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I heard that you can virtually change the volume (increase it???) by putting
things like foam into the box. Please give me info on this. Thanks for all your help. |
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You get a "warmer" feel to your bass by putting in wadding, but it actually
decreases the "volume" as you put it... "pil" wrote in message ... I heard that you can virtually change the volume (increase it???) by putting things like foam into the box. Please give me info on this. Thanks for all your help. |
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Polyfil (pillow stuffing) from Walmart or a craft store will make th
box act like it's a little bigger - Jimi7 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/showthr...threadid=17768 |
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pil wrote:
I heard that you can virtually change the volume (increase it???) by putting things like foam into the box. Please give me info on this. You can't increase the volume of a box by putting things into it which displaces volume. There is a theory that polyfill virtually increases the volume of a box, but any such increase is incredibly small. If it were that easy, we'd just make really small boxes and pack them with polyfill or foam. -- thelizman teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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Oliver wrote:
You get a "warmer" feel to your bass by putting in wadding, but it actually decreases the "volume" as you put it... How the hell do you make SOUND FEEL WARMER? What's next? Ice cream which tastes like the color quiet? Show me some response curves which show a "warmer" sound - or even a significant alteration in the frequency response of a sub-enclosure combination before and after its stuffed. Go on...I'll wait here. -- thelizman teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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Can?
When and in what instance..?? I thought you once said IT WILL...??? Now your not so possitive about it... ha ha ha Nousaine wrote: Actually it is true that fiberous stuffing can make an enclosure work at low frequencies like it's approximately 25% larger in Thiele/Small small signal analysis. |
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Eddie Runner wrote:
Can? When and in what instance..?? I thought you once said IT WILL...??? Now your not so possitive about it... ha ha ha Didn't he also used to say it as 15%? Now it's 25%? Good thing I've got my boots on. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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he plagerized all that stuff from JAES papers anyway....
ha ha ha Like he actually tested this stuff.... (i have!) thelizman wrote: Eddie Runner wrote: Can? When and in what instance..?? I thought you once said IT WILL...??? Now your not so possitive about it... ha ha ha Didn't he also used to say it as 15%? Now it's 25%? Good thing I've got my boots on. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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I dont see YOUR evidence..!!
I just see words, you coulda read this stuff off the wall in the mens room at the bus station for all I know... Last time Tom, I was the one that produced all the photos and web pages filled with computer plots.... This time I wanna see yours before I show you mine... I think your too lazy to actually produce anything... Eddie Runner Nousaine wrote: Actually I've done the experiments. In some cases the Fsb of a system was reduced by as much as a 35% larger enclosure would have produced. However, because that much stuffing (1.5-lbs per ft3) may have provided some added moving mass to the driver it seems more rational to suggest 25% as a reasonable rule-of-thumb. What evidence do you bring to the table? |
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Nousaine wrote:
One last time Eddie. Your website claims that standing wave elimination (2 waves traveling in opposite directions) increases bass in the car when the trunk is opened. Yet your 'cartoon' shows waves traveling in the same direction; both out the back of the car. So how does that support your hypotheses? Tom, you can whine about my web pages all you want to, I aint gonna remove them or change them untill you prove to me with your own theories or plots or what have you, that they are incorrect... Your words are bull****... In fact, just like above, your words are usually questions for me to answer, not FACTS provided by you of the contrary... I spent so much time answering you in our other big thread about this that I got tired of repeating myself and put my tests and plots on a web page for all to see... ya wanna ask me more questions about why this or how that, you can go there and read it for yourself... http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming2.html now, untill you put up some evidence your just another mouth fulla bull****..... Put up or shut up... And I mean on this thread or the old thread whichever pleases you... Hell Tom, you have never put up one iota of evidence or testing ever! I believe my dog when he speaks more then I believe you! Words are meaningless unless you can back em up... Eddie Runner |
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another question from TOM
Still no evidence from TOM Tom to answer your questions http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming2.html Nousaine wrote: Hell Tom, you have never put up one iota of evidence or testing ever! I believe my dog when he speaks more then I believe you! Words are meaningless unless you can back em up... Eddie Runner So Eddie; exactly how do your cartoons explain how the standing wave (expounded by you at length) phenomenon you postulate explain how waves traveling in the same direction; cancel? |
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Nousaine wrote:
So Eddie snip You two ladies want to get a room? -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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Nousaine wrote:
What evidence do you bring to the table? Eddie Runner. And his cartoons. Funny, you've never provided anything resembling "evidence". You've offered anectdote and plattitudes. Kindly move along now. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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I believe my dog when he speaks more then I believe you!
WTF?? The Texas heat has finally put Eddie over the edge... |
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My dog tells me when a stranger comes up the driveway.
My dog tells me when she wants to go outside. My dog tells me when she is hungry. My dog tells me when she wants to go for a ride in the truck. My dog tell me alot of things. So far Tom Noisaine hasnt said ANYTHING!! I would rather talk to my dog...!! BTW it aint that hot down here now... MZ wrote: I believe my dog when he speaks more then I believe you! WTF?? The Texas heat has finally put Eddie over the edge... |
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Nousaine wrote:
So Eddie; exactly how do your cartoons explain how the standing wave (expounded by you at length) phenomenon you postulate explain how waves traveling in the same direction; cancel? how many times are you gonna do the 'inane question' thing? how many variations on 'how does the speaker know' did we suffer through in the threads about box placement? couldn't you find a new ridiculous argument tactic? if you don't like eddie's cartoon, tell him how to improve it... it's obvious to me (and i believe most other folks) that you can't draw every wave headed in every direction and illustrate all the ways in which they interact in a two dimensional graphic (perhaps you can... i'd love to see it instead of listening to you ask the same stupid question a bajillion times)... -- sancho this post was intended for usenet, if you are reading this post on a webforum it is because someone has STOLEN it to use as content to draw traffic to his site... please acquire a proper newsreader if you want to access rec.audio.car and rethink your patronage of said site... |
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Eddie Runner wrote:
another question from TOM Still no evidence from TOM Tom to answer your questions http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming2.html Nousaine wrote: Hell Tom, you have never put up one iota of evidence or testing ever! I believe my dog when he speaks more then I believe you! Words are meaningless unless you can back em up... Eddie Runner So Eddie; exactly how do your cartoons explain how the standing wave (expounded by you at length) phenomenon you postulate explain how waves traveling in the same direction; cancel? Why not answer the question Eddie? A standing wave requires 2 waves traveling in opposite directions. Does it not? So then tell me exactly how the waves in your diagram which are traveling in the same direction manage to to constitute a standing wave? |
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Nousaine wrote:
Why not answer the question Eddie? my papers DO answer the question.... A standing wave requires 2 waves traveling in opposite directions. Does it not? No, a standing wave can reinforce or cancel when ANY TWO (or more) waves meet in a way that causes a standing node or antinode... Your understanding of accousticcs is limited to the elementary level Tom... So then tell me exactly how the waves in your diagram which are traveling in the same direction manage to to constitute a standing wave? Its all in the paper! Where is your evedence to the contrary Tom..?? Opps gotta run, by dog is barking! Eddie Runner |
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Nousaine wrote:
Why not answer the question Eddie? snip He answered this question a million times already. The outcome of the argument is not going to change just because you've dropped it until everyone forgets the specifics of the argument. It doesn't matter anyway - everyone will remember that you have provided no evidence, no facts, and no proofs. You have offered only anectdotes and plattitudes. Please. Stop. You've blown your credibility already. At least let the subject die with a degree of dignity. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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ha ha
yeah, and we were talking about pollyfill this time and he knows he is wrong on that account so he goes back to the arguement from a few months ago trying to reclaim some of his lost credibility... ha ha ha Title of this message makes me laugh! keep up the good work... thelizman wrote: Nousaine wrote: Why not answer the question Eddie? snip He answered this question a million times already. The outcome of the argument is not going to change just because you've dropped it until everyone forgets the specifics of the argument. It doesn't matter anyway - everyone will remember that you have provided no evidence, no facts, and no proofs. You have offered only anectdotes and plattitudes. Please. Stop. You've blown your credibility already. At least let the subject die with a degree of dignity. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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my theory is that it helps stop the echo effects within a box, maybe this
echo is canceling the low end theory???? maybe the polly helps increase the lowend response by "deading" the internals of the box??? I only say this because, one time, at subwoofer camp, I stuck a 12" sub up...... no, really... take an empty box, stick your head in it and talk... it'll echo, reverb......now put some Polly Phil on the walls of the box. stick your head in and talk, dead, ain't it (i.g. no echo)..... fhlh.......I did all this testing in a vette... so treat it as fact. mmmmk, thanks teamrocs "thelizman" wrote in message ... pil wrote: I heard that you can virtually change the volume (increase it???) by putting things like foam into the box. Please give me info on this. You can't increase the volume of a box by putting things into it which displaces volume. There is a theory that polyfill virtually increases the volume of a box, but any such increase is incredibly small. If it were that easy, we'd just make really small boxes and pack them with polyfill or foam. -- thelizman teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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can we get back to pollyfillmyass?
fhlh teamrocs "Nousaine" wrote in message ... Eddie Runner wrote: another question from TOM Still no evidence from TOM Tom to answer your questions http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming2.html Nousaine wrote: Hell Tom, you have never put up one iota of evidence or testing ever! I believe my dog when he speaks more then I believe you! Words are meaningless unless you can back em up... Eddie Runner So Eddie; exactly how do your cartoons explain how the standing wave (expounded by you at length) phenomenon you postulate explain how waves traveling in the same direction; cancel? Why not answer the question Eddie? A standing wave requires 2 waves traveling in opposite directions. Does it not? So then tell me exactly how the waves in your diagram which are traveling in the same direction manage to to constitute a standing wave? |
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I like cartoons....
-- fhlh..... this post was intended for usenet, if you are reading this post on a webforum it is because someone has STOLEN it to use as content to draw traffic to his site... please acquire a proper newsreader if you want to access rec.audio.car and rethink your patronage of said site... THIS SIG WAS STOLEN FROM SANCHO... **** it! "thelizman" wrote in message ... Nousaine wrote: What evidence do you bring to the table? Eddie Runner. And his cartoons. Funny, you've never provided anything resembling "evidence". You've offered anectdote and plattitudes. Kindly move along now. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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Tom,
You always respond with a question..! Why cant you ever say something of value..?? Nousaine wrote: So Eddie; according to your measurements exactly what happens when you stuff a woofer box? Doesn't the resonance (Fsb) fall? Don't rear-wall relections being spit out the port/cone become reduced? Or not? Echos are reduced. Eddie Runner |
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Nousaine wrote:
Actually that's not the case at all. he always says that but has never given any real evedence of why. Eddie made his case on this being a "standing wave" phenomenon; which it clearly NOT and he refuses to acknowledge that he was clearly wrong in that explanation ..... I have stated many times WHY IT IS and provided evedence that it is so. But you have never given ANY evedence that it is not... which he will not because his phenomenon is not a standing wave problem (his waves are traveling in the same direction when his supposed cancellations occur.) The very elementary standing wave examples always show TWO WAVES, going in opposite directions... Why dont you acknowledge this Tom and move on a little further or deeper into standing wave theory... For instance, if the wave bounces again and again, are they exempt in some strange way from joining and contributing to the standing wave because of your imaginary ONE WAY SIGNS..??? Of course not, they can have as much fun playing the game of standing waves as any reflection does!! Or waves that DO NOT go in opposite directions, that reflect off of non-parrallel reflectors, are they somehow prohibited from being called standing waves if they overlap each other and create nodes and antinodes..?? Of course not... Tom, maybe you saw the page in the physics book with the very elementary drawings of standing waves, now the time has come to turn the page and learn alittle more about the complex standing waves... And if he doesn't understand the acoustics .... But he does! how do we accept any other of his arguments? They are the only ones with any evedence! If you provided ANY evedence then maybe folks would have a choice..! Come on Tom what are you afraid of..?? So far, I have scanned books, pictures, and posted photos and descriptions on a web page of three different cars.... Your evedence so far,...??? NOTTA! Just insults, and stupid questions... I'll agree that acoustical neophytes, such as yourself, more insults.... Still no evedence... would be more than happy to let the issue die because you can't stand the idea that there are people who understand these acoustical phenomena better than you. Let it DIE..??? Let it DIE??? What makes you say that..??? IF I wanted it to die, I wouldnt have documented everything with photos and web pages for all to see..... ha ha ha If I wanted it to die, I would RUSH right over and pull down all my web pages....!! Im not gonna do that... Why do you make this stuff up Tom, whats your motivation..?? Life is tough. Live with it. Expand your knowledge. Heed your own words, its time to TURN THE PAGE!! ha ha ha Eddie Runner |
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Nousaine wrote:
Actually that's not the case at all. So sayeth you. I'll agree that acoustical neophytes, such as yourself, would be more than happy to let the issue die because you can't stand the idea that there are people who understand these acoustical phenomena better than you. There's the ad-hominem, proof that you've exhausted your intellectual capacity for argument. Know that simply regurgitating old articles from the JAAS doesn't make you an expert in acoustics. Your obvious and glaring ignorance of some of the physics involved in wave propagation has been well demonstrated in several posts here. So while you may consider me a neophyte because I have only 12 years in this industry, at least I'm not a whore whose audio opinions bear a linear relationship to whose ads appear near my articles. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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There's the ad-hominem, proof that you've exhausted your intellectual
capacity for argument. Wait a second...don't you live by the ad hominem? |
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MZ wrote:
There's the ad-hominem, proof that you've exhausted your intellectual capacity for argument. Wait a second...don't you live by the ad hominem? No, he's two streets over. I live by the bilous insult. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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Nousaine wrote:
thelizman wrote: Nice dodge. But that seems to be the issue with guys like you and Eddie. You dislike folks who sometimes dislocate Audio Urban Legends simply because you aren't anxious enough to examine the phenomena more closely. It's much easier to argue and name call. Actually, guys like Eddie and I are some of the only people actually dislocation AULs (it was I who coined the phrase "Voodoo Car Stereo"). Lighten up; car sound is fun. Why let these personal things interfere with what's true and what really leads to better sound. Guys like you and Eddie are on the right side of the fence on lots of stuff. Why **** on my and your shoes just because you don't like what I have to say about a single issue? Sport, old man, sport. To call me an "ad-whore" is interesting;and makes it obvious that you're more interested in name-calling than acoustics. Yeah, so what Mr. Poopy Pants. So as an "ad-whore" ...... I'm not really offended, I get lots of that stuff ..... but you can go "pound sand' as it were :-) HA HA! You're an okay guy Tom. But you still haven't offered "proof" in the way Eddie has. That's the whole problem I have with you, as all I've ever seen you offer is anectdotal evidence. That might work with most people as an appeal to authority, but I expect more. Until then, the dick-measuring contest is in Eddies favor. -- thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either" teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than usenet without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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Tom,
this thread started about fiberous materials in boxes. I disagree with your previous article about it. instead of debating that you wanna call names and talk about standing waves... The thread about the standing waves started where you wrote an article saying the woofer box position in a car doesnt matter... I PROVED IT DOES!!! Instead of backing up your position on the two main points, you want to call names and worry about the defintion of standing waves.....?? Cant back up your own findings (cause they are lies) so you call names and try to change the subject. Oh well Nousaine wrote: |
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