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WPL or M3U - Which playlist is appropriate?
In Windows Media version 11.0 under the Burn options, I can choose
one of the above options for a playlist(or TOC) to be applied to CDs I'm burning mp3s to. Problem: An older stereo(12 years old) of ours is having trouble recognizing mp3 CDs I've burned at home on my Vista system with WMP 11.0, and plays them only after 3 - 5 minutes. On the other hand, it has NO PROBLEM reading and playing mp3 CDs I burned at WORK on an XP system with either WMP 9.0 or 10.0! Can you suggest what might be causing this trouble, and will selecting one or the other form of playlist in my subject rectify this problem. BTW my older boombox(11 years old) has no problem playing any of these CDs I've burned. WEIRD. -ChrisCoaster |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote...
In Windows Media version 11.0 under the Burn options, I can choose one of the above options for a playlist(or TOC) to be applied to CDs I'm burning mp3s to. You are burning standard RedBook audio CDs? Not some data CD with MP3 files on it or something? If you are burning standard RedBook audio CDs, then it should make no difference what play list you are using because there is no "play list" on a RedBook audio CD. The format simply has a series of audio files which are indexed by a simple directory. All standard audio CDs are made this way. There is no "play list". Problem: An older stereo(12 years old) of ours is having trouble recognizing mp3 CDs What is an "mp3 CD"? If it is a standard RedBook CD which is supposed to be playable in any audio CD player, then it is NOT an "MP3 CD". The audio may have had its origins in MP3 files, but there is nothing "MP3" about the disc. Calling it an "MP3 CD" just confuses matters and is technically incorrect. If it is a disc with MP3 files on it, then it is not an audio CD, it is a computer data disc with computer files which happen to be MP3 files with audio in them. Most standalone CD players (except likely the most recent models) will likely have no clue what to do with a computer data disc with MP3 files on it. They are hard-wired to play only RedBook audio CDs. I've burned at home on my Vista system with WMP 11.0, and plays them only after 3 - 5 minutes. On the other hand, it has NO PROBLEM reading and playing mp3 CDs I burned at WORK on an XP system with either WMP 9.0 or 10.0! Are you using the same brand of discs? Do the two computers use the same make and model CDR drive? Are you burning at the same speed? I would suspect any (or several) of those factors before even dreaming of any kind of "play list" problem. My very strong suspicion is that the discs you are burning at home have less optical contrast than the ones you are burning at work. Your older player is taking a much longer time to recognize the data and "sync-up" to it because the ones and zeroes are marginal (from poor contrast). Lower contrast could be caused by.... 1) Using a different brand of blank disc. 2) Burning at a different speed. 3) Using a different brand/model CDR drive to burn them. The differental diagnosis would be to at least swap blank disc types, and try burning at lower speeds. You could even try swaping the CDR drive and/or the software (if possible?) Can you suggest what might be causing this trouble, See above. and will selecting one or the other form of playlist in my subject rectify this problem. I don't see how it could have anything at all to do with your playlists. BTW my older boombox(11 years old) has no problem playing any of these CDs I've burned. WEIRD. Some drives (particularly newer ones, but some older ones, also) are just better at pulling data out of low-contrast discs. You didn't mention whether you are using CDR discs or CDRW (re-writable) discs. Note that CDRW discs are notoriously lower contrast than CDR (write-once) discs, and are practically guaranteed to give more problems, especially on older audio CD players. |
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On Aug 5, 9:08*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" *wrote... In Windows Media version 11.0 under the Burn options, I can choose one of the above options for a playlist(or TOC) to be applied to CDs I'm burning mp3s to. You are burning standard RedBook audio CDs? Not some data CD with MP3 files on it or something? If you are burning standard RedBook audio CDs, then it should make no difference what play list you are using because there is no "play list" on a RedBook audio CD. *The format simply has a series of audio files which are indexed by a simple directory. *All standard audio CDs are made this way. There is no "play list". Problem: *An older stereo(12 years old) of ours is having trouble recognizing mp3 CDs What is an "mp3 CD"? *If it is a standard RedBook CD which is supposed to be playable in any audio CD player, then it is NOT an "MP3 CD". *The audio may have had its origins in MP3 files, but there is nothing "MP3" about the disc. *Calling it an "MP3 CD" just confuses matters and is technically incorrect. If it is a disc with MP3 files on it, then it is not an audio CD, it is a computer data disc with computer files which happen to be MP3 files with audio in them. *Most standalone CD players (except likely the most recent models) will likely have no clue what to do with a computer data disc with MP3 files on it. They are hard-wired to play only RedBook audio CDs. I've burned at home on my Vista system with WMP 11.0, and plays them only after 3 - 5 minutes. *On the other hand, it has NO PROBLEM reading and playing mp3 CDs I burned at WORK on an XP system with either WMP 9.0 or 10.0! Are you using the same brand of discs? *Do the two computers use the same make and model CDR drive? *Are you burning at the same speed? I would suspect any (or several) of those factors before even dreaming of any kind of "play list" problem. My very strong suspicion is that the discs you are burning at home have less optical contrast than the ones you are burning at work. Your older player is taking a much longer time to recognize the data and "sync-up" to it because the ones and zeroes are marginal (from poor contrast). Lower contrast could be caused by.... 1) Using a different brand of blank disc. 2) Burning at a different speed. 3) Using a different brand/model CDR drive to burn them. The differental diagnosis would be to at least swap blank disc types, and try burning at lower speeds. You could even try swaping the CDR drive and/or the software (if possible?) Can you suggest what might be causing this trouble, See above. and will selecting one or the other form of playlist in my subject rectify this problem. I don't see how it could have anything at all to do with your playlists. BTW my older boombox(11 years old) has no problem playing any of these CDs I've burned. *WEIRD. Some drives (particularly newer ones, but some older ones, also) are just better at pulling data out of low-contrast discs. You didn't mention whether you are using CDR discs or CDRW (re-writable) discs. Note that CDRW discs are notoriously lower contrast than CDR (write-once) discs, and are practically guaranteed to give more problems, especially on older audio CD players. ___________________ Answer to your ?? - CDRW. I should have mentioned it - but the old stereo is having this trouble MAINLY with the first 3 - 6 tracks of the CDs I've burned at home. In addition, the older boombox is *starting* to have trouble reading some of the ones I recorded at work(I recorded them over a year ago at a job I'm no longer at, so they are probably starting to deteriorate). Not to mention, but I'm putting over 75 minutes of music on a format that holds 79 min & change. I know that CDs are read from the spindle out to the edge(opposite of records), but I have to wonder, is the read arm of this player simply not capable of "reaching" the tracks toward the inside of the CD with that much burned to it? If the contrast is an issue, I will be sure to purchase CDRs in the future - and possibly even re-burn some of my CD-RW collections onto them. Are CD-Rs still available? Dumb question, but I had to ask! -CC |
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WPL or M3U - Which playlist is appropriate?
On Aug 5, 9:08*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" *wrote... In Windows Media version 11.0 under the Burn options, I can choose one of the above options for a playlist(or TOC) to be applied to CDs I'm burning mp3s to. You are burning standard RedBook audio CDs? Not some data CD with MP3 files on it or something? If you are burning standard RedBook audio CDs, then it should make no difference what play list you are using because there is no "play list" on a RedBook audio CD. *The format simply has a series of audio files which are indexed by a simple directory. *All standard audio CDs are made this way. There is no "play list". Problem: *An older stereo(12 years old) of ours is having trouble recognizing mp3 CDs What is an "mp3 CD"? *If it is a standard RedBook CD which is supposed to be playable in any audio CD player, then it is NOT an "MP3 CD". *The audio may have had its origins in MP3 files, but there is nothing "MP3" about the disc. *Calling it an "MP3 CD" just confuses matters and is technically incorrect. If it is a disc with MP3 files on it, then it is not an audio CD, it is a computer data disc with computer files which happen to be MP3 files with audio in them. *Most standalone CD players (except likely the most recent models) will likely have no clue what to do with a computer data disc with MP3 files on it. They are hard-wired to play only RedBook audio CDs. I've burned at home on my Vista system with WMP 11.0, and plays them only after 3 - 5 minutes. *On the other hand, it has NO PROBLEM reading and playing mp3 CDs I burned at WORK on an XP system with either WMP 9.0 or 10.0! Are you using the same brand of discs? *Do the two computers use the same make and model CDR drive? *Are you burning at the same speed? I would suspect any (or several) of those factors before even dreaming of any kind of "play list" problem. My very strong suspicion is that the discs you are burning at home have less optical contrast than the ones you are burning at work. Your older player is taking a much longer time to recognize the data and "sync-up" to it because the ones and zeroes are marginal (from poor contrast). Lower contrast could be caused by.... 1) Using a different brand of blank disc. 2) Burning at a different speed. 3) Using a different brand/model CDR drive to burn them. The differental diagnosis would be to at least swap blank disc types, and try burning at lower speeds. You could even try swaping the CDR drive and/or the software (if possible?) Can you suggest what might be causing this trouble, See above. and will selecting one or the other form of playlist in my subject rectify this problem. I don't see how it could have anything at all to do with your playlists. BTW my older boombox(11 years old) has no problem playing any of these CDs I've burned. *WEIRD. Some drives (particularly newer ones, but some older ones, also) are just better at pulling data out of low-contrast discs. You didn't mention whether you are using CDR discs or CDRW (re-writable) discs. Note that CDRW discs are notoriously lower contrast than CDR (write-once) discs, and are practically guaranteed to give more problems, especially on older audio CD players. ________________________ Sorry for the fragmented questions, RC, but here's another: If the pits are of low contrast(ie shallow) will this affect audio fidelity of a disc the player is reading, vs. a disc with deep burns? -CC |
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WPL or M3U - Which playlist is appropriate?
"ChrisCoaster" wrote ...
Answer to your ?? - CDRW. I would switch to CDR instantly. I should have mentioned it - but the old stereo is having this trouble MAINLY with the first 3 - 6 tracks of the CDs I've burned at home. In addition, the older boombox is *starting* to have trouble reading some of the ones I recorded at work(I recorded them over a year ago at a job I'm no longer at, so they are probably starting to deteriorate). Indeed, I have an old old Sony CD player with gummed-up lubrication on the "sled" so that it will play only the inner part of the disc. Requires cleaning and re-lubrication. But you could probably buy a new player (or two) for what it would cost to get repaired. Not to mention, but I'm putting over 75 minutes of music on a format that holds 79 min & change. I do that with some regularity. It should NOT affect the readability. Except that some older players don't like the 80-minute blanks. Because they have a finer pitch which was not anticipated in those old 1-2 generation of players. I know that CDs are read from the spindle out to the edge(opposite of records), but I have to wonder, is the read arm of this player simply not capable of "reaching" the tracks toward the inside of the CD with that much burned to it? If the contrast is an issue, I will be sure to purchase CDRs in the future - and possibly even re-burn some of my CD-RW collections onto them. And try experimenting with slower burning speeds. Who cares if you can write the disk at 56x if nobody can read it? Are CD-Rs still available? Dumb question, but I had to ask! Yes, they are available as always. I use Taiyo-Yuden CDR and DVDR discs *exclusively*. They cost a few pennies more (literally) but they are MUCH more reliable and they eliminate the whole disc quality issue when debugging problems. |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote ...
Sorry for the fragmented questions, RC, but here's another: If the pits are of low contrast(ie shallow) will this affect audio fidelity of a disc the player is reading, vs. a disc with deep burns? No. It is digital. It either works or it doesn't. Same answer for using expensive botique snake-oil cables. |
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On Aug 6, 9:55*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
No. It is digital. It either works or it doesn't. *Same answer for using expensive botique snake-oil cables. ________________________________ LOL!!!!!!!!! Thanks a million Rich - very informative. I will switch to CD-R and will probably end up having to re-burn ALL 30-40 of them. Come to think of it though, storing music on anything that SPINS is kind of Edisonian, wouldn't you say? I'll probably just wait until I make a decision on a decent MP3 player and dispense with the discs altogether. Now THAT's something with a future... -CC |
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WPL or M3U - Which playlist is appropriate?
On Aug 7, 3:23 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Aug 6, 9:55 pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote: No. It is digital. It either works or it doesn't. Same answer for using expensive botique snake-oil cables. ________________________________ LOL!!!!!!!!! Thanks a million Rich - very informative. I will switch to CD-R and will probably end up having to re-burn ALL 30-40 of them. Come to think of it though, storing music on anything that SPINS is kind of Edisonian, wouldn't you say? I'll probably just wait until I make a decision on a decent MP3 player and dispense with the discs altogether. Now THAT's something with a future... -CC You mean I-Pod? |
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On Aug 8, 4:58*am, Industrial One wrote:
On Aug 7, 3:23 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: On Aug 6, 9:55 pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote: No. It is digital. It either works or it doesn't. *Same answer for using expensive botique snake-oil cables. ________________________________ LOL!!!!!!!!! Thanks a million Rich - very informative. I will switch to CD-R and will probably end up having to re-burn ALL 30-40 of them. *Come to think of it though, storing music on anything that SPINS is kind of Edisonian, wouldn't you say? * I'll probably just wait until I make a decision on a decent MP3 player and dispense with the discs altogether. *Now THAT's something with a future... -CC You mean I-Pod?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - __________________ That'll be fine, I-One! You know I don't want I-pod because it can "fill up" at only "some" "gas stations". -CC |
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On Aug 8, 4:32 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Aug 8, 4:58 am, Industrial One wrote: On Aug 7, 3:23 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: On Aug 6, 9:55 pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote: No. It is digital. It either works or it doesn't. Same answer for using expensive botique snake-oil cables. ________________________________ LOL!!!!!!!!! Thanks a million Rich - very informative. I will switch to CD-R and will probably end up having to re-burn ALL 30-40 of them. Come to think of it though, storing music on anything that SPINS is kind of Edisonian, wouldn't you say? I'll probably just wait until I make a decision on a decent MP3 player and dispense with the discs altogether. Now THAT's something with a future... -CC You mean I-Pod?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - __________________ That'll be fine, I-One! You know I don't want I-pod because it can "fill up" at only "some" "gas stations". -CC Meaning...? |
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On Aug 8, 6:40*pm, Industrial One wrote:
That'll be fine, I-One! * *You know I don't want I-pod because it can "fill up" at only "some" "gas stations". -CC Meaning...?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ________________ The I-Pod family of players MUST be administered through I-tunes, and only on the computer they were hooked up to during installation of I- tunes. That is, if Industrial One tries to download and categorize and otherwise manage songs through ChrisCoaster's I-tunes on his computer, or vice versa, it won't work. Most other MP3 players don't care what computer they are hooked up to or what service administers the songs to be placed on them. -CC |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote...
The I-Pod family of players MUST be administered through I-tunes, and only on the computer they were hooked up to during installation of I- tunes. No, that is simply not true. There are lots of 3rd party apps that let you manage iPod contents without ever touching iTunes or anything else that smells of fruit. I have an iPod and have configured about a dozen other iPods for friends. Some of them even using iTunes. The "locked-in" theory is simply not true. It is part of the FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) propaganda spread by Apple. |
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On Aug 9, 1:52*am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" wrote... The I-Pod family of players MUST be administered through I-tunes, and only on the computer they were hooked up to during installation of I- tunes. No, that is simply not true. There are lots of 3rd party apps that let you manage iPod contents without ever touching iTunes or anything else that smells of fruit. I have an iPod and have configured about a dozen other iPods for friends. Some of them even using iTunes. *The "locked-in" theory is simply not true. *It is part of the FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) propaganda spread by Apple. ______________________ Why would I say what I did without trying?? My boss and I had PCs across from each other in the office. He did the installation for the company I-Pod on his PC, along with I-tunes. I later downloaded and installed I-tunes to my computer and attempted to add some songs to the I-Pod through my machine's installation of I- tunes. It said either the I-pod didn't recognize my I-Tunes or the I- tunes didn't recognize the I-pod, so I had to e-mail the mp3 song files to my boss's computer and he put them on the I-pod from there. I got up this morning and actually saw the sun rise. It HAPPENED - just as what did with the above I-pod. I have no patience for that kind of nonsense I described and just want to download and go! But none of this is here nor there - my point is CDs(with all their mechanical & optical variables, and pathetic amount of space) are OUT - and mp3 players, whether Zunes, I-Pods, Sansa Views, or whatever, are IN. -CC |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote ...
Why would I say what I did without trying?? OK. Lets take it one statement at a time... You said "The I-Pod family of players MUST be administered through I-tunes." That statement is not true. There are MANY 3rd party apps which will allow you to upload (and even DOWNLOAD) content (music, video, audiobook, pictures, etc.) on you iPod or iPhone or iWhatever. I have used several of them myself. You said "and only on the computer they were hooked up to during installation of I-tunes." That is not true either. Even iTunes will manage content on any number of eifferent iPods, not just those installed from the computer at hand. You must be very firm with it and NOT let it do automatically most of the things it is hard-wired to do. Remember that it was made for Mac users who mostly don't know anything about computers and rely on Steve Jobs to hold their hands and do it for them. My boss and I had PCs across from each other in the office. He did the installation for the company I-Pod on his PC, along with I-tunes. I later downloaded and installed I-tunes to my computer and attempted to add some songs to the I-Pod through my machine's installation of I- tunes. It said either the I-pod didn't recognize my I-Tunes or the I- tunes didn't recognize the I-pod, so I had to e-mail the mp3 song files to my boss's computer and he put them on the I-pod from there. If you want to say that iTunes is difficult or even "user vicious" then I would agree with you. There ARE ways to use iTunes to do what you were trying to do, but it is not obvious how to do it from just casual observation. Many of us think this is by design from the Apple people And it is one of the reasons there are alternatives to iTunes out there. DRM is annother reason. I purchase non-DRM downloads exclusively. I've simply chosen to not play the DRM game at all. I got up this morning and actually saw the sun rise. It HAPPENED - just as what did with the above I-pod. I have no patience for that kind of nonsense I described and just want to download and go! Yes, I agree that iTunes is obscure, obtuse, and user-vicious. I have seen iTunes completely wipe out the contents of an iPod because it wasn't set up properly (where "properly" means getting some rather obscure setting right.) More good reasons people avoid iTUnes. But none of this is here nor there - my point is CDs(with all their mechanical & optical variables, and pathetic amount of space) are OUT- and mp3 players, whether Zunes, I-Pods, Sansa Views, or whatever, are IN. Yes, absolutely. And I chose to buy an iPod (rather than one of the others) despite the fact that it was from Apple, and had the load of iTunes baggage, etc. etc. I bought it for its features, its form-factor, and its user interface. None of the alternatives are in the same league, IMHO. |
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On Aug 8, 7:38 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Aug 8, 6:40 pm, Industrial One wrote: That'll be fine, I-One! You know I don't want I-pod because it can "fill up" at only "some" "gas stations". -CC Meaning...?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ________________ The I-Pod family of players MUST be administered through I-tunes, and only on the computer they were hooked up to during installation of I- tunes. That is, if Industrial One tries to download and categorize and otherwise manage songs through ChrisCoaster's I-tunes on his computer, or vice versa, it won't work. Most other MP3 players don't care what computer they are hooked up to or what service administers the songs to be placed on them. -CC You're the first I hear to bitch about I-Pods being strictly constrained by I-tunes software. As others have stated in the thread, you can attain 3rd party apps. If you wanna avoid I-Pods, use a cellphone instead. They got less capacity, but it shouldn't be a problem if it can play MP4s (unlike MP3 players) which give you the same quality at half the bitrate, or even a lower bitrate where artifacts are noticeable, but not annoying. All you need is a USB port and you can manage your songs in explorer and can do the same on the explorer provided on your cell phone's OS. |
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On Aug 9, 3:14*pm, Industrial One wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:38 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: On Aug 8, 6:40 pm, Industrial One wrote: That'll be fine, I-One! * *You know I don't want I-pod because it can "fill up" at only "some" "gas stations". -CC Meaning...?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ________________ The I-Pod family of players MUST be administered through I-tunes, and only on the computer they were hooked up to during installation of I- tunes. *That is, if Industrial One tries to download and categorize and otherwise manage songs through ChrisCoaster's I-tunes on his computer, or vice versa, it won't work. Most other MP3 players don't care what computer they are hooked up to or what service administers the songs to be placed on them. -CC You're the first I hear to bitch about I-Pods being strictly constrained by I-tunes software. As others have stated in the thread, you can attain 3rd party apps. If you wanna avoid I-Pods, use a cellphone instead. They got less capacity, but it shouldn't be a problem if it can play MP4s (unlike MP3 players) which give you the same quality at half the bitrate, or even a lower bitrate where artifacts are noticeable, but not annoying. All you need is a USB port and you can manage your songs in explorer and can do the same on the explorer provided on your cell phone's OS.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ____________________ Let's be clear about each other here - I-One: Until June of 2007 I was still recording to CASSETTES - okay? Then I found out how easy it is to combine 20 of your favorite "heart- songs" on one CD. But when it comes to all this mp-this and mp-that, I'm as clueless as ole' Howdy-Doody there on 1600 Penn Ave! I just want a mp3 player that when you USB it to the PC, it opens a folder where you can see the device's contents. Then, you open another window and navigate to your music folder, and just DRAG & DROP files from the music folder to the device folder - SIMPLE, ehh? I don't need fancy colorful lah-di-dah(wagging my wrist) interfaces and more programs clogging up my hard-drive to manage my content. I'm just like a US Postoffice clerk, grab a freakin' handful o' mail out of one bucket and throw it in another. DONE! As far as the I-family, I have nothing bad to say about their interface or durability. I do hope the flash-mp3 manufacturers learn something from Apple and up their quality even a little. But that's just me - I'm a FLASH n' GO beat-droppin' sonofaBITCH! =D -CC |
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On Aug 10, 6:22 am, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Aug 9, 3:14 pm, Industrial One wrote: On Aug 8, 7:38 pm, ChrisCoaster wrote: On Aug 8, 6:40 pm, Industrial One wrote: That'll be fine, I-One! You know I don't want I-pod because it can "fill up" at only "some" "gas stations". -CC Meaning...?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ________________ The I-Pod family of players MUST be administered through I-tunes, and only on the computer they were hooked up to during installation of I- tunes. That is, if Industrial One tries to download and categorize and otherwise manage songs through ChrisCoaster's I-tunes on his computer, or vice versa, it won't work. Most other MP3 players don't care what computer they are hooked up to or what service administers the songs to be placed on them. -CC You're the first I hear to bitch about I-Pods being strictly constrained by I-tunes software. As others have stated in the thread, you can attain 3rd party apps. If you wanna avoid I-Pods, use a cellphone instead. They got less capacity, but it shouldn't be a problem if it can play MP4s (unlike MP3 players) which give you the same quality at half the bitrate, or even a lower bitrate where artifacts are noticeable, but not annoying. All you need is a USB port and you can manage your songs in explorer and can do the same on the explorer provided on your cell phone's OS.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ____________________ Let's be clear about each other here - I-One: Until June of 2007 I was still recording to CASSETTES - okay? Wow... Then I found out how easy it is to combine 20 of your favorite "heart- songs" on one CD. But when it comes to all this mp-this and mp-that, I'm as clueless as ole' Howdy-Doody there on 1600 Penn Ave! I just want a mp3 player that when you USB it to the PC, it opens a folder where you can see the device's contents. Then, you open another window and navigate to your music folder, and just DRAG & DROP files from the music folder to the device folder - SIMPLE, ehh? MP3: outdated format (but popular) MP4: new format They are a way of compressing audio by removing a large portion that is inaudible to human ears. MP3 is old (1991) so high-quality can be achieved at really high bitrates like 192. 224 for MP2 since it's older and less efficient. MP3 does not employ the SBR technique like MP4 that takes advantage of how human ears linearly perceive varying harmonics/chords and compresses the song to half the bitrate while retaining the same quality. Meaning, you can fit twice as more music on whatever player you're using. And yes, most Cell phones connect via USB, opens a window with your phone's root directory, you browse to 'Music' and that's where you can drag n drop your .MP3s/.MP4s in. I don't need fancy colorful lah-di-dah(wagging my wrist) interfaces and more programs clogging up my hard-drive to manage my content. I'm just like a US Postoffice clerk, grab a freakin' handful o' mail out of one bucket and throw it in another. DONE! Nor do I. An MP4 encoder is only like 500 KB, an MP4 splitter about 250, a player (I use WinAMP, which is about 15 megs but older versions with the same interface are like 800.) If you talkin about your cell phone's HD space, then you need nothing except your music. Everything is pre-installed. Now do you unnerstan? |
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WPL or M3U - Which playlist is appropriate?
On Aug 10, 12:01*pm, Industrial One
wrote: Nor do I. An MP4 encoder is only like 500 KB, an MP4 splitter about 250, a player (I use WinAMP, which is about 15 megs but older versions with the same interface are like 800.) If you talkin about your cell phone's HD space, then you need nothing except your music. Everything is pre-installed. Now do you unnerstan?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - _____________________ I'm also a very pragmatic, routine-dependent individual with well- established(read: antiquated) habits. I use an iron to press my shirts, a vacuum cleaner to clean my carpets, a digital camera to take pictures, a CD or cassette player to play music, a TV to watch the news/sports, and a phone to talk to other people. I still mail in a check to pay my bills, fry my bacon in a pan as opposed to microwaving it, and 70% of the music I listen still comes from the radio. This mp4 thing sounds very promising, and can't wait until actual players come out that handle the new codec. But for now, a good flash- memory mp3 player of about 4-8gig is all I need. By the way Indy, who won the last 30 world series?? - I'm a little behind on things. -CC |
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On Aug 6, 9:53*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" *wrote ... Answer to your ?? - CDRW. I would switch to CDR instantly. I should have mentioned it - but the old stereo is having this trouble MAINLY with the first 3 - 6 tracks of the CDs I've burned at home. In addition, the older boombox is *starting* to have trouble reading some of the ones I recorded at work(I recorded them over a year ago at a job I'm no longer at, so they are probably starting to deteriorate). Indeed, I have an old old Sony CD player with gummed-up lubrication on the "sled" so that it will play only the inner part of the disc. *Requires cleaning and re-lubrication. But you could probably buy a new player (or two) for what it would cost to get repaired. Not to mention, but I'm putting over 75 minutes of music on a format that holds 79 min & change. I do that with some regularity. It should NOT affect the readability. Except that some older players don't like the 80-minute blanks. Because they have a finer pitch which was not anticipated in those old 1-2 generation of players. *I know that CDs are read from the spindle out to the edge(opposite of records), but I have to wonder, is the read arm of this player simply not capable of "reaching" the tracks toward the inside of the CD with that much burned to it? If the contrast is an issue, I will be sure to purchase CDRs in the future - and possibly even re-burn some of my CD-RW collections onto them. And try experimenting with slower burning speeds. Who cares if you can write the disk at 56x if nobody can read it? Are CD-Rs still available? *Dumb question, but I had to ask! Yes, they are available as always. I use Taiyo-Yuden CDR and DVDR discs *exclusively*. They cost a few pennies more (literally) but they are MUCH more reliable and they eliminate the whole disc quality issue when debugging problems. ___________________________ UPDATE: Bought some Memorex CD-Rs and the situation is WORSE!! The 12year old Kenwood bookshelf and the 11year old boombox will not play them at ALL! The Kenwood still plays the CD-RWs I made over a year ago at my old job and the boombox is starting to have issues with some of those(deterioration). But this new CD-R thing is a DISASTER. Richard, I appreciate all your help & putting up with me, but I'm through with burning the CDs and will use an MP3 player wherever I need music. Nothing can touch a CD bought in a STORE, and that's it. -CC |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote ...
UPDATE: Bought some Memorex CD-Rs and the situation is WORSE!! You've jumped out of the frying pan and directly into the fire! "Memorex" is another OEM-du-jour label that gets slapped on any old brand of discs, almost none of which are known to be 1st class (and only a couple are 2nd class). With "Memorex" you may have only a 10% chance of getting a good brand of discs. That is ****-poor odds in my book. I wouldn't use "Memorex" if they were free. Just not worth the aggravation. Use Taiyo-Yuden from a reliable vendor. You can NOT buy good CDR or DVDR blanks at local shops anymore. Refer to this page to see which brands are which..... http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm |
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On Aug 18, 5:50*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" *wrote ... UPDATE: Bought some Memorex CD-Rs and the situation is WORSE!! You've jumped out of the frying pan and directly into the fire! *"Memorex" is another OEM-du-jour label that gets slapped on any old brand of discs, almost none of which are known to be 1st class (and only a couple are 2nd class). With "Memorex" you may have only a 10% chance of getting a good brand of discs. That is ****-poor odds in my book. I wouldn't use "Memorex" if they were free. *Just not worth the aggravation. Use Taiyo-Yuden from a reliable vendor. You can NOT buy good CDR or DVDR blanks at local shops anymore. Refer to this page to see which brands are which.....http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm _____________________________ I also did follow the recommendations on here to lower my burning speed. The irony is that the discs that DO play on all our hardware were made last year at work on the Imation brand of CD-RW(another brand "nobody seems to have heard of" and many trash incessantly.) It is just in the last month that we started having trouble with them on the older hardware. Richard I'd be more willing to blame the CD/DVD burner in my new HP Pavillion Tower before blaming my wife's Kenwood, my JVC boombox from 1997, or the brands of discs I mentioned. I'll be contacting HP this week. I'm betting on a misaligned burner lens or some other error- inducing factor. -CC |
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On Aug 18, 5:50*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" *wrote ... UPDATE: Bought some Memorex CD-Rs and the situation is WORSE!! You've jumped out of the frying pan and directly into the fire! *"Memorex" is another OEM-du-jour label that gets slapped on any old brand of discs, almost none of which are known to be 1st class (and only a couple are 2nd class). With "Memorex" you may have only a 10% chance of getting a good brand of discs. That is ****-poor odds in my book. I wouldn't use "Memorex" if they were free. *Just not worth the aggravation. Use Taiyo-Yuden from a reliable vendor. You can NOT buy good CDR or DVDR blanks at local shops anymore. Refer to this page to see which brands are which.....http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm ______________________ Also ironic: In the Branding Guide table toward the bottom of that page, it turns out that Sony and Taiyo-Yuden are one and the same. The most recend CD-RWs I used(last month) were SONYS!! The problem is my hardware/OS, Rich, not the brands of blank media. -CC |
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On Aug 18, 5:50*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" *wrote ... UPDATE: Bought some Memorex CD-Rs and the situation is WORSE!! You've jumped out of the frying pan and directly into the fire! *"Memorex" is another OEM-du-jour label that gets slapped on any old brand of discs, almost none of which are known to be 1st class (and only a couple are 2nd class). With "Memorex" you may have only a 10% chance of getting a good brand of discs. That is ****-poor odds in my book. I wouldn't use "Memorex" if they were free. *Just not worth the aggravation. Use Taiyo-Yuden from a reliable vendor. You can NOT buy good CDR or DVDR blanks at local shops anymore. Refer to this page to see which brands are which.....http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm ________________ More BS: I lowered burn rate to "Medium" and now even my brand new Sony "X-Plod" boombox http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/produ...&om_keycode=93 won't play the discs. This is totally IRAQ! -CC |
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On Aug 18, 9:05*pm, ChrisCoaster wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:50*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote: "ChrisCoaster" *wrote ... UPDATE: Bought some Memorex CD-Rs and the situation is WORSE!! You've jumped out of the frying pan and directly into the fire! *"Memorex" is another OEM-du-jour label that gets slapped on any old brand of discs, almost none of which are known to be 1st class (and only a couple are 2nd class). With "Memorex" you may have only a 10% chance of getting a good brand of discs. That is ****-poor odds in my book. I wouldn't use "Memorex" if they were free. *Just not worth the aggravation. Use Taiyo-Yuden from a reliable vendor. You can NOT buy good CDR or DVDR blanks at local shops anymore. Refer to this page to see which brands are which.....http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm ________________ More BS: *I lowered burn rate to "Medium" and now even my brand new Sony "X-Plod" boombox *http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/produ...&om_keycode=93 won't play the discs. *This is totally IRAQ! -CC- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - _____________________ Set burn rate back to "Fastest", the X-Plod now reads fine, Kenwood and JVC struggle with first 4-5 tracks but read others as usual. hmmm. |
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"ChrisCoaster" wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote: Refer to this page to see which brands are which..... http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm Also ironic: In the Branding Guide table toward the bottom of that page, it turns out that Sony and Taiyo-Yuden are one and the same. No. It says that disks labeled "Sony" *might be* Taiyo-Yuden, or they could be Sony or Ricoh or maybe even Mitsubishi. That's the thing with most of those brands, you never really know what you're getting. As Dirty Harry said: "Do you feel lucky?" I don't. I buy T-Y because... 1) They make all their own discs. They don't OEM from anyone else. 2) They have the highest quality and reputation. 3) They cost literally a few cents more than the questionable brands, but those few cents are worth eliminating the aggravation factor. Remember that because T-Y has such a good reputation, there are people out there selling counterfeit T-Y discs, so buy only from a reputable, official source, and study the information about how to identify counterfeit discs. |
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On Aug 18, 9:50*pm, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
"ChrisCoaster" *wrote ... "Richard Crowley" *wrote: Refer to this page to see which brands are which..... http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm Also ironic: In the Branding Guide table toward the bottom of that page, it turns out that Sony and Taiyo-Yuden are one and the same. No. It says that disks labeled "Sony" *might be* Taiyo-Yuden, or they could be Sony or Ricoh or maybe even Mitsubishi. That's the thing with most of those brands, you never really know what you're getting. *As Dirty Harry said: "Do you feel lucky?" I don't. I buy T-Y because... 1) They make all their own discs. They don't OEM from anyone else. 2) They have the highest quality and reputation. 3) They cost literally a few cents more than the questionable brands, but those few cents are worth eliminating the aggravation factor. Remember that because T-Y has such a good reputation, there are people out there selling counterfeit T-Y discs, so buy only from a reputable, official source, and study the information about how to identify counterfeit discs. _______________________ Well, it's a moot point. I've seen 2018, and boomboxes have USB-ports and cradles for mp3-players. FM & AM are still around, but the signal chain up to the tx is totally digital. No longer are records, tapes, OR CDs spun to play music. 1/8" mini line-in jacks still exist on boomboxes and on car stereos, and car stereos also have USB-ports and minimum 500gB harddrives. The only cars in 2018 that still have cd or cassette decks are at doo-wopp car meets! Nobody buys software on a CD or DVD anymore - it's downloaded at 100x current cable internet speeds and backups are made on 100gb thumbdrives the size of a pencil eraser. I've moved on from CD burning, and am evaluating mp3 players. It's(been) the way to go!(for the last 6 years!!) I refuse to waste my money, time, & not to mention, NERVES, on something which for certain will be obsolete in less than 10 years. -CC |
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