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Shoeps CMC641 suboptimal? It happens.
My "go to" microphone pair to record large groups is Schoeps CMC6 with
the 41 supercardioid capsule. Good directivity, superb off-axis response, and mostly flat with only a tiny HF rise. It minimizes the problems of many halls (slapback, HVAC and lighting noise, ugly sound reinforcement, etc.) Today I put that pair away and pulled out another "perfect" pair, the DPA 4006 omnis. No jecklin or other aid, just pointed toward the wings (180°) with the capsules about 18 inches apart. The program was a huge (200+) member chorus with organ, a string quintet, 2 trumpets, and timpani. The hall is an octagonal church with serious acoustic treatment (reflectors, diffusers, etc). Still absorbs all the transients. The Schoeps accurately captured the sound of the group, keeping a good balance of chorus and "orchestra" with proper mic placement. In other words it correct, but in a clinical sort of way. When I substituted the omnis, the sound opened up and mixed better. I'm not referring to post-processing mixing in the studio. I refer to the blend of left and right in the two microphones. While it was less defined that the supercardioid sound, it added atmosphere that I can't add with synthetic reverb and it had a stereo definition I couldn't get with ambient mics in that room. I'll use the 41's to capture the ambient tone from the rear of the hall (not allowed to place mics in the seating area during the program). Their "reach" will still be useful, even from that distance. |
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Shoeps CMC641 suboptimal? It happens.
Carey Carlan wrote:
When I substituted the omnis, the sound opened up and mixed better. I'm not referring to post-processing mixing in the studio. I refer to the blend of left and right in the two microphones. While it was less defined that the supercardioid sound, it added atmosphere that I can't add with synthetic reverb and it had a stereo definition I couldn't get with ambient mics in that room. Try the Jecklin Disc. You know you want to. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Carey Carlan wrote: (Scott Dorsey) wrote in news:iohd39$prp$1 : Carey Carlan wrote: When I substituted the omnis, the sound opened up and mixed better. I'm not referring to post-processing mixing in the studio. I refer to the blend of left and right in the two microphones. While it was less defined that the supercardioid sound, it added atmosphere that I can't add with synthetic reverb and it had a stereo definition I couldn't get with ambient mics in that room. Try the Jecklin Disc. You know you want to. In a heartbeat at a recording session. But this was a concert with a mic stand front and center. That big fuzzy pizza on a stick would have attracted too much attention. With the capsules at extreme angles and 18" apart I get a surprising amount of stereo field. For that matter, as close as I was to such a big group, that's probably as much spread as I could want. I think the more omni the omnis are, the worse this works. You can get nice results with more beamy omnis (like M-50s or something). --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Shoeps CMC641 suboptimal? It happens.
Carey Carlan wrote:
With the capsules at extreme angles and 18" apart I get a surprising distance makes sense, but I always keep omni's parallel so as to get the same image of the rearmost center in both, otherwise the room sound to me tends to split into a Y. amount of stereo field. For that matter, as close as I was to such a big group, that's probably as much spread as I could want. Omni's vs. subcardioid vs. cardioid is very much about how much audience and/or room noise is acceptable but also about depth clarity, some of the time omni pairs work better for large ensembles than for small ensembles. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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