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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I
donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. Thank you |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
"Ale" wrote in message oups.com... ** So you were NOT happy with all the high quality replies you got on " uk.rec.audio" with the exact same question ?? Or, are you intent carrying out a global opinion survey of all usenet on the matter ? Or maybe the entirety of cyberspace ? I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. ** What the **** for ?? You are clearly far too ****ing stupid to gain even the slightest of benefit. **** OFF - you ridiculous bloody TROLL !!!!! ........ Phil |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
Ale wrote: I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. I suggest you try rec.audio.opinion too btw. Graham |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:36:30 +0100, Eeyore
wrote: Ale wrote: I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. I suggest you try rec.audio.opinion too btw. Graham Oh, that wasn't nice. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
On 6 Sep 2006 07:54:58 -0700, "Ale" wrote:
I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. Thank you I think you really want an audiophile group, who will happily recommend all sort of expensive procedures. |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
"Ale" wrote ...
I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. The original purpose of spikes was to keep things from moving around (the speaker on the stand, the stand on the floor) and/or to couple them together. If you have hard floors, and the speakers/stands weigh anything at all, there should be no significant problem keeping the stand in contact with your floor. The reason you are seeing contradictory information is because spikes have been hijacked by the "magic audio" community and imbued with all sorts of amazing powers (and at a properly ridiculous high price). That is why you saw some people refering you to the rec.audio.opinion newsgroup where they discuss (and even believe in) "magic audio". This is a "tech" group where the approach is a bit more scientific and practical. Spikes are a solution to a specific problem. If you don't have that problem, they will do nothing but lighten your wallet. "If it ain't broke, don't attempt to fix it." |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
Richard Crowley ha escrito: The original purpose of spikes was to keep things from moving around (the speaker on the stand, the stand on the floor) and/or to couple them together. If you have hard floors, and the speakers/stands weigh anything at all, there should be no significant problem keeping the stand in contact with your floor. The reason you are seeing contradictory information is because spikes have been hijacked by the "magic audio" community and imbued with all sorts of amazing powers (and at a properly ridiculous high price). That is why you saw some people refering you to the rec.audio.opinion newsgroup where they discuss (and even believe in) "magic audio". This is a "tech" group where the approach is a bit more scientific and practical. Spikes are a solution to a specific problem. If you don't have that problem, they will do nothing but lighten your wallet. "If it ain't broke, don't attempt to fix it." Thank you Richard. That was helpful. By the way, whatīs the matter with this Phil? He writes nothing but aggression! |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
On 6 Sep 2006 10:26:21 -0700, "Ale" wrote:
Richard Crowley ha escrito: The original purpose of spikes was to keep things from moving around (the speaker on the stand, the stand on the floor) and/or to couple them together. If you have hard floors, and the speakers/stands weigh anything at all, there should be no significant problem keeping the stand in contact with your floor. The reason you are seeing contradictory information is because spikes have been hijacked by the "magic audio" community and imbued with all sorts of amazing powers (and at a properly ridiculous high price). That is why you saw some people refering you to the rec.audio.opinion newsgroup where they discuss (and even believe in) "magic audio". This is a "tech" group where the approach is a bit more scientific and practical. Spikes are a solution to a specific problem. If you don't have that problem, they will do nothing but lighten your wallet. "If it ain't broke, don't attempt to fix it." Thank you Richard. That was helpful. By the way, whatīs the matter with this Phil? He writes nothing but aggression! Phil is the sole resident of my killfile. He is a deeply disturbed man, and you would do well to ignore him. Strangely enough, if you have the stomach to read him, he often speaks some sense - just not enough to be worth the unpleasantness. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
Don Pearce wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 16:36:30 +0100, Eeyore wrote: Ale wrote: I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. I suggest you try rec.audio.opinion too btw. Graham Oh, that wasn't nice. I'm a bad boy aren't I ? ;~) Graham |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
Ale wrote: Richard Crowley ha escrito: The original purpose of spikes was to keep things from moving around (the speaker on the stand, the stand on the floor) and/or to couple them together. If you have hard floors, and the speakers/stands weigh anything at all, there should be no significant problem keeping the stand in contact with your floor. The reason you are seeing contradictory information is because spikes have been hijacked by the "magic audio" community and imbued with all sorts of amazing powers (and at a properly ridiculous high price). That is why you saw some people refering you to the rec.audio.opinion newsgroup where they discuss (and even believe in) "magic audio". This is a "tech" group where the approach is a bit more scientific and practical. Spikes are a solution to a specific problem. If you don't have that problem, they will do nothing but lighten your wallet. "If it ain't broke, don't attempt to fix it." Thank you Richard. That was helpful. By the way, whatīs the matter with this Phil? He writes nothing but aggression! Not *always* ! He is especially intolerant of fools or those he suspects may be fools though. Graham |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
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Richard Crowley wrote: I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. The original purpose of spikes was to keep things from moving around (the speaker on the stand, the stand on the floor) and/or to couple them together. If you have hard floors, and the speakers/stands weigh anything at all, there should be no significant problem keeping the stand in contact with your floor. In general, I agree, *if* the floors are flat, *or* if the stand is made with a three-point support. The problem I see occasionally, is a speaker (or stands) with four legs, sitting on a floor which isn't entirely flat (sometimes the case with older hardwood floors). In this situation, the stand or speaker may have a bit of a tendency to rock back and forth, which might be disconcerting. In severe cases there might even be some buzzing during passages with loud bass, although I haven't observed this myself. Three-point support systems don't have this problem of rocking, although they don't provide as wide a support footprint and it might be a bit easier to accidentally push over a tall speaker if it's on a three-legged stand. My own preference is to use a three-point support, if it can be done safely (e.g. with legs in the front two corners, and a third in the center rear near the wall). For this sort of support I don't believe that spikes bring any real advantage - any fairly small foot will result in high pressure against the floor or carpet and will allow the speaker to sit firmly and stably. My own home-built speakers sit on three 1" acrylic-plastic blocks, on a hardwood floor, and have no tendency to rock or vibrate, and since there are no spikes I don't end up with holes punched in the hardwood. The situation in which spikes can be useful, I think, is where you really want/need a four-legged support (e.g. for a tall and narrow speaker system, placed out away from the wall, and are concerned about the speaker being pushed over), and have a floor which is not hard and flat and level. In this situation, a four-footed speaker or stand without spikes might have a tendency to rock back and forth a bit due to the unevenness of the floor. Downward-pointed spikes which penetrate the floor, or upwards-pointed spikes which penetrate the stand or the speaker cabinet, could reduce or eliminate the tendency of the speaker/stand to rock back and forth. You could probably get much the same benefit by using threaded brass inserts in the stand base, and using appliance-type feet with threaded shafts that can be screwed into the inserts and then adjusted. This would let you level the stand and speaker, with equal pressure on each foot, and not have to deal with spike holes in your hardwood floor. It won't look as sexy and expensive as a set of gold-plated solid-brass spikes, though. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
"Don Pearce" wrote...
Phil is the sole resident of my killfile. He is a deeply disturbed man, and you would do well to ignore him. Strangely enough, if you have the stomach to read him, he often speaks some sense - just not enough to be worth the unpleasantness. His SNR is significantly lower than 1dB. |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
Richard Crowley wrote:
His SNR is significantly lower than 1dB. 1 db is still more signal than noise. Try -20. //Walt |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
Ale wrote:
I am about to construct a couple of speaker stands to my DM601 S2 and I donīt know if I should use spikes between the stands and the floor. My floor is hard (without carpet). In case I should use them, should I use 3 or 4 per stand? What about between the speakers and the stands? I have also seen spikes there. I have found contradictory information on the web about this topic, I would like to know your opinion. The biggest benefit to using spikes is if your floor is carpeted. If you place a speaker flat on the carpet it will leave an imprint that may not go away when you move the speaker to another location. i.e. the main benefit is not audible, but rather another aesthetic consideration. That said, spikes vs no spikes *can* make an audible difference in some cases - for instance a carpeted floor that's fairly resonant - spikes will couple the speaker to the floor and excite vibrational modes that would be damped by a layer of carpet in the middle. Whether this is an improvement depends highly on the specific room and speaker. The ideal speaker stand simply positions the speaker in a specific place and adds *nothing* to the sound. That is, it shouldn't have any sympathetic vibrations that are audible. An upside-down galvanized steel trash can, for instance, makes a terrible speaker stand. Spikes will couple the vibration from the speaker to the stand to the floor, and if the floor vibrates you'll hear that. Is this a good thing? Depends on the floor and the speaker, but the smart way to bet is no. My advice: no spikes, use damping material between the speaker and the stand and between the speaker and the floor. In most cases, the fewer the sympathetic vibrations, the better. //Walt |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
Thank you for your comments. For the moment I will make the stands
without metal spikes, at least until I have my floor carpeted. |
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Speaker Stands: with or without spikes?
"Ale" wrote in message s.com... Thank you for your comments. For the moment I will make the stands without metal spikes, at least until I have my floor carpeted. ** He actually listened to good advice ............ Will wonders never cease ... ......... Phil ( flabbergasted ) |
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