[geoff]

On 11/06/2016 2:47 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/10/2016 9:09 PM, geoff wrote:
I think artist and bands find it much more satisfying to actually sell a
CD at a gig than hand out a piece of paer with a note of how/where for
people to (hopefully) to download it from.

Of course they do. They can make more money from a CD than from a
download, and they know that the customer has something that they're
taking home as a souvenir from the show as well as music they can listen
to any time.



And how many times do you go away thinking "I must get around to
checking that out on the net", then never quite do ...

geoff

[Gareth Magennis[_3_]]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

In article , Trevor wrote:
On 10/06/2016 9:39 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
I've had people come up to me at a festival with a USB thumb drive and
ask if I can play it. I say to them: "Sure. You can set up your computer
right here." Then they get a CD out of a purse or guitar case and I put
it in the player that's installed in the rack and wired to a couple of
channels on the console.

At least I'd be able to plug their USB stick OR CD in straight away. But
you probably still have a cassette deck as well. I don't.

2012 was the last year anyone has ever brought me a cassette at a festival.
I don't expect to see them any more, but I'm not saying it won't happen.

National Events is still shipping out their PA racks with cassette decks.
No USB recorder/players yet. And sadly, most of the time we get what the
rental company provides.
--scott
--





Most decent CDJ's will play both CD's and USB sticks etc. There's probably
one or two at most live events.



Gareth.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/11/2016 8:14 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Most decent CDJ's will play both CD's and USB sticks etc. There's
probably one or two at most live events.

What's a CDJ? And what kind of live events are you talking about?

--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[John Williamson]

On 11/06/2016 14:01, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/11/2016 8:14 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Most decent CDJ's will play both CD's and USB sticks etc. There's
probably one or two at most live events.

What's a CDJ? And what kind of live events are you talking about?

I think he means the fashionable devices that let you play CD's, while
doing nasty things to the sound like "scratching" and "looping", and I
doubt very much either of us would willingly attend the sort of live
event he's talking about, with a number of halls, with many "DJ's" and
"MC's" playing Drum 'n' Bass or similar imitations of music at volumes
high enough to burst your eardrums.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[[email protected]]

The BEST contribution so far to this conversation:

"What a dumb **** thing to say. You need to adjust your foil fedora, ..."

[Gareth Magennis[_3_]]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ...

On 6/11/2016 8:14 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Most decent CDJ's will play both CD's and USB sticks etc. There's
probably one or two at most live events.

What's a CDJ? And what kind of live events are you talking about?

--






A CDJ is a multimedia player commonly used in the 21st century to playback
pre-recorded music at live events, in between bands perhaps, and often by a
DJ rather than the FOH engineer.
They supersede the "CD player", commonly used for a similar purpose in the
20th century.



Gareth.

[Scott Dorsey]

John Williamson wrote:
On 11/06/2016 14:01, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/11/2016 8:14 AM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Most decent CDJ's will play both CD's and USB sticks etc. There's
probably one or two at most live events.

What's a CDJ? And what kind of live events are you talking about?

I think he means the fashionable devices that let you play CD's, while
doing nasty things to the sound like "scratching" and "looping", and I
doubt very much either of us would willingly attend the sort of live
event he's talking about, with a number of halls, with many "DJ's" and
"MC's" playing Drum 'n' Bass or similar imitations of music at volumes
high enough to burst your eardrums.

Those things are actually useful for a lot of other jobs, like playing
cues for theatrical work. But because of the UI required, the ones I
have seen have not been rackmountable.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[None]

thekma @gmail.com wrote in message
...
The BEST contribution so far to this conversation:

"What a dumb **** thing to say. You need to adjust your foil fedora,
..."

Why, thank you. But you were the inspiration, with your cretinous
conspiracy theory, once again trying to heap blame and shame on people
who are smarter than you (that's everyone, of course). But since your
"theory" is utter bull****, the only blame and shame falls on you, for
being such an idiot. And for constantly being willing, even eager, to
make a huge public display of what an idiot you are.

[[email protected]]

.... wrote: "
Why, thank you. But you were the inspiration, with your cretinous
conspiracy theory, once again trying to heap blame and shame on people
who are smarter than you (that's ev"


Thanks for killing another perfectly good
thread, IDIOT!

[None]

thekma @ tinfoil . hockelmet . com wrote in message
...
... wrote: "
Why, thank you. But you were the inspiration, with your cretinous
conspiracy theory, once again trying to heap blame and shame on
people
who are smarter than you (that's ev"


Thanks for killing another perfectly good
thread, IDIOT!

Why, you're welcome, idiot (the caps-lock is very shortbus, innit?)!

I didn't killfile the thread. And neither did you, of course, You
wouldn't even know how. You probably don't even know what it means.
Maybe all the eeeevul record producers knew thirty years ago that they
would killfile the thread, so they compressed your music files while
you weren't paying attention (which is 24/7).

HTHF. FKHJA. SKHF WAGFA.

[[email protected]]

I didn't say 'killfile' - I said you KILLED it! As
in, permanently erased any chance of the
continuance of adult conversation between
myself and the other participants here.

NOW who has reading challenges??

[None]

wrote in message
...
I didn't say 'killfile' - I said you KILLED it! As
in, permanently erased any chance of the
continuance of adult conversation between
myself and the other participants here.

What a load of crap. I permanently erased nothing, li'l guy. You
obviously aren't part of the adult conversation; you go on with your
cornspeeeerasee bull****, about how the music industry is conspiring
to make you look like a retarded dumb **** with a small stable of
hobbyhorses.

NOW who has reading challenges??

You do, li'l buddy. Seven years in a two-year college is the evidence.

[Trevor]

On 11/06/2016 12:00 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 10/06/2016 9:39 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
I've had people come up to me at a festival with a USB thumb drive and
ask if I can play it. I say to them: "Sure. You can set up your computer
right here." Then they get a CD out of a purse or guitar case and I put
it in the player that's installed in the rack and wired to a couple of
channels on the console.

At least I'd be able to plug their USB stick OR CD in straight away. But
you probably still have a cassette deck as well. I don't.

2012 was the last year anyone has ever brought me a cassette at a festival.
I don't expect to see them any more, but I'm not saying it won't happen.

National Events is still shipping out their PA racks with cassette decks.
No USB recorder/players yet. And sadly, most of the time we get what the
rental company provides.

While I often have to use whatever is provided for sound too, I *always*
have my own gear as well, which of course includes my laptop which has a
CD/DVD drive, USB ports, memory card reader etc. and multi-channel
recording interface plus software including RTA.
Plus a boot full of leads, mics, DI's, stands etc, and any other spares
I think I might need. Would never want to rely solely on what someone
else provides myself.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 11/06/2016 1:16 AM, John Williamson wrote:
On 10/06/2016 12:38, Trevor wrote:
IF your computer ever takes 10 minutes to rip a 2 minute track, I can
only imagine what skipping, muting, distortion etc. you'd get trying to
play it real time!
Tell the artist to bring a proper disk next time.

At a guess, you don't do live sound, do you?

Your sad guess couldn't be more wrong, I have done many many hundreds,
probably thousands over the years.


A good standalone CD player can track a worse CD than most computer
drives, in my experience.

Then you have never used proper hardware or software. Being able to
continually re-read a track gives you a FAR better chance than ANY real
time player can ever manage. And software can often fix a glitch even
when nothing can read a track without error. I have seen people who use
one cheap computer drive which fails to read properly, compare it to a
stand alone player costing ten or 20 times as much, and make stupid
statements like the above however.

That said, I don't usually work with artists who require recorded
"backing tracks, "karaoke", "guide tracks" or any such thing. I have
however done interviews etc, that require music snippets, plays that
require music backing, sound effects etc. I always find it far easier to
have it in software with cue points already inserted. Bet you won't find
many stage productions these days still relying on CD's, not too many
professional ones anyway.
And all my background music has come from the computer for at least a
decade now. Most of the venues I regularly work still have CD players
however, I just can't remember the last time I used one. Once in the
last 2 or 3 years I think.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 11/06/2016 4:00 AM, Richard Kuschel wrote:
Further, I have a customer who brings me some of the most scratched
up messes of CD's. When those are ripped, I often get huge glitches
on the rip.

I suggest you don't try to compare a single $20 computer drive to an
expensive audio drive then. There is *absolutely* no reason why a good
computer drive given the chance to re-read tracks as necessary,
(something the audio drive cannot do real time) should not give a FAR
better chance of an unglitched result.



I can play those same CD's from my player without audio
problems, make the transfer digitally in real time and not have
surprises later on in production.

What surprises? Not only can you read a track far faster than real time,
the software can tell you when there are ANY problems. Something YOU may
not hear when your audio player is interpolating errors instead.
But hey, if YOU are happy not knowing, I sure don't care!

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 11/06/2016 6:24 AM, wrote:
(or you can use a PC based oscope....... oh no, here we go) :-)

Actually any decent audio interface at 24/192 makes a pretty reasonable
audio oscilloscope for a lot of tests. And a nice big display, unlimited
storage, and a huge range of other functions like THD, IM, SNR etc. that
don't come with most stand alone digital oscilloscopes.
Then there are times you do need a higher sample rate of course.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 11/06/2016 10:53 AM, geoff wrote:
On 11/06/2016 1:26 AM, Trevor wrote:
On 10/06/2016 9:30 PM, geoff wrote:
On 10/06/2016 7:44 PM, Trevor wrote:
Listening to CDs, like LPs, does wonders for one's attention-span and
deeper music appreciation.

But that's just me....


Not just you, lots of people more into the process than the music it
seems.


Not the technical process at all - the sitting down without distractions
and listening to a piece of music (say, an 'album') as a whole, rather
than distractions such as keyboards, screens, tablet controllers, etc.

lining up any amount of music takes a few seconds, hardly a distraction
compared to swapping album sides every 15-20 minutes, or CD's every
30-80 minutes. And that's not counting the time taken to find, take out
of cover, clean, cue up, play, put away again etc. etc. when playing
vinyl or CD.


Not to say I exclusively listen to whole albums, but I find CDs the most
convenient and satisfying way of doing it in a domestic setting.

So how exactly is finding, cleaning, putting into player and playing a
whole CD more "convenient and satisfying" than playing the exact same
songs ripped from a CD onto a computer? YOU are welcome to your foibles
of course, but you'll need to do more to explain how it can possibly be
more satisfying, let alone *convenient* to any normal person.
I think NOT!

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 11/06/2016 11:09 AM, geoff wrote:
On 11/06/2016 12:57 AM, Frank Stearns wrote:

Also, even like LPs, there's something to be said for tangible media,
something you
can hold in your hands, with liner notes (feeble as they might be on a
lot of CDs).
It's better in the classical world, though; often real booklets are
provided with
CDs.


I'm a bit of a boring old stick-in-the-mud too, wrt tangible media.

From what I observe of current trends is that many consumers don't
expect to pay for media (music, video, whatever), or do pay but in bulk
bundled with some other (ie phone) service/item, are content to listen
to aurally compromised material, and attribute little lasting value to
it not only in the (non)physical sense, but artistically as well.

I've ripped much of my CD collection to ALAC (and converted also to
FLAC) primarily for mobile purposes, and could set things up to play it
that way at home, but I prefer to simply grab a CD/DVD/BluRay, stick it
in the player, and maybe briefly peruse the liner notes while
listening/watching.

My clients mostly require CDs as the primary delivery product, many
converting those to downloadable media, and some even request higher
definition versions (rarely). I think artist and bands find it much more
satisfying to actually sell a CD at a gig than hand out a piece of paer
with a note of how/where for people to (hopefully) to download it from.

What on earth has that got to do with how those purchasers chose to
listen to the disk once they have bought it. I *always* buy a CD in
preference to a digital copy, but that's NOT how I listen to it any
more. Most of my friends are the same now.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

On 11/06/2016 12:47 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/10/2016 9:09 PM, geoff wrote:
I think artist and bands find it much more satisfying to actually sell a
CD at a gig than hand out a piece of paer with a note of how/where for
people to (hopefully) to download it from.

Of course they do. They can make more money from a CD than from a
download, and they know that the customer has something that they're
taking home as a souvenir from the show as well as music they can listen
to any time.

Maybe, but this has any bearing on what the purchaser does with it when
they get home, how exactly?
And IME more and more artists have the option of a CD or download card
at their gigs now. Most touring artists prefer not to have to carry so
many CD's with them now in fact.
Never bought a download card in my life personally however.

Trevor.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Trevor wrote:
On 11/06/2016 4:00 AM, Richard Kuschel wrote:
Further, I have a customer who brings me some of the most scratched
up messes of CD's. When those are ripped, I often get huge glitches
on the rip.

I suggest you don't try to compare a single $20 computer drive to an
expensive audio drive then. There is *absolutely* no reason why a good
computer drive given the chance to re-read tracks as necessary,
(something the audio drive cannot do real time) should not give a FAR
better chance of an unglitched result.

This is true. Unfortunately, finding good computer drives has become even
more difficult than finding good audio drives. The more recent Plextor
drives are just junk.

So a lot of people wind up hoarding older Plextor and Kodak drives...
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Nil wrote:
On 10 Jun 2016, (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

So how far out of calibration is it? Go through the lube and cal
procedure in the manual which if it's a Denon will include
greasing the sled rails, putting a drop of watch oil on the
focussing motor and a drop of slightly heavier oil on the top and
bottom bearings of the turntable motor, cleaning the lens, and
checking the belt on the tray motor.

I cleaned the lens, and it didn't help much. I don't have a manual or a
scope or a test disk.

You can still do the lubrication. Get the manual from the manufacturer.

You really need a scope, though, just so you can tell how well the drive
is functioning. Since the data rate is around 1MHz, an older analogue
10 Mhz scope or a digital 50 MHz scope will be enough to see reasonable
detail in the eye pattern.

I do plan to spend a little more time inspecting, cleaning, and
lubricating it, but I don't have the skill or tools to do a real
calibration.

You need a scope on the bench! It's what cavemen used to debug fire!
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Trevor]

On 12/06/2016 9:52 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 11/06/2016 4:00 AM, Richard Kuschel wrote:
Further, I have a customer who brings me some of the most scratched
up messes of CD's. When those are ripped, I often get huge glitches
on the rip.

I suggest you don't try to compare a single $20 computer drive to an
expensive audio drive then. There is *absolutely* no reason why a good
computer drive given the chance to re-read tracks as necessary,
(something the audio drive cannot do real time) should not give a FAR
better chance of an unglitched result.

This is true. Unfortunately, finding good computer drives has become even
more difficult than finding good audio drives. The more recent Plextor
drives are just junk.

So a lot of people wind up hoarding older Plextor and Kodak drives...


Yep still have a Plextor, but don't have trouble reading with any of the
cheap Pioneers I have either. And what hasn't been said of course is
that a computer drive has a better chance of reading CDR and CDRW disks
than many stand alone audio players, especially older ones.

Trevor.

[[email protected]]

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 12:44:23 AM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
On 10/06/2016 3:29 AM, Frank Stearns wrote:
My 12 year-old machine is finally in on its last legs. Maybe it's because the format
is slowly dying, but choices for a replacement commercial-grade player seem to have
diminished.

My needs are simple:

1. stable, lower-error transport that can read a varying level of disk quality. I'm
leery of the $9 commodity transports used in many players, even supposedly
higher-end players. These cheapie transports seem prone to not reading disks unless
they're perfect, jumping into EDC too soon, or just have a high error rate
(perhaps because a single laser is tasked for both CD and DVD track widths).

2. AES-EBU or SPDIF output. (Don't care about analog outs and internal DAC quality;
won't be used.)

3. Quiet transport and no fan -- it's in the control room

4. 1U size and a slot for USB sticks would be nice but not necessary.

Any experience with some of the current generation of machines? (The Tascam 200 or
500 look like they might work; anyone own or use one?)

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


I don't know why on earth *anyone* would want a CD player these days, I
haven't used one for a decade or more. (no idea if mine still works even
though I haven't thrown it out) FAR better to rip all your CD's to a
hard drive using EAC so you know there are no errors. Then you can
create a searchable database and play anything instantly without
searching for a disk, easily create custom playlists, or play
uninterrupted for days or perhaps years! :-)



PS: I don't use the drive in the workstation because the audio has to go through the
windows audio subsystem, which just plains screws up sonics, even if it's a purely
digital source.

Then the first thing you need to do is sort out the drivers for your
sound interface, or get a new one.

Trevor.

[[email protected]]

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 12:44:23 AM UTC-7, Trevor wrote:
On 10/06/2016 3:29 AM, Frank Stearns wrote:
My 12 year-old machine is finally in on its last legs. Maybe it's because the format
is slowly dying, but choices for a replacement commercial-grade player seem to have
diminished.

My needs are simple:

1. stable, lower-error transport that can read a varying level of disk quality. I'm
leery of the $9 commodity transports used in many players, even supposedly
higher-end players. These cheapie transports seem prone to not reading disks unless
they're perfect, jumping into EDC too soon, or just have a high error rate
(perhaps because a single laser is tasked for both CD and DVD track widths).

2. AES-EBU or SPDIF output. (Don't care about analog outs and internal DAC quality;
won't be used.)

3. Quiet transport and no fan -- it's in the control room

4. 1U size and a slot for USB sticks would be nice but not necessary.

Any experience with some of the current generation of machines? (The Tascam 200 or
500 look like they might work; anyone own or use one?)

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.


I don't know why on earth *anyone* would want a CD player these days, I
haven't used one for a decade or more. (no idea if mine still works even
though I haven't thrown it out) FAR better to rip all your CD's to a
hard drive using EAC so you know there are no errors. Then you can
create a searchable database and play anything instantly without
searching for a disk, easily create custom playlists, or play
uninterrupted for days or perhaps years! :-)



PS: I don't use the drive in the workstation because the audio has to go through the
windows audio subsystem, which just plains screws up sonics, even if it's a purely
digital source.

Then the first thing you need to do is sort out the drivers for your
sound interface, or get a new one.

Trevor.

Then one day your hard drive takes a dump. Where are all those CDs you've archived? Nothing like a good CD player on hand.., I have several. These days DVD and Blue Ray players will also play CDs. I use my HHB CD recorders as players and they do come in handy often.

[Trevor]

On 21/06/2016 7:16 PM, wrote:
Then one day your hard drive takes a dump. Where are all those CDs
you've archived?

So nobody has told you that's what back-ups are for?
Now you have been told there is no excuse.


Nothing like a good CD player on hand.., I have
several. These days DVD and Blue Ray players will also play CDs.

Exactly, and computer CD/DVD drives. There's always something handy.

Trevor.

[John Williamson]

On 21/06/2016 10:16, wrote:
Then one day your hard drive takes a dump. Where are all those CDs you've archived? Nothing like a good CD player on hand.., I have several. These days DVD and Blue Ray players will also play CDs. I use my HHB CD recorders as players and they do come in handy often.

I've had several hard drives take a dump, and one even went missing,
along with the laptop it was in, and apart from that day's e-mails on
the stolen, password protected, laptop, I've yet to lose a byte of data
in 30 years other than it being due to finger trouble. Backups are
important, and all my data is backed up in at least 3 places, one of
which is usually not at the same location as the rest. It takes a few
minutes per day for the computer to back up while I get ready to go to
bed/ home depending on whether I'm at work or not when I do it. The
backups get regularly checked for sanity, too.

I do have access to all the DVDs and CDs that I've archived, but they
are all in allegedly safe storage a few hundred miles away.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Trevor]

On 21/06/2016 7:24 PM, John Williamson wrote:
On 21/06/2016 10:16, wrote:
Then one day your hard drive takes a dump. Where are all those CDs
you've archived? Nothing like a good CD player on hand.., I have
several. These days DVD and Blue Ray players will also play CDs. I use
my HHB CD recorders as players and they do come in handy often.

I've had several hard drives take a dump, and one even went missing,
along with the laptop it was in, and apart from that day's e-mails on
the stolen, password protected, laptop, I've yet to lose a byte of data
in 30 years other than it being due to finger trouble. Backups are
important, and all my data is backed up in at least 3 places, one of
which is usually not at the same location as the rest. It takes a few
minutes per day for the computer to back up while I get ready to go to
bed/ home depending on whether I'm at work or not when I do it. The
backups get regularly checked for sanity, too.

I do have access to all the DVDs and CDs that I've archived, but they
are all in allegedly safe storage a few hundred miles away.

Yep, and isn't it nice having access to thousands of CD's on a small
hard drive you can take anywhere, Vs a room or two full of disks!

Trevor.

[John Williamson]

On 21/06/2016 10:37, Trevor wrote:
On 21/06/2016 7:24 PM, John Williamson wrote:
I do have access to all the DVDs and CDs that I've archived, but they
are all in allegedly safe storage a few hundred miles away.

Yep, and isn't it nice having access to thousands of CD's on a small
hard drive you can take anywhere, Vs a room or two full of disks!

Yup. :-)

I also have all my music and other sound files backed up on a tablet
with a 128 gigabyte memory card in it. As it runs both Winamp and Adobe
Audition, it's handy for that quick rough jingle edit or programme
playback that's needed to entertain the clients on occasion.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[[email protected]]

Trevor wrote: "So nobody has told you that's what back-ups are for?
Now you have been told there is no excuse. "


The CDs ARE the best backup! WAV or FLAC
them to a hard-drive, but eventually even the
hard disk goes one way to the Cadillac Ranch.

Just don't keep the CDs like most folks do - on
the dashboards of cars, in direct sunlight, lying
out where kitty or puppy can turn them into toys.

[[email protected]]

Trevor wrote:

- show quoted text -
"Yep, and isn't it nice having access to thousands of CD's on a small
hard drive you can take anywhere, Vs a room or two full of disks!

Trevor. "

Trevor: Nobody is advocating against storing the
data on hard drives or in the cloud or wherever.

All I'm saying is **keep the discs**! On the other
hand, if you're really looking to unload, I'd love to
see what you're thinking of getting rid of.

[John Williamson]

On 21/06/2016 11:46, wrote:
Trevor wrote: "So nobody has told you that's what back-ups are for?
Now you have been told there is no excuse. "


The CDs ARE the best backup! WAV or FLAC
them to a hard-drive, but eventually even the
hard disk goes one way to the Cadillac Ranch.

Just don't keep the CDs like most folks do - on
the dashboards of cars, in direct sunlight, lying
out where kitty or puppy can turn them into toys.

Every backup strategy should be layered. First layer could be to another
hard drive in the same building, whether in another computer or a
network or USB attached storage device, or to a flash memory such as a
USB stick, then the second layer needs to be to at least one hard drive
in another location, preferably a different continent, which in turn is
best backed up by a tape drive, keeping a version history all the way
through, which have been shown by experience to have the best archive
life of any rewritable medium.

It's not hard to set such a system up, and it can be invoked by a
shutdown script so that a backup is automatically done every time you
shut the system down at the end of a session. All you do on any system
with a GUI is click on the "Shut down and backup" icon you have placed
on the desktop. It's a little harder on a portable recording system, but
it's still easy to stuff a USB stick into a port and run a backup while
you pack up the rest of the rig.

Where appropriate, manufactured CDs and DVDs can serve as a reasonably
assured third layer, though some early ones had problems with long term
stability after a few years, but no optically writeable drive can *ever*
be considered a stable backup container.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Trevor]

On 21/06/2016 11:46, wrote:
Trevor wrote: "So nobody has told you that's what back-ups are for?
Now you have been told there is no excuse. "


The CDs ARE the best backup!

They are the final resort, but wouldn't want to re-rip 1000+ CD's in a
hurry!

Trevor.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 6/21/2016 6:46 AM, wrote:

The CDs ARE the best backup!

Pressed CDs seem to last pretty long, but CDRs aren't worth a hoot as
long term storage. Most people have found at least a few that won't play
after 10 years. I have tape more than 50 years old that still plays just
fine.

And I think I still have a deck of punch cards in the attic that did
something useful at one time. Even if you don't have access to a card
reader today, you can read the data by eye and create a binary file from
it. I once figured out how many 80-column cards it would take to store a
3 minute "CD quality" song. Now you can probably Google it.

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Mike Rivers wrote: "Pressed CDs seem to last pretty long, but CDRs aren't worth a hoot as
long term storage. Most people have found at least a few that won't play
after 10 years. I have tape more than 50 years old that still plays just "

On the consumer side, I've seen it all
too many times: Dick and Jane buy
iPods/iPhones/Galaxies. Dick and
Jane rip all their CDs to mp3 on their
computers, then copy the files to
their aforementioned portables. Dick
and Jane then recycle their entire
CD collection or donate them to the
library or second hand stores, or
sell them at yard sales.

Dick and Jane's hard-drive seizes
up, or they lose their mobiles.

Dick and Jane have NO MORE
music collection. Dick and
Jane restore some of their
music by downloads from iTunes
and Amazon and such - but it's
not *quite* like the sound of
those long gone CDs...

Backup - Backup - BACKUP!
Hard drive, portable flash,
Cloud, etc.

I can't stress it enough.

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Oops: And KEEP those CDs!!

[[email protected]]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:01:09 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Oops: And KEEP those CDs!!

If you RIP the CDs and keep the copies for your own use and then sell the
original CDs, at the very least, you are violating not only the letter
but also the spirit of the copyright laws.

M

[Frank Stearns]

Mike Rivers writes:

On 6/21/2016 6:46 AM, wrote:

The CDs ARE the best backup!

Pressed CDs seem to last pretty long, but CDRs aren't worth a hoot as
long term storage. Most people have found at least a few that won't play
after 10 years. I have tape more than 50 years old that still plays just
fine.

And I think I still have a deck of punch cards in the attic that did
something useful at one time. Even if you don't have access to a card
reader today, you can read the data by eye and create a binary file from
it. I once figured out how many 80-column cards it would take to store a
3 minute "CD quality" song. Now you can probably Google it.

That's a hoot.

I have a fun client in Portland; we've done many projects together. We razz each
other and exchange bad puns all the time.

I playfully joked that I'd send over the 400 Gbytes of a live album project via
punch cards. He retorted, "fine, but you pay for shipping via the dozen river barges
required to move that many cards!"

Frank
Mobile Audio
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[JackA]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:01:09 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Oops: And KEEP those CDs!!

If you RIP the CDs and keep the copies for your own use and then sell the
original CDs, at the very least, you are violating not only the letter
but also the spirit of the copyright laws.

M

But, I observe a UK/US music reissue company(ies) taking advantage of US copyright laws expiring abroad after 50 years.

[JackA]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 9:57:47 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: "Pressed CDs seem to last pretty long, but CDRs aren't worth a hoot as
long term storage. Most people have found at least a few that won't play
after 10 years. I have tape more than 50 years old that still plays just "

On the consumer side, I've seen it all
too many times: Dick and Jane buy
iPods/iPhones/Galaxies. Dick and
Jane rip all their CDs to mp3 on their
computers, then copy the files to
their aforementioned portables. Dick
and Jane then recycle their entire
CD collection or donate them to the
library or second hand stores, or
sell them at yard sales.

Dick and Jane's hard-drive seizes
up, or they lose their mobiles.

Dick and Jane have NO MORE
music collection. Dick and
Jane restore some of their
music by downloads from iTunes
and Amazon and such - but it's
not *quite* like the sound of
those long gone CDs...


.... thank Heaven!!

Jack :-)


Backup - Backup - BACKUP!
Hard drive, portable flash,
Cloud, etc.

I can't stress it enough.

[JackA]

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 1:31:54 PM UTC-4, wrote:
JackA wrote: "... thank Heaven!!

Jack :-) "


For what?? Clueless consumers?

Face it, these remastering gurus, after they "remaster" and played the CD, they yelled, "Houston, we have sound!" and that was it. Luckily with DAW, you can AT LEAST make those tons of CDs sound as good as their vinyl counterparts.


Jack

Whose donated CDs are now in my
collection? Yeah, good point.