This jeffluttrell ebay dude is bad bads - power ebay crook.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=2374502 440
Bad feedback given naturally. Had to do it this way.

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922
He never sent item. Refuse to send money back. No replies.
I claim from paypal and got only $150.00 back from paypal.
I won't get the balance back but at least this posting will let others
be aware of this power ebay crook.
I have evidence from paypal etc.
Told him I'd post negative etc and post on Newsgroup too and he ignores.

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!
Thanks!

Chong Ong

On 2/4/04 7:03, in article T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04, "Chong Ong"
wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=2374502 440
Bad feedback given naturally. Had to do it this way.

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922
He never sent item. Refuse to send money back. No replies.
I claim from paypal and got only $150.00 back from paypal.
I won't get the balance back but at least this posting will let others
be aware of this power ebay crook.
I have evidence from paypal etc.
Told him I'd post negative etc and post on Newsgroup too and he ignores.

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!

Added to list of known SCAMMERS.

What list is this?


OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK VALUATION wrote:
On 2/4/04 7:03, in article T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04, "Chong Ong"
wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=2374502 440
Bad feedback given naturally. Had to do it this way.

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922
He never sent item. Refuse to send money back. No replies.
I claim from paypal and got only $150.00 back from paypal.
I won't get the balance back but at least this posting will let others
be aware of this power ebay crook.
I have evidence from paypal etc.
Told him I'd post negative etc and post on Newsgroup too and he ignores.

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!


Added to list of known SCAMMERS.

"Steve Raasch" wrote in message
. ..

What list is this?

It's a list of honest people targeted by McCarty for harassment. McCarty
himself has never identified a real scammer.
On occasion, someone like Dave Palmer fingers a real scammer like Randy
Boggess. To my knowledge, Boggess the only scammer on the list.

The damage McCarty does to innocent individuals far outweighs the value of
his occasional publicization of the efforts of others like Dave Palmer or
Chong Ong. If you'd like to talk about McCarty, call me at (215) 646-4894.

I assume you've seen the material I put out about McCarty, but here it is
again. The supreme irony is that McCarty is himself a scammer. Perhaps he's
using some strange moral arithmetic such that if he manages to eliminate a
scammer, he's entitled to take his place. I really have no idea what powers
McCarty's insanity, except for the rumor that he left the U.S. to avoid
prosecution for a sex crime in Los Angeles County, California.

Brian L. McCarty is currently attempting investment fraud. McCarty is an
American citizen, living as an exile in Australia. Please read below for the
details. My personal opinion can be viewed at http://www.worldjazz.tv.

The website is remarkable in that it does not contain a single truthful
statement. It changes constantly. Always prominent are nonexistent people
as frontmen, and affiliation with nonexistent events. Previous versions have
also featured fictional alliances with large companies, and with nonexistent
companies. From time to time, McCarty also steals the names of actual people
to decorate his websites. For example, in the case of
http://www.coralseastudios.com, my name, Robert Morein, was once featured as
an "endorsement."

From the current version of the website:


WORLDJAZZ NEWS
IPO ALLOCATIONS NOW UNDERWAY
(for a fraudulent enterprise, consisting of fictitious people, while the
real "owner" remains hidden)
U.S. BASED BROKERS:
SEC FORM 6 - FAX TO: (270) 812-2208
(Like hell would they go for this scam)
INTERNATIONAL BROKER/DEALERS:
SEC FORM 6 (or equivalent) FAX: +852 3015-2696
(I don't think so)
SIGNED AND FAXED FORM 6'S MUST BE RECEIVED IN ORDER TO GUARANTEE ALLOCATION.
DON'T MISS OUT ON THIS EXCITING OPPORTUNITY!
(to keep Brian L. McCarty off the dole?)
MOSCOW CENTRAL TV: Jazz programming to be supplied by WorldJAZZ to Moscow
Central Television beginning 2004
(A complete lie. Moscow Central TV is informed about the scam.)

TOP FOUR U.S. CABLE TV COMPANIES: Negotiations for carriage rights
currently underway
(probably means Brian wrote them a letter in the name of one of his fake
frontmen)


EVENT SPONSORSHIP: WorldJAZZ has been named OFFICIAL CO-SPONSOR of the 2004
Jersey Jazz Bass Festival (second year running!)
(Nonexistent Event! Total Fabrication!)


Live broadcast planned September 22-25, 2004.
(of what, a blank screen?)


DR. KRISHNA MAHBREN Named as CEO of WorldJAZZ
(Dr. Krishna Mahbren is a nonexistent person)


JAZZ MUSIC LINKS COURTESY OF
(an irrelevant collection of links vastly inferior to what Google provides,
to give the impression Brian is actually providing a public service. NOT! )

The author of the above post under the name "OFFICIAL RAM BLUEBOOK
VALUATION" is actually Brian L. McCarty, a notorious scammer, whose
current website, http://www.worldjazz.com, is a farrago of lies, fictitious
front people, and nonexistent associations. Speculation as to why McCarty
viciously attacks individuals who at the worst, might have slight
irregularities in business registrations, revolves around his suddenly
leaving the United States in the late 1990's. One rumor has it that McCarty
was about to be charged with a sex crime, and that he avoided prosecution by
leaving. It is possible McCarty paid off the victim's family.

Once in Australia, McCarty founded Coral Seas Studios, which quickly became
financially insolvent. Perhaps the major backer, ABN Amro, already detected
anomalies in McCarty's personality. Following that business failure, which
became a minor issue in the reelection of P.M. John Howard, McCarty
concentrated on funding a second initiative, "WorldJAZZ", a scheme for
Internet broadcasting. But with his reputation damaged and cut off from
legitmate business activity, McCarty's predatory tendency came more to the
fore. His website became ever more devious in an attempt to lure investors.

In 2003, notices appeared in several online publications that McCarty was
producing jazz broadcast material for Gene Parrish
(http://www.worldwidejazz.com ) Notices appeared in a publication of the
Embassy of France, and in one other publication. Mr. Parrish is a noted NPR
jazz broadcast host. When contacted, it was apparent that Parrish had never
heard of McCarty. While I cannot prove that McCarty posted these bogus
notices, he certainly had the motive to do so.

Following the exposure of the false producing notices, McCarty's name
completely vanished from the Internet. He resorted entirely to false
identities to create business partners who do not exist. As of 1/14/03, a
quick glance at http://www.worldjazz.com, discloses the following:

(Note: the following actually applies to the version of the website prior to
1/20/04, but it is relevant nevertheless:

1. Clicking on the banner "WorldJAZZ" produces an unresolved link to K1
Ventures, the largest venture capital company in Singapore. In discussion
with that company's secretary, she disavowed any connection between them and
McCarty, and was shocked at his implication that they were involved.

2. "Dr. Krishna Mahbren" is derived from a real person, Krishna Mahadoo,
V.P. of Beverly Hills Film Studios, a pink-sheet stock. McCarty cruises the
Internet for companies that don't answer the phone. McCarty made Mahadoo an
employee of that company's stock transfer agent, First American Stock
Transfer of Phoenix. When I pointed this out in a usenet post and notified
Mr. Mahdoo by mail, McCarty changed the company to "First American Stock of
Denver." Then he changed Mahadoo to Mahbren, and tacked on a "Dr." to the
phony name.

3. The claim that Moscow Central TV is to use material supplied by WorldJAZZ
is doubtful, as they were notified by mail. This claim has been made for the
better part of a year. When the date expires, McCarty simply creates a new
one.

4. "Event Sponsorship 2nd Year Running". This event does not exist. There is
no "Jersey Jazz Bass Festival." Previously, the website has exhibited a link
to the Island of Jersey in the English Channel. This locale has a surf
fishing festival, the Jersey Bass festival. There is no music festival. In
the past, association was advertised with "jazz musician" Peter Thliveros,
who is, in fact, a professional bass fisherman, not a musician.

5. The website is registered to "David Ellison", a fictitious person. In
the past, many different fictitious persons have been used, in conjunction
with yahoo mailboxes. Among McCarty's aliases, we have: Krishna Mahadoo,
Anthony Ramallo, David Ellison, David C.L. Feng, Ying Hong Huang, Lee
Hodges, Melinda Hsu, Melinda Shu, Robert Morein, Robert X Morein, Sylvan
Morein, Sylvan X Morein, et al.

6. The website morphs constantly. McCarty combs the Internet for identities
to steal. He chooses victims who do not represent themselves on the Web, and
are not easily reached by phone.

7. McCarty's other website, http://www.coralseastudios.com, has a similar
history. In the past, McCarty has actually used MY name as an endorsement,
apparently as a taunt, even though it makes extremely bad business sense.
Fortunately, Coral Seas went belly up, although the website lives on as a
zombie.

The obvious question is, if McCarty is so anxious to scam, why does he make
a constant racket under easily detectable fictitious names? It appears that
part of McCarty's mental illness is a distortion of reality. McCarty has an
obsession with the formal aspects of registering a business. To him, the "in
print" appearance is all that counts. It doesn't occur that people can
detect the reality that lies beyond. To McCarty fictitious names and posting
aliases are a real shield, just like a cat will crawl into a shopping bag to
hide.

McCarty had an early scheme for Internet radio. He claims to have sold
musical performance properties and/or a business plan to Black Entertainment
Television for $9.2M. Subsequently, he left Los Angeles. One unsubstantiated
rumor is that he left to avoid prosecution for a sex crime, presumably by
paying off the victim or family. Once in Australia, he made the acquaintance
of the brother of P.M. John Howard, who introduced him to contacts at ABN
Amro, an investment banking firm. They created a business plan for some kind
of a sound studio, still represented by the website
http://www.coralseastudios.com. After approximately a year, ABN withdrew
from partnership, but left the studio project still solvent. Some time
later, it went bankrupt or nearly so, owing $270,000 to it's employees. At
this point, Australia's entitlement law kicked in, paying the employees
monies owed them, with the exception of codirectors McCarty and Jeff Wexler.

It would appear that McCarty's enterprises failed because he has some kind
of mental imbalance, which exhibits signs of both schizophrenia and
obsessive-compulsive disorder. The impersonations which he makes of me are
a fraction of the numerous identities which he has used in the past, and
continues to use, on occasion, in the present. McCarty may actually believe
he is the person who he impersonates. Many of the identities are of
elaborate construction, taking some six months or more to take shape.
McCarty seems to have a magical belief that use of false identities provides
a shield.

In Australia, McCarty lived, and may continue to reside, in a condo at 65
Vasey Esplanade, Trinty Beach,
Cairns, Queensland, Australia. I periodically check to determine if he
relocates.

But why would McCarty want to escape his own identity so badly? Speculation
centers around the possibility that he did something not socially acceptable
in Los Angeles County in the late 90', possibly a sex crime.

"Chong Ong" wrote in message
news:T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04...
This jeffluttrell ebay dude is bad bads - power ebay crook.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=2374502 440
Bad feedback given naturally. Had to do it this way.

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.

The auction was only $150. What you mean you paid him $1K?

Brian

"Chong Ong" wrote in message
news:T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04...

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!
Thanks!


My 2 cents worth:

It's regrettable that you got burned, but I have no sympathy for
people that email sellers and buy outside of eBay. That's not
fair to those of us who play by the rules. Dozens of times I
have been bidding/watching rare items and see the auction ended
early by the seller who has sold to vultures like you. I am sure
I'm not the only one that has been upset by such occurrences.

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!

jim menning

I have to agree with Jim on this one........buy through e-Bay and have some
protection, or suffer the consequences as Chong did.
"Jim Menning" wrote in message
...

"Chong Ong" wrote in message
news:T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04...

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!
Thanks!


My 2 cents worth:

It's regrettable that you got burned, but I have no sympathy for
people that email sellers and buy outside of eBay. That's not
fair to those of us who play by the rules. Dozens of times I
have been bidding/watching rare items and see the auction ended
early by the seller who has sold to vultures like you. I am sure
I'm not the only one that has been upset by such occurrences.

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!

jim menning

"KSM" wrote in message
link.net...
I have to agree with Jim on this one........buy through e-Bay and have
some
protection, or suffer the consequences as Chong did.

What protection is that?

I bought a used laptop on 12/11/2003, and paid via PayPal.. the ultimate in
protection as far as an ebay purchase, right?

I paid for Priority mail shipping, the item should have been here in time
for Christmas. Along about 1/2 or 1/3, I sent the seller an e-mail and
asked how it had been shipped, and when. They told me it had been delayed
in shipping, and offered to refund me the extra that I paid for Priority
Mail shipping, which they did, about a week later.

I then e-mailed them to let them know that I had received the refund for
the extra postage, and they said that it would be shipped as soon as
possible. At this point, I informed them that if it had yet to be shipped,
that they should just refund my money for the entire sale, as it had been a
month since the end of the auction.

I got no response from them for a few days, so I went to leave negative
feedback. To my surprise, they were no longer a registered ebay seller. At
this point I sent another e-mail to them, and also a PayPal request for
funds to refund my purchase price. This they (apparently) did, a few days
later. They did this by PayPal e-check, which normally takes a few days to
clear. On the day it was to have cleared, I checked my PayPal account to
find that it had been instead cancelled. The sellers e-mail accounts have
all been closed, and the contact information is invalid (disconnected
telephone, etc.).

Now, this seller had good feedback, in the hundreds of positive feedbacks
(only about 4 out of over 600 were negative)..

Long story short, I am out my money, and out the item. I have absolutely no
recourse whatsoever, because both PayPal and ebay require you to file a
complaint/claim within 30 days. This does not even allow time for delayed
deliveries or shipping on the seller's behalf..

In other words, there IS no protection, other than Caveat Emptor, when
buying from ebay..

Long story short, I am out my money, and out the item. I have absolutely no
recourse whatsoever, because both PayPal and eBay require you to file a
complaint/claim within 30 days. This does not even allow time for delayed
deliveries or shipping on the seller's behalf..

That's the trick... Get the victim to hang on for 30 days, then they can't file
a claim.


In other words, there IS no protection, other than Caveat Emptor, when
buying from eBay.

I got some of my money back for a bad purchase from a Russian seller, using the
eBay fraud system. But I was still out over $100.

In article , says...

Long story short, I am out my money, and out the item. I have absolutely no
recourse whatsoever, because both PayPal and ebay require you to file a
complaint/claim within 30 days. This does not even allow time for delayed
deliveries or shipping on the seller's behalf..

Knowing you have only 30 days, anything past 2 weeks should raise a red
flag. Also, even if you pay with paypal, get a real address and phone
number, just in case.
------------
Alex

Alex Rodriguez wrote:


Knowing you have only 30 days, anything past 2 weeks should raise a red
flag. Also, even if you pay with paypal, get a real address and phone
number, just in case.
------------
Alex

The eBay fraud protection allows for 90 days before filing a complaint, which
have just been changed from 120 days.

Regards,
Kimjand

Alex Rodriguez wrote:

|
| Knowing you have only 30 days, anything past 2 weeks should
| raise a red flag. Also, even if you pay with paypal, get a
| real address and phone number, just in case.
| ------------
| Alex

eBay only reveals the seller's contact information after you've
won the auction. At that point, you, the buyer, are committed to
completing the transaction.

I discovered that my seller had listed with a free webmail
address, a Mailboxes Etc. postal address, a non-existant business
name, and an unlisted phone. Upon my repeated requests for her
bona-fides, she refused to divulge them. I reneged on my purchase
after eBay took the attitude that I was out-of-compliance. As far
as they were concerned, they were satisfied because they had her
credit card number to satisfy *their* needs.

On another occasion, a seller who had lied about the condition of
his product cause me to file via "safe harbor." eBay kept
throwing obstacles in my path: new unpublished rules such as that
they would not accept electronic photographs and that they would
accept second party verification only upon printed letterhead. I
quit in disgust. It wasn't worth persuing. I'd wanted to receive
half my money back. Although William and a couple of other people
here have been successful in at least getting some sort of refund
from eBay, my experience has been that the deck is stacked
against the buyer and there's little chance of recourse.

eBay's public mouthpiece is a former public radio host turned a
government mouthpiece, and now eBay's. He claims, in innocence,
that there are thousands of successful transactions every day,
and why, eBay "is only a venue."

And, illusions to the contrary, images of safe harbors in the
sunrise, what you're buying for your money is a temporary venue.
With luck you'll get the merchandise that you paid for, in the
condition it was advertised. I said "luck."

Richard

It's regrettable that you got burned, but I have no sympathy for
people that e-mail sellers and buy outside eBay. That's not
fair to those of us who play by the rules. Dozens of times I
have been bidding/watching rare items and see the auction ended
early by the seller who has sold to vultures like you. I am sure
I'm not the only one that has been upset by such occurrences.

Excuse me, but just who is at fault in such cases? It's not the buyer; he simply
made a request. Nor does the buyer being a "vulture" (which is highly debatable)
justify his being cheated.

Another point...

The eBay rules allow the seller to cancel the listing -- for any reason, for no
reason -- if he has received no bids. If a potential buyer offers more money
than the seller thinks he'll receive in an open auction, why shouldn't he cancel
the auction and sell to that buyer? Who, exactly -- other than eBay, who made
the rule in the first place -- is being cheated?

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...
It's regrettable that you got burned, but I have no
sympathy for
people that e-mail sellers and buy outside eBay. That's
not
fair to those of us who play by the rules. Dozens of
times I
have been bidding/watching rare items and see the
auction ended
early by the seller who has sold to vultures like you. I
am sure
I'm not the only one that has been upset by such
occurrences.

Excuse me, but just who is at fault in such cases?

BOTH buyer and seller. But the seller doesn't pick a name
out of a hat and make a solicitation to do so. The act must
be initiated by the buyer. And Chong admits in his post
that he has done this before and sometimes gets "stung". I
have no sympathy for either buyer or seller when they get
burned in situations like this. As I said, there are rules
in eBay to make things fair for ALL buyers and sellers.
Those who consistently break the rules don't belong in the
game.

It's not the buyer; he simply
made a request.

Of course it's the buyer. Solicitations to buy off eBay are
specifically banned by eBay rules.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ebay-sale.html

Nor does the buyer being a "vulture" (which is highly
debatable)
justify his being cheated.

I never said they deserve to get ripped off. I said I have
no sympathy for them if they do. And the use of the term
"vulture" applies to anyone who engages in these
solicitations. They only make the offer to try to get the
item cheaper than they think it will go for legitimately.
And if they are correct about that, they are also cheating
the seller.


Another point...

The eBay rules allow the seller to cancel the listing --
for any reason, for no
reason -- if he has received no bids.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about here.
There are only four reasons eBay allows you to end an
auction early. To sell an item off eBay certainly isn't one
of them. http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/end_early.html
a.. The item is no longer available for sale.
b.. There was an error in the starting price or reserve
amount.
c.. There was an error in the listing.
d.. The item was lost or broken.

If a potential buyer offers more money
than the seller thinks he'll receive in an open auction,
why shouldn't he cancel
the auction and sell to that buyer?

Certainly not the case here, check the auction--it had a
Buy-It-Now price included.

Who, exactly -- other than eBay, who made
the rule in the first place -- is being cheated?


ALL other potential bidders are. They lose their fair
chance to add the item to their collections. If you would
have any reading comprehension, you would have seen that was
the point I made in my first post.

Obviously intellect and common sense are two entirely
different things. And it looks like you have a severe
ethics problem as well.

jim menning

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...

Another point...

The eBay rules allow the seller to cancel the listing -- for any reason,
for no
reason -- if he has received no bids. If a potential buyer offers more
money
than the seller thinks he'll receive in an open auction, why shouldn't he
cancel
the auction and sell to that buyer? Who, exactly -- other than eBay, who
made
the rule in the first place -- is being cheated?

That's one of the ways to get free advertising via e-Bay.
Post an item with an opening bid or reserve price that is
so high that nobody (...but a true sucker) will touch it.
Then when the auction ends without a winning bidder
the sucker sends a private e-mail to the seller, offering
a price above the high bid, then counter with a slightly
higher offer, and complete the sale. Free advertising
(well, pay a listing fee) and make $$$ after the auction
ends.

In article , says...

The eBay rules allow the seller to cancel the listing -- for any reason, for
no
reason -- if he has received no bids. If a potential buyer offers more money
than the seller thinks he'll receive in an open auction, why shouldn't he
cancel
the auction and sell to that buyer? Who, exactly -- other than eBay, who made
the rule in the first place -- is being cheated?

Uh, if I place a bid on and item and I find it cheaper before the auction
is over, I am legally bound by my bid. In the same way, if the seller
puts it up for auction, he is obligated to sell the item to the high bidder
even if he gets a higher bid else where.
-------------
Alex

The eBay rules allow the seller to cancel the listing -- for any reason,
for no reason -- if he has received no bids. If a potential buyer offers
more money than the seller thinks he'll receive in an open auction,
why shouldn't he cancel the auction and sell to that buyer? Who,
exactly -- other than eBay, who made the rule in the first place --
is being cheated?

Uh, if I place a bid on and item and I find it cheaper before the auction
is over, I am legally bound by my bid. In the same way, if the seller
puts it up for auction, he is obligated to sell the item to the high bidder
even if he gets a higher bid else where.

Please reread the second line above -- "if he has received no bids."

Hi:

Ironic that Chong finds himself in this situation. Wasn't too long ago that
the following statement (more or less) was in every one of HIS auction
descriptions "First rule: Please not email me to end auction early".

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

--
Steve


"Jim Menning" wrote in message
...

"Chong Ong" wrote in message
news:T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04...

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!
Thanks!


My 2 cents worth:

It's regrettable that you got burned, but I have no sympathy for
people that email sellers and buy outside of eBay. That's not
fair to those of us who play by the rules. Dozens of times I
have been bidding/watching rare items and see the auction ended
early by the seller who has sold to vultures like you. I am sure
I'm not the only one that has been upset by such occurrences.

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!

jim menning

Funny you should mention vultures. Check this one and scroll down to where
the seller comments on one of them:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=93 3

--
Mike Schultz


"Jim Menning" wrote in message
...

"Chong Ong" wrote in message
news:T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04...

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!
Thanks!


My 2 cents worth:

It's regrettable that you got burned, but I have no sympathy for
people that email sellers and buy outside of eBay. That's not
fair to those of us who play by the rules. Dozens of times I
have been bidding/watching rare items and see the auction ended
early by the seller who has sold to vultures like you. I am sure
I'm not the only one that has been upset by such occurrences.

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!

jim menning

"Mike Schultz" wrote in
message ...
Funny you should mention vultures. Check this one and
scroll down to where
the seller comments on one of them:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=93 3


Exactly, Mike. Thanks for pointing that auction out. This
behavior is inexcusable. If someone wants the item, they
will bid to win. Vultures hurt eBay, buyers, and sellers,
no matter what some others here seem to think. Reminds me
of a thread on ethics we had here some time back when buying
radios from people who have no idea what they are really
worth. Do you try to rip them off and ruin any reputation
you have? Or do you want to offer a fair amount, and have
word of mouth bring more deals your way? I believe that you
should always offer a fair amount, and you'll likely sleep
better at night. For those who choose to do otherwise, word
eventually gets around.

Me, I sleep great!

jim menning

Mike Schultz wrote:
Funny you should mention vultures. Check this one and scroll down to where
the seller comments on one of them:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=93 3


Shouldn't this "FABA" be under one of the spelling threads?

-BM

"- - Bill - -" wrote in message
...
Mike Schultz wrote:
Funny you should mention vultures. Check this one and scroll down to
where
the seller comments on one of them:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=93 3


Shouldn't this "FABA" be under one of the spelling threads?

And served with a nice chianti??

At the current bid, I don't think the seller needs to worry about his
spelling. :-)

Joe


- - Bill - - wrote:
Mike Schultz wrote:

Funny you should mention vultures. Check this one and scroll down to
where
the seller comments on one of them:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=93 3



Shouldn't this "FABA" be under one of the spelling threads?

-BM

Joe Bento wrote:
At the current bid, I don't think the seller needs to worry about his
spelling. :-)

Joe


Wonder how much higher it might go if he were to put the search keyword
"catalin" in the title/description somewhere, though.

Bob Weiss N2IXK

those must be moon-dollars...



"Joe Bento" wrote in message
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At the current bid, I don't think the seller needs to worry about his
spelling. :-)

Joe


- - Bill - - wrote:
Mike Schultz wrote:

Funny you should mention vultures. Check this one and scroll down to
where
the seller comments on one of them:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=93 3



Shouldn't this "FABA" be under one of the spelling threads?

-BM

"Jim Menning" wrote in message
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"Chong Ong" wrote in message
news:T0UTb.18625$u_6.6716@lakeread04...

Paypal him $1K for this item out of ebay.
Occasionately the experience (me) gets stung
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3066633922

It gives a sigh of relief to air it out!
Thanks!


My 2 cents worth:

It's regrettable that you got burned, but I have no sympathy for
people that email sellers and buy outside of eBay. That's not
fair to those of us who play by the rules. Dozens of times I
have been bidding/watching rare items and see the auction ended
early by the seller who has sold to vultures like you. I am sure
I'm not the only one that has been upset by such occurrences.

You certainly aren't. It also may not be fair to the seller; often, the
"vulture" will make what seems like a great offer, but it's really less than
what he expects the auction to end for. Otherwise, he'd place a bid like
everyone else. Any competent/experienced seller should easily see that
he/she is probably being ripped off.
Too bad Ebay can't police such activities.....

I'm still very confused - the item closed for $150 but you say
you sent him $1000? Now why would that be?? Why on earth
would you send this fellow almost ten times what you owed?
Maybe that's why he took off - he was LAUGHING!!!

Then you got a refund from Paypal for $150 - the price they
show as the closing price of the auction - sounds fair to me...
seems it's YOUR fault you paid ten times too much. Why blame
Paypal?

And you still hold the guy is a ripoff artist?

I contend that you are really really confused.

JOE