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What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? thanks Mark |
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https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor...539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 14/06/2016 14:00, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor...539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. --scott Looking at the lights that seem to be on the face, maybe it's a balance meter? -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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wrote: https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor....13685.1129847 65391007/1234830146539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. --scott Sansui reverb unit. david |
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(Scott Dorsey) : wrote: https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor....13685.1129847 65391007/1234830146539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. Sansui reverb unit. Bingo! Beautiful call! --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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david gourley wrote: (Scott Dorsey) said...news:njov4p$l0m$1 @panix2.panix.com: wrote: https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor....13685.1129847 65391007/1234830146539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. Sansui reverb unit. Bingo! Beautiful call! --scott Thank you! Is that the same type of unit that was being used early-on in radio stations during the 60s, or was it something else? david |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 11:06:27 AM UTC-4, david gourley wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) : david gourley wrote: (Scott Dorsey) said...news:njov4p$l0m$1 @panix2.panix.com: wrote: https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor....13685.1129847 65391007/1234830146539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. Sansui reverb unit. Bingo! Beautiful call! --scott Thank you! Is that the same type of unit that was being used early-on in radio stations during the 60s, or was it something else? david yeah, good call... Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? If you Google "WABC reverb" there is a bunch of 60's top 40 radio history. M |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 10:29:04 AM UTC-4, david gourley wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) : wrote: https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor....13685.1129847 65391007/1234830146539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. --scott Sansui reverb unit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWVGhcuIzww Jack david |
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said...news:0803803e-eb60-47c4-97a0-1b968ce08f18
@googlegroups.com: On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 11:06:27 AM UTC-4, david gourley wrote: (Scott Dorsey) said...news:njp4g2$gt1$1 @panix2.panix.com: david gourley wrote: (Scott Dorsey) said...news:njov4p$l0m$1 @panix2.panix.com: wrote: https://www.facebook.com/JamesTaylor....13685.1129847 65391007/1234830146539791/?type=3 What is the device in upper right on top of the meter bridge? It's clearly something custom, built into a 1970s consumer cabinet. You can see there is a knob missing and the controls are hand-labelled. My first thought was that it started out life as a Pioneer reverb unit, but I don't think that's the case. Sansui reverb unit. Bingo! Beautiful call! --scott Thank you! Is that the same type of unit that was being used early-on in radio stations during the 60s, or was it something else? david yeah, good call... Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? If you Google "WABC reverb" there is a bunch of 60's top 40 radio history. M I'm sure it was a great effect somewhere if they wanted it as such. Clearly the Sansui is a 70s unit, so I wondered what came before that. Some good refs on that search, thanks. I'd seen Jim Hawkins' page before. So, the big guys were actually using an EMT plate. david |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 12:06:59 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. I see. So they put something into the "mix" that actually wasn't there, because, otherwise, it would sound bland. Jack -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. -- Les Cargill |
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On 6/14/2016 1:01 PM, JackA wrote:
So they put something into the "mix" that actually wasn't there, because, otherwise, it would sound bland. Did I say "bland?" No, I don't think so. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 4:47:57 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 1:01 PM, JackA wrote: So they put something into the "mix" that actually wasn't there, because, otherwise, it would sound bland. Did I say "bland?" No, I don't think so. "... it gave them something they wanted to hear". What is this "something" then? Confused. Jack -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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david gourley wrote:
Is that the same type of unit that was being used early-on in radio stations during the 60s, or was it something else? Some radio stations did use spring reverbs in their airchain. One of our local Honolulu stations used a Fisher Spacexpander, but I know some other units got pressed into service. AM stations back then did some crazy processing stuff in order to sound different and to come across well on that 4X6 speaker in the middle of everyone's car dashboard. That did occasionally mean a little reverb to thicken things up. However, the spring reverb is more noted for being one of the fundamental sounds of the dub reggae movement, rather than its occasional use in broadcast. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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david gourley wrote:
Clearly the Sansui is a 70s unit, so I wondered what came before that. Some good refs on that search, thanks. I'd seen Jim Hawkins' page before. So, the big guys were actually using an EMT plate. Back then your choices were a plate or a reverb chamber if you had money, or a spring if you didn't. Many classic recording studios were known for their reverb chambers. Not much plate or chamber was used in the American broadcast world just because they were so expensive and reverb wasn't that heavily used. But the classic Radio Moscow sound seemed to come mostly from a peculiarly configured reverb chamber. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 14 Jun 2016, JackA wrote in
rec.audio.pro: Confused. Every single post you make here is based on profound confusion. You invent false "facts" to support your lies. You understand nothing. To try to un-confuse you would be a full-time job. |
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On 6/14/2016 5:33 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
david gourley wrote: Clearly the Sansui is a 70s unit, so I wondered what came before that. Some good refs on that search, thanks. I'd seen Jim Hawkins' page before. So, the big guys were actually using an EMT plate. Back then your choices were a plate or a reverb chamber if you had money, or a spring if you didn't. Many classic recording studios were known for their reverb chambers. Not much plate or chamber was used in the American broadcast world just because they were so expensive and reverb wasn't that heavily used. But the classic Radio Moscow sound seemed to come mostly from a peculiarly configured reverb chamber. --scott We started with a Fisher and moved up to an Orban 111B. For what it was, the Orban was pretty amazing. I still have it. |
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On 6/14/2016 5:23 PM, JackA wrote:
"... it gave them something they wanted to hear". What is this "something" then? You'll know it when you hear it. And if you never hear it, that's OK, too. You'll just be ordinary instead of a kooky, kinky recording engineer who makes a lot of money being quirky. For example, on a recording session with the Seattle band Thunderpussy, producer/engineer Sylvia Massy stuck an SM57 into one end of a garden hose, draped the hose on the floor around the drum kit, and mixed the sound from the mic in with the other more conventionally placed mics. Another thing she did on that session was to connect the power cord of a saber saw up to the speaker output of a guitar amplifier, had the guitarist play a rhythm part in to the amplifier, recorded the sound of the saw's motor as it pulsed rhythmically along with the guitar, and added it to the mix in places where she found it to be effective. And sometimes she just records and mixes things organically, like I do. You should read her book "Recording Unhinged." You'd learn what else people do when making records beyond EQ, compression, and reverb. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 15/06/2016 10:26 a.m., Frank Stearns wrote:
To my ear, all spring reverbs sound terrible (including the one pictured, as per the reverb quality demo'd in the Utoob vid). Naaa. Thery sound great (grate ?). Add heaps of 3K zing. geoff |
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On 15/06/2016 10:21 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 5:23 PM, JackA wrote: "... it gave them something they wanted to hear". What is this "something" then? You'll know it when you hear it. And if you never hear it, that's OK, too. You'll just be ordinary instead of a kooky, kinky recording engineer who makes a lot of money being quirky. For example, on a recording session with the Seattle band Thunderpussy, producer/engineer Sylvia Massy stuck an SM57 into one end of a garden hose, draped the hose on the floor around the drum kit, and mixed the sound from the mic in with the other more conventionally placed mics. Another thing she did on that session was to connect the power cord of a saber saw up to the speaker output of a guitar amplifier, had the guitarist play a rhythm part in to the amplifier, recorded the sound of the saw's motor as it pulsed rhythmically along with the guitar, and added it to the mix in places where she found it to be effective. And sometimes she just records and mixes things organically, like I do. You should read her book "Recording Unhinged." You'd learn what else people do when making records beyond EQ, compression, and reverb. Or more conventionally, the voice-box on guitar, as used by Jeff Beck, Peter Frampton to excellent artistic effect, and others. I guess you could use that on drums too ! I made one with the driver section from a Toa horn speaker which fitted perfectly onto a length of neoprene tubing. The ultimate wah-wah, except it makes your fillings fall out, so they say. geoff |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:21:36 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 5:23 PM, JackA wrote: "... it gave them something they wanted to hear". What is this "something" then? You'll know it when you hear it. And if you never hear it, that's OK, too. You'll just be ordinary instead of a kooky, kinky recording engineer who makes a lot of money being quirky. For example, on a recording session with the Seattle band Thunderpussy, producer/engineer Sylvia Massy stuck an SM57 into one end of a garden hose, draped the hose on the floor around the drum kit, and mixed the sound from the mic in with the other more conventionally placed mics. Another thing she did on that session was to connect the power cord of a saber saw up to the speaker output of a guitar amplifier, had the guitarist play a rhythm part in to the amplifier, recorded the sound of the saw's motor as it pulsed rhythmically along with the guitar, and added it to the mix in places where she found it to be effective. And sometimes she just records and mixes things organically, like I do. You should read her book "Recording Unhinged." You'd learn what else people do when making records beyond EQ, compression, and reverb. Dear Lord, didn't mean to bring blond bimbo into the discussion! Sorry. Thanks for the example. Would you say, reverb is to lengthen sound, while echo is used to reinforce sound? Now, that brings up an interesting question, maybe deserves a thread of its own.... Like Capitol Records, or whoever, say, Brubeck's, Take Five. Believe reading Capitol had a three sided room, no parallel walls, so sound bounced everywhere. Assume some sound was delayed and that sound was pumped back into the room via speakers to create an echo, large hall sound. Sound correct? Jack -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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geoff wrote: "Naa. Thery sound great (grate ?). Add heaps of 3K zing.
geoff " Just for kicks - and not as part of a project - I ran some music through a smiley EQ curve I created centered on 3kHz instead of the traditional 1kHz center. The curve was below 0dB between 2-5kHz, and rose to 6dB at 50 Hz and 4dB at 15kHz. It's a generalization curve, but anything I played through it sounded damn good! It was also tempting to crank it, but its greatest benefit was when listening at low volume. |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:19:34 PM UTC-4, wrote:
geoff wrote: "Naa. Thery sound great (grate ?). Add heaps of 3K zing. geoff " Just for kicks - and not as part of a project - I ran some music through a smiley EQ curve I created centered on 3kHz instead of the traditional 1kHz center. The curve was below 0dB between 2-5kHz, and rose to 6dB at 50 Hz and 4dB at 15kHz. It's a generalization curve, but anything I played through it sounded damn good! It was also tempting to crank it, but its greatest benefit was when listening at low volume. Great drummers, like Buddy Rich, didn't need fake sound, but it seems electric guitar fans need it.... http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/res...JPG?1402522043 Electric Guitar cost $75.00 Pedal board cost $3,000 Jack |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:24:45 PM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 6:57 PM, JackA wrote: Would you say, reverb is to lengthen sound, while echo is used to reinforce sound? You could say that if you wanted to. It could apply sometimes, and not other times. And sometimes, just the opposite. Often echo is used to reinforce singing. I think on out-take of Elvis', "Can't Help Falling In Love", you can hear it in action when he speaks. Like Capitol Records, or whoever, say, Brubeck's, Take Five. Believe reading Capitol had a three sided room, no parallel walls, so sound bounced everywhere. Assume some sound was delayed and that sound was pumped back into the room via speakers to create an echo, large hall sound. I'm sure Capitol's famous echo chambers are well documented somewhere. But, yeah, before we had springs and plates and computers, you'd put a speaker in a live room, feed it some sound, pick up the reverberated sound with a microphone in the room, and add it back into the recording, usually delayed a bit to allow a bit of direct sound (simulating near field sound) to come through before you heard the sound in the environment of the room. Just like in real life, sort of. Okay, thanks!! Jack -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:04:56 PM UTC-4, Nil wrote:
On 14 Jun 2016, JackA wrote in rec.audio.pro: Confused. Every single post you make here is based on profound confusion. You invent false "facts" to support your lies. You understand nothing. To try to un-confuse you would be a full-time job. Have you found a tape recorder for your tape? I know that is like rocket science for you!! :-) Be nice Nil! Jack |
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On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:55:42 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 15/06/2016 10:21 a.m., Mike Rivers wrote: On 6/14/2016 5:23 PM, JackA wrote: "... it gave them something they wanted to hear". What is this "something" then? You'll know it when you hear it. And if you never hear it, that's OK, too. You'll just be ordinary instead of a kooky, kinky recording engineer who makes a lot of money being quirky. For example, on a recording session with the Seattle band Thunderpussy, producer/engineer Sylvia Massy stuck an SM57 into one end of a garden hose, draped the hose on the floor around the drum kit, and mixed the sound from the mic in with the other more conventionally placed mics. Another thing she did on that session was to connect the power cord of a saber saw up to the speaker output of a guitar amplifier, had the guitarist play a rhythm part in to the amplifier, recorded the sound of the saw's motor as it pulsed rhythmically along with the guitar, and added it to the mix in places where she found it to be effective. And sometimes she just records and mixes things organically, like I do. You should read her book "Recording Unhinged." You'd learn what else people do when making records beyond EQ, compression, and reverb. Or more conventionally, the voice-box on guitar, as used by Jeff Beck, Peter Frampton to excellent artistic effect, and others. I guess you could use that on drums too ! Before the kiddies became interested in Frampton, FM Radio played... http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps...mwtheway-s.mp3 The kiddies hung out on AM Radio. Jack I made one with the driver section from a Toa horn speaker which fitted perfectly onto a length of neoprene tubing. The ultimate wah-wah, except it makes your fillings fall out, so they say. geoff |
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geoff wrote:
On 15/06/2016 10:26 a.m., Frank Stearns wrote: To my ear, all spring reverbs sound terrible (including the one pictured, as per the reverb quality demo'd in the Utoob vid). Naaa. Thery sound great (grate ?). Add heaps of 3K zing. geoff That's why they're on Fender guitar amps. I like it, so far as it goes. I can't imagine running snare thru it though. -- Les Cargill |
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On 6/14/2016 8:48 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
That's why they're [spring reverb] on Fender guitar amps. I like it, so far as it goes. I can't imagine running snare thru it though. Well, you're just missing out on an opportunity. You've be surprised at how much stuff that sounds awful on its own makes a little change in a recording that makes you perk up your ears. You don't want to be the guy who always uses a spring reverb on a snare, but some time you might run into a project that you think just needs a little something else, and a little spring reverb on a snare might be it - sometimes. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 8:48 PM, Les Cargill wrote: That's why they're [spring reverb] on Fender guitar amps. I like it, so far as it goes. I can't imagine running snare thru it though. Well, you're just missing out on an opportunity. You've be surprised at how much stuff that sounds awful on its own makes a little change in a recording that makes you perk up your ears. No, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I just have a certain narrow conception of how a snare works, and that ain't it. The snare drum is the Central Artifact of rock recording. Snare sets the level (snare + 6dB = vocal level;Gtr sub mix = snare - 3dB ) ; snare sets 2 & 4. You don't want to be the guy who always uses a spring reverb on a snare, s/always/ever/ but some time you might run into a project that you think just needs a little something else, and a little spring reverb on a snare might be it - sometimes. .... Well, maybe. But I very seriously doubt it. I want you to hear the tendons on the arm that hits the snare. I want that snare to tell you how the drummer's great-grandparents came from the Old Country, how his grandparents built a great empire, how his father squandered it and this is all (s)he has now. -- Les Cargill |
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On 15/06/2016 00:56, JackA wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:19:34 PM UTC-4, wrote: geoff wrote: "Naa. Thery sound great (grate ?). Add heaps of 3K zing. geoff " Just for kicks - and not as part of a project - I ran some music through a smiley EQ curve I created centered on 3kHz instead of the traditional 1kHz center. The curve was below 0dB between 2-5kHz, and rose to 6dB at 50 Hz and 4dB at 15kHz. It's a generalization curve, but anything I played through it sounded damn good! It was also tempting to crank it, but its greatest benefit was when listening at low volume. Great drummers, like Buddy Rich, didn't need fake sound, but it seems electric guitar fans need it.... http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/res...JPG?1402522043 Electric Guitar cost $75.00 Pedal board cost $3,000 Jack A decent electric guitar can cost $3,000 or more. And I'll bet the guitarist uses every single one of those effects units in a gig. It's not fake sound, though, it's part of the creative process that guitarists use. Have you ever heard an electric guitar without it going through an amplifier and speaker? It's the non-linear stuff that brings out the beauty in the sound. A well played electric guitar is one of the most expressive instruments there is. It's up there with a well played acoustic guitar. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 4:13:56 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
On 15/06/2016 00:56, JackA wrote: On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:19:34 PM UTC-4, wrote: geoff wrote: "Naa. Thery sound great (grate ?). Add heaps of 3K zing. geoff " Just for kicks - and not as part of a project - I ran some music through a smiley EQ curve I created centered on 3kHz instead of the traditional 1kHz center. The curve was below 0dB between 2-5kHz, and rose to 6dB at 50 Hz and 4dB at 15kHz. It's a generalization curve, but anything I played through it sounded damn good! It was also tempting to crank it, but its greatest benefit was when listening at low volume. Great drummers, like Buddy Rich, didn't need fake sound, but it seems electric guitar fans need it.... http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/res...JPG?1402522043 Electric Guitar cost $75.00 Pedal board cost $3,000 Jack A decent electric guitar can cost $3,000 or more. How, may I ask, call you tell a difference between a decent electric guitar and a bad one? Need amplifier? And I'll bet the guitarist uses every single one of those effects units in a gig. It's not fake sound, though, it's part of the creative process that guitarists use. Have you ever heard an electric guitar without it going through an amplifier and speaker? It's the non-linear stuff that brings out the beauty in the sound. A well played electric guitar is one of the most expressive instruments there is. It's up there with a well played acoustic guitar. Come on, it is fake sound. So fake, I hear electric guitars fading from Pop music. But, you know the old story, since people don't actually listen to music, they don't know what is becoming obsolete. Like Big Bands, electric guitars have seen their better days. Just my own personal observation. Jack Jack -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
To my ear, all spring reverbs sound terrible (including the one pictured, as per the reverb quality demo'd in the Utoob vid). They aren't natural, but a lot of people like them today specifically because they aren't natural. They are a classic, rather cheesy kind of sound. But they are a fundamental part of dub reggae and some dub artists will even play the reverb unit as a percussion instrument. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8iG0gTS4gk But there is one exception: the Quad-Eight RV-10. If you set them up right and were careful how they were driven (I typically put a limiter on the send), they sounded nearly as good as the EMT plate reverbs. A lot of people in the seventies tried to do this sort of thing because spring mechanisms were so cheap and plates were so expensive. I was an intern for LT Electronics which made a "Microplate Reverb" that was actually two spring tanks wired out of phase to cancel distortion products. The AKG springs were also an attempt to sound as clean as possible, but they were mechanically very different than the Quad-Eight, Orban, etc. units which used the Accutronics tank design. Maybe one day the modelling folks will get around to this unit. It's a thing that's supposed to sound like a plate... so why not just model the plate and cut out the middleman? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Frank Stearns wrote: To my ear, all spring reverbs sound terrible (including the one pictured, as per the reverb quality demo'd in the Utoob vid). They aren't natural, but a lot of people like them today specifically because they aren't natural. They are a classic, rather cheesy kind of sound. But they are a fundamental part of dub reggae and some dub artists will even play the reverb unit as a percussion instrument. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8iG0gTS4gk But there is one exception: the Quad-Eight RV-10. If you set them up right and were careful how they were driven (I typically put a limiter on the send), they sounded nearly as good as the EMT plate reverbs. A lot of people in the seventies tried to do this sort of thing because spring mechanisms were so cheap and plates were so expensive. I was an intern for LT Electronics which made a "Microplate Reverb" that was actually two spring tanks wired out of phase to cancel distortion products. The AKG springs were also an attempt to sound as clean as possible, but they were mechanically very different than the Quad-Eight, Orban, etc. units which used the Accutronics tank design. Maybe one day the modelling folks will get around to this unit. It's a thing that's supposed to sound like a plate... so why not just model the plate and cut out the middleman? --scott Why model it when you can get impulses from real EMTs and the like? -- Les Cargill |
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Les Cargill wrote:
Why model it when you can get impulses from real EMTs and the like? Because you can't bang on the side of it as a percussion instrument! --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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