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I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of recording of material for mass consumption.

Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop, classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or do you think audio recording is at its zenith now?
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On 26/08/2020 2:54 pm, geoff wrote:
On 26/08/2020 4:48 pm, wrote:
I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of recording
of material for mass consumption.
Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop,
classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find
lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or do
you think audio recording is at its zenith now?


Recording technology is certainly at its zenith - one can achieve
whatever one wants, for better or for worse, and
recording/production/delivery is nearer to the actual acoustic (where
appropriate) that ever in the past.


I would agree, but I know plenty of people still argue tape is better
than digital. Or valve amps are superior to solid state (and not just
guitar amps) Or vinyl is better than CD. Or classic mics are superior
etc. So I'm sure you could have an endless debate with those people if
that's what you are after. These people simply don't get the difference
between *personal preference*, artistic *choices*, and actual
superiority of performance.


Whether or not 'most' of the music is as creative or worthy of
admiration is up for debate ...


Well at least that is *really* debatable! But once again it is more
about personal preference.



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On 26/08/2020 5:27 pm, Trevor wrote:
On 26/08/2020 2:54 pm, geoff wrote:
On 26/08/2020 4:48 pm, wrote:
I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of recording
of material for mass consumption.
Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop,
classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find
lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or do
you think audio recording is at its zenith now?


Recording technology is certainly at its zenith - one can achieve
whatever one wants, for better or for worse, and
recording/production/delivery is nearer to the actual acoustic (where
appropriate) that ever in the past.


I would agree, but I know plenty of people still argue tape is better
than digital. Or valve amps are superior to solid state (and not just
guitar amps) Or vinyl is better than CD. Or classic mics are superior
etc. So I'm sure you could have an endless debate with those people if
that's what you are after. These people simply don't get the difference
between *personal preference*, artistic *choices*, and actual
superiority of performance.


Many people believe religions and other irrational and ridiculous things
too.



Whether or not 'most' of the music is as creative or worthy of
admiration is up for debate ...


Well at least that is *really* debatable! But once again it is more
about personal preference.


But no matter how good (or bad) it can be done very well ;- )

geoff

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Musicians are playing software instead of instruments. I'm doing it with Apple Logic Pro X.
It's allowed me to "compose" with instruments I can't play and don't have time to learn in this lifetime. Is that a good thing? I don't know. It works for me; expanding my musical horizon. Should I be concerned about putting other musicians out of work? Here's one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7M2-GIW9Ls

There was a magic involved in designing and build recording studios. People today don't always realize how great some of the old big rooms were. I feel lucky to have been in some of them. Just standing there and listening to the room.......Wow!
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There was a magic involved in designing and build recording studios. People today don't always realize how great some of the old big rooms were. I feel lucky to have been in some of them. Just standing there and listening to the room.......Wow!

Grin I am close to getting a lovely sounding room. 69 feet by 35 feet
by 30 feet or so tall at the top of the vaulted ceiling.

This one:-

www.oysterbroadcast.co.uk/Click_2.html

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On 26/08/2020 16:08, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2020 14:50, Ty Ford wrote:

There was a magic involved in designing and build recording studios.
People today don't always realize how great some of the old big rooms
were. I feel lucky to have been in some of them. Just standing there
and listening to the room.......Wow!

Grin I am close to getting a lovely sounding room. 69 feet by 35 feet
by 30 feet or so tall at the top of the vaulted ceiling.

This one:-

www.oysterbroadcast.co.uk/Click_2.html

it is in he-

https://goo.gl/maps/PdBNqjaLT7hyRx3d8

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On 27/08/2020 3:29 am, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2020 16:08, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/08/2020 14:50, Ty Ford wrote:

There was a magic involved in designing and build recording studios.
People today don't always realize how great some of the old big rooms
were. I feel lucky to have been in some of them. Just standing there
and listening to the room.......Wow!

Grin I am close to getting a lovely sounding room. 69 feet by 35 feet
by 30 feet or so tall at the top of the vaulted ceiling.

This one:-

www.oysterbroadcast.co.uk/Click_2.html

it is in he-

https://goo.gl/maps/PdBNqjaLT7hyRx3d8


Lovely ;- )

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In article , Trevor wrote:
On 26/08/2020 2:54 pm, geoff wrote:

Recording technology is certainly at its zenith - one can achieve
whatever one wants, for better or for worse, and
recording/production/delivery is nearer to the actual acoustic (where
appropriate) that ever in the past.


I would agree, but I know plenty of people still argue tape is better
than digital. Or valve amps are superior to solid state (and not just
guitar amps) Or vinyl is better than CD. Or classic mics are superior
etc. So I'm sure you could have an endless debate with those people if
that's what you are after. These people simply don't get the difference
between *personal preference*, artistic *choices*, and actual
superiority of performance.


But that's WHY recording technology is at its zenith... there are more
choices than ever before. You want something that sounds like tape,
that's great because you have a bunch of tape formulations to choose
from. If you want something completely clean, we finally have digital
converters that can do that. Want to make an acoustic disc? Sure, we
can do that. Whatever is appropriate to the music, we have plenty of
production methods and systems to choose from.
--scott


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I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of recording of material for mass consumption.

Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop, classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or do you think audio recording is at its zenith now?


In the late eighties I worked with a producer in Atlanta who assured me
that the music of the early seventies was the best ever, and that nothing
better would ever be achieved. His argument was that it was the drugs
that made the music what it was and "you can't get stuff like that any
more." He had a long list of products from quaaludes to gorilla
tranquilizers that he claimed were the key to the fine music of the era.

Personally I don't agree with this, but I was doing classical music at
the time. Drugs did not appear on the classical scene until much later.
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Trevor wrote:
On 26/08/2020 2:54 pm, geoff wrote:
On 26/08/2020 4:48 pm, wrote:
I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of recording
of material for mass consumption.
Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop,
classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find
lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or do
you think audio recording is at its zenith now?


Recording technology is certainly at its zenith - one can achieve
whatever one wants, for better or for worse, and
recording/production/delivery is nearer to the actual acoustic (where
appropriate) that ever in the past.


I would agree, but I know plenty of people still argue tape is better
than digital. Or valve amps are superior to solid state (and not just
guitar amps) Or vinyl is better than CD. Or classic mics are superior
etc.


Those are mostly objectively wrong; it's not hard to define and
demonstrate the defects. Even guitar amps are this way these days;
Pat Quilter's made a big dent and modelling is all but
indistinguishable from the real thing.

So I'm sure you could have an endless debate with those people if
that's what you are after. These people simply don't get the difference
between *personal preference*, artistic *choices*, and actual
superiority of performance.


All they have to say is "workflow" and we're good to go. There's nothing
wrong with fetishism but insisting on your ... kink as correct
is when the eyebrows go up.


Whether or not 'most' of the music is as creative or worthy of
admiration is up for debate ...


Well at least that is *really* debatable! But once again it is more
about personal preference.




IMO? There's too much money in (pop) music now for it to be any good.
There's zero tolerance for risk. Any risk would need to be justified on
a "social media" or other marketing basis.

Same for theater.

Same for film.

Same for books.

There's good music out there but it's hard to find.

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Why is all the pop music quantixed to death? Answer: artists
are fungible and replaceable ( and may not even be able to play their
own stuff ) and producers make up the balance. Quantization better fits
that risk profile. See Rick Beato on Youtube for details ( "How
Computers Ruined Music")


That's how pop music has always been. Menudo. The Monkees.

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.

Why is the dialogue in film way too low in level and unintelligible?


Because we don't have big dubbing stages any more. People mix films in
tiny closets so that the mix will translate into someone's living room.
Show that film in a big auditorium with a second reverb time and you
won't be able to make out any of the words.
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Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.


And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.

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On 27 Aug 2020 15:16:26 -0000, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.


And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.


HaHa. But don't think he ever played on a Beatles record. Or a Rolling
Stones, or Who, or Pink Floyd, or......



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On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:56:45 +1000, Trevor wrote:

On 28/08/2020 3:12 am, Don Pearce wrote:
On 27 Aug 2020 15:16:26 -0000, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.


And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.


HaHa. But don't think he ever played on a Beatles record. Or a Rolling
Stones, or Who, or Pink Floyd, or......



They were rock, not pop.

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wrote:
I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of recording of material for mass consumption.

Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop, classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or do you think audio recording is at its zenith now?


In the late eighties I worked with a producer in Atlanta who assured me
that the music of the early seventies was the best ever, and that nothing
better would ever be achieved. His argument was that it was the drugs
that made the music what it was and "you can't get stuff like that any
more." He had a long list of products from quaaludes to gorilla
tranquilizers that he claimed were the key to the fine music of the era.

Personally I don't agree with this, but I was doing classical music at
the time. Drugs did not appear on the classical scene until much later.
--scott



Scott,
I lived in Nashville from '70 to '75 and I encountered some of the top song
writers and such in the business at the local pill doctor's clinic. It was
certainly a trip.
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Beatles record. Or a Rolling Stones, or Who, or Pink Floyd, or......

... not pop.


Your Mother Should Know, She's A Rainbow, Happy Jack, Grantchester Meadows.
Not pop. Ha!

But in fact, Page did play with the Stones on at least one of their
recordings, and he played on a Beatles tune in the film _A Hard Day's
Night_. (It was incidental sound-track music, not played by the Beatles.)
And of course, he also played with the Who, and pretty much everyone else in
that time and place.

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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:
Why is all the pop music quantixed to death? Answer: artists
are fungible and replaceable ( and may not even be able to play their
own stuff ) and producers make up the balance. Quantization better fits
that risk profile. See Rick Beato on Youtube for details ( "How
Computers Ruined Music")


That's how pop music has always been. Menudo. The Monkees.


The Monkees records sound amazing. It was basically The Wrecking Crew
playing like Carole King songs. It's not quantized. For pop, as pop,
it's top shelf.

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.





Why is the dialogue in film way too low in level and unintelligible?


Because we don't have big dubbing stages any more.


Whut? I could get the dialogue up to level here, in front of little MI
store monitors. My guess is that they overwork the mixers and they mix
too loud. No trouble making out the explosions, either.

I've read things that indicate they undermix the dialogue to get people
to listen harder, to "lean in".

But mainly, I'd bet there just a lot of hacks out there.

People mix films in
tiny closets so that the mix will translate into someone's living room.


This is America. People have massive living rooms now. I listen in a
living room. I still have the captions on.

Show that film in a big auditorium with a second reverb time and you
won't be able to make out any of the words.


The acoustics in theaters is a whole 'nother story. Meyer Sound
should think about packaging some of their correction stuff for
theaters - I bet they'd sell more than a few.

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Trevor wrote:
On 28/08/2020 3:12 am, Don Pearce wrote:
On 27 Aug 2020 15:16:26 -0000, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.


And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.


HaHa. But don't think he ever played on a Beatles record. Or a Rolling
Stones, or Who, or Pink Floyd, or......




He played on at least one Who record.

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Don Pearce wrote:
On 27 Aug 2020 15:16:26 -0000, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.


And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.

d


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:56:45 +1000, Trevor wrote:

On 28/08/2020 3:12 am, Don Pearce wrote:
On 27 Aug 2020 15:16:26 -0000, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.

And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.


HaHa. But don't think he ever played on a Beatles record. Or a Rolling
Stones, or Who, or Pink Floyd, or......



They were rock, not pop.


Didn't come much more popular than the Beatles! :-)



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On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:34:34 +1000, Trevor wrote:

On 28/08/2020 5:14 pm, Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:56:45 +1000, Trevor wrote:

On 28/08/2020 3:12 am, Don Pearce wrote:
On 27 Aug 2020 15:16:26 -0000, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.

And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.

HaHa. But don't think he ever played on a Beatles record. Or a Rolling
Stones, or Who, or Pink Floyd, or......



They were rock, not pop.


Didn't come much more popular than the Beatles! :-)


Another use of the word.... But you knew that

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Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:34:34 +1000, Trevor wrote:
On 28/08/2020 5:14 pm, Don Pearce wrote:

They were rock, not pop.


Didn't come much more popular than the Beatles! :-)

Another use of the word.... But you knew that


The Beatles... they were a phenomenon unto themselves. They weren't rock,
they weren't pop, they weren't blues, they were all three at the same time
but really they weren't anything but the Beatles. I fear we shall not see
their like again.

My father said they destroyed American music and they certainly transformed it.
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Absolutely. Page was called "Little Jim Sullivan" as Big Jim was the go to
guy.
And my biggest reason to watch the Tom Jones Show. Other than Mr. Jones of
course.


It's not unusual...
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The Beatles... they were a phenomenon unto themselves. They weren't rock,
they weren't pop, they weren't blues, they were all three at the same time
but really they weren't anything but the Beatles. I fear we shall not see
their like again.

My father said they destroyed American music and they certainly transformed it.
--scott


My great-uncle said the Beatles were part of a Communist plot, though to
put this in context, he said the same of fluoridated water and a number
of other things.

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"Les Cargill"Â* wrote in message ...

Don Pearce wrote:
On 27 Aug 2020 15:16:26 -0000, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Hell, just about any time any actress sang in a Hollywood movie, her
voice was replaced with Marni Nixon's.


And any time any guitarist played on a British pop record, it was
actually Jimmy Page.

d


When it wasn't Big Jim Sullivan.



Absolutely. Page was called "Little Jim Sullivan" as Big Jim was the go
to guy.
And my biggest reason to watch the Tom Jones Show. Other than Mr. Jones
of course.


Poly


Did you throw your undies at the TV ?

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On 8/29/20 9:35 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

The Beatles... they were a phenomenon unto themselves. They weren't rock,
they weren't pop, they weren't blues, they were all three at the same time
but really they weren't anything but the Beatles. I fear we shall not see
their like again.

My father said they destroyed American music and they certainly transformed it.
--scott


My great-uncle said the Beatles were part of a Communist plot, though to
put this in context, he said the same of fluoridated water and a number
of other things.


Ah, the "reds under the bed" mob. That was a dark period in US history
that still lingers in the oath of allegiance. Time the real version
was restored.

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Ah, the "reds under the bed" mob. That was a dark period in US history
that still lingers in the oath of allegiance. Time the real version
was restored.


I was a teen-ager during the McCarthy era. My parents were reluctant to
let me go to folk music gatherings in town because they were afraid that
there were communists there who would be a bad influence.

Pete Seeger (his brother Mike was a regular at those gatherings) would
occasionally drop by when he was in town. He was among those
investigated and banned. You can't get any better than that when it
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I think our cultural 'zenith' was the years 1965 - 1985. The best movies, the best TV shows, some of the best books, and definitely, the best misic and best sound quality thereof. While digital audio is the most transparent format for capturing and playing back music, it has been abused terribly, by both engineers and their cloents, especially from the late 1990s to mid-last decade. And of course this led to the format being blamed, resulting in the renaissance of tried and true analog formats such as the vinyl LP.
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I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of recording of material for mass consumption.

Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop, classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or do you think audio recording is at its zenith now?

______
I think our cultural 'zenith' was the years 1965 - 1985.
The best movies, the best TV shows, some of the best
books, and definitely, the best music and best sound
quality thereof. While digital audio is the most transparent
format for capturing and playing back music, it has been
abused terribly, by both engineers and their cloents,
especially from the late 1990s to mid-last decade.

And of
course this led to the format being blamed, resulting in the
renaissance of tried and true analog formats such as the
vinyl LP.
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:34:34 +1000, Trevor wrote:
On 28/08/2020 5:14 pm, Don Pearce wrote:

They were rock, not pop.

Didn't come much more popular than the Beatles! :-)

Another use of the word.... But you knew that


The Beatles...


You mean the band Paul was in before Wings?

they were a phenomenon unto themselves. They weren't rock,
they weren't pop, they weren't blues, they were all three at the same time
but really they weren't anything but the Beatles. I fear we shall not see
their like again.

My father said they destroyed American music and they certainly transformed it.


I wouldn't argue with your Dad much.

Around 1964, American music was primarily musical theater and the film
adaptations of it. The movie industry was setting up for "Cleopatra" to
pretty much end that era[1], and the writing for musical theater
had seen its best days.

[1] the period between HUAC and Cleopatra, the winding down of the
momentum from the studio system.

"The Sound of Music" was the last of its kind. 1965.

We might as well blame the transistor radio. Or "Hair".

This completely ignores entire continents centered around
record labels that produced better-than-pop pop, like Motown,
Stax, the LA labels built on the Wrecking Crew and then all the stuff
outta Muscle Shoals. That's just a start.

And the Stones were, in the end, very American. But in the end,
having the performers write the material is a "better" business model
- for the people who worked on percentage anyway.

--scott


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Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:09:35 -0500, Tatonik
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On 8/29/20 9:35 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

The Beatles... they were a phenomenon unto themselves. They weren't rock,
they weren't pop, they weren't blues, they were all three at the same time
but really they weren't anything but the Beatles. I fear we shall not see
their like again.

My father said they destroyed American music and they certainly transformed it.
--scott


My great-uncle said the Beatles were part of a Communist plot, though to
put this in context, he said the same of fluoridated water and a number
of other things.


Ah, the "reds under the bed" mob. That was a dark period in US history
that still lingers in the oath of allegiance. Time the real version
was restored.

d



The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds under
(some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain, where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

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On 8/30/2020 3:07 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
Ah, the "reds under the bed" mob. That was a dark period in US history
that still lingers in the oath of allegiance. Time the real version
was restored.


I was a teen-ager during the McCarthy era. My parents were reluctant to
let me go to folk music gatherings in town because they were afraid that
there were communists there who would be a bad influence.

Pete Seeger (his brother Mike was a regular at those gatherings) would
occasionally drop by when he was in town. He was among those
investigated and banned. You can't get any better than that when it
comes to "music from the people."


Dave van Ronk is on film talking about Stalinists and Trots arguing in
the cafes of Greenwich village.

What you now have is "music of the people". It's producers picking
up marketable acts, putting nameless musos to work filling in the
tracks and spending all the money on marketing.

Sorta just like always.

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Chris K-Man wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 12:48:08 AM UTC-4, ye.com wrote:
I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of
recording of material for mass consumption.

Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop,
classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find
lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or
do you think audio recording is at its zenith now?

______ I think our cultural 'zenith' was the years 1965 - 1985.


"Pulp Fiction" was in 1994.

The best movies, the best TV shows,


"Twin Peaks: The Return" was 2017. "The best" now comes from cable
channels or premium cable channels; we're generally considered to be
in a "golden age".

Are we? I dunno. Probably.

some of the best books, and
definitely, the best misic and best sound quality thereof. While
digital audio is the most transparent format for capturing and
playing back music, it has been abused terribly, by both engineers
and their cloents, especially from the late 1990s to mid-last
decade. And of course this led to the format being blamed,
resulting in the renaissance of tried and true analog formats such
as the vinyl LP.


Things like Beat Detective and Melodyne have apparently been abused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFaRIW-wZlw

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On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 1:44:32 PM UTC-4, Les Cargill wrote:
Chris K-Man wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 12:48:08 AM UTC-4, ye.com wrote:
I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of
recording of material for mass consumption.

Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop,
classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find
lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or
do you think audio recording is at its zenith now?

______ I think our cultural 'zenith' was the years 1965 - 1985.

"Pulp Fiction" was in 1994.
The best movies, the best TV shows,

"Twin Peaks: The Return" was 2017. "The best" now comes from cable
channels or premium cable channels; we're generally considered to be
in a "golden age".

Are we? I dunno. Probably.
some of the best books, and
definitely, the best misic and best sound quality thereof. While
digital audio is the most transparent format for capturing and
playing back music, it has been abused terribly, by both engineers
and their cloents, especially from the late 1990s to mid-last
decade. And of course this led to the format being blamed,
resulting in the renaissance of tried and true analog formats such
as the vinyl LP.

Things like Beat Detective and Melodyne have apparently been abused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFaRIW-wZlw

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Les Cargill

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Fer sure, there have been standouts before and since the period I referenced, just not at the same Gatlin gun rapid fire rate. Now is more like fire, load. lock. repeat. Single bolt action compared to then.
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On 31/08/2020 5:44 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Chris K-Man wrote:
On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 12:48:08 AM UTC-4, ye.com wrote:
I'm talking about what one would label as the pro world of
recording of material for mass consumption.

Is there anything about a particular arena of recording - pop,
classical, opera, TV news, film, etc. - whatever - that you find
lacking compared to an earlier era despite all the technology? Or
do you think audio recording is at its zenith now?

______ I think ourÂ* cultural 'zenith'Â* was the years 1965 -Â* 1985.


"Pulp Fiction" was in 1994.


... and Six Feet Under 2001 to 2005.

geoff
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