding of what constitutes proof, or basic intelligence. |
#581
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"Jenn" wrote in
message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in message On Jan 31, 12:53 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in m On Jan 31, 9:48 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Google shows a varying size of Mercedes collection for Atkinson... Why is what car I choose to drive even a matter of concern to you, Mr. Krueger? That you even care is somewhat creepy. One of these days John you'll be come self-aware enough to realize that you too make comments for the purpose of effect, when you really care very little about them. So you posted these messages about the cars I drive "for the purpose of effect," Mr. Krueger? Doooh! Did it have the desired effect? yup! ;-) You really do have too much time on your hands, I guess, if you care to post such trolls. People who respond to such trolls, and then whine about people who have the time to waste making such trolls, have serious self-awareness problems. Well, "at least" you admit that you are trolling. I claim that I've even occasionaly raised trolling to a fairly productive level. I think that Usenet should keep a gallery of people who have trolled Usenet for valuable consideration, such as an expenses-paid trip to NYC. |
#582
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Blind Cable Test at CES
"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 31, 10:59 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "John Atkinson" wrote in On Jan 31, 8:31 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Then we have John Atkinson's childish antics on RAO, his own angry, ugly and childish outbursts... it's odd that Google can't retrieve any of these "antics" and "outbursts." Been there John, done that... Not really, Mr. Krueger, as you couldn't find or give any references to so-called "childish antics" and "childish outbursts" the last time I asked you to substantiate your little trolls. Or the time before that. Or the time before that... And again I ask you, _what_ "behind-the-scenes" activities of mine are you referring to? Can't say here, because then they wouldn't be behind-the-scenes. ;-) |
#583
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . net In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: Yes, I do get tired of trying to squeeze honesty out of people who have made a life out of lying to themselves and others. Indeed, that can be difficult. For example: "Jenn, you're a liar." "Prove it: show a lie that I've told." A query that I've responded to before with adequate proof, and that you just shrugged off. No, you keep saying that you have, but you never have. Jenn, prove that I've sloughed off every such request. OK: You've never posted an example of me lying, and you haven't posted proof of JA's "angry, ugly, and childish" outbursts. There, that was easy. Way to hard for nothing, which is what you have proven. OK Jenn, now we have good reason to doubt something about you, either your sincerity, understanding of what constitutes proof, or basic intelligence. Ah! The standard snot! You asked for proof. I supplied proof. There are no examples of me lying. You've never produced one, and you never will. Maybe it just a mistake on your part. If you wish to apologize, I will accept it. |
#584
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"Norman M. Schwartz" wrote in message
"John Atkinson" wrote in message ... On Jan 31, 10:28 am, "Norman M. Schwartz" wrote: Was it a _Stereophile_ writer that came up with the green pen suggestion? As best as I can remember, it was Victor Tiscareno, now in charge of Apple's audio engineering department. I couldn't find his name by searching Stereophile's website, Then google was lying to you Mr. Schwartz, because Live Search got me several hits there. therefore I assume he was never a contributor to the Magazine. Not as a formal contributor, but as vendor staff. You know how important vendors are to SP, no? Be that so, then unlike the Armor All story which IIRC did originate in the magazine, the green pen bit hasn't got any bearing on whether or not Stereophile is 'entertaining'. I think of Stereophile as more of a source of valuable consideration than entertainment. ;-) |
#585
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Blind Cable Test at CES
On Jan 31, 11:51*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
Yes, I do get tired of trying to squeeze honesty out of people who have made a life out of lying to themselves and others. "Lying" in the sense that Ebert "lies". |
#586
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Blind Cable Test at CES
On Jan 31, 12:41*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
I claim that I've even occasionaly raised trolling to a fairly productive level. I think that Usenet should keep a gallery of people who have trolled Usenet for valuable consideration, such as an expenses-paid trip to NYC. So you've now admitted that you weren't there for anything "serious", yet you still whine about how you were treated, "secret" torpedoing, etc. Why is that? |
#587
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Blind Cable Test at CES
On Jan 31, 12:46 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
I think of Stereophile as more of a source of valuable consideration than entertainment. ;-) I presume that you're aware of how boring we all find your admissions of how cheaply you whored yourself. Most people would hold out for a trip to Aruba or some other more exotic destination before selling their 'integrity'. I can get a weekend to NYC with airfare and two nights at a hotel for under $500.00. But I do admire your 'honesty', GOIA. This places you on the RAO all- time honor roll for embarrassing personal admissions, right up next to 2pid admitting that he licks dog balls. |
#588
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Blind Cable Test at CES
On Jan 31, 1:32 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: John Atkinson wrote: You really do have too much time on your hands, I guess, if you care to post such trolls. People who respond to such trolls, and then whine about people who have the time to waste making such trolls, have serious self-awareness problems. Well, "at least" you admit that you are trolling. Quite an extraordinary admission for Arny Krueger to make, Jenn. I find it creepy to realize that Mr. Krueger has been squatting on an inconsequential piece of personal information -- what cars I drive -- for several years, wairing to use it as a troll, as he admitted he did today. Ugh! John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
#589
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Blind Cable Test at CES
"John Atkinson" wrote in
message On Jan 31, 1:32 pm, Jenn wrote: In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: John Atkinson wrote: You really do have too much time on your hands, I guess, if you care to post such trolls. People who respond to such trolls, and then whine about people who have the time to waste making such trolls, have serious self-awareness problems. Non-responsive post number one: Well, "at least" you admit that you are trolling. Non-responsive post number two: Quite an extraordinary admission for Arny Krueger to make, Jenn. What admission, Atkinson? Whatever it was, it seems to have been edited out. I find it creepy to realize that Mr. Krueger has been squatting on an inconsequential piece of personal information -- what cars I drive -- for several years, What are you free-associating about, John? What I said was: "A far as John's cars go, I only know what I read which could easily be very out-of-date." Nothing there about squatting on information, right? wairing to use it as a troll, as he admitted he did today. Ugh! Wairing? Waring? Does he post here any more? |
#590
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On Jan 31, 5:46*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in wairing to use it as a troll, as he admitted he did today. Ugh! Wairing? *Waring? Does he post here any more? Yuck, yuck. Good one, GOIA. You've been studying 2pid's posting style and just waiting to use it. I feel so sleepy... |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Norman M. Schwartz" wrote in message "John Atkinson" wrote in message ... On Jan 31, 10:28 am, "Norman M. Schwartz" wrote: Was it a _Stereophile_ writer that came up with the green pen suggestion? As best as I can remember, it was Victor Tiscareno, now in charge of Apple's audio engineering department. I couldn't find his name by searching Stereophile's website, Then google was lying to you Mr. Schwartz, because Live Search got me several hits there. Mr Krueger, thanks for that information. therefore I assume he was never a contributor to the Magazine. Not as a formal contributor, but as vendor staff. You know how important vendors are to SP, no? I'm sorry to say that I don't know what "vendor staff" means or implies. Be that so, then unlike the Armor All story which IIRC did originate in the magazine, the green pen bit hasn't got any bearing on whether or not Stereophile is 'entertaining'. I think of Stereophile as more of a source of valuable consideration than entertainment. ;-) I haven't been interested in, and therefore not following the happenings and equipment of the digital era, so there's little or no value in my reading any of the "high-end" periodicals. Once in a while I audition the speaker line which I prefer and if I don't (or at my age, can't) hear anything which I feel I'm missing, it's 'case closed' for me. |
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On Jan 31, 9:01�am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
I only know what I read which could easily be very out-of-date. That's the story of your life, douchebag. Boon |
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