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Use condenser sax mic with xvive wireless guitar system ?
Hello good people,
Question: Is it possible to use the new mini guitar wireless systems (Xvive for ex) with a mini condenser mic like the AKG C-519 horn/drum/piano mic using adapters ? I tried it but without impedance matching adapters and there was a wine if the mic is too close to the battery pack. I also tried using the Xvive with a regular SM58 and non impedense matching adapters and it seemed to work fine, I couldnt hear the difference from an XLR cable. Problem is small clip on sax mics are all condenser as far as I am aware of and the Xvive will only work with dynamic mics) What I want to do is use my good condenser sax mic wirelessly with a mini lithium powered transmitter (no battery belt pack) and receiver like the Xvive does for guitar. Any ideas ? Thanks, Rob |
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Thanks Geoff, I am considering ordering the AKG WMS40 Mini dual wireless system to use with my AKG mics but before I do was wondering if there is an option without a body pack. Using a bulky wireless receiver is more cables and components which sort of defeats the purpose of wireless by needing more cables and a power cable and feeling like being strapped into a body pack. I love the new guitar wireless systems for the neatness and simplicity of it and wish there was an option like that for mini condenser mics. I asked AKG if they had a mini lithium battery wireless system for mics in the works but they dont. Xvive is coming out with something soon but only for dynamic mics:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ireless.ht ml |
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On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
Thanks Geoff, I am considering ordering the AKG WMS40 Mini dual wireless system to use with my AKG mics but before I do was wondering if there is an option without a body pack. Using a bulky wireless receiver is more cables and components which sort of defeats the purpose of wireless by needing more cables and a power cable and feeling like being strapped into a body pack. I love the new guitar wireless systems for the neatness and simplicity of it and wish there was an option like that for mini condenser mics. I asked AKG if they had a mini lithium battery wireless system for mics in the works but they dont. Xvive is coming out with something soon but only for dynamic mics: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ireless.ht ml There are some miniature condenser mics that power their headamps with batteries, so they don't need phantom power. Peace, Paul |
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There are some miniature condenser mics that power their headamps with batteries, so they don't need phantom power.
Peace, Paul |
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On 26/09/2018 8:23 PM, geoff wrote:
On 26/09/2018 3:00 PM, wrote: Thanks Geoff, I am considering ordering the AKG WMS40 Mini dual wireless system to use with my AKG mics but before I do was wondering if there is an option without a body pack. Using a bulky wireless receiver is more cables and components which sort of defeats the purpose of wireless by needing more cables and a power cable and feeling like being strapped into a body pack. I love the new guitar wireless systems for the neatness and simplicity of it and wish there was an option like that for mini condenser mics. I asked AKG if they had a mini lithium battery wireless system for mics in the works but they dont. Xvive is coming out with something soon but only for dynamic mics: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ireless.ht ml I do the warranty and other service on AKG gear in NZ. A while ago they had a plug-in guitar transmitter (now discontinued, for good reason), called a 'Snap-On'. Proved to be more of a snap-off. You don't feel wired in to the transmitter so much if you attach the transmitter to the sax neck-strap, though this presumably feels more solid on a guitar strap than a sax strap. The cheap AKG transmitter work of one AA alkaline, and the top line off two. These last for longer than any gig you'll ever do, so why the lithium ? The receiver end requires the receiver, and wall-wart, and a signal cable which is hardly onerous, considering you are presumably plugging it into other gear requiring a cable or two ! geoff Also beware cheaper 2.4GHz systems when in a room full of people with smartphones and wi-fi enabled. Though top-range 2.4GHz systems may have smart frequency-hopping/redundancy scheme to avoid glitches. Fewer such problems with regular UHF systems. geoff |
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On 9/25/2018 9:45 PM, wrote:
Is it possible to use the new mini guitar wireless systems (Xvive for ex) with a mini condenser mic like the AKG C-519 horn/drum/piano mic using adapters ? I tried it but without impedance matching adapters and there was a wine if the mic is too close to the battery pack. I also tried using the Xvive with a regular SM58 and non impedense matching adapters and it seemed to work fine Is this what you have? http://www.xviveaudio.com/productInfo.asp?id=298 That has three good reasons why a respectable condenser mic won't work with it: 1. There's no phantom power 2. Its gain is set up to work with the output level of a guitar pickup, which is roughly 20 dB hotter than a mic level output. 3. The unbalanced high impedance input turns the mic cable into an antenna good for picking up stray RF and electromagnetic fields in the area. You need the kind of wireless transmitter that's designed to be used with a condenser microphone. If you end up with one that doesn't supply standard phantom power, you could get an outboard power supply for your mic (battery powered, I assume, for stage-hopping), but better to get the right transmitter for the job. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 26/09/2018 10:30 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/25/2018 9:45 PM, wrote: Is it possible to use the new mini guitar wireless systems (Xvive for ex) with a mini condenser mic like the AKG C-519 horn/drum/piano mic using adapters ? I tried it but without impedance matching adapters and there was a wine if the mic is too close to the battery pack. I also tried using the Xvive with a regular SM58 and non impedense matching adapters and it seemed to work fine Is this what you have? http://www.xviveaudio.com/productInfo.asp?id=298 That has three good reasons why a respectable condenser mic won't work with it: 1. There's no phantom power 2. Its gain is set up to work with the output level of a guitar pickup, which is roughly 20 dB hotter than a mic level output. 3. The unbalanced high impedance input turns the mic cable into an antenna good for picking up stray RF and electromagnetic fields in the area. You need the kind of wireless transmitter that's designed to be used with a condenser microphone. If you end up with one that doesn't supply standard phantom power, you could get an outboard power supply for your mic (battery powered, I assume, for stage-hopping), but better to get the right transmitter for the job. Or more correctly 'DC bias voltage' , or whatever other term, 'cos no wireless body-pack TX that I know of does actual phantom power - just a straight +5(ish)VDC pin on the socket. But the good news is that you don't need to use the in-line phantom power adaptor, as the C519 can be powered directly from the PT4xxx TX via a TA4M-TA4F cable. If another brand TX, then a cable customised to that TX will be necessary, but should work the same. geoff |
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On 26/09/2018 10:30 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 9/25/2018 9:45 PM, wrote: Is it possible to use the new mini guitar wireless systems (Xvive for ex) with a mini condenser mic like the AKG C-519 horn/drum/piano mic using adapters ? I tried it but without impedance matching adapters and there was a wine if the mic is too close to the battery pack. I also tried using the Xvive with a regular SM58 and non impedense matching adapters and it seemed to work fine Is this what you have? http://www.xviveaudio.com/productInfo.asp?id=298 That looks pretty much 'snap-off' too, especially on a guitar with edge-mounted jack. ;-) geoff |
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In message , geoff
writes I do the warranty and other service on AKG gear in NZ. A while ago they had a plug-in guitar transmitter (now discontinued, for good reason), called a 'Snap-On'. Proved to be more of a snap-off. Hey Geoff, apologies for hi-jacking this thread, but it might be relevant.... I have an AKG PT40 dual system. Guitar and Mic. Both transmitters are encased in black, soft plastic and on both this has gone slightly sticky and squishy. Both still work, but it's uncomfortable in use. I had a very early tablet computer that went the same way and couldn't find any way of curing the problem. I wonder if there is any treatment to stabilise this? -- Bill --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 9/26/2018 6:50 AM, geoff wrote:
Or more correctly 'DC bias voltage' , or whatever other term, 'cos no wireless body-pack TX that I know of does actual phantom power - just a straight +5(ish)VDC pin on the socket. I think the official name for single-ended 3-5v mic power is "plug-in power." It's been around for ages, going back to the Walkman and similar-sized cassette recorders. I haven't done a full literature search (that's $75/hour) but I'm pretty sure I've seen some body pack wireless mic transmitters with an XLR connector and phantom power. However I've definitely seen plug-on-to-the-mic transmitters that have phantom power. No reason why you can't put one of those in your pocket and use a mic with a cable. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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wrote:
Hello good people, Is it possible to use the new mini guitar wireless systems (Xvive for ex) w= ith a mini condenser mic like the AKG C-519 horn/drum/piano mic using adapt= ers ?=20 Maybe, but why not use a conventional wireless pack which is designed for the job? You could certainly plug the C519M into a straight butt plug pack like the Sennheiser SKP500. Or you could probably gut the electronics hybrid out of it and run the element directly into a regular body pack like the Sennheiser SK100. I tried it but without impedance matching adapters and there was a wine if = the mic is too close to the battery pack. I also tried using the Xvive with= a regular SM58 and non impedense matching adapters and it seemed to work f= ine, I couldn=E2=80=99t hear the difference from an XLR cable. Problem is s= mall clip on sax mics are all condenser as far as I am aware of and the Xvi= ve will only work with dynamic mics) Translation: the Xvive does not provide phantom power. It's not intended to be used with microphones. Get a system intended for use with microphones. What I want to do is use my good condenser sax mic wirelessly with a mini l= ithium powered transmitter (no battery belt pack) and receiver like the Xvi= ve does for guitar. Any ideas ? If you absolutely HAVE to jam a mike into the bell of a sax (which is a terrible idea anyway if you ask me), just use a conventional wireless pack. A good wireless system will have an input pad that will allow you to turn it down so you don't overload the input stage of the pack. You can buy wireless packs today which are very very small. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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PStamler wrote:
There are some miniature condenser mics that power their headamps with batteries, so they don't need phantom power. Also there are small dynamic mikes like the Shure SM-11. If you have to jam a mike into the bell of a sax, you'd likely be better off with one of those anyway because they won't be so blatty. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Thanks Mike,
Btw not for €śstage hopping€ť but for doubling on sax and guitar without getting tangled up in cables. |
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Use condenser sax mic with xvive wireless guitar system ?
If you drop the guitar or side swipe it yes.
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Ive been wanting to try a lavalier mic for sax ... not so sure about it but worth a try ...
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On 26/09/2018 10:54 PM, Bill wrote:
In message , geoff writes I do the warranty and other service on AKG gear in NZ. A while ago they had a plug-in guitar transmitter (now discontinued, for good reason), called a 'Snap-On'. Proved to be more of a snap-off. Hey Geoff, apologies for hi-jacking this thread, but it might be relevant.... I have an AKG PT40 dual system. Guitar and Mic. Both transmitters are encased in black, soft plastic and on both this has gone slightly sticky and squishy. Both still work, but it's uncomfortable in use. I had a very early tablet computer that went the same way and couldn't find any way of curing the problem. I wonder if there is any treatment to stabilise this? Yeah I have seen (felt!) that before - really yukky. Not sure what circumstance causes it because it is only occasional. I think it is a satin coating on the plastic reacting with extreme humidity. Try rubbing it off with an iso-soaked rag. Better still strip out all the internals to do it, cos otherwise you can get liquid into the LCD window. geoff |
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On 27/09/2018 1:26 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Hello good people, Is it possible to use the new mini guitar wireless systems (Xvive for ex) w= ith a mini condenser mic like the AKG C-519 horn/drum/piano mic using adapt= ers ?=20 Maybe, but why not use a conventional wireless pack which is designed for the job? You could certainly plug the C519M into a straight butt plug pack like the Sennheiser SKP500. Or you could probably gut the electronics hybrid out of it and run the element directly into a regular body pack like the Sennheiser SK100. No need to gut anything. The mic itself has a Mini-XLR TA3M which normally plugs into the phantom preamp adaptor. The mic can go straight to an AKG or other bodypack without the phantom preamp module. geoff |
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