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"Frank Stearns" wrote in message
... regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda |
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"Frank Stearns" wrote in message ... regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda ˆš -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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On 2/12/15 12:53 PM, None wrote:
"Frank Stearns" wrote in message ... regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda I've always thought Frank's input was solid gold. Watching him go off on politics here was like watching a Ferrari drive off the pavement to go off-roading. -- Matt |
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Matt Faunce wrote:
On 2/12/15 12:53 PM, None wrote: "Frank Stearns" wrote in message ... regurgitates thoroughly debunked propaganda I've always thought Frank's input was solid gold. Watching him go off on politics here was like watching a Ferrari drive off the pavement to go off-roading. ˆš -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
One side note to Trevor - the US had 100% coverage pre 0-care, but most agreed that delivery via the ER to those on the margin was a terrible way to help them. The "solution" to that, however, has been unfortunate. The worst is yet to come. Check out what 0-Care architect Jonathan Gruber proudly said about it. Once upon a time, after being injured on set, I was taken to a hospital emergency room where I was told my insurance was no good and I could not be treated there. I was bundled up and sent off to the poor people's hospital (Grady Memorial) to get sutured. I later wound up with a major postoperative infection and wound up losing a finger. (The infection was probably made worse by the doctor's refusing to take my phone calls and his receptionist insisting I wait before coming in.) Experiences like this tend to sour me on the health care system in this country, and make me very, very skeptical when people say that we have 100% coverage. In Canada you get the care you can afford to wait for, in the US you get the care you can afford to pay for. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Neil Gould wrote:
The Affordable Care Act does nothing to change the fundamental structure, so it can not lead to a single payer -- i.e. nationalized -- health care process. "The fundamental structure" spent a lot of money making sure the ACA did not alter its control of the system. Single payer. We'll either get that done, or remain hostages of the medical-insurance industrial complex. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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hank alrich wrote:
Neil Gould wrote: The Affordable Care Act does nothing to change the fundamental structure, so it can not lead to a single payer -- i.e. nationalized -- health care process. "The fundamental structure" spent a lot of money making sure the ACA did not alter its control of the system. Single payer. We'll either get that done, or remain hostages of the medical-insurance industrial complex. We don't seem to be on a path to that end, at least not by deliberate efforts on the part of any current politicians. The collapse of some "payers" in portions of the country with the result that only one "payer" is left doesn't qualify, it just creates more "too big to fail" entities. Apparently, some politicians think that's a good idea. -- best regards, Neil |
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On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy). I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to the National Health System. Does this make us a bunch of commies? No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good" capitalist countries. Trevor. |
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Trevor wrote:
On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote: In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy). I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to the National Health System. Does this make us a bunch of commies? No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good" capitalist countries. Trevor. It makes him nothing more than the beneficiary of an accident of history - at best. Is that "greed", these accidents of history? I wouldn't defend either system on merit for any sort of bet. -- Les Cargill |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:05:12 -0600, Les Cargill
wrote: Trevor wrote: On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote: In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy). I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to the National Health System. Does this make us a bunch of commies? No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good" capitalist countries. Trevor. It makes him nothing more than the beneficiary of an accident of history - at best. Is that "greed", these accidents of history? I wouldn't defend either system on merit for any sort of bet. Why do you call it an accident? The creation of the National Health Service was certainly no accident. And can you explain further your second para? I don't understand that at all. d |
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On 16/02/2015 4:55 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 23:05:12 -0600, Les Cargill wrote: Trevor wrote: On 14/02/2015 7:59 PM, Don Pearce wrote: In England I just walk into any hospital and get treated. No questions are asked and the care is the best. When I fell off my bike and lost the feeling along one side of my hand I went to A&E (accident and emergency) and was seen immediately by a man who turned out later to be one of Europe's leading neurologists. I had a consultation that lasted almost one and a half hours (it wasn't busy). I pay for this along with my taxes, and I love it. I also pay for private medicine through my job so that if I have any elective surgery, I can get it immediately in a private hospital rather than joining the queue. This, of course, is an extra, voluntary subsidy to the National Health System. Does this make us a bunch of commies? No. it simply makes you more enlightened than most "greed is good" capitalist countries. It makes him nothing more than the beneficiary of an accident of history - at best. Is that "greed", these accidents of history? Why do you call it an accident? The creation of the National Health Service was certainly no accident. Right, in so called democratic countries, people vote for the parties that either give them services or take them away. Provide services to all or only a few. And either tax the rich or tax the poor to pay for them. It is pretty clear which is simply greed and self interest, even if the greedy don't like to admit it! Trevor. |
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Les Cargill wrote:
There probably is no good system. But at times, the French tradition of medicine as primarily a public, scientific enterprise seems to make more sense. I am sure it has troubles, too. An elderly woman I know visiting Paris fell down some stone steps and brtoke her arm. She was treated at a hospital, very well in her view, and sent on her way without being billed anything. She is a US citizen. Seems quite civilized. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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On 18/02/2015 2:09 p.m., Chuck wrote:
I knew a guy back in the 80s who stepped into traffic on the bridge in central Inverness. (He forgot for a moment the direction of traffic flow in the U.K..) He was a mass of broken bones and it was a miracle he survived. He didn't pay a cent for the months of health care he received. Imagine what it would have cost if it was a Brit in the U.S. .... and he'd have been sued by the vehicle(s) that hit him. geoff |
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