I am sadly putting my Maggie MG-20 speakers up for sale. Their place
in our house is overcome by advances in living space (according to
some) and my lack of time to really enjoy them. These are truly
amazing speakers that can do some things like no others anywhere.
They are in excellent condition, lightly used, currenly beige cloth
with natural oak panels. When I got them they black on black. I have
the original black wood and cloth packed in the boxes and stored at
work. I haven't looked at this stuff in years so while I expect it's
in good condition I have not checked up on it recently. On one of the
speakers the funky connections that need an allen wrench broke so I
replaced it with a heavy duty five way binding post. On the other,
the connection plate is slightly dented, presumably from shipping. I
believe I am the second owner and they were that way when I got them.
I'm sure Magnepan can take care of replacing anything you'd like at a
reasonable price.

You should know, these need to be biamped. Ideally with big
amplifiers. They do not come with the speaker level crossover. They
DO come with a custom make line level Linkwitz-Reily crossover that is
adjustable in either 8 Hz or 17 Hz steps. I need to pop the cover to
see what the resistor values are to be sure. I built it in 1998 if
I'm not mistaken and have just enjoyed it since. The crossover has
adjustable gain to allow setting the level to suit the output of your
preamp or CD player. All adjustments in the crossover are through DIP
switches. 'm using a player with adjustable volume out so it's CD,
crossover, amps, speakers. There are two inputs on the crossover so
you can also use a preamp for records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would really prefer a local buyer. I do
have the original boxes so they can be shipped if required.

What is included:
- two speakers
- black wood trim and cloth, condition not guaranteed until I get out
the boxes
- original boxes
- custom made, active crossover

I may be convinced to let go of my amplification.

Shipping if required is at actual cost.

Sell for $5500.
Reply via email to xsdaver at cox dot net. Thanks.

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400

OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com:

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400



Brian,

You know that the price isn't $1400. It is more than that.

Why do you lie?


r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com:

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400



Brian,

You know that the price isn't $1400. It is more than that.

Why do you lie?


r

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION
wrote:

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair
at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good
condition.

The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be
factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less
than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price,
the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their
equipment is worth.

On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple.

Bluebook says:
-------------

http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm


"The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.*
Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The
used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the
product for in 30 days or less.
*
The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the
actual marketplace"

Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is
rejected.

I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There
are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt)
.. Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He
is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion.

The only reason I read his stuff and not KILLFILE him is that for the most
part it is a chuckle. He ain't going away, so at least he serves a purpose,
making me laugh! So just sit back watch the one legged man in an ass
kicking contest and laugh till your blue in the face.

In article . net,
says...
I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There
are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt)
. Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He
is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion.

Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if
you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not
expect to get retail prices for your used equipment.
--------------
Alex

In article . net,
says...
I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There
are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt)
. Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He
is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion.

Actually, he lists the price that a dealer will typically offer you if
you try to trade in your equipment. For a private sale, you should not
expect to get retail prices for your used equipment.
--------------
Alex

I haven't posted here in a long while, but I lets get this straight. There
are SEVERAL prices listed in the bluebook (from mint floor to trade in dirt)
.. Mr. Sleazebag McCarty ONLY reports the lowest price for everything. He
is a mentally incompetent troll with a serious delusion.

The only reason I read his stuff and not KILLFILE him is that for the most
part it is a chuckle. He ain't going away, so at least he serves a purpose,
making me laugh! So just sit back watch the one legged man in an ass
kicking contest and laugh till your blue in the face.

OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com:

On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple.

Bluebook says:
-------------

http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm


"The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.*
Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".*
The
used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell
the
product for in 30 days or less.
*
The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the
actual marketplace"

Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint
is
rejected.



Brian,

You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying
as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value
or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright.


r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:46:34 -0000, Rich Andrews
wrote:

OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ews.com:

On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple.

Bluebook says:
-------------

http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm


"The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.*
Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".*
The
used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell
the
product for in 30 days or less.
*
The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the
actual marketplace"

Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint
is
rejected.



Brian,

You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying
as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value
or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright.


Brian,
I know that this is not always the case. I used to own a small
company and one year we listed an amp in the Audio Equipment
Directory. Never made one, even a prototype. Somehow, the blue book
had prices for these published shortly thereafter. So no matter what
they say, I believe a lot of it is BS.

Dave

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:46:34 -0000, Rich Andrews
wrote:

OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ews.com:

On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple.

Bluebook says:
-------------

http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm


"The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.*
Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".*
The
used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell
the
product for in 30 days or less.
*
The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the
actual marketplace"

Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint
is
rejected.



Brian,

You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying
as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value
or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright.


Brian,
I know that this is not always the case. I used to own a small
company and one year we listed an amp in the Audio Equipment
Directory. Never made one, even a prototype. Somehow, the blue book
had prices for these published shortly thereafter. So no matter what
they say, I believe a lot of it is BS.

Dave

OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote in
ws.com:

On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple.

Bluebook says:
-------------

http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm


"The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.*
Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".*
The
used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell
the
product for in 30 days or less.
*
The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the
actual marketplace"

Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint
is
rejected.



Brian,

You can reject all you want, but the fact of the matter is you are lying
as the price you quoted was NOT the used price. It was the trade-in value
or what a dealer would purchase the item for outright.


r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

On 26/10/03 6:38, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple.

Bluebook says:
-------------

http://www.orionbluebook.com/orion/company/faq.htm


"The used prices are derived from dealer surveys gathered nationwide.*
Dealers are asked to provide the "selling price" and "days to sell".* The
used price is then calculated based on what an average store could sell the
product for in 30 days or less.
*
The price has proven to be an accurate reflection of the
actual marketplace"

Therefore the bluebook price documents ACTUAL SALES and your complaint is
rejected.

Dave wrote in
:

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION
wrote:

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair
at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good
condition.

The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be
factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less
than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price,
the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their
equipment is worth.


Dave,

Don't worry, Brian lies or lies by omission every single time he posts.

Here is what Orion *really* says about the speakers.

"MAGNEPAN
SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY

Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER

Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000
Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $9,200.00
USED: $3,100.00
Wholesale
Mint: $2,100.00
Average: $1,400.00"

That $1400.00 figure is trade-in value and NOT what anyone would sell them
for dealer or not. In addition the prices are simple guidelines, and are
subject to market variations, etc. A quick check on Ebay will generally
be a good indicator of what the market value is for a given item. Given
that the target audience for the data is a dealer here is what Orion says
about the prices published.

"Definition of price catagories

Used Retail value of used equipment representing the current open market
price for a specific product or fair market value. The used price reflects
what a product can be resold for within 30 days. This information has been
determined by national dealer surveys.

Mint (wholesale) Value paid to the customer if the unit is in
excellent working order and appearance.

Average (wholesale) Average value paid to the customer for a product

MSRP Manufacturer's Suggested Selling Price. This value represents the
most recent manufacturer's suggested selling price. It does not represent
any discounts applied."

So you see, Brian is just a lying troll.

r

PS. Thanks to Orion Bluebook for providing these prices.

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment
newsgroups fairly closely.

I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall
ever
seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised
on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person
buying them).

Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths.

"MAGNEPAN
SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY

Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER

Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000
Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $9,200.00
USED: $3,100.00
Wholesale
Mint: $2,100.00
Average: $1,400.00"

"jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374
@attbi_s01:

I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used
equipment
newsgroups fairly closely.

I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't
recall
ever
seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were
advertised
on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the
person
buying them).

I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and
is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that
a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a
realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before
and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might
consider doing that.

Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still
just a recommended guideline.

One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their
speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion
prices will be off by at least 50%.

Here is a listing that I am familiar with.

"MCINTOSH
SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT

Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS

Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993

Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $4,600.00
USED: $1,700.00
Wholesale
Mint: $1,100.00
Average: $750.00"

$1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair.
It is not even close to real world prices.

Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite
other examples but why bother.

I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a
troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for
equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates
a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he
intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think
a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC
anti-social behavior.


r




Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths.

"MAGNEPAN
SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY

Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER

Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000
Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $9,200.00
USED: $3,100.00
Wholesale
Mint: $2,100.00
Average: $1,400.00"







--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"jav" wrote in news:T1Rmb.35735$HS4.126374
@attbi_s01:

I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used
equipment
newsgroups fairly closely.

I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't
recall
ever
seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were
advertised
on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the
person
buying them).

I quite agree and the whole point is that is what one company reports and
is subject to a variey of conditions including errors. I find it odd that
a 3 YO speaker would be listed at 1/3 of its MSRP. 1/2 is closer to a
realistic price. I have emailed Orion and told them about errors before
and they checked and indeed it was an error and they fixed it. You might
consider doing that.

Bottom line is that while the Orion is better than nothing, it is still
just a recommended guideline.

One also has to be careful about how the original manufacturer sold their
speakers. If the coompany sold them singly and not in pairs, the Orion
prices will be off by at least 50%.

Here is a listing that I am familiar with.

"MCINTOSH
SPK, XRT- 22 OAK/WALNUT

Description: 3-WAY, (2)12" WOOFERS, 8" MIDRANGE, (23)1" TWEETERS

Manufacture Years: 1986 - 1993

Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $4,600.00
USED: $1,700.00
Wholesale
Mint: $1,100.00
Average: $750.00"

$1700 is an insanely cheap price if one thinks that is a price per pair.
It is not even close to real world prices.

Even at $3400 per pair, the valuation is off by $800 to $1000. I can cite
other examples but why bother.

I look at it this way, even the most casual reader knows the BMC is a
troll and lies with nearly every posting. He even makes up prices for
equipment that isn't listed in the BB. On the plus side he/she/it creates
a lot of attention for the item and helps sell it. On the minus side, he
intimidates the hell out of people who might list something here. I think
a BMC FAQ should be posted every few weeks that factually addresses BMC
anti-social behavior.


r




Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths.

"MAGNEPAN
SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY

Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER

Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000
Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $9,200.00
USED: $3,100.00
Wholesale
Mint: $2,100.00
Average: $1,400.00"







--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

I happen to own Magnepan speakers (1.6QR's) and I follow the used equipment
newsgroups fairly closely.

I would point out that the "USED: $3100" price is ludicrous. I can't recall
ever
seeing a pair of MG-20's under $4500. If an excellent pair were advertised
on Audiogon for $3100 it would be sold in hours (and I might be the person
buying them).

Regarding this thread, too bad there isn't a spam filter for sociopaths.

"MAGNEPAN
SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY

Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER

Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000
Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $9,200.00
USED: $3,100.00
Wholesale
Mint: $2,100.00
Average: $1,400.00"

Dave wrote in
:

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION
wrote:

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair
at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good
condition.

The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be
factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less
than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price,
the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their
equipment is worth.


Dave,

Don't worry, Brian lies or lies by omission every single time he posts.

Here is what Orion *really* says about the speakers.

"MAGNEPAN
SPK, MG-20/R 3-WAY

Description: 880 SQ" PLANAR-MAGNETIC, 48x3" MID, 60x1/8" RIB TWEETER

Manufacture Years: 1992 - 2000
Additional Information:

Click here for a definition of Bluebook prices.
Retail
MSRP: $9,200.00
USED: $3,100.00
Wholesale
Mint: $2,100.00
Average: $1,400.00"

That $1400.00 figure is trade-in value and NOT what anyone would sell them
for dealer or not. In addition the prices are simple guidelines, and are
subject to market variations, etc. A quick check on Ebay will generally
be a good indicator of what the market value is for a given item. Given
that the target audience for the data is a dealer here is what Orion says
about the prices published.

"Definition of price catagories

Used Retail value of used equipment representing the current open market
price for a specific product or fair market value. The used price reflects
what a product can be resold for within 30 days. This information has been
determined by national dealer surveys.

Mint (wholesale) Value paid to the customer if the unit is in
excellent working order and appearance.

Average (wholesale) Average value paid to the customer for a product

MSRP Manufacturer's Suggested Selling Price. This value represents the
most recent manufacturer's suggested selling price. It does not represent
any discounts applied."

So you see, Brian is just a lying troll.

r

PS. Thanks to Orion Bluebook for providing these prices.

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:44:34 GMT, OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION
wrote:

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400

Please provide documentation where there was even one sale at that
price. Or even double that. Or show where there is a pair for sale
now at that price. Or double. Or even triple. You may find a pair
at triple that, but I haven't seen one yet. At least not in good
condition.

The Blue Book is published to provide dealers with what appears to be
factual data so they can show customers what they have is worth less
than it is. The dealer gets the trade in at a bargain basement price,
the consumer gets ripped off because they've seen in print what their
equipment is worth.

On 5/10/03 3:18, in article ,
"Dave" wrote:

records or whatever.

I'm in Northern Virginia and would


BLUEBOOK value, $1400