need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD

location is going to be a football field


i have :
yamaha 01v96
emu 1616m
4 stands

mics

oktava Mk219 MSP

oktava 220 MSP

1 oktava MK102
1 oktava mk 101
1 oktava mk 105


do You have any suggestions on mic placement, etc?
and what mics i shuld use ?

thanx in advance

emil

Emil wrote:

need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD

I will assume they may need or want to march, but do you also need them
actually moving?

location is going to be a football field

Outdoor recordings may sound somewhat lame and bloodless and come with
extras. Birds and a bit of children noise is likely to be non-offensive,
but the other sonic objects can be "re-recorders" - do you actually need
the background roar from the thruway, the helicopter, the high altitude
jet, the city bus, the lorry, the church bells and the guy on the
megaphone equipped Harley?

i have :
yamaha 01v96
emu 1616m
4 stands


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You only need one stand, a L one. Manfrotto 053 or similar may do,
required mic height over ensemble floor (this matters if they are on a
stage!) is likely to be in the 3 meter range. A good first guess is to
have the stand some 3 meters from the front row of the ensemble.

If you need the movement effect, then let them march into position while
playing their theme song and end with marching out while playing their
theme song, applies for outdoors as well as indoors recording.

mics

oktava Mk219 MSP

oktava 220 MSP

1 oktava MK102
1 oktava mk 101
1 oktava mk 105

do You have any suggestions on mic placement, etc?
and what mics i shuld use ?

Outdoors: the pair with least wind sensitivity.

Indoors: the pair with cleanest treble, not most treble, cleanest
treble.

It is generally easiest to get a near coincident pair of cardioids right
for a newbie to the world of real stereo recording.

thanx in advance

emil

/Peter Larsen

Emil wrote:
need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD

As an old drum corps guy and sometimes outdoor recordist... Wind may
be a problem with the condensor mics, so have dynamics with windscreens
handy. I would want to use a pair of EV re50's (for their windscreens)
placed in a spaced omni position starting about 10 feet in front and
moving in or out to get the right ambience.

Emil wrote:
need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD

location is going to be a football field

do You have any suggestions on mic placement, etc?
and what mics i shuld use ?

Put them in a half-circle and set up a pair of small diaphragm condensers.
Those 012s will do well enough.

You may find they sound better in front of a wall than in the middle of
the stadium.

You WILL have slapback. Your main job is to try and reduce it. Walk
around the area clapping your hands and find a place where it's not so
offensive.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I record numerous drumcorps field shows each year for Drum Corps International.
If you have any questions, feel free to email me.

Scott

Emil wrote:
: need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD

: location is going to be a football field


: i have :
: yamaha 01v96
: emu 1616m
: 4 stands

: mics

: oktava Mk219 MSP

: oktava 220 MSP

: 1 oktava MK102
: 1 oktava mk 101
: 1 oktava mk 105


: do You have any suggestions on mic placement, etc?
: and what mics i shuld use ?

: thanx in advance

: emil

Put them in a half-circle and set up a pair of small diaphragm condensers.
Those 012s will do well enough.

-will pot them in a half circle- i think this is good idea
-also i am not shure about a distance bethven drumers and mics ??----

You may find they sound better in front of a wall than in the middle of
the stadium.

-i am not shure if i will have wall there-
if i remember football field is going to be on the top of the hill - middle
of nowhere
-and no walls around - but Yes there will provide electricity ?


You WILL have slapback. Your main job is to try and reduce it. Walk
around the area clapping your hands and find a place where it's not so
offensive.

-You mean slap echo from the wall or? not shure

thanx for sugestions

emil



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Emil wrote:
need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD

location is going to be a football field

do You have any suggestions on mic placement, etc?
and what mics i shuld use ?

Put them in a half-circle and set up a pair of small diaphragm condensers.
Those 012s will do well enough.

You may find they sound better in front of a wall than in the middle of
the stadium.

You WILL have slapback. Your main job is to try and reduce it. Walk
around the area clapping your hands and find a place where it's not so
offensive.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article , emil wrote:
Put them in a half-circle and set up a pair of small diaphragm condensers.
Those 012s will do well enough.

-will pot them in a half circle- i think this is good idea
-also i am not shure about a distance bethven drumers and mics ??----

Close enough that they sound right, not so far away that you hear the
slapback from the walls too much. Put a finger in one ear and walk
around listening with the other.

You may find they sound better in front of a wall than in the middle of
the stadium.

-i am not shure if i will have wall there-
if i remember football field is going to be on the top of the hill - middle
of nowhere
-and no walls around - but Yes there will provide electricity ?

Well, you take what you can get.

You WILL have slapback. Your main job is to try and reduce it. Walk
around the area clapping your hands and find a place where it's not so
offensive.

-You mean slap echo from the wall or? not shure

Slap echo from buildings down the street.... slap echo from cars in the
parking lot. A really good place would be a tree-lined area with
one nearby building, but you take what you can get.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Emil wrote:
need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD
location is going to be a football field

Will the band be marching when you're recording, or is it a band that
marches, but will stay still while you record them? If you can get them
into position and put them in a place where they're not firing into a
brick wall, you can do a better job than if you had to walk backwards
ahead of them carrying a microphone and a recorder.

Since you described your setup with several microphones and a mixer, I
assume the band will be stationary.

I had fun & got good results recording a colonial fife & Drum marching
band indoors. 3 separate rooms at same time. check
http://www.hilltopstudios.com/Sounds.htm / tunes /colonial musketeers

Kevin T


Mike Rivers wrote:
Emil wrote:
need to record a marching band (12 drumers)for a demo CD
location is going to be a football field

Will the band be marching when you're recording, or is it a band that
marches, but will stay still while you record them? If you can get them
into position and put them in a place where they're not firing into a
brick wall, you can do a better job than if you had to walk backwards
ahead of them carrying a microphone and a recorder.

Since you described your setup with several microphones and a mixer, I
assume the band will be stationary.

-You mean slap echo from the wall or? not shure

Slap echo from buildings down the street.... slap echo from cars in the
parking lot. A really good place would be a tree-lined area with
one nearby building, but you take what you can get.

My kid is the lead snare in the HS drumline, and that slapback of a
coordinated whack on a snare can come from a building 200 yards away.
It's amazing, but true.

Some snares use directors on the bottom head to reflect the sound
forward instead of into the ground. Might be something to play with if
they're too loud.

-John O