i have both xm and sirius, my wife likes xm better and i like sirius
better. Sirius overall i think is better because better selection more
hip hop which is my fav, xm has 3 rap stations, 2 good new and 1 old
hip hop, one of the new music is edited one isnt, not alot of selection
on xm as sirius, depends what music you like better, but definately go
for the 3 day trial online.. Later


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I am wanting to get sattelite radio and don't know which of these two would
be better. I am only interested in the music of the two I do not listen to
sports and news very often so they are not really a factor in my decision.
Just wanted to hear some opinions from people who have tried one or the
other or both.

Hi,

Well, I have XM but have looked at the content on both. I think the
music selection is better on Siruis. You can get free access on line
for 3 days on www.xmradio.com and www.sirius.com. Give it a listen.
It's free and you don't need to enter any personal data to get it, just
an amail address. That should help you decide. One user did mention
that Sirius is a better deal because you get free on line access with
a Sirus subscrprtion where XM charges but XM is cheaper. There are no
premium channles that charge extra on Sirisu where there is on XM. I
guess what it really comes down to is content. There similar in a way
but do differ in some areas like music.

Mike

will a Sirius antenna work with a XM setup (and vice versa) ?

I'm looking at an external antenna when I get set up in about 3 weeks and
want to avid the hassles of dropped signals one gets with an
internal-vehicle antenna..
Thanks



wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi,

Well, I have XM but have looked at the content on both. I think the
music selection is better on Siruis. You can get free access on line
for 3 days on www.xmradio.com and www.sirius.com. Give it a listen.
It's free and you don't need to enter any personal data to get it, just
an amail address. That should help you decide. One user did mention
that Sirius is a better deal because you get free on line access with
a Sirus subscrprtion where XM charges but XM is cheaper. There are no
premium channles that charge extra on Sirisu where there is on XM. I
guess what it really comes down to is content. There similar in a way
but do differ in some areas like music.

Mike

"Sean Scott" Its@secret wrote in message
...
I am wanting to get sattelite radio and don't know which of these two
would
be better. I am only interested in the music of the two I do not listen
to
sports and news very often so they are not really a factor in my decision.
Just wanted to hear some opinions from people who have tried one or the
other or both.

You can try them each out for free on the internet for 3 days. That will
give you an idea of the type of music each carry. XM is $10, Sirius is $13.
But if you also want to listen on the internet, XM is $4 extra, and it's
included with the regular Sirius fee. The one thing you won't get a feel
for is the song selection over 3 days. I'm told XM has a bigger song base.
If you listen to Sirius you'll start hearing more repetition faster on your
favorite channels.

Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

Mike


jeffc wrote:
"Sean Scott" Its@secret wrote in message
...
I am wanting to get sattelite radio and don't know which of these
two
would
be better. I am only interested in the music of the two I do not
listen
to
sports and news very often so they are not really a factor in my
decision.
Just wanted to hear some opinions from people who have tried one or
the
other or both.

You can try them each out for free on the internet for 3 days. That
will
give you an idea of the type of music each carry. XM is $10, Sirius
is $13.
But if you also want to listen on the internet, XM is $4 extra, and
it's
included with the regular Sirius fee. The one thing you won't get a
feel
for is the song selection over 3 days. I'm told XM has a bigger song
base.
If you listen to Sirius you'll start hearing more repetition faster
on your
favorite channels.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went "I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted and what
were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music channels are not
totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of some
compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that produces higher
fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts about the veracity of
these claims they were both found in discussions between users (and potential
users) of both systems and neither were disputed by anyone in the XM camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to find someone
who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be able to judge
between them. In the end they are both so superior to regular FM that I would
be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied. I was "leaning" Sirius and
mostly just liked the available hardware better between the two when I was in a
store ready to buy.

I have Sirius and had listened to XM over the Internet for about 2
weeks. Both services are very similar in the content what they play is
superior to anything on FM. I don't know for sure but I would expect
that the audio quality is the same or very similar between the two
services. As for commercials, I didn't hear any on XM music stations.
I chose Sirius because I listen over the Internet a lot and Sirius
includes the Internet for free where XM charges for it. This makes
Sirius a little cheaper. I also liked Sirius's web player better. I
did like that XM allows you to listen to the comedy stations over the
Internet and Sirius does not. Neither service provides all of their
content over the Internet.

The link below is the best evalation of the two services I have seen to
date. Edmunds evaluated both services for 60 days.

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/aud...tures.1#r ock
Bruce

"Rick Brandt" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went "I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted and
what were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music channels
are not totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts
about the veracity of these claims they were both found in discussions
between users (and potential users) of both systems and neither were
disputed by anyone in the XM camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to find
someone who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be
able to judge between them. In the end they are both so superior to
regular FM that I would be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied.
I was "leaning" Sirius and mostly just liked the available hardware better
between the two when I was in a store ready to buy.






Im leaning toward XM but mostly only because my HU is XM ready.

Hi,

Good point. Who really knows what methods were used. I do have the XM
and since I do have some reception glitches I thought that maybe its XM
but its more than likely that external antenna and wireless
transmission to the FM. I guess I need to break down and do the direct
connect. The direct connect is very clean when I listen to it in the
store but what other means are they using? Anyway, I was totally blown
away.

If anyone is looking for XM, I was in Bestbuy in Colma yesterday and
they have the Roady 2 on sale for 69.00 after rebate. It's 99.00
before rebates. It expires on 12.25.2004.

Mike


Rick Brandt wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went
"I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted
and what
were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music
channels are not
totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some
compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher
fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts about the
veracity of
these claims they were both found in discussions between users (and
potential
users) of both systems and neither were disputed by anyone in the XM
camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to
find someone
who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be able
to judge
between them. In the end they are both so superior to regular FM
that I would
be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied. I was "leaning"
Sirius and
mostly just liked the available hardware better between the two when
I was in a
store ready to buy.

Hi,

Good point. Who really knows what methods were used. I do have the XM
and since I do have some reception glitches I thought that maybe its XM
but its more than likely that external antenna and wireless
transmission to the FM. I guess I need to break down and do the direct
connect. The direct connect is very clean when I listen to it in the
store but what other means are they using? Anyway, I was totally blown
away.

If anyone is looking for XM, I was in Bestbuy in Colma yesterday and
they have the Roady 2 on sale for 69.00 after rebate. It's 99.00
before rebates. It expires on 12.25.2004.

Mike


Rick Brandt wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went
"I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted
and what
were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music
channels are not
totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some
compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher
fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts about the
veracity of
these claims they were both found in discussions between users (and
potential
users) of both systems and neither were disputed by anyone in the XM
camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to
find someone
who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be able
to judge
between them. In the end they are both so superior to regular FM
that I would
be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied. I was "leaning"
Sirius and
mostly just liked the available hardware better between the two when
I was in a
store ready to buy.

Any head unit that is XM ready is also Sirius ready. My Alpine head
unit says XM on the front of it. The tuner connects into the unit from
the back. The head unit just displays what the tuner sends it.

Both XM and Sirius are good. Just pick the one you like best. The
hardware requirements are the same.

Bruce

Any head unit that is XM ready is also Sirius ready. My Alpine head
unit says XM on the front of it. The tuner connects into the unit from
the back. The head unit just displays what the tuner sends it.

Both XM and Sirius are good. Just pick the one you like best. The
hardware requirements are the same.

Bruce

"Rick Brandt" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went "I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted and
what
were the methods used?

Actually it was a quote from the rec.audio.opinion newsgroup
"You're listening to Sirius. XM is a different animal. Sirius has
FM-sized playlists -- 500-600 songs and repetition is a major problem.
XM is a totally different animal. XM's library is over 2 million
tracks and they use them. Deeptracks, for example, has a playlist of
over 4,000 tracks."

In the end they are both so superior to regular FM that I would
be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied.

The greatest strength of these systems - specific music genres - might also
be their biggest weakness, depending on your preferences. Some people like
to simply tune in one station and listen for awhile, while getting a good
mix and variety of music.

wrote in message
oups.com...

The link below is the best evalation of the two services I have seen to
date. Edmunds evaluated both services for 60 days.


http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/aud...tures.1#r ock

Good link, thanks.

i had sirius in my old car for over a year and have had xm in my new car for
4 months now and my opinion is that sirius has better content but it is
really a matter of personal preference when it comes to music selection..
one thing nobody mentioned is that sirius signed howard stern! as far as
sound quality experts have said sirius is better but that the average
listener would not be able to tell the difference. one major difference i
noticed is that my sirius always skipped when going under an overpass
because it lost the signal for a split second. my xm in my new car has
never done that..
"Sean Scott" Its@secret wrote in message
...
I am wanting to get sattelite radio and don't know which of these two would
be better. I am only interested in the music of the two I do not listen to
sports and news very often so they are not really a factor in my decision.
Just wanted to hear some opinions from people who have tried one or the
other or both.

Okay -

Here is what I tell a pitential customer in my shop. Unless you have a
particular channel you like, buy the service that offers you the best deal.

XM has the Nascar channel, Sirius has MLB, NHL, NFL and soon Howard Stern.

XM has more comedy channels. Both has weather and traffic updates, although
I like XM's better than Sirius.

I have Sirius, because that is who coupled with Kenwood last year!

But now you can have XM with Kenwood, or
Sirius with Alpine. So brand name will not stop you anymore.

Sirius costs more if you buy it month to month. If you choose a plan, you
get it for about the same cost as XM.

Sirius is supposed to be 100% digital, where XM goes back a fourth between
Digital and Analoge signals.

I originally got Sirius because the equipment was free with 1 year service.



--
WDW is a Way of Life
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi,

Good point. Who really knows what methods were used. I do have the XM
and since I do have some reception glitches I thought that maybe its XM
but its more than likely that external antenna and wireless
transmission to the FM. I guess I need to break down and do the direct
connect. The direct connect is very clean when I listen to it in the
store but what other means are they using? Anyway, I was totally blown
away.

If anyone is looking for XM, I was in Bestbuy in Colma yesterday and
they have the Roady 2 on sale for 69.00 after rebate. It's 99.00
before rebates. It expires on 12.25.2004.

Mike


Rick Brandt wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went
"I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted
and what
were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music
channels are not
totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some
compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher
fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts about the
veracity of
these claims they were both found in discussions between users (and
potential
users) of both systems and neither were disputed by anyone in the XM
camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to
find someone
who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be able
to judge
between them. In the end they are both so superior to regular FM
that I would
be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied. I was "leaning"
Sirius and
mostly just liked the available hardware better between the two when
I was in a
store ready to buy.

"SF" wrote in message
link.net...
Okay -

Here is what I tell a pitential customer in my shop. Unless you have a
particular channel you like, buy the service that offers you the best
deal.

XM has the Nascar channel, Sirius has MLB, NHL, NFL and soon Howard Stern.


Neither of those make a diff to me.

XM has more comedy channels. Both has weather and traffic updates,
although
I like XM's better than Sirius.


This helps a little. I like comedy alot. I think I will go with XM. If my
HU says XM ready on the faceplate then I just need the antannae right?


I have Sirius, because that is who coupled with Kenwood last year!

But now you can have XM with Kenwood, or
Sirius with Alpine. So brand name will not stop you anymore.

Sirius costs more if you buy it month to month. If you choose a plan, you
get it for about the same cost as XM.

Sirius is supposed to be 100% digital, where XM goes back a fourth between
Digital and Analoge signals.

I originally got Sirius because the equipment was free with 1 year
service.



--
WDW is a Way of Life
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi,

Good point. Who really knows what methods were used. I do have the XM
and since I do have some reception glitches I thought that maybe its XM
but its more than likely that external antenna and wireless
transmission to the FM. I guess I need to break down and do the direct
connect. The direct connect is very clean when I listen to it in the
store but what other means are they using? Anyway, I was totally blown
away.

If anyone is looking for XM, I was in Bestbuy in Colma yesterday and
they have the Roady 2 on sale for 69.00 after rebate. It's 99.00
before rebates. It expires on 12.25.2004.

Mike


Rick Brandt wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went
"I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted
and what
were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music
channels are not
totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some
compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher
fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts about the
veracity of
these claims they were both found in discussions between users (and
potential
users) of both systems and neither were disputed by anyone in the XM
camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to
find someone
who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be able
to judge
between them. In the end they are both so superior to regular FM
that I would
be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied. I was "leaning"
Sirius and
mostly just liked the available hardware better between the two when
I was in a
store ready to buy.

It depends on the HU, but for the most part no! Just because the HU says XM,
it usually means you need the XM brain and the antenna.

There are a few Alpines that have XM built into the HU, but everybody else
requires a brain to be connected.

--
WDW is a Way of Life
"Sean Scott" Its@secret wrote in message
...

"SF" wrote in message
link.net...
Okay -

Here is what I tell a pitential customer in my shop. Unless you have a
particular channel you like, buy the service that offers you the best
deal.

XM has the Nascar channel, Sirius has MLB, NHL, NFL and soon Howard
Stern.


Neither of those make a diff to me.

XM has more comedy channels. Both has weather and traffic updates,
although
I like XM's better than Sirius.


This helps a little. I like comedy alot. I think I will go with XM. If
my
HU says XM ready on the faceplate then I just need the antannae right?


I have Sirius, because that is who coupled with Kenwood last year!

But now you can have XM with Kenwood, or
Sirius with Alpine. So brand name will not stop you anymore.

Sirius costs more if you buy it month to month. If you choose a plan,
you
get it for about the same cost as XM.

Sirius is supposed to be 100% digital, where XM goes back a fourth
between
Digital and Analoge signals.

I originally got Sirius because the equipment was free with 1 year
service.



--
WDW is a Way of Life
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi,

Good point. Who really knows what methods were used. I do have the XM
and since I do have some reception glitches I thought that maybe its XM
but its more than likely that external antenna and wireless
transmission to the FM. I guess I need to break down and do the direct
connect. The direct connect is very clean when I listen to it in the
store but what other means are they using? Anyway, I was totally blown
away.

If anyone is looking for XM, I was in Bestbuy in Colma yesterday and
they have the Roady 2 on sale for 69.00 after rebate. It's 99.00
before rebates. It expires on 12.25.2004.

Mike


Rick Brandt wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?

I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went
"I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted
and what
were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music
channels are not
totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some
compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher
fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts about the
veracity of
these claims they were both found in discussions between users (and
potential
users) of both systems and neither were disputed by anyone in the XM
camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to
find someone
who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be able
to judge
between them. In the end they are both so superior to regular FM
that I would
be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied. I was "leaning"
Sirius and
mostly just liked the available hardware better between the two when
I was in a
store ready to buy.

I have Sirius and love it.
The sound quality is excellent on all channels. Unlike XM you don't
have to wait forever to hear a song you actually recognize. In the
future I think Sirius is more likely to snag deals (sports, jocks,
etc.). Sirius is also the only Satellite Radio provider to have NPR.
If you are a sports type of person then Sirius is for you. Sirius has
all NFL games and even has a 24/7 channel dedicated to the NFL. Sirius
also broadcasts College hoops, college football, English Premier League
Soccer, and the NHL (if there is a season).
Both services have their differences so it is really just a matter of
opinion. I would recommend signing up for a free trial of both of
their services online.

"SF" wrote in message
link.net...

But now you can have XM with Kenwood, or
Sirius with Alpine. So brand name will not stop you anymore.

Are you saying you can ignore the Sirius and XM labels on stereos now and
plug either one in to any head unit?

Actually, yes. If the head unit will accept an auxiliary input, then
the head unit will work with either XM or Sirius. The display on the
front of the head unit will receive the signal from the XM or Sirius
tuner and show what is currently playing.

Some head units have the tuner built in but that I think that there are
few of those.

Bruce

"wellstd1" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have Sirius and love it.
The sound quality is excellent on all channels. Unlike XM you don't
have to wait forever to hear a song you actually recognize. In the
future I think Sirius is more likely to snag deals (sports, jocks,
etc.). Sirius is also the only Satellite Radio provider to have NPR.
If you are a sports type of person then Sirius is for you. Sirius has
all NFL games and even has a 24/7 channel dedicated to the NFL. Sirius
also broadcasts College hoops, college football, English Premier League
Soccer, and the NHL (if there is a season).
Both services have their differences so it is really just a matter of
opinion. I would recommend signing up for a free trial of both of
their services online.


I actually could care less about sports, never watch or listen to them.

Dont worry, they have lots of PANSY channels also...
You will love it!

Sean Scott wrote:

I actually could care less about sports, never watch or listen to them.

Acutally, that is correct, but there is now adapters that will allow you to
choose the sat service you want, reguardless of what the radio is set for.

For example, Pioneer and Alpine (just to name a couple) were XM only. Alpine
has their own setup for Sirius and Terk has a box to connect Sirius as well.

Kenwood has always been with Sirius, and once again, Terk has an adapter to
connect XM.

This adapter connects to the radio in the same way.

--
WDW is a Way of Life
wrote in message
oups.com...
Actually, yes. If the head unit will accept an auxiliary input, then
the head unit will work with either XM or Sirius. The display on the
front of the head unit will receive the signal from the XM or Sirius
tuner and show what is currently playing.

Some head units have the tuner built in but that I think that there are
few of those.

Bruce

What brand? If it's an Alpine and says it's XM Ready, you can also plug
in the new SIR-ALP1 Sirius tuner.

JD

Sean Scott wrote:

"Rick Brandt" wrote in message
...


wrote in message
groups.com...


Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?


I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went "I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted and
what were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music channels
are not totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts
about the veracity of these claims they were both found in discussions
between users (and potential users) of both systems and neither were
disputed by anyone in the XM camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to find
someone who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be
able to judge between them. In the end they are both so superior to
regular FM that I would be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied.
I was "leaning" Sirius and mostly just liked the available hardware better
between the two when I was in a store ready to buy.








Im leaning toward XM but mostly only because my HU is XM ready.

Sorry, that is not true... the tuner module and HU must share a common
databus protocol and cabling for the HU display to show you channel and
track info, and for the HU to control the channel & category selection.

The other gent was correct, Alpine units that were designed for XM will
now work with the Sirius SIR-ALP1 (which we distribute) and the Kenwood
units that had been 100% Sirius will now work with an XM outboard tuner
(XM Direct). There are other combinations now available as well... but
by no means can you say that any radio will work with any satellite
tuner, unless you want to include plug & play satellite receiver systems
that connect via FM modulation.

JD

wrote:

Actually, yes. If the head unit will accept an auxiliary input, then
the head unit will work with either XM or Sirius. The display on the
front of the head unit will receive the signal from the XM or Sirius
tuner and show what is currently playing.

Some head units have the tuner built in but that I think that there are
few of those.

Bruce

It is a Pioneer DEH-P8400MP model.
"John Durbin" wrote in message ...
What brand? If it's an Alpine and says it's XM Ready, you can also plug in the new SIR-ALP1 Sirius tuner.

JD

Sean Scott wrote:

"Rick Brandt" wrote in message
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Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?
I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went "I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted and
what were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music channels
are not totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts
about the veracity of these claims they were both found in discussions
between users (and potential users) of both systems and neither were
disputed by anyone in the XM camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to find
someone who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be
able to judge between them. In the end they are both so superior to
regular FM that I would be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied.
I was "leaning" Sirius and mostly just liked the available hardware better
between the two when I was in a store ready to buy.






Im leaning toward XM but mostly only because my HU is XM ready.

ah... no SiriusConnect plug-in tuner for that yet.

JD

Sean Scott wrote:

It is a Pioneer DEH-P8400MP model.

"John Durbin"
wrote in message ...
What brand? If it's an Alpine and says it's XM Ready, you can also
plug in the new SIR-ALP1 Sirius tuner.

JD

Sean Scott wrote:

"Rick Brandt" wrote in message
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Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?


I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went "I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted and
what were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music channels
are not totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts
about the veracity of these claims they were both found in discussions
between users (and potential users) of both systems and neither were
disputed by anyone in the XM camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to find
someone who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be
able to judge between them. In the end they are both so superior to
regular FM that I would be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied.
I was "leaning" Sirius and mostly just liked the available hardware better
between the two when I was in a store ready to buy.








Im leaning toward XM but mostly only because my HU is XM ready.

John Durbin wrote:
Sorry, that is not true... the tuner module and HU must share a
common
databus protocol and cabling for the HU display to show you channel
and
track info, and for the HU to control the channel & category
selection.

The other gent was correct, Alpine units that were designed for XM
will
now work with the Sirius SIR-ALP1 (which we distribute) and the
Kenwood
units that had been 100% Sirius will now work with an XM outboard
tuner
(XM Direct). There are other combinations now available as well...
but
by no means can you say that any radio will work with any satellite
tuner, unless you want to include plug & play satellite receiver
systems
that connect via FM modulation.

JD

I have an Alpine head unit that says XM on it with the SIR-ALP1 tuner
behind it. I get Sirius and the head unit displays the title and
artist. I was told that any head unit that will accept a direct input
will be able to do the same. Although, my audio advisor recommended
that I stick with Alpine because it would work with my existing factory
sound system without any problems.

Bruce

I can't figure out where to plug in the XM tuner, I havn't boughten it yet but I only see the 3 RCA preouts for amplifiers and teh only other plug I assumed was for a CD changer is it for XM and I was wrong about a CD changer?
"John Durbin" wrote in message ...
ah... no SiriusConnect plug-in tuner for that yet.

JD

Sean Scott wrote:

It is a Pioneer DEH-P8400MP model.
"John Durbin" wrote in message ...
What brand? If it's an Alpine and says it's XM Ready, you can also plug in the new SIR-ALP1 Sirius tuner.

JD

Sean Scott wrote:

"Rick Brandt" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello G Buddies,

Interesting. I did not know that the songs will repeat faster with
Sirius. That's good to know. Any idea how long you have to listed
before it repeats?
I would pay particular attention to the part of his post that went "I'm
told...". Told by whom? How many weeks of research were conducted and
what were the methods used?

When I researched both on the internet I "read" that XM's music channels
are not totally commercial free. Is that true? There was also mention of
some compression or other processing technology that Sirius uses that
produces higher fidelity audio than XM. Is that true? While I had doubts
about the veracity of these claims they were both found in discussions
between users (and potential users) of both systems and neither were
disputed by anyone in the XM camp.

It is very easy to find satisfied users of both and it is rare to find
someone who has actually had BOTH of them for a long enough period to be
able to judge between them. In the end they are both so superior to
regular FM that I would be surprised that anyone would not be satisfied.
I was "leaning" Sirius and mostly just liked the available hardware better
between the two when I was in a store ready to buy.






Im leaning toward XM but mostly only because my HU is XM ready.

You are correct on both counts. That plugin is actually an AI-Net
connector jack. There are multiple devices that you can hook up to it,
from EQs to CD-Changers, to XM Tuners. In the case of the XM Tuner, it
has a passthrough so you can daisy-chain another AI-Net device off of it.

HU -- XM Tuner -- CD Changer

Brandonb


Sean Scott wrote:
I can't figure out where to plug in the XM tuner, I havn't boughten it
yet but I only see the 3 RCA preouts for amplifiers and teh only other
plug I assumed was for a CD changer is it for XM and I was wrong about a
CD changer?

(1 gallon)
Salt
pepper
soy & teriyaki
minced ginger, etc.
1 tablespoon cornstarch dissolved in a little cold water
1 egg beaten

Make the stuffing:
Marinate the flesh in a mixture of soy and teriyaki sauces
then stir fry in hot oil for till brown - about 1 minute, remove.
Stir-fry the vegetables.
Put the meat back into the wok and adjust the seasoning.
De-glaze with sherry, cooking off the alcohol.
Add broth (optional) cook a few more minutes.
Add the cornstarch, cook a few minutes till thick,
then place the stuffing into a colander and cool;
2 hours
Wrap the rolls:
Place 3 tablespoons of stuffing in the wrap, roll tightly -
corner nearest you first, fold 2 side corners in,
wrap till remaining corner is left.
Brush with egg, seal, and allow to sit on the seal for
a few minutes.
Fry the rolls:
325° if using egg roll wraps, 350° for spring roll wraps.
Deep fry in peanut oil till crispy golden brown, drain on paper towels.



Lemon Neonate

Turkey serves just as well, and in fact even looks a bit like a
well-dressed baby. By the time you turn the child?s breast into
cutlets, it will be indistinguishable. The taste of young human,
although similar to turkey (and chicken) often can be wildly
different depending upon what he or she has consumed during its
10 to 14 months of life...

4 well chosen cutlets (from the breasts of 2 healthy neonates)
2 large lemons (fresh lemons always, if possible)
Olive oil
Green onions
Salt
pepper
cornstarch
neonate stock (chicken, or turkey stock is fine)
garlic
parsley
fresh cracked black pepper

Season and sauté the cutlets in olive oil till golden brown, remove.
Add the garlic and onions and cook down a bit.
Add some lemon juice and some zest, then de-glaze with stock.
Add a litt

the meatballs in the tomato gravy, and simmer for several hours.
Serve on spaghetti.
Accompany with green salad, garlic bread and red wine.



Newborn Parmesan

This classic Sicilian cuisine can easily be turned into Eggplant Parmesan
If you are planning a vegetarian meal. Or you could just as well use veal -
after all, you have to be careful - Sicilians are touchy about their young
family members...

6 newborn or veal cutlets
Tomato gravy (see index)
4 cups mozzarella, 1cup parmesan, 1cup romano
Seasoned bread crumbs mixed with
parmesan
romano
salt
pepper
oregano
garlic powder
chopped parsley
Flour
eggwash (eggs and milk)
Peanut oil for frying.

Pound the cutlets.
Dredge in flour, eggs, then the bread crumb mixture.
Fry till golden brown in 350° peanut oil.
In a baking pan, place a layer of gravy,
then one of meat, gravy, and cheese.
Another layer each of meat, gravy, and cheese.
Then bake at 350° for 45 minutes.
Serve on hot pasta with romano cheese.



Southern Fried Small-fry

Tastes like fried chicken, which works just as well.
In fact you may want to practice cutting up whole chickens
for frying before you go for the real thing.
Whole chicken is much more efficient and inexpensive than buying pieces.

1 tiny human, cut into pieces
2 cups flour
Onion, garlic
Salt
pepper
garlic powder
cayenne pepper
hot sauce, etc.
Oil for frying

Mix milk, eggs, hot sauce in a bowl, add chopped onion and garlic.
Season the meat liberally, and marinate for several hours.
Place seasoned flour in a paper or plastic shopping bag,
drop pieces in a few a time, shake to coat thoroughly,
then deep fry in hot oil (350°) for about 15 minutes.
Drain and place on paper towels.



Miscarriage with Mustard Greens

Why waste it? Otherwise, and in general, use ham or salt pork to season greens.
The t

"Brandonb" wrote in message
...
You are correct on both counts. That plugin is actually an AI-Net
connector jack. There are multiple devices that you can hook up to it,
from EQs to CD-Changers, to XM Tuners. In the case of the XM Tuner, it has
a passthrough so you can daisy-chain another AI-Net device off of it.

HU -- XM Tuner -- CD Changer

Brandonb


Yay, because I really wanted a CD changer and wouldnt get XM if that
prevented me from using a changer. It is the little L or P shaped connector
right?

Sean Scott wrote:
I can't figure out where to plug in the XM tuner, I havn't boughten it
yet but I only see the 3 RCA preouts for amplifiers and teh only other
plug I assumed was for a CD changer is it for XM and I was wrong about a
CD changer?

Well, I've not been able to find a good picture on Alpine's site, so
here's a random ebay auction with a decent picture of the cord needed to
connect the devices. Mind you, the device should come with a cord so you
shouldn't need to buy one separately, but if you buy used you never know.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5739337097

My Alpine XM tuner came with a cord that easily reaches from the back of
my Chevy Tahoe, snakes around so its hidden, goes up under the dash and
behind the HU with cable to spare. I've often thought about getting the
Alpine 6-disk MP3 CD changer as well and hook it up. Here is a link to a
PDF I found on the XM site about the XM Tuner (watch for wrap):

http://www.stylestandard.net/oswego/...-t020xm_om.pdf

There is a nice diagram on the second page that shows how it can be
hooked up.

Brandonb


Sean Scott wrote:

"Brandonb" wrote in message
...

You are correct on both counts. That plugin is actually an AI-Net
connector jack. There are multiple devices that you can hook up to it,
from EQs to CD-Changers, to XM Tuners. In the case of the XM Tuner, it has
a passthrough so you can daisy-chain another AI-Net device off of it.

HU -- XM Tuner -- CD Changer

Brandonb



Yay, because I really wanted a CD changer and wouldnt get XM if that
prevented me from using a changer. It is the little L or P shaped connector
right?

Sean Scott wrote:

I can't figure out where to plug in the XM tuner, I havn't boughten it
yet but I only see the 3 RCA preouts for amplifiers and teh only other
plug I assumed was for a CD changer is it for XM and I was wrong about a
CD changer?

tea...



Spaghetti with Real Italian Meatballs

If you don?t have an expendable bambino on hand,
you can use a pound of ground pork instead.
The secret to great meatballs, is to use very lean meat.

1 lb. ground flesh; human or pork
3 lb. ground beef
1 cup finely chopped onions
7 - 12 cloves garlic
1 cup seasoned bread crumbs
½ cup milk, 2 eggs
Oregano
basil
salt
pepper
Italian seasoning, etc.
Tomato gravy (see index)
Fresh or at least freshly cooked spaghetti or other pasta

Mix the ground meats together in a large bowl,
then mix each of the other ingredients.
Make balls about the size of a baby?s fist
(there should be one lying around for reference).
Bake at 400°for about 25 minutes -
or you could fry them in olive oil.
Place the meatballs in the tomato gravy, and simmer for several hours.
Serve on spaghetti.
Accompany with green salad, garlic bread and red wine.



Newborn Parmesan

This classic Sicilian cuisine can easily be turned into Eggplant Parmesan
If you are planning a vegetarian meal. Or you could just as well use veal -
after all, you have to be careful - Sicilians are touchy about their young
family members...

6 newborn or veal cutlets
Tomato gravy (see index)
4 cups mozzarella, 1cup parmesan, 1cup romano
Seasoned bread crumbs mixed with
parmesan
romano
salt
pepper
oregano
garlic powder
chopped parsley
Flour
eggwash (eggs and milk)
Peanut oil for frying.

Pound the cutlets.
Dredge in flour, eggs, then the bread crumb mixture.
Fry til

you can at least get rid of all the leftovers in your refrigerator.

1 - 2 lbs. cubed meat (human flesh, chicken, turkey, beef...)
1 -2 lbs. coarsely chopped vegetables
(carrots, potatoes, turnips, cauliflower, cabbage...)
Bell pepper
onions
garlic
ginger
salt pepper, etc.
Olive oil
butter

Brown the meat and some chopped onions, peppers, and garilic in olive oil,
place in baking dish, layer with vegetables seasoning and butter.
Bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.
Serve with hot dinner rolls, fruit salad and sparkling water.



Bébé Buffet 1

Show off with whole roasted children replete with apples in mouths -
and babies? heads stuffed with wild rice. Or keep it simple with a
hearty main course such as stew, lasagna, or meat loaf.

Some suggestions

Pre-mie pot pies, beef stew, leg of lamb, stuffed chicken, roast pork spiral ham,
Cranberry pineapple salad, sweet potatoes in butter, vegetable platter, tossed salad with tomato and avocado, parsley new potatoes, spinich cucumber salad, fruit salad
Bran muffins, dinner rolls, soft breadsticks, rice pilaf, croissants
Apple cake with rum sauce, frosted banana nut bread sherbet, home made brownies
Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table.
They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose.
Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from
carrying too much, nor will they have to make 10 trips back and fourth from the
service stations.



Roast Leg of Amputee

By all means, substitute lamb or a good beef roast if the haunch
it is in any way diseased. But sometimes surgeons make mistake

Pot Luck Dinner

If you can?t get anything fresh from the hospital, nursery, or morgue;
you can at least get rid of all the leftovers in your refrigerator.

1 - 2 lbs. cubed meat (human flesh, chicken, turkey, beef...)
1 -2 lbs. coarsely chopped vegetables
(carrots, potatoes, turnips, cauliflower, cabbage...)
Bell pepper
onions
garlic
ginger
salt pepper, etc.
Olive oil
butter

Brown the meat and some chopped onions, peppers, and garilic in olive oil,
place in baking dish, layer with vegetables seasoning and butter.
Bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.
Serve with hot dinner rolls, fruit salad and sparkling water.



Bébé Buffet 1

Show off with whole roasted children replete with apples in mouths -
and babies? heads stuffed with wild rice. Or keep it simple with a
hearty main course such as stew, lasagna, or meat loaf.

Some suggestions

Pre-mie pot pies, beef stew, leg of lamb, stuffed chicken, roast pork spiral ham,
Cranberry pineapple salad, sweet potatoes in butter, vegetable platter, tossed salad with tomato and avocado, parsley new potatoes, spinich cucumber salad, fruit salad
Bran muffins, dinner rolls, soft breadsticks, rice pilaf, croissants
Apple cake with rum sauce, frosted banana nut bread sherbet, home made brownies
Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

The guests select food, beverages

and parsley.
Place roast on top with fat side up.
Place uncovered in 500° oven for 20 minutes, reduce oven to 325°.
Bake till medium rare (150°) and let roast rest.
Pour stock over onions and drippings, carve the meat and
place the slices in the au jus.



Bisque à l?Enfant

Honor the memory of Grandma with this dish by utilizing her good
silver soup tureen and her great grandchildren (crawfish, crab or
lobster will work just as well, however this dish is classically
made with crawfish).

Stuffed infant heads, stuffed crawfish heads, stuffed crab or lobster shells;
make patties if shell or head is not available
(such as with packaged crawfish, crab, or headless baby).
Flour
oil
onions
bell peppers
garlic salt, pepper, etc.
3 cups chicken stock
2 sticks butter
3 tablespoons oil

First stuff the heads, or make the patties (see index)
then fry or bake.
Set aside to drain on paper towels.
Make a roux with butter, oil and flour,
brown vegetables in the roux, then add chicken stock and
allow to simmer for 20 minutes.
Add the patties or stuffed heads, and some loose crawfish,
lobster, long piglet, or what have you.
Cook on low for 15 minutes, then allow it to set for at least
15 minutes more.
Serve over steamed rice; this dish is very impressive!



Stuffed Cabbage Rolls

Babies really can be found under a cabbage leaf -
or one can arrange for ground beef to be found there instead.

8 large cabbage leaves
1 lb. lean ground newborn human filets, or ground chuck
O