Ah..good to see somebody is doing something rather than being an armchair
critic. I wish more would step forward to expose other companies selling $50
China made cables for more than 10 times after rebranding them. And also
don't forget about Loudspeakers car audio equipments. JREF how about making
an official complaint against snake oil peddlers?

Tara Labs Raided - Over 42,000 Cables Seized

written by: Jerry Del Colliano
date: September 13, 2004


Police raided the offices and warehouse of Ashland, Oregon-based high-end
audio cable company Tara Labs last week, according to news sources. The raid
is reportedly due to the company falsely claiming to make their cables in
the United States when they were outsourcing the manufacturing overseas.

Mathew Bond, the founder of Tara Labs, denies knowing of the infraction and
claims, "These mistakes were rectified and won't happen here again." That
might not be good enough for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE),
which has been tracking the alleged violations since 2000.

The raids come just days before the CEDIA trade show that highlights the
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was not
in attendance at the show.

Other high-end cable manufacturers spoke out about the scandal, suggesting
that there may be more cable companies that do worse than repackage cable
from China. This scandal and any potential conviction could do great harm to
the high-end cable business. AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems. Critics say cables make no difference in
an AV system, but they are wrong. Hopefully, the Tara Labs scandal will not
taint the consumers' view on the need for high-performance cables in home
theater systems.

Source: Mail Tribune

source: http://www.audiorevolution.com/news/

This has very little to do with so-called "snake oil" and more about truth
in labeling. "Made in USA" as a label has to have a certain amount of US
content (90% or 75% I don't recall which).

On 9/14/04 7:27 PM, in article , "Chelvam"
wrote:

Ah..good to see somebody is doing something rather than being an armchair
critic. I wish more would step forward to expose other companies selling $50
China made cables for more than 10 times after rebranding them. And also
don't forget about Loudspeakers car audio equipments. JREF how about making
an official complaint against snake oil peddlers?

Tara Labs Raided - Over 42,000 Cables Seized

written by: Jerry Del Colliano
date: September 13, 2004


Police raided the offices and warehouse of Ashland, Oregon-based high-end
audio cable company Tara Labs last week, according to news sources. The raid
is reportedly due to the company falsely claiming to make their cables in
the United States when they were outsourcing the manufacturing overseas.

Mathew Bond, the founder of Tara Labs, denies knowing of the infraction and
claims, "These mistakes were rectified and won't happen here again." That
might not be good enough for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE),
which has been tracking the alleged violations since 2000.

The raids come just days before the CEDIA trade show that highlights the
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was not
in attendance at the show.

Other high-end cable manufacturers spoke out about the scandal, suggesting
that there may be more cable companies that do worse than repackage cable
from China. This scandal and any potential conviction could do great harm to
the high-end cable business. AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems. Critics say cables make no difference in
an AV system, but they are wrong. Hopefully, the Tara Labs scandal will not
taint the consumers' view on the need for high-performance cables in home
theater systems.

Source: Mail Tribune

source: http://www.audiorevolution.com/news/

Chelvam wrote:
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was not
in attendance at the show.

from China. This scandal and any potential conviction could do great harm to
the high-end cable business. AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems. Critics say cables make no difference in
an AV system, but they are wrong.

Can someone be arrested for erecitn a straw man? Because if so, someone
needs to call the cops on this reporter.

Hopefully, the Tara Labs scandal will not
taint the consumers' view on the need for high-performance cables in home
theater systems.

LOL.



--
-S
Your a boring little troll. How does it feel? Go blow your bad breath elsewhere.

On 14 Sep 2004 23:27:44 GMT, "Chelvam" wrote:

The raids come just days before the CEDIA trade show that highlights the
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was not
in attendance at the show.

One down, a dozen or so to go......................

Other high-end cable manufacturers spoke out about the scandal, suggesting
that there may be more cable companies that do worse than repackage cable
from China.

Such as false claims of improved sound?

This scandal and any potential conviction could do great harm to
the high-end cable business.

Excellent!

AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems.

Yup - not a penny for R&D, but millions for marketing and
'education'............

Critics say cables make no difference in
an AV system, but they are wrong. Hopefully, the Tara Labs scandal will not
taint the consumers' view on the need for high-performance cables in home
theater systems.

Hopefully, this reporter Jerry del Colliano will also be arrested for
making false declarations!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
Chelvam wrote:
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was
not
in attendance at the show.

from China. This scandal and any potential conviction could do great
harm to
the high-end cable business. AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along
with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of
cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems. Critics say cables make no difference
in
an AV system, but they are wrong.

Can someone be arrested for erecitn a straw man? Because if so, someone
needs to call the cops on this reporter.

Hopefully, the Tara Labs scandal will not
taint the consumers' view on the need for high-performance cables in
home
theater systems.

LOL.

Is this guy reporting about Tara labs misfortune or is he trying to assert
the need for high end cable?

Steven Sullivan wrote in message ...
Chelvam wrote:
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was not
in attendance at the show.

from China. This scandal and any potential conviction could do great harm to
the high-end cable business. AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems. Critics say cables make no difference in
an AV system, but they are wrong.

Can someone be arrested for erecitn a straw man? Because if so, someone
needs to call the cops on this reporter.


Aren't you being a bit *too* sensetive to the issue, Steve? Cables do
make a difference: Firstly, if you didn't have any cables, your system
wouldn't work. Secondly, if you had really sucky POS cables chances
are your system wouldn't work as well as it could. The reporter didn't
say what sort of difference cables make, nor did s/he directly suggest
that Monster or Transparent cables were superior to other brands. Yes,
that last sentence shouldn't have gotten past the editor for a number
of reasons, but audio performance ain't one of them.


Hopefully, the Tara Labs scandal will not
taint the consumers' view on the need for high-performance cables in home
theater systems.

LOL.

Again, the reporter hasn't suggested *which* cable brands might be
"high-performance", or even that Tara Labs' cables *are* high
performance. In fact, the reporter has almost cleverly avoided making
any such implications throughout the article (...almost makes you
wonder if that was intentional?). Really poor writing, yes, but hardly
the strawman that snake oil salesmen are often foisting around these
parts.

Steven Sullivan wrote in message ...
cut
Can someone be arrested for erecitn a straw man? Because if so, someone
needs to call the cops on this reporter.
cut remainder

I don't think the "reporter" is a reporter.

Here's the original article:

http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2...ries/02biz.htm

As you can see, it doesn't include any editorial on cables.

The article linked and quoted in the original post appear on the
http://audiorevolution.com/ site. If you look up the information on
the site registration (I use http://www.samspade.org/t), you'll find
that the author of the article in the original post is also the owner
of the http://audiorevolution.com/ site, which appears to include
advertising from manufacturers
(http://www.audiorevolution.com/home/sponsor/index.html), some of whom
appear to be cable manufacturers (or perhaps cable "relabelers").

B&D wrote in message ...
This has very little to do with so-called "snake oil" and more about truth
in labeling. "Made in USA" as a label has to have a certain amount of US
content (90% or 75% I don't recall which).


Yes, it was a case of product misdescription. But still, when I read
some of the claims made by the manufacturers, such as custom made,
some weird technology process to justify the price, I think they are
worse than snake oil peddlers.

I am waiting for another top High End cable to be nabbed. This
particular cable is being made in China. The same cable (Made in
China), with a different colour and brand being sold for a mere $50.
And the USA High End brand at least 10 times that. No, that is not
wrong. But manipulating facts to give an impression what's not there
is wrong.

Some points to take notice of when buying any product:-

Made in US is not the same as US Designed or US patented (applicable
for any countries). The more difficult for you to find the place of
manufacturer the more likely they were made elsewhere. Very often, you
see the name of product and below that the country's name - Definitely
manufactured elsewhere. Such distinction, becoming blurred nowadays.
Very often, they deliberately leave out Made in ----- and market both
products together making it difficult to figure out which is from US
or from other countries.

Please take note, the example given above applicable to other products
such as sunglasses, jeans and car audio. The cable mentioned above was
not based on "official" source but the facts can be verified.

Happy shopping. I believe we can see some huge discount on some cables
and maybe some Amplifiers and Loudspeakers.

Chelvam wrote:
"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
Chelvam wrote:
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was
from China. This scandal and any potential conviction could do great
harm to
the high-end cable business. AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along
with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of
cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems. Critics say cables make no difference
in
an AV system, but they are wrong.

Can someone be arrested for erecitn a straw man? Because if so, someone
needs to call the cops on this reporter.

Hopefully, the Tara Labs scandal will not
taint the consumers' view on the need for high-performance cables in
home
theater systems.

LOL.

Is this guy reporting about Tara labs misfortune or is he trying to assert
the need for high end cable?

Both, obviously.



--
-S
Your a boring little troll. How does it feel? Go blow your bad breath elsewhere.

Buster Mudd wrote:
Steven Sullivan wrote in message ...
Chelvam wrote:
best in audio/video targeting the custom installer market. Tara Labs was not
in attendance at the show.

from China. This scandal and any potential conviction could do great harm to
the high-end cable business. AV industry icons like Noel Lee, founder of
Monster Cable, and Karen Sumner, president of Transparent cable, along with
others, have spent millions marketing and teaching the importance of cables
for mid-to-high-level AV systems. Critics say cables make no difference in
an AV system, but they are wrong.

Can someone be arrested for erecitn a straw man? Because if so, someone
needs to call the cops on this reporter.


Aren't you being a bit *too* sensetive to the issue, Steve? Cables do
make a difference:


Of course cables *can* make a difference...and NO ONE I have ever seen,
even at the furthest end of the objectivist side of the spectrum, has said
otherwise. *That's* why writing 'critics say cables make no
difference', with no qualification, is a straw man, Buster.


--
-S
Your a boring little troll. How does it feel? Go blow your bad breath elsewhere.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message

Other high-end cable manufacturers spoke out about the scandal, suggesting
that there may be more cable companies that do worse than repackage cable
from China.

Such as false claims of improved sound?

There are dozens and dozens of different speaker cables out there.
Some of them "look" quite complicated or "exotic" with transformer
like boxes, etc.
Are some of them *designed* to change the sound when compared to a
simple cable, whereas you may be able to pick one out in a dbt (I
realize this topic, per say, is off limits)?

Also, could some cables be *harmful* to speakers or amplifiers? I
remember hearing some years back that some exotic speaker cables could
cause havoc in a system. Is this an issue in cables available today?

Robert C. Lang

On 17 Sep 2004 03:10:54 GMT, (Robert C. Lang)
wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message

Other high-end cable manufacturers spoke out about the scandal, suggesting
that there may be more cable companies that do worse than repackage cable
from China.

Such as false claims of improved sound?

There are dozens and dozens of different speaker cables out there.
Some of them "look" quite complicated or "exotic" with transformer
like boxes, etc.
Are some of them *designed* to change the sound when compared to a
simple cable, whereas you may be able to pick one out in a dbt (I
realize this topic, per say, is off limits)?

Some of them certainly roll off the treble. It's interesting that
you'll pay $50,000 or more for a pair of ultra high end speakers with
Beryllium or ceramic tweeters which extend the response past 30kHz,
and then your friendly dealer will charge you several thousands more
to have that treble rolled off by MIT, Transparent, Tara etc. :-)

Also, could some cables be *harmful* to speakers or amplifiers? I
remember hearing some years back that some exotic speaker cables could
cause havoc in a system. Is this an issue in cables available today?

Cables such as Alpha-Core 'Goertz' MI still exhibit the extremely high
capacitance which caused many old Naim power amps to let the magic
blue smoke out of the transistors, but the difference is that modern
amps are not prone to the poor stability which allows these cables to
be a problem. Naim are still best avoided, as they insist that the
customer supply a blocking inductor in the form of Naim's own
treble-droopy cable.

p.s. If you *like* the droopy sound of those 'exotic' cables with
little boxes attached, Naim NACA 5 will give you identical sound for a
lot less money and no connecting hassle! Basic engineering, as opposed
to snake-oil.....................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering