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I'm in the process of writing a short essay for my music recording industry class, in which I need to describe the type of gear that I would use for a demo recording project. I was hoping I could get some suggestions for some types of microphones to propose in my paper. I need to name specific brands, and they need to be high end professional microphones, retailing at $2000 or more.
I need microphones for the following sources: - Snare drum - Kick drum - Toms - Drum overheads - Vocal mic for a high pitch, screamo-style heavy metal singer Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! |
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Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! My suggestions would almost certainly be unpopular. Pick up a couple copies of Mix magazine and look at any of the articles about how particular albums were recorded. Pick an album you like. Try picking the mikes they used. I mean, I'd use a Sennheiser 441 on almost everything but it's not $2,000. Not yet, anyway. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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wrote: Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! My suggestions would almost certainly be unpopular. Pick up a couple copies of Mix magazine and look at any of the articles about how particular albums were recorded. Pick an album you like. Try picking the mikes they used. I mean, I'd use a Sennheiser 441 on almost everything but it's not $2,000. Not yet, anyway. --scott I find the assignment as described outrageously stupid and irrelevant. Is _this_ how youngsters are to be brought up to competence in audio recording? Any mic works for any source, for some value of "works". (Apologies to Tonebarge.) -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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On Sat 2012-Jul-28 21:14, Mike Rivers writes: I was hoping I could get some suggestions for some types of microphones to propose in my paper. I need to name specific brands, and they need to be high end snip remainder of poorly formed query What type of demo? What's the purpose? What's the budget for recording the demo? Who's paying for it. What sort of facility, room used, etcetera? If it's of an unsigned artist attempting to get signed by a label, they'll expect to hear essentially a finished recording. You, who don't know doodlysquat about microphones and are still in school have no business trying to record such a demo. He needs to go to a professional studio with a knowledgable engineer and producer. They may choose among dozens of mics ranging in cost from (to be realistic) $100 to $3,000. They'll use what works best for the material being recorded, and it may not be the same microphones for every song. IF this dude's going to audio school, he needs to be able to formulate his thoughts a little better, or that school isn't teaching him much. dO Mike and I sound a little harsh here? Sorry about that, but your question is very poorly formulated, and yes I know it's for some sort of paper, but that whole thing's rather vague. You'll have to do better if you want other than sarcastic comments from us old dogs been doing this for awhile. If you're doing a demo to get a gig at a coffee house, you can do it just fine with inexpensive microphones. Yeah right, but we don't know waht this guy's doing. What school is this? IF you're not any better equipped to formulate your questions than that I don't think I'd want to hire you. Learn to do your own research. But first, learn what you need to find out. Well said. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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Richard Webb wrote:
IF this dude's going to audio school, he needs to be able to formulate his thoughts a little better, or that school isn't teaching him much. I'd try a different school. But if he hasn't already worked that out for himself, then maybe it IS the right school ...... geoff |
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On Sun 2012-Jul-29 05:04, Frank Stearns writes: IF this dude's going to audio school, he needs to be able to formulate his thoughts a little better, or that school isn't teaching him much. snip And, another grumpy old man here, but anyone getting into this racket needs to get used to that in any event. (Even the nicest guys can get cranky when the client is shelling out $5K+/hour for top players, say a string and horn section. They don't want you, say, as a second engineer, fumbling around for an SD cardioide that didn't match something on the list you remember from this exercise... What exercise? I haven't seen anything from the op which would tell me that he's actually expected to have learned anything, except how to parrot back what he's heard or read maybe. "Woe is me! I can't find any KM184s!" rotflmao!!! If the exercise truly is as stated, then I'm a little underwhelmed by the instructor. It's largely meaningless without some kind of context. ME too. Please give us the instructor's name and the school you're attending so we know to give its graduates the bum's rush when they come calling. IF we're all wet please restate your query more coherently. If "background building" is the mission here (contrasted with actually having a sense of which mic to use when), the better question might be: "Study various manufacturer product lines. Do some research into what folks are using/have used on a spread of sessions. For this paper, your clientele and projects are likely to be X, and Y, while your equipment budget is Z. What products would you be likely to put in your microphone locker and why? Defend your choices." Indeed! Such an exercise causes the student to actually engage a few brain cells and learn a few things. An exercise as stated by the original poster just sees if he can parrot what he's read in some magazines and on the internet. - extra credit to recast the clientele and projects; see how your locker contents might (or might not) change. Indeed! IN fact, when I was first setting up for remote truck a few years ago I went through a very similar exercise, with an eye toward having to spend my own money. Then additional factors I had to consider we What might I be able to rent that isn't in my locker? oF that which isn't available on the rental market how often might I choose it? What might sound reinforcement providers already have available? - extra credit if you research the pros and cons of owning "vintage" microphones, and discuss what you found out.... Indeed, that would be a great student exercise for such a course. Regards, Richard .... Remote audio in the southland: See www.gatasound.com -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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недеља, 29. јул 2012. 05.26.38 UTC+2, Scott Dorsey је написао/ла:
wrote: Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! My suggestions would almost certainly be unpopular. Pick up a couple copies of Mix magazine and look at any of the articles about how particular albums were recorded. Pick an album you like. Try picking the mikes they used. I mean, I'd use a Sennheiser 441 on almost everything but it's not $2,000.. Not yet, anyway. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I'd do so if I had more than one. Once it get to $2000, I'll sell it and buy 20SM57s. Not realy. |
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On Sun 2012-Jul-29 12:36, Frank Stearns writes: - extra credit to recast the clientele and projects; see how your locker contents might (or might not) change. Indeed! IN fact, when I was first setting up for remote truck a few years ago I went through a very similar exercise, with an eye toward having to spend my own money. Then additional factors I had to consider we What might I be able to rent that isn't in my locker? Of that which isn't available on the rental market how often might I choose it? snip Great extensions to the assignment, Richard: adding a little bit of Business 101 as far as the amount of projected use of a given mic during its amortization period, and weighing renting vs. buying. Which might have been just the assignment I'd give one student. YOu're going to be doing field recording, or remote, whatever you wish to call it. I might give each student a different wrinkle on the assignment, not just to write a paper, but to present before the class. But then, I'm not a teacher at a recording school. And indeed, if you can "piggyback" with PA companies you know and trust (and vice versa), that too is another good consideration. Right, which I knew going in that pa companies would be using certain microphones pretty regularly. THe ubiquitous Shure 57 and 58 come to mind, etc. IF you recall, a few years ago I put this question to this group just tosee what other folks came up with, and got some good responses, but from the usual suspects who know waht they're about of course. So, before the op decides to get offended at us crotchety old men I hope he reads this thread with an eye toward learning something, and realizes that if his school isn't teaching him any better than is evidenced by his post here he should demand his money back. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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Apologies for the double post, and thanks to those of you who posted helpful replies. To anyone else who is planning on posting any more helpful replies, you should know that I won't be reading this forum anymore, and I would hate for anyone to waste their time.
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Locrian wrote:
Apologies for the double post, and thanks to those of you who posted helpfu= l replies. To anyone else who is planning on posting any more helpful repl= ies, you should know that I won't be reading this forum anymore, and I woul= d hate for anyone to waste their time. That's a shame, since I am kind of curious what the motivation behind the assignment is. I'm assuming it was an attempt to get students familiar with high end microphones and what is out there. Which is kind of curious, since I can think of better ways of doing that that might require a bit more thought. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Sun 2012-Jul-29 21:08, Scott Dorsey writes: Apologies for the double post, and thanks to those of you who posted helpfu= l replies. To anyone else who is planning on posting any more helpful replies, you should know that I won't be reading this forum anymore, and I would hate for anyone to waste their time. That's a shame, since I am kind of curious what the motivation behind the assignment is. I was sort of curious myself, as if the instructor gave him no other info than he gave us then the instructor is truly serving his students poorly imho. But, I'm thinking it was just a guy looking to make demos in his basement and thought that the "I'm a student at a recording studio ... " approach might help him out. I'm assuming it was an attempt to get students familiar with high end microphones and what is out there. Which is kind of curious, since I can think of better ways of doing that that might require a bit more thought. --scott I can too, I sure wouldn't be talking about recording screamo type stuff to introduce students to higher end microphones. A string quartet maybe. But then again, I'd discuss all sorts of aspects of microphones, have one student discuss what he'd want in the mic locker for a film sound operation, or an orchestra in (name your environment here) etc. I can think of a lot better ways, and yes, maybe one of the assignments for one student might be standard rock sessions in the usual way, but I'd try to expose my students to a variety of techniques and environments, and hopefully if one of my students came to a group such as this they'd be able to formulate their question much better than this poor kid. Whatever recording school this is, I think this kid needs to demand his money back. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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