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http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 9:56:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

He's "into" those Target CDs...

http://www.keithhirsch.com/

Jack

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:19:35 AM UTC-4, jjaj.l.com wrote:
http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

He's "into" those Target CDs...

http://www.keithhirsch.com/

Jack


_______

Dude, click the link in my original
post and LEARN about what Target CD
signifies.

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:31:13 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:19:35 AM UTC-4, jjaj.l.com wrote:
http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

He's "into" those Target CDs...

http://www.keithhirsch.com/

Jack


_______

Dude, click the link in my original
post and LEARN about what Target CD
signifies.

All I know, Sony was having US CDs made in Japan, until US people complained!!
Not really into Target CDs, I see little value in them, IMO.

Jack

[John Williamson]

On 18/07/2017 15:50, wrote:

All I know, Sony was having US CDs made in Japan, until US people complained!!
Not really into Target CDs, I see little value in them, IMO.

Marketing. Early CDs that were produced using early equipment for early
adopters.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 4:52:31 PM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 18/07/2017 15:50, wrote:

All I know, Sony was having US CDs made in Japan, until US people complained!!
Not really into Target CDs, I see little value in them, IMO.

Marketing. Early CDs that were produced using early equipment for early
adopters.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

John, someone was selling a MCA Vintage Master series CD, that generally goes for a $1.00 USD or so, at an elevated cost, since on the CD it said, "Made In Japan". So, like Warner, others were getting CDs made OUTSIDE the US. I don't mind "early" CDs, I mind they didn't use first generation master tapes.

Jack

[John Williamson]

On 18/07/2017 15:31, wrote:
Dude, click the link in my original
post and LEARN about what Target CD
signifies.

It signifies early CDs produced in countries other than the USA, because
there were not enough pressing plants in the USA at the time. The Target
brand was a marketing ploy.

A "flat transfer from the master tape" as mentioned on the site linked
to by JackAss is a meaningless phrase, and omits the information about
which master was used. Was it the studio master, the LP master or the
cassette master? Or maybe it was (A copy of) the CD master intended for
American use, put onto a plane to Germany?

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 4:26:25 PM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 18/07/2017 15:31, wrote:
Dude, click the link in my original
post and LEARN about what Target CD
signifies.

It signifies early CDs produced in countries other than the USA, because
there were not enough pressing plants in the USA at the time. The Target
brand was a marketing ploy.

A "flat transfer from the master tape" as mentioned on the site linked
to by JackAss is a meaningless phrase, and omits the information about
which master was used. Was it the studio master, the LP master or the
cassette master? Or maybe it was (A copy of) the CD master intended for
American use, put onto a plane to Germany?

I see, so you call me names, but it was Dan that posted that information.
I just posted the link because I knew Dan collected Target CDs.
I too collect Target CDs, but from exclusive CDs from a Target department store!! That's a new phase, even Wal-Mart does it.

Jack


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:19:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 9:56:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

He's "into" those Target CDs...

http://www.keithhirsch.com/

Jack



Also: http://www.keithhirsch.com/target-cds

[geoff]

On 19/07/2017 2:34 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:19:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 9:56:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

He's "into" those Target CDs...

http://www.keithhirsch.com/

Jack



Also: http://www.keithhirsch.com/target-cds



"Flat transfers of the original tapes" meaning tapes mastered for vinyl ?

Yuk.

geoff

[John Williamson]

On 18/07/2017 21:10, geoff wrote:

"Flat transfers of the original tapes" meaning tapes mastered for vinyl ?

If they zero out with the normal CDs, it was likely a dupe of the
digital master that was sent to the pressing plant. Two transfers from
the same analogue master tape are very unlikely to be identical bit for
bit, with the best result being something as minor as the tape flutter
being out of phase, even if both transfers were made on the same machine.

The reason they were not processed further in the pressing plant was
because people were still learning about the process and only noticed
the immediate vast improvement in perceived quality over vinyl.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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John Williamson wrote: "
If they zero out with the normal CDs, it was likely a dupe of the
digital master that was sent to the pressing plant. Two transfers from
the same analogue master tape are very unlikely to be identical bit for
bit, with the best result being something as minor as the tape flutter
being out of phase, even if both transfers were made on the same machine.

The reason they were not processed further in the pressing plant was
because people were still learning about the process and only noticed
the immediate vast improvement in perceived quality over vinyl. "


By "not processed further", what sort of processing
are you referring to?

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geoff wrote: "Yuk."


Better than the situation described he
https://www.facebook.com/pg/2016Save...=page_internal

[geoff]

On 19/07/2017 9:35 a.m., wrote:
geoff wrote: "Yuk."


Better than the situation described he
https://www.facebook.com/pg/2016Save...=page_internal

Oh dear. Hobby-horse rears it's head again.

Sadly a highly flawed and erroneous page that only perpetuates a lack of
deeper understanding of the multiple issues with good or bad mastering
and remastering..

- Loudness wars are/were not the sole the domain of REmastering.

- Remastering does not inherently imply reduced dynamic range.

- Loudness (or other mastering or remaster processes) do not inherently
need to be digital to acheive either good or bad things.

- There are many remastered releases that sound FANTASTIC compared to
the original. The most objectionable ones were from the era of early
digital processing with relatively poor AD and bit-depths. And those
flaws are not related to hyper-compression.

geoff

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 4:10:50 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 19/07/2017 2:34 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:19:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 9:56:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

He's "into" those Target CDs...

http://www.keithhirsch.com/

Jack



Also: http://www.keithhirsch.com/target-cds



"Flat transfers of the original tapes" meaning tapes mastered for vinyl ?

Yuk.

geoff

Flat transfers, because DAW didn't exist then :-)

Jack

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On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 9:56:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.targetcd.com/


Recently acquired my second CD of "Behind The Sun" - E. Clapton, #9 25166-2 as 'target' CD.

I WAV'd both version, target and regular, into my DAW and they nulled perfectly.
Is zero difference a normal occurrence between special target editions and regular CDs?

They both sound great.

Found a Pablo Cruise song in public domain. It SOUNDED nice, extended ending. Years went by, not nowing what CD it came from. Then I find Universal marketing their fancy HQ CD by that group. I compared and identical wave forms. In other words, the HQ format did noting for quality.

Jack

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Another rare but desirable category of initial CD releases:

http://www.keithhirsch.com/the-japan...ney-tug-of-war