[LAB]

What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ‚¬) is
less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ‚¬). Frequency response seems
to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar
prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250‚¬ I'd have no doubts...

--
Gianluca

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , LAB wrote:
What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ‚¬) is
less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ‚¬). Frequency response seems
to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar
prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250‚¬ I'd have no doubts...

They are totally different sounding microphones. What kind of vocalist are
you working with?
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[LAB]

They are totally different sounding microphones. What kind of
vocalist are you working with?

Can you describe the difference? I've found several tests & recordings
with the KMS 105 also on youtube, but nothing about the S1. Does people not
like the S1?

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Gianluca

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , LAB wrote:
They are totally different sounding microphones. What kind of
vocalist are you working with?

Can you describe the difference? I've found several tests & recordings
with the KMS 105 also on youtube, but nothing about the S1. Does people not
like the S1?

The S1 is fine for people who sound good with the S1. It pops a lot more
easily than the KMS105. The KMS105 has a huge peaky and exaggerated top end
that makes it sound much like a U87 on-axis. That's good for people who
sound good on a U87, but sometimes it can be thin or screechy for other
people. The S1 is still pretty bright but less so than the KMS105, and
more nasal. Neither one is a neutral-sounding vocal mike. Both can be
good on the right vocalists and terrible on the wrong ones.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[LAB]

The S1 is fine for people who sound good with the S1. It pops a lot
more easily than the KMS105.
The KMS105 has a huge peaky and exaggerated top end that makes it
sound much like a U87 on-axis. That's good for people who sound good on a
U87, but sometimes it can be thin or screechy for other people.
The S1 is still pretty bright but less so than the KMS105, and more
nasal.

Do you know where can I find a recording test of the S1 on the net? It
could be a simple home recording of voice and/or singing.
I'm about to buy a used S1 for 130‚¬, a good price if it is in very good
conditions. I'm waiting for pictures from the seller. I'm buying and trying
many mics everytime I find them for a good price: Shure SM58, SM94, Beyer
TG-X58, Rode M1, Sennheiser E835, MD431, MD421 (and the old MD21!), Sony
stereo ECM-MS907, ECM-MS957 (i don't like it!)

I have built a mic with a SM94 condenser (electret) capsule I had,
mounted in a "chinese" mic body with a SM58 replacement grille. I have
copied and modified the SM94 electronics for a nearfield singer use. It has
very, very low pop sensitivity and handling noise.

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Gianluca

[Mike Rivers]

On 7/11/2011 11:55 AM, LAB wrote:

Do you know where can I find a recording test of the S1 on
the net? It could be a simple home recording of voice and/or
singing.

You don't seem to get what Scott's telling you. You really
don't know what the singer in such a demo recording sounds
like so you won't know if the mic is making him or her sound
good or sound bad.

Are you looking for a mic for yourself, or a general purpose
mic that you can use on whatever comes along? If you're
looking for yourself or a singer with whom you regularly
work, you should do whatever you have to in order to get one
to try. Either one is expensive enough so that a reputable
dealer should let you try it before making a decision. It's
the only way.

If you're looking for a general-use mic, you should still
try it, only try it on various singers and decide how useful
it will really be.




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operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and
interesting audio stuff

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On Monday, July 11, 2011 at 7:58:14 AM UTC-7, LAB wrote:
What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ‚¬) is
less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ‚¬). Frequency response seems
to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar
prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250‚¬ I'd have no doubts...

--
Gianluca

Always buy THE best mic you can afford! Test sing 'em and pop for what you can afford. I own a KMS105, and it is hands down THE best mic for my voice, that any dynamic, condenser and live condenser. I track with it and it's plain insane!! It beats everything in my cabinet, period. LOVE it!!!

[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:

Always buy THE best mic you can afford! Test sing 'em and pop for what you =
can afford. I own a KMS105, and it is hands down THE best mic for my voice,=
that any dynamic, condenser and live condenser. I track with it and it's =
plain insane!! It beats everything in my cabinet, period. LOVE it!!!

Absolutely. The problem is that the best mike for one voice is likely not
the best mike for another voice. And the best mike for one voice in one mix
might not be the right one for the same voice in another mix. It's that kind
of world.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

On Monday, July 11, 2011 at 7:58:14 AM UTC-7, LAB wrote:
What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ‚¬) is
less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ‚¬). Frequency response seems
to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar
prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250‚¬ I'd have no doubts...

--
Gianluca

In short, is the mic enabling or not? I Have 635's 58's 57's other cheaper so called live condensers, but I've never had a mic so enabling as the 105. Having said that, I have NOT tried the Rode S1, couldn't find it locally. It's on my list though..

[geoff]

On 8/12/2016 4:49 PM, wrote:
On Monday, July 11, 2011 at 7:58:14 AM UTC-7, LAB wrote:
What do you think about Rode S1? Its price for a new one here (220 ‚¬) is
less than a the half of a Neumann KSM 105 (490 ‚¬). Frequency response seems
to be very similar. Someone says S1 has less feedback problems. For similar
prices or if I could get a used KSM 105 for 250‚¬ I'd have no doubts...

--
Gianluca

In short, is the mic enabling or not? I Have 635's 58's 57's other cheaper so called live condensers, but I've never had a mic so enabling as the 105. Having said that, I have NOT tried the Rode S1, couldn't find it locally. It's on my list though..


Haven't got or played with KSM105, Have have and like the S1. But my
fave is C535B. Bonus is that they are just as useful for purposes other
than vocals - maybe that subconciously sways me.

geoff

[John Williamson]

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Is this conversation still valid 5 years after the original question was
asked and answered?

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Tciao for Now!

John.

[geoff]

On 8/12/2016 10:22 PM, John Williamson wrote:
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Is this conversation still valid 5 years after the original question was
asked and answered?



Are those mics still available ?

Did Gianluca feel inspired enough to post a reply ?

Would anybody benefit from that info now, or from something new that
could possibly be added ?

geoff

[Trevor]

On 8/12/2016 9:35 PM, geoff wrote:
On 8/12/2016 10:22 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Snip discussion of 5 year old postr

Is this conversation still valid 5 years after the original question was
asked and answered?

Are those mics still available ?

Yep.

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff wrote:

Haven't got or played with KSM105, Have have and like the S1. But my
fave is C535B. Bonus is that they are just as useful for purposes other
than vocals - maybe that subconciously sways me.

KMS105 is brighter on top and really, really forward sounding. It will pull
anything to the front of the mix more dramatically than a C535. This can be
wonderful and horrible depending.

The peaked up top will also exaggerate tonsil noise and lip noise for singers
who have issues with those. But it will also do some marvelous stuff to a
gravelly baritone.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[PStamler]

One major change: Shure has introduced the KSM9, designed for vocals and priced to compete with the KMS 105. When I reviewed the KSM9, I found that its batting average on vocalists was better than most mics'. It's not as glarey as the KMS 105, and I found it performed well with many more vocalists.

Peace,
Paul

[geoff]

On 10/12/2016 8:34 AM, PStamler wrote:
One major change: Shure has introduced the KSM9, designed for vocals and priced to compete with the KMS 105. When I reviewed the KSM9, I found that its batting average on vocalists was better than most mics'. It's not as glarey as the KMS 105, and I found it performed well with many more vocalists.

Peace,
Paul



Is the KMS-105 glaey in the same way a TLM-103 can be ?

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff wrote:
On 10/12/2016 8:34 AM, PStamler wrote:
One major change: Shure has introduced the KSM9, designed for vocals and priced to compete with the KMS 105. When I reviewed the KSM9, I found that its batting average on vocalists was better than most mics'. It's not as glarey as the KMS 105, and I found it performed well with many more vocalists.

Is the KMS-105 glaey in the same way a TLM-103 can be ?

Yes, and the U87 too. That glare is sometimes useful.
Not so much on sopranos, though.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."