[Ron]

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

[Laurence Payne]

On 21 Nov 2006 17:28:17 -0800, "Ron" wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

Sounds like what Windows Media Player, iTunes etc. does on any PC.

[Ron]

Laurence Payne wrote:
On 21 Nov 2006 17:28:17 -0800, "Ron" wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

Sounds like what Windows Media Player, iTunes etc. does on any PC.

Well, my home theater/audio system isn't connected to my PC.....And
just for the record, it never will be.

[Geoff]

Ron wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote:
On 21 Nov 2006 17:28:17 -0800, "Ron" wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if
any - makes a CD player capable of this?

Sounds like what Windows Media Player, iTunes etc. does on any PC.

Well, my home theater/audio system isn't connected to my PC.....And
just for the record, it never will be.

And hopefully would never be connected to a Bose product either....

geoff

[Eeyore]

Ron wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

What's the point ?

Graham

[Ron]

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

What's the point ?

Graham

What is WHAT point?

[Eeyore]

Ron wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

What's the point ?

Graham

What is WHAT point?

What's the point of having this function ?

Graham

[Laurence Payne]

On 21 Nov 2006 18:59:03 -0800, "Ron" wrote:

Sounds like what Windows Media Player, iTunes etc. does on any PC.

Well, my home theater/audio system isn't connected to my PC.....And
just for the record, it never will be.

Why not? Is this a religious thing? :-)

The machine that does what you want is essentially a one-program
computer. You already have a multi-purpose one.

[Laurence Payne]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:19:37 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:

What is WHAT point?

What's the point of having this function ?


Easy accessibility, the facility to create your own play-lists. Not
sure why he's anti-computer for this job. But if it's merely a matter
of inconvenient location, why not buy a dedicated laptop? Its CD
drive will read the data as well as any "hi-fi" unit. You can get one
with a digital audio output. And it's likely to do the job better and
cheaper than anything Bose make.

[Karl Uppiano]

"Ron" wrote in message
ups.com...
I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

As you have discovered by now, Bose is a nasty word around here. It is
generally reviled as a pure marketing organization, providing mediocre
technology at premium prices. Anyone who mentions Bose in a neutral or
positive light will get flamed. It pays to lurk for a while to avoid getting
burned.

Who knew? I'm afraid you stepped in it, pal. Please don't take it
personally.

[Ron]

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

What's the point ?

Graham

What is WHAT point?

What's the point of having this function ?

Graham

You put a CD in your CD player, somehow the player stores the music,
whether it's on a hard-drive, or some kind of computer chip, I don't
know. Then all you have to do is hit a button(s) for that particular CD
when you want to listen to it and it plays. You never have to put the
CD in the player again. It's basically the same thing as having a CD
changer with 500 (or how ever many it can store) CD's in it but a LOT
smaller.

[Laurence Payne]

On 22 Nov 2006 13:35:07 -0800, "Ron" wrote:

You put a CD in your CD player, somehow the player stores the music,
whether it's on a hard-drive, or some kind of computer chip, I don't
know. Then all you have to do is hit a button(s) for that particular CD
when you want to listen to it and it plays. You never have to put the
CD in the player again. It's basically the same thing as having a CD
changer with 500 (or how ever many it can store) CD's in it but a LOT
smaller.

Be careful. It may be storing in a compressed format. Basically,
you're describing an iPod.

[Ron]

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:19:37 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:

What is WHAT point?

What's the point of having this function ?


Easy accessibility, the facility to create your own play-lists. Not
sure why he's anti-computer for this job. But if it's merely a matter
of inconvenient location, why not buy a dedicated laptop? Its CD
drive will read the data as well as any "hi-fi" unit. You can get one
with a digital audio output. And it's likely to do the job better and
cheaper than anything Bose make.

That is why I asked if anyone had heard of a company besides Bose that
makes a CD player with this feature.

Apparently no one has even heard of the feature.

Also, I have enough computer "problems" w/o connecting it to my stereo.
LOL

And I'm not spending money on a laptop JUST to play Cd's. If there is a
company besides Bose that makes an affordable CD player with this
function I *might* buy one.

I'm just looking for info on it. I can't even find the one Bose makes
on Google.

[Ron]

Karl Uppiano wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message
ups.com...
I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

As you have discovered by now, Bose is a nasty word around here. It is
generally reviled as a pure marketing organization, providing mediocre
technology at premium prices. Anyone who mentions Bose in a neutral or
positive light will get flamed. It pays to lurk for a while to avoid getting
burned.

Who knew? I'm afraid you stepped in it, pal. Please don't take it
personally.

Dude, I know all about the "Bose is evil" thing. I don't own Bose, nor
will I ever.

"And if so, what company besides Bose - if any - makes a CD player
capable of this?"

[Ron]

Laurence Payne wrote:
On 22 Nov 2006 13:35:07 -0800, "Ron" wrote:

You put a CD in your CD player, somehow the player stores the music,
whether it's on a hard-drive, or some kind of computer chip, I don't
know. Then all you have to do is hit a button(s) for that particular CD
when you want to listen to it and it plays. You never have to put the
CD in the player again. It's basically the same thing as having a CD
changer with 500 (or how ever many it can store) CD's in it but a LOT
smaller.

Be careful. It may be storing in a compressed format. Basically,
you're describing an iPod.

That's why I'm trying to get some info on it. Apparently Bose is the
only company that makes a CD player with this option and I can't even
find any info on it. I was half a sleep when the infomercial was on TV
and it's not like Bose is selling anything I wanna buy. But it *might*
be a cool feature to have, on another brand of CD player.

[Adam Sampson]

Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom writes:

Be careful. It may be storing in a compressed format.

I'd really hope that, given the massive differential between Bose's
pricing and the cost of hard disks these days, that they'd be using a
non-lossy compression system (or none at all). 60 quid will buy you a
300 GB hard disk, with enough storage for ~700 full-length CDs in FLAC
or similar format, and 750 GB drives are readily available now.

This is assuming that the design will be sensible, of course...

--
Adam Sampson http://offog.org/

[Ron]

Adam Sampson wrote:
Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom writes:

Be careful. It may be storing in a compressed format.

I'd really hope that, given the massive differential between Bose's
pricing and the cost of hard disks these days, that they'd be using a
non-lossy compression system (or none at all). 60 quid will buy you a
300 GB hard disk, with enough storage for ~700 full-length CDs in FLAC
or similar format, and 750 GB drives are readily available now.

This is assuming that the design will be sensible, of course...

--
Adam Sampson http://offog.org/

As usual, Bose doesn't give any technical details about their product.

http://www.bose.com/controller?event... s38_dvd_index

[Laurence Payne]

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:14:27 +0000, Adam Sampson
wrote:

I'd really hope that, given the massive differential between Bose's
pricing and the cost of hard disks these days, that they'd be using a
non-lossy compression system (or none at all). 60 quid will buy you a
300 GB hard disk, with enough storage for ~700 full-length CDs in FLAC
or similar format, and 750 GB drives are readily available now.

Yeah. But MP3 is "cool" :-)

[Laurence Payne]

On 22 Nov 2006 13:52:57 -0800, "Ron" wrote:

Be careful. It may be storing in a compressed format. Basically,
you're describing an iPod.

That's why I'm trying to get some info on it. Apparently Bose is the
only company that makes a CD player with this option and I can't even
find any info on it. I was half a sleep when the infomercial was on TV
and it's not like Bose is selling anything I wanna buy. But it *might*
be a cool feature to have, on another brand of CD player.


I suppose you could look at it as a hard disk storage unit with a CD
reader bolted on. But do remember, you already own one.

[Laurence Payne]

On 22 Nov 2006 14:55:18 -0800, "Ron" wrote:


As usual, Bose doesn't give any technical details about their product.

http://www.bose.com/controller?event... s38_dvd_index

It does look a seriously nasty bit of gear, doesn't it!
If you drill down to the manual, you find this, which is rather
worrying:

Planning time to store your music
Storing entails two actions: placing the tracks from each CD in a
holding area and processing
the tracks for efficient storage. This frees up the holding area.
While the holding area is !
temporarily full, no more storage is possible. As an indicator, the
media center displays the
message: BUSY PROCESSING CDS.

This suggests compression.

[Richard Crowley]

"Ron" wrote ...

That is why I asked if anyone had heard of a company besides Bose that
makes a CD player with this feature.

Apparently no one has even heard of the feature.

No. I'd bet that everyone here has heard of this feature, but not
implemented in a standalone consumer CD player gadget. The
device you are reading this on (your computer), for example,
already has this "feature".

This is a very common function. People have been "ripping" CDs
for years and years, nothing new. All Bose appears to have done
is to package it into a nice plastic box. Of course that is what they
do best (other than taking your $$$)

I'm just looking for info on it. I can't even find the one Bose makes
on Google.

Hope you aren't under the delusion that Bose will actually reveal
any technical details about how they do it. It is not that kind of
company. From their track-record, don't assume that they are
using any sort of lossless storage methodology. Their reputation
is pretty low around here.

[Laurence Payne]

Now have a REAL laugh. Look at the price! Do people actually buy
this stuff?

[Ron]

Laurence Payne wrote:
Now have a REAL laugh. Look at the price! Do people actually buy
this stuff?

$3000.00 worth of junk!

[Eeyore]

Ron wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

What's the point ?

Graham

What is WHAT point?

What's the point of having this function ?

Graham

You put a CD in your CD player, somehow the player stores the music,
whether it's on a hard-drive, or some kind of computer chip, I don't
know. Then all you have to do is hit a button(s) for that particular CD
when you want to listen to it and it plays. You never have to put the
CD in the player again. It's basically the same thing as having a CD
changer with 500 (or how ever many it can store) CD's in it but a LOT
smaller.

Like I said....

What's the *POINT* of it ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Ron wrote:

Apparently Bose is the
only company that makes a CD player with this option

Bwahahahahahahahhaha !

" No highs, no lows, it must be Bose ! "

Graham

[Eeyore]

Ron wrote:

As usual, Bose doesn't give any technical details about their product.

If they did, no-one in their right mind would buy it.

Graham

[Eeyore]

Ron wrote:

Karl Uppiano wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message
ups.com...
I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

As you have discovered by now, Bose is a nasty word around here. It is
generally reviled as a pure marketing organization, providing mediocre
technology at premium prices. Anyone who mentions Bose in a neutral or
positive light will get flamed. It pays to lurk for a while to avoid getting
burned.

Who knew? I'm afraid you stepped in it, pal. Please don't take it
personally.

Dude, I know all about the "Bose is evil" thing. I don't own Bose, nor
will I ever.

"And if so, what company besides Bose - if any - makes a CD player
capable of this?"

Any company selling a 'Media Center' PC.

Graham

[Ron]

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

What's the point ?

Graham

What is WHAT point?

What's the point of having this function ?

Graham

You put a CD in your CD player, somehow the player stores the music,
whether it's on a hard-drive, or some kind of computer chip, I don't
know. Then all you have to do is hit a button(s) for that particular CD
when you want to listen to it and it plays. You never have to put the
CD in the player again. It's basically the same thing as having a CD
changer with 500 (or how ever many it can store) CD's in it but a LOT
smaller.

Like I said....

What's the *POINT* of it ?

Graham

The same reason you have a remote for your TV.

[Eeyore]

Ron wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Ron wrote:

I was watching a Bose infomercial last night and one of the Bose
"surround" systems has as CD player that can copy and store the CD's
music for future playback w/o using the disc again.

Has anyone heard of this? And if so, what company besides Bose - if any
- makes a CD player capable of this?

What's the point ?

Graham

What is WHAT point?

What's the point of having this function ?

Graham

You put a CD in your CD player, somehow the player stores the music,
whether it's on a hard-drive, or some kind of computer chip, I don't
know. Then all you have to do is hit a button(s) for that particular CD
when you want to listen to it and it plays. You never have to put the
CD in the player again. It's basically the same thing as having a CD
changer with 500 (or how ever many it can store) CD's in it but a LOT
smaller.

Like I said....

What's the *POINT* of it ?

Graham

The same reason you have a remote for your TV.

Another excuse to get fatter you mean ?

Graham