[Gray_Wolf]

On 6/14/2016 8:01 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 8:48 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
That's why they're [spring reverb] on Fender guitar amps. I like it, so far as
it goes.
I can't imagine running snare thru it though.

Well, you're just missing out on an opportunity. You've be surprised at how much
stuff that sounds awful on its own makes a little change in a recording that
makes you perk up your ears.

You don't want to be the guy who always uses a spring reverb on a snare, but
some time you might run into a project that you think just needs a little
something else, and a little spring reverb on a snare might be it - sometimes.


Reverb does add some spice. It was a must have in the 60 and 70s when I was
playing guitar and steel. I'm surprised how my taste has changed in my old age.
I no prefer almost/no reverb at all. It kills the definition. I like the sound
right in my ear rather that from the other end of a cathedral. In fact I wish I
could remove it from some of the stuff I have. I can't recall anything I have
that sounds better with more reverb. There are some very poor recordings that it
does seem to help sometimes. What I really like is hearing a small acoustic
group where I can hear each instrument clearly, in their own space, as opposed
to being at the bottom of a well.

[Trevor]

On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote:
Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the
monitors?

Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something
they wanted to hear.


Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.


So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Trevor.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Trevor wrote:
On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote:
Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the
monitors?

Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something
they wanted to hear.


Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.


So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Trevor.




Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working,
then put that last piece back in.

--
Les Cargill

[Trevor]

On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote:
Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the
monitors?

Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something
they wanted to hear.


Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.


So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working,
then put that last piece back in.


Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first
track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again!

Trevor.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Trevor wrote:

So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

"Music is the space between the notes."
-- Franz Liszt

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Trevor wrote:

Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first
track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again!

Sometimes that is indeed the best thing to do. The early Joan Baez recordings
were made this way. Sadly, the later ones were not.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Trevor wrote:
On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote:
Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the
monitors?

Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something
they wanted to hear.


Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.


So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working,
then put that last piece back in.


Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first
track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again!

Trevor.



Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.

--
Les Cargill

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:46:25 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote:

Trevor wrote:
On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote:
Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the
monitors?

Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something
they wanted to hear.


Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.


So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working,
then put that last piece back in.


Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first
track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again!

Trevor.



Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.

unless it is a blues band that has been together a long time. Then
those decisions are made in performance.

d

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[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:46:25 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote:

Trevor wrote:
On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote:
Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the
monitors?

Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something
they wanted to hear.


Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.


So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working,
then put that last piece back in.


Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first
track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again!

Trevor.



Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.

unless it is a blues band that has been together a long time. Then
those decisions are made in performance.

d

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Not just blues bands. And that too.

--
Les Cargill

[Trevor]

On 17/06/2016 12:46 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.


So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working,
then put that last piece back in.


Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first
track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again!


Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.


But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out?

Trevor.

[geoff]

On 17/06/2016 5:56 PM, Trevor wrote:



Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.


But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out?

The 'members' aren't necessarily taken out. Elements of the arrangement
are taken out.

..... by any of; the band-leader, the producer, the artistic director,
the majority, or the person with the best persuasion skills.

geoff

[Tom McCreadie]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

"Music is the space between the notes."
-- Franz Liszt

"Music is the greatest silent force in the world." - Lionel Richie

[Frank Stearns]

geoff writes:

On 17/06/2016 5:56 PM, Trevor wrote:



Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.


But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out?

The 'members' aren't necessarily taken out. Elements of the arrangement
are taken out.

.... by any of; the band-leader, the producer, the artistic director,
the majority, or the person with the best persuasion skills.

Or -- for better or worse -- the exec producer (or whoever has the gold and is
making the rules).

Frank
Mobile Audio
--

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Trevor wrote:
On 17/06/2016 12:46 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out.

So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps?

Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working,
then put that last piece back in.

Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first
track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again!

Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.

But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out?

Either the producer or the arranger, depending on who wins the wrestling
match.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Trevor]

On 17/06/2016 6:44 PM, geoff wrote:
On 17/06/2016 5:56 PM, Trevor wrote:
Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates
the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are
made in rehearsal.


But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out?

The 'members' aren't necessarily taken out. Elements of the arrangement
are taken out.

.... by any of; the band-leader, the producer, the artistic director,
the majority, or the person with the best persuasion skills.

Oops, forgot the sarcasm emoji.

Trevor.