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"The Artist" wrote in message
news "Arny Krueger" emitted : If Vegas is a suitable solution, why are you even mentioning Audition in the same breath? Because Audition is an even better solution for me. I already have it and know how to use it effectively. Far from a normal criteria for "better solution". I didn't mention any specific criteria. Yes you did, or were the words "I already have it and know how to use it effectively." tacked on arbitrarily? blah blah blah snipped Regardless, you didn't even grasp the point - if Vegas is a viable solution to a problem then Audition is not, and visa-versa. That very bogus logic. If Vegas is a viable solution that proves zilch about whether or not Audition is viable, and vice-versa. Both products can be viable. Lack of comprehension about products in question noted.. Their capabilities lie in such different areas and they are aimed at such different markets, rarely the twain shall meet. You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Vegas is the integration of two high end products - "Vegas Audio" and "Vegas Video". I was simply trying to justify your claim that they are aimed at such different markets, rarely the twain shall meet. If we're really comparing Vegas Audio with Audition, then your claim that they are aimed at such different markets, rarely the twain shall meet can be simply dismissed on the grounds that it is ludicrous. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : Put Audition and the several others at the bottom of the list to get a true reflection of the pecking order in the market place for multitrack production facilities. Prove it. I may put you straight when you talk ****, but I'm not about to regurgitate years of experience to "prove" what I'm saying. Do your own homework. In short, you were just posturing and have no support for your claims. That's how it always is with you, Dormer. No, the way it is with me is that if you demand proof that 2=2 you gotta do the math yourself. More senseless posturing. More empty words from the liars liar. I guess you've run out of postures, Dormer. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : Put Audition and the several others at the bottom of the list to get a true reflection of the pecking order in the market place for multitrack production facilities. Prove it. I may put you straight when you talk ****, but I'm not about to regurgitate years of experience to "prove" what I'm saying. Do your own homework. In short, you were just posturing and have no support for your claims. That's how it always is with you, Dormer. No, the way it is with me is that if you demand proof that 2=2 you gotta do the math yourself. More senseless posturing. More empty words from the liars liar. I guess you've run out of postures, Dormer. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : Put Audition and the several others at the bottom of the list to get a true reflection of the pecking order in the market place for multitrack production facilities. Prove it. I may put you straight when you talk ****, but I'm not about to regurgitate years of experience to "prove" what I'm saying. Do your own homework. In short, you were just posturing and have no support for your claims. That's how it always is with you, Dormer. No, the way it is with me is that if you demand proof that 2=2 you gotta do the math yourself. More senseless posturing. More empty words from the liars liar. I guess you've run out of postures, Dormer. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : Put Audition and the several others at the bottom of the list to get a true reflection of the pecking order in the market place for multitrack production facilities. Prove it. I may put you straight when you talk ****, but I'm not about to regurgitate years of experience to "prove" what I'm saying. Do your own homework. In short, you were just posturing and have no support for your claims. That's how it always is with you, Dormer. No, the way it is with me is that if you demand proof that 2=2 you gotta do the math yourself. More senseless posturing. More empty words from the liars liar. I guess you've run out of postures, Dormer. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : It's not like you make an income from audio production, after all. Ouch!! Not at all. Yustabe has you bang-to-rights. Not at all. You ARE a robot! You are obviously running out of steam, Dormer. Asking you for facts always seems to do that to you. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : It's not like you make an income from audio production, after all. Ouch!! Not at all. Yustabe has you bang-to-rights. Not at all. You ARE a robot! You are obviously running out of steam, Dormer. Asking you for facts always seems to do that to you. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : It's not like you make an income from audio production, after all. Ouch!! Not at all. Yustabe has you bang-to-rights. Not at all. You ARE a robot! You are obviously running out of steam, Dormer. Asking you for facts always seems to do that to you. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : It's not like you make an income from audio production, after all. Ouch!! Not at all. Yustabe has you bang-to-rights. Not at all. You ARE a robot! You are obviously running out of steam, Dormer. Asking you for facts always seems to do that to you. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : . I'm done with you for today, please continue arguing with yourself :-) No guts, no glory. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : . I'm done with you for today, please continue arguing with yourself :-) No guts, no glory. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : . I'm done with you for today, please continue arguing with yourself :-) No guts, no glory. |
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"The Artist" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : . I'm done with you for today, please continue arguing with yourself :-) No guts, no glory. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. geoff |
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The Artist wrote:
It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in realtime is about the most valuable and practical way of gainig experience ! geoff |
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The Artist wrote:
It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in realtime is about the most valuable and practical way of gainig experience ! geoff |
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The Artist wrote:
It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in realtime is about the most valuable and practical way of gainig experience ! geoff |
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The Artist wrote:
It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in realtime is about the most valuable and practical way of gainig experience ! geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
So what are you saying, that I'm wrong about SF not doing multitracking? No. What everybody is saying is that SoundForge doesn't do multitrack recording, just like MS Word doesn't. If your app does all three, or two, great - but that doesn't mean that other apps that don't pretend or want or aspire to one day doing what your 'do all' apps does, are somehow 'less good' . geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
So what are you saying, that I'm wrong about SF not doing multitracking? No. What everybody is saying is that SoundForge doesn't do multitrack recording, just like MS Word doesn't. If your app does all three, or two, great - but that doesn't mean that other apps that don't pretend or want or aspire to one day doing what your 'do all' apps does, are somehow 'less good' . geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
So what are you saying, that I'm wrong about SF not doing multitracking? No. What everybody is saying is that SoundForge doesn't do multitrack recording, just like MS Word doesn't. If your app does all three, or two, great - but that doesn't mean that other apps that don't pretend or want or aspire to one day doing what your 'do all' apps does, are somehow 'less good' . geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
So what are you saying, that I'm wrong about SF not doing multitracking? No. What everybody is saying is that SoundForge doesn't do multitrack recording, just like MS Word doesn't. If your app does all three, or two, great - but that doesn't mean that other apps that don't pretend or want or aspire to one day doing what your 'do all' apps does, are somehow 'less good' . geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. But, this is a discussion about audio editors. Because SF lacks any abilities to do multitrack audio recording and editing, Sony forces their clients to use an application that primarily edits video, in order to work Vegas does multitrack recording at least as well as CE/Audition (much better in my experience). It also does video, as least as well as other premiere video apps. So does this mean CE/Aud is a 'loser' app ? . No. Video is just not in it's feature set. You are totally wrong suggesting that Vegas is a video app with a bit of multitrack audio tacked on. Hell, they even dropped the name 'Video' off it's title. It is a FULL-FUNCTION audio multitracking environment, and one of the best. Just like SF is one of the best audio editors. geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. But, this is a discussion about audio editors. Because SF lacks any abilities to do multitrack audio recording and editing, Sony forces their clients to use an application that primarily edits video, in order to work Vegas does multitrack recording at least as well as CE/Audition (much better in my experience). It also does video, as least as well as other premiere video apps. So does this mean CE/Aud is a 'loser' app ? . No. Video is just not in it's feature set. You are totally wrong suggesting that Vegas is a video app with a bit of multitrack audio tacked on. Hell, they even dropped the name 'Video' off it's title. It is a FULL-FUNCTION audio multitracking environment, and one of the best. Just like SF is one of the best audio editors. geoff |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. But, this is a discussion about audio editors. Because SF lacks any abilities to do multitrack audio recording and editing, Sony forces their clients to use an application that primarily edits video, in order to work Vegas does multitrack recording at least as well as CE/Audition (much better in my experience). It also does video, as least as well as other premiere video apps. So does this mean CE/Aud is a 'loser' app ? . No. Video is just not in it's feature set. You are totally wrong suggesting that Vegas is a video app with a bit of multitrack audio tacked on. Hell, they even dropped the name 'Video' off it's title. It is a FULL-FUNCTION audio multitracking environment, and one of the best. Just like SF is one of the best audio editors. geoff |
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What Software for Editing Sound on PC
Arny Krueger wrote:
You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. But, this is a discussion about audio editors. Because SF lacks any abilities to do multitrack audio recording and editing, Sony forces their clients to use an application that primarily edits video, in order to work Vegas does multitrack recording at least as well as CE/Audition (much better in my experience). It also does video, as least as well as other premiere video apps. So does this mean CE/Aud is a 'loser' app ? . No. Video is just not in it's feature set. You are totally wrong suggesting that Vegas is a video app with a bit of multitrack audio tacked on. Hell, they even dropped the name 'Video' off it's title. It is a FULL-FUNCTION audio multitracking environment, and one of the best. Just like SF is one of the best audio editors. geoff |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
The Artist wrote: It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in real-time is about the most valuable and practical way of gaining experience ! This can be done with software as basic as Winamp. One has to be a little patient with software-based real-time eqs, in that the effects of adjustments take a few seconds to take hold. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
The Artist wrote: It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in real-time is about the most valuable and practical way of gaining experience ! This can be done with software as basic as Winamp. One has to be a little patient with software-based real-time eqs, in that the effects of adjustments take a few seconds to take hold. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
The Artist wrote: It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in real-time is about the most valuable and practical way of gaining experience ! This can be done with software as basic as Winamp. One has to be a little patient with software-based real-time eqs, in that the effects of adjustments take a few seconds to take hold. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
The Artist wrote: It comes with practice. Here are some practical things you can do to optimize your signal and "learn" your ears : Watch your signal in a real time FFT application - Also previewing while tweaking he EQ in real-time is about the most valuable and practical way of gaining experience ! This can be done with software as basic as Winamp. One has to be a little patient with software-based real-time eqs, in that the effects of adjustments take a few seconds to take hold. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. Check my post - I said "disconnected". I was referring to the tight interfacing between Audition's Edit View (which is similar to SF) and its Multitrack View (similar to Vegas Audio). I doubt that two different programs are going to work together as closely as these two components of the same program. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. Check my post - I said "disconnected". I was referring to the tight interfacing between Audition's Edit View (which is similar to SF) and its Multitrack View (similar to Vegas Audio). I doubt that two different programs are going to work together as closely as these two components of the same program. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. Check my post - I said "disconnected". I was referring to the tight interfacing between Audition's Edit View (which is similar to SF) and its Multitrack View (similar to Vegas Audio). I doubt that two different programs are going to work together as closely as these two components of the same program. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Que ? Check out the list you deleted. I'm just wondering which product you are referring to as discontinued. Check my post - I said "disconnected". I was referring to the tight interfacing between Audition's Edit View (which is similar to SF) and its Multitrack View (similar to Vegas Audio). I doubt that two different programs are going to work together as closely as these two components of the same program. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. But, this is a discussion about audio editors. Because SF lacks any abilities to do multitrack audio recording and editing, Sony forces their clients to use an application that primarily edits video, in order to work Vegas does multitrack recording at least as well as CE/Audition (much better in my experience). You must have had some bad experiences with Audition! It also does video, as least as well as other premiere video apps. So does this mean CE/Aud is a 'loser' app ? . No. Video is just not in it's feature set. Well, now you're "getting it". BTW, I can't see anything significant in Vegas Audio that Audition doesn't also do well. What do you see? You are totally wrong suggesting that Vegas is a video app with a bit of multitrack audio tacked on. Hell, they even dropped the name 'Video' off it's title. It is a FULL-FUNCTION audio multitracking environment, and one of the best. I was distracted by Dormer's claim that the Vegas product he was describing was incomparable to Audition. He said that comparing the two was like comparing "chalk and cheese". No way are Vegas Audio and Audition Multitrack THAT different when it comes to editing audio. Just like SF is one of the best audio editors. As is Audition. Case in point, compare http://www.soniccontrol.com/images/p...egasaudio2.JPG to http://www.adobe.com/products/auditi...dition_nph.pdf page 4. Geoff, in the past you've lined up with Dormer's posturing and called Cool Edit a "Toy". http://www.google.com/groups?selm=lK...s02.tsnz. net But in the past you've also said that you never tried Cool Edit "seriously" http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ez...s02.tsnz. net I think you owe us happy Cool Edit users an explanation. I know that I can't reasonably expect Dormer to provide a lucid, cogent reply, but you've got a far better track record for reasonable responses. For example in a number of other posts you treated Vegas and CEP like they were peers. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. But, this is a discussion about audio editors. Because SF lacks any abilities to do multitrack audio recording and editing, Sony forces their clients to use an application that primarily edits video, in order to work Vegas does multitrack recording at least as well as CE/Audition (much better in my experience). You must have had some bad experiences with Audition! It also does video, as least as well as other premiere video apps. So does this mean CE/Aud is a 'loser' app ? . No. Video is just not in it's feature set. Well, now you're "getting it". BTW, I can't see anything significant in Vegas Audio that Audition doesn't also do well. What do you see? You are totally wrong suggesting that Vegas is a video app with a bit of multitrack audio tacked on. Hell, they even dropped the name 'Video' off it's title. It is a FULL-FUNCTION audio multitracking environment, and one of the best. I was distracted by Dormer's claim that the Vegas product he was describing was incomparable to Audition. He said that comparing the two was like comparing "chalk and cheese". No way are Vegas Audio and Audition Multitrack THAT different when it comes to editing audio. Just like SF is one of the best audio editors. As is Audition. Case in point, compare http://www.soniccontrol.com/images/p...egasaudio2.JPG to http://www.adobe.com/products/auditi...dition_nph.pdf page 4. Geoff, in the past you've lined up with Dormer's posturing and called Cool Edit a "Toy". http://www.google.com/groups?selm=lK...s02.tsnz. net But in the past you've also said that you never tried Cool Edit "seriously" http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ez...s02.tsnz. net I think you owe us happy Cool Edit users an explanation. I know that I can't reasonably expect Dormer to provide a lucid, cogent reply, but you've got a far better track record for reasonable responses. For example in a number of other posts you treated Vegas and CEP like they were peers. |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: You've made my point. Vegas is primarily video editing software that oh, by the way does multitrack audio. But, this is a discussion about audio editors. Because SF lacks any abilities to do multitrack audio recording and editing, Sony forces their clients to use an application that primarily edits video, in order to work Vegas does multitrack recording at least as well as CE/Audition (much better in my experience). You must have had some bad experiences with Audition! It also does video, as least as well as other premiere video apps. So does this mean CE/Aud is a 'loser' app ? . No. Video is just not in it's feature set. Well, now you're "getting it". BTW, I can't see anything significant in Vegas Audio that Audition doesn't also do well. What do you see? You are totally wrong suggesting that Vegas is a video app with a bit of multitrack audio tacked on. Hell, they even dropped the name 'Video' off it's title. It is a FULL-FUNCTION audio multitracking environment, and one of the best. I was distracted by Dormer's claim that the Vegas product he was describing was incomparable to Audition. He said that comparing the two was like comparing "chalk and cheese". No way are Vegas Audio and Audition Multitrack THAT different when it comes to editing audio. Just like SF is one of the best audio editors. As is Audition. Case in point, compare http://www.soniccontrol.com/images/p...egasaudio2.JPG to http://www.adobe.com/products/auditi...dition_nph.pdf page 4. Geoff, in the past you've lined up with Dormer's posturing and called Cool Edit a "Toy". http://www.google.com/groups?selm=lK...s02.tsnz. net But in the past you've also said that you never tried Cool Edit "seriously" http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ez...s02.tsnz. net I think you owe us happy Cool Edit users an explanation. I know that I can't reasonably expect Dormer to provide a lucid, cogent reply, but you've got a far better track record for reasonable responses. For example in a number of other posts you treated Vegas and CEP like they were peers. |
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