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LIES, DAMNED LIES AND COMPLAINTS continued ...
In Subject: WHY THE ENEMIES OF SOCIETY PERVERT THE LANGUAGE//Andr Jute
Message-ID: dated: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Andre Jute continues ... :The Joe Job is a variant of declaring someone a troll, which legitimizes : (at least in the eyes of nerds) attacks on peoples freedom of speech : and livelihood. It works like this: some troll is taunted and abused until : he reacts, and then viciously flamed until he reacts some more. : Eventually in frustration he does something which the gang of bullies : on his back can use complain to his ISP (Internet Service Provider), : against whom they then mount a concerted campaign until the troll : has his communications withdrawn. Nope. The Joe Job is to do with forged spam, as detailed above. However, in Cotse's discussion of the JoeJob, they do relate it to what they call the "Complaint Game". http://www.cotse.com/11022000.html None of this applies to the scenario of a bully, who chooses his actions, complaining that he is the victim, i.e. of his victims, or who has his ISP service terminated because he really did breach the terms of service ... Cotse's own terms and conditions are worth a read then, in this light: http://www.cotse.net/tos.html Some useful notes on free speech there. However, even they state, a fair way down the page: However, if one of our users is in a group solely to cause disruption and only engage in name-calling we will first warn then term the account if the user continues. We support freedom of speech to disagree, not to just hurl insults and names. Consider Andre Jute's posts to this group in relation to just that clause! The name-calling would be ludicrous if not so offensive and tiresome. http://tinyurl.com/ujb4 http://tinyurl.com/ujbh Let alone the rest of the names, accusations, veiled threats, intimidations and false intimations that he has flooded this newsgroup with. IMVHO. Andre complains that no one argues any of his points. People are tired of dealing with floods of insane vituperation, but I suggest that rather than simply closing their virtual ears and eyes, they at least look at them, and consider what small or great refutations they may calmly and honestly make. OTOH, I applaud his recent human expressions of compassion and sharing of painful personal experiences, as well as his straightforward on topic posts. To be fair, one should encourage and respond positively when these occur, if one is going to respond critically to those that contain errors or flaws. It is easy to be remiss in this while one is upset over perceived slights. One can't do either with filters engaged. It takes exposure to tumbling gravel, let alone irritating sand, to rub off the awkward corners, remove the layers of outer crust, and reveal the gem within a rock, if it is one. Ross Matheson - - |
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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message ... : In Subject: WHY THE ENEMIES OF SOCIETY PERVERT THE LANGUAGE//Andr Jute : Message-ID: : dated: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 13:00:05 +0200 (CEST) : : OTOH, I applaud his recent human expressions of compassion and sharing of : painful personal experiences, as well as his straightforward on topic posts. : : To be fair, one should encourage and respond positively when these occur, if : one is going to respond critically to those that contain errors or flaws. : : It is easy to be remiss in this while one is upset over perceived slights. : : One can't do either with filters engaged. It takes exposure to tumbling : gravel, let alone irritating sand, to rub off the awkward corners, remove the : layers of outer crust, and reveal the gem within a rock, if it is one. : : Ross Matheson : - - Great post there, Ross. And I feel the seem way there about Andre's seemingly honest expression of some of his personal experiences, that does give the man some redeeming qualities. Live and let live, Rudy |
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