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BLUE Mics vs. JZ Mics
Anybody seen this yet:
http://www.jz-recording.lv/ They claim to be the designers and manufacturers of all of the BLUE mics (other than the more recent made-in-China ones). Supposedly, BLUE's contract with them has run out, and they're selling them directly now under the "JZ recording Equipment" name. Anybody know the real scoop? Is Skipper around? |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1110669525k@trad... In article writes: I dunno but the first thing you see on their web page is a guy in a clown suit... Pal-Yat-Chee? (Spike Jones with Homer and Jethro) "When we listen to Pal-yat-chee, we get itchy and scratchy..." -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1110681045k@trad... In article t writes: I dunno but the first thing you see on their web page is a guy in a clown suit... Pal-Yat-Chee? (Spike Jones with Homer and Jethro) "When we listen to Pal-yat-chee, we get itchy and scratchy..." "This sure is top corn, so we go and buy some popcorn." or another hit: Hey there, you with your nose in the air Looks like you smell Limburger cheese Maybe it's your perfume . . . Steve I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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J. Roberts wrote:
Anybody seen this yet: http://www.jz-recording.lv/ They claim to be the designers and manufacturers of all of the BLUE mics (other than the more recent made-in-China ones). Supposedly, BLUE's contract with them has run out, and they're selling them directly now under the "JZ recording Equipment" name. This is the factory company link - but their line of mics looks a bit different than the BLUE mics. http://violet-design.com/ |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1110681045k@trad... Pal-Yat-Chee? (Spike Jones with Homer and Jethro) "When we listen to Pal-yat-chee, we get itchy and scratchy..." "This sure is top corn, so we go and buy some popcorn." "We hate to go back, but we can't get our dough back" -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN |
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"WillStG" wrote in message...
This is the factory company link - but their line of mics looks a bit different than the BLUE mics. The mics here sure don't look any different (except that the Mouse looks like it put on a bit of weight): Blueberry: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j2.html Mouse: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j2.html Dragonfly: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j4.html Baby Bottle: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j1.html |
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J. Roberts wrote:
"WillStG" wrote in message... This is the factory company link - but their line of mics looks a bit different than the BLUE mics. The mics here sure don't look any different (except that the Mouse looks like it put on a bit of weight): Blueberry: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j2.html Mouse: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j2.html Dragonfly: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j4.html Baby Bottle: http://www.jz-recording.lv/html/www_...oducts_j1.html Hey now J., you gotsta pay better attention. g Is it *that *hard to click on the link I posted? . Go to www.violet-design.com - the name should be a "hint". The jz-recording.lv site links to that site in a not really obvious way (I forget how though), and the mics ARE different than the BLUE line but with that familiar crafting/look. Will Miho NY Music and TV Audio Guy Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." Tom Waits |
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J. Roberts wrote:
Anybody seen this yet: http://www.jz-recording.lv/ They claim to be the designers and manufacturers of all of the BLUE mics (other than the more recent made-in-China ones). Supposedly, BLUE's contract with them has run out, and they're selling them directly now under the "JZ recording Equipment" name. I couldn't find the claim to be the designers of BLUE. I find the fact that they are calling them "Violet" rather disturbing. And they don't look exactly the same as the various BLUE mics. But they aren't even the first to steal the look, if that is what is going on. M-Audio already did that. Anybody know the real scoop? Is Skipper around? I hope he does tell us what is happening. Rob R. |
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Um, OK. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. They sell mic's at
the JZ site that look *exactly* like the BLUE mics. And they sell mics on the Violet site that look different. JZ has claimed to be the original designers and manufacturers of BLUE mics, and say that BLUE's contract with them has expired. If that's true, it would presumably have a *huge* impact on BLUE's business. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about this. I haven't seen BLUE comment on it, but I know that BLUE representatives read r.a.p. from time to time. "WillStG" wrote in message Hey now J., you gotsta pay better attention. g Is it *that *hard to click on the link I posted? . Go to www.violet-design.com - the name should be a "hint". |
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J. Roberts wrote: Um, OK. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. They sell mic's at the JZ site that look *exactly* like the BLUE mics. And they sell mics on the Violet site that look different. What *I* said was, the Violet mics look different. And I got there from a JZ site link - which is why I posted the link. JZ has claimed to be the original designers and manufacturers of BLUE mics, and say that BLUE's contract with them has expired. If that's true, it would presumably have a *huge* impact on BLUE's business. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about this. I haven't seen BLUE comment on it, but I know that BLUE representatives read r.a.p. from time to time. It was the original poster that made that said that - near as I can tell anyway. Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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Rob Reedijk wrote...
I couldn't find the claim to be the designers of BLUE. It's been posted to a few recording forums. This is from Violet's own forum (Violet and JZ appear to be related companies): "There is going around discussion about the question – who is designer and owner of the colored microphones sold under "Blue" name, "Violet Design" microphone line, and the coming out classic microphone line under "JZ Recording Equipment" name. Above microphone products have one private owner of the visual design, the technical design and the manufacturing technology – Mr. Juris Zarins from Latvia. First designed microphone model was "Blueberry" (named so by US trade company "Blue"). Next models - "Mouse's", "Dragonfly's", "Cactus", "Kivi", "Baby Bottle's" and a number of microphone accessories followed. The most important part of the microphone – capsules use hard to clone manufacturing technology, it prevents the original product from cheap copying and degradation of image. Product manufacturing is organised under agreement between Mr. Juris Zarins (as owner of the product) and manufacturer. During the last three years it was impossible to come to written agreement between "Blue" company and manufacturer, and as the result manufacturing of above microphone models and accessories for "Blue" was cancelled in October 2004. 57 people involved in microphone design and manufacturing are able to confirm above information. Sorry for my US English. Juris Zarins" |
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"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
... J. Roberts wrote: Anybody seen this yet: http://www.jz-recording.lv/ They claim to be the designers and manufacturers of all of the BLUE mics (other than the more recent made-in-China ones). Supposedly, BLUE's contract with them has run out, and they're selling them directly now under the "JZ recording Equipment" name. I couldn't find the claim to be the designers of BLUE. I find the fact that they are calling them "Violet" rather disturbing. And they don't look exactly the same as the various BLUE mics. But they aren't even the first to steal the look, if that is what is going on. M-Audio already did that. Anybody know the real scoop? Is Skipper around? I hope he does tell us what is happening. Rob R. Well, if the JZ-6 really is a "Baby Bottle," it's not priced too far off from the BLUE mic. The JZ-6 is listed at $550 USD, whereas MF is selling the Baby Bottle at $599 (though list is $799). If this is true, I wonder what's going to happen to BLUE. According to their website, these really are engineered and produced in Latvia, so it sounds like they may run into some trouble. Craig |
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Ty Ford wrote:
So Skipper didn't design the mics? No, the mikes were designed by Martin Saulspurens, who is Skipper's partner. The two of them basically went back and forth through a lot of iterations until Martin had built mikes that were voiced the way Skipper wanted them to sound. Martin is a smart guy, and he actually knows about mikes. He knows a few things about tensioning and backplate configuration that seem to elude most of the newer manufacturers. There is no question in my mind that he is actually a real microphone designer. Maetin and Skipper both show up together at the trade shows, and Martin's English isn't all that great but he's still a fun guy to talk to about microphones. Whether they have contracted out some or all of the actual manufacturing, I don't know. But that's a question for them. The most important part of the microphone – capsules use hard to clone manufacturing technology, it prevents the original product from cheap copying and degradation of image. Well tell that to the Chinese. The Chinese can copy the look, but none of the Chinese factories know of a correct technique to tension diaphragms evenly. This seems to be something of a minor secret in the industry even though there are a couple of different ways to do it. I have toured several microphone plants, and pretty much all of the ones that were making good condenser mikes had some room that they wouldn't let me look inside, where the diaphragms were actually attached. The Chinese will show you how they do it. In fact, the SE Electronics booth at the last AES show had on display one of the trampoline arrangements that they use. These methods, for the most part, work very poorly. Product manufacturing is organised under agreement between Mr. Juris Zarins (as owner of the product) and manufacturer. During the last three years it was impossible to come to written agreement between "Blue" company and manufacturer, and as the result manufacturing of above microphone models and accessories for "Blue" was cancelled in October 2004. 57 people involved in microphone design and manufacturing are able to confirm above information. Like whom? The question is not so much whether they did contract work for BLUE, but whether BLUE told them enough that they can actually make a complete product accurately on their own. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
No, the mikes were designed by Martin Saulspurens, who is Skipper's partner. The two of them basically went back and forth through a lot of iterations until Martin had built mikes that were voiced the way Skipper wanted them to sound. You sure about that Scott? I've corresponded briefly with Mr. Zurins, and his published statements of design and ownership sure appear confident. And IMO BLUE always came across as marketing someone else's technology... not to say that Mr. Saulespurens didn't organize or supervise particular design directions. Steve |
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Steve Scott wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: No, the mikes were designed by Martin Saulspurens, who is Skipper's partner. The two of them basically went back and forth through a lot of iterations until Martin had built mikes that were voiced the way Skipper wanted them to sound. You sure about that Scott? I've corresponded briefly with Mr. Zurins, and his published statements of design and ownership sure appear confident. And IMO BLUE always came across as marketing someone else's technology... not to say that Mr. Saulespurens didn't organize or supervise particular design directions. I'm sure about that, but I'm not sure what they may have contracted out. I do know that the first year they showed up at the AES show it was very hard to tell WHAT they were doing. They had a bunch of Russian mikes in various stages of disassembly, both vintage and new, and a lot of different mike parts that they were selling. At the time, Martins had hardly any English and my Russian is limited to asking for the bathroom and for the life of me I couldn't figure out what they were actually selling other than that they were offering mike rebuilding services of some sort. They still do mike rebuilding, and Martins knows what he's doing. That's not to say that they actually do any of the manufacturing themselves. They may have contracted all or part of it out. That's a question for Skipper. All I can really contribute is to say that one of the principals of BLUE is a real microphone engineer, which is more than most microphone vendors can say today. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: Steve Scott wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: No, the mikes were designed by Martin Saulspurens, who is Skipper's partner. The two of them basically went back and forth through a lot of iterations until Martin had built mikes that were voiced the way Skipper wanted them to sound. You sure about that Scott? I've corresponded briefly with Mr. Zurins, and his published statements of design and ownership sure appear confident. And IMO BLUE always came across as marketing someone else's technology... not to say that Mr. Saulespurens didn't organize or supervise particular design directions. I'm sure about that, but I'm not sure what they may have contracted out. snip They still do mike rebuilding, and Martins knows what he's doing. That's not to say that they actually do any of the manufacturing themselves. They may have contracted all or part of it out. That's a question for Skipper. All I can really contribute is to say that one of the principals of BLUE is a real microphone engineer, which is more than most microphone vendors can say today. Well, I just thought it was interesting that I can't find any Blue mics in stock anywhere, except for the random old-stock straggler. And the JZ and Violet folks both seem to be shipping them right now. If Martins owned those designs I'd think his Blue company would still be selling them. But now Blue is offering "Red" through their vintagemicrophone.com site. They have one mic available. Also on that site is this statement: -- "We do not offer service or repair work for any microphone. All of the parts and accessories we have to offer are accessible here through the online store. If you can't find it, we don't have it. Click here for a list of links we have compiled for your convenience regarding information, parts, and services not offered by us." That sure sounds like they're out of the restoration business. I'm not too concerned one way or the other, I just think if Juris Zarins is the original engineer and designer, then he certainly should be recognized and compensated. AFAIK there has not been any public comment from Blue on this matter, and "Mr. Burn" hasn't posted here for a long time... shrugs Steve |
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I have been in touch with Ari Soudak and he has sent me this:
Statement regarding Violet Designs and JZ Recording: As is common in our industry, when you do something well, everyone wants a piece of it. The microphone marketplace has been flooded with look-alike products that promise equal performance for less. As manufacturers, we believe that consumers will be "once bitten, twice shy." This is one of our primary motivations for designing uniquely styled and superior performing products. Furthermore, we would strongly caution buyers from buying products of dubious design and origin. We are aware of the activities of Violet Design and JZ Recording, which involve the unauthorized production and attempt to sell copies of several Blue products. They are indeed in violation of our trademark, trade dress and intellectual property rights. These parties have also attempted to mislead our distributors and customers about the origins and identity of our products. Our legal department is handling the situation. As we at Blue Microphones celebrate our 10th anniversary, we maintain the same commitment to sonic quality, innovative design, and integrity that has won us the accolades of critics, retailers, and customers the world over. The recent announcement of our distribution partnership with Telex Communications and Electro Voice Microphones is a sign of the quality and growth you should expect from Blue Microphones from now and into the future. Sincerely, Blue Management Furthermore, there is this article: http://prosoundnews.com/articles/article_1644.shtml Which shows you that BLUE is very much alive. Rob R. |
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Mike Rivers wrote: I'm sure he has been compensated. Do you know who designed any microphone (other than Stephen Sank's father, because we're read about him here) before about five years ago when we started becoming conscious of these things? I didn't write that very well... I know what you mean about the "boutique" designers now vs. regular old factory mic engineers, I wasn't really concerned about those "bragging rights". I was just remarking that there apparently is a dispute underway about ownership for future mfg rights -- it often happens that original founders/owners/designers/whatever get the short end due to having less lawyer money, etc. And I don't like it, for whichever one may lose out here. As a mechanical engineer I deal with a lot of similar kinds of marketing and manufacturing pressure to "control" my designs -- it can turn into manipulation pretty easily sometimes. Rob, I saw that post on the Blue forum too. Sounds like everyone's convinced they are right, I guess it'll be a legal discussion now. Steve |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
I'm sure he has been compensated. Do you know who designed any microphone (other than Stephen Sank's father, because we're read about him here) before about five years ago when we started becoming conscious of these things? How about Misters Shure? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Steve Scott wrote:
Rob, I saw that post on the Blue forum too. Sounds like everyone's convinced they are right, I guess it'll be a legal discussion now. Perhaps. But at this point, anyone buying a JZ or Violet mic thinking they are buying a BLUE mic are fools with their money soon parted. Rob R. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: I'm sure he has been compensated. Do you know who designed any microphone (other than Stephen Sank's father, because we're read about him here) before about five years ago when we started becoming conscious of these things? How about Misters Shure? Harry Olson? Georg Neumann? Peace, Paul |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 18:03:18 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote: "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: I'm sure he has been compensated. Do you know who designed any microphone (other than Stephen Sank's father, because we're read about him here) before about five years ago when we started becoming conscious of these things? How about Misters Shure? Harry Olson? Georg Neumann? Uli Behringer? just kidding... Al |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1111158511k@trad... In article writes: Do you know who designed any microphone (other than Stephen Sank's father, because we're read about him here) before about five years ago when we started becoming conscious of these things? How about Misters Shure? Don't they make cough drops? Nah, that's the Brothers Grimm. Neil Henderson |
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Rob Reedijk wrote:
Steve Scott wrote: Rob, I saw that post on the Blue forum too. Sounds like everyone's convinced they are right, I guess it'll be a legal discussion now. Perhaps. But at this point, anyone buying a JZ or Violet mic thinking they are buying a BLUE mic are fools with their money soon parted. Rob R. Speaking of which, did you guys see that someone on Ebay named "Envisionmusic" - who says he's a regular on this group - came back from China with 6 "U95S" Chinese clones? That look *exactly* like my Soundelux U95S, except for the case, power supply, and of course the capsule by "Blue" (dunno about the tube)... And he just sold one for $1312!!!! Ouch. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES " The large proint giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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On 18 Mar 2005 19:59:05 -0800, "WillStG" wrote:
Rob Reedijk wrote: Steve Scott wrote: Rob, I saw that post on the Blue forum too. Sounds like everyone's convinced they are right, I guess it'll be a legal discussion now. Perhaps. But at this point, anyone buying a JZ or Violet mic thinking they are buying a BLUE mic are fools with their money soon parted. Rob R. Speaking of which, did you guys see that someone on Ebay named "Envisionmusic" - who says he's a regular on this group - came back from China with 6 "U95S" Chinese clones? That look *exactly* like my Soundelux U95S, except for the case, power supply, and of course the capsule by "Blue" (dunno about the tube)... And he just sold one for $1312!!!! Ouch. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT Since he bought six I bet he paid about $400 apiece for them... nice. Al |
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In article znr1111158511k@trad, (Mike Rivers)
wrote: In article writes: Do you know who designed any microphone (other than Stephen Sank's father, because we're read about him here) before about five years ago when we started becoming conscious of these things? How about Misters Shure? Don't they make cough drops? Nope, that's a Whilrwind product ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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In article ,
says... I have been in touch with Ari Soudak and he has sent me this: Statement regarding Violet Designs and JZ Recording: [snip] That's awful vague. I am sure their legal department carefully crafted that non-statement, but considering the big boost BLUE has had from the Web, and Skipper's normal near-constant presence here, I'd feel better with a statement explaining just what JZ's relationship with BLUE was, what involvement he had with those mic designs, and whether BLUE has a commitment to keep manufacturing them. This is antithetical to traditional business-law practices, but it's inimical to modern Internet communications. BLUE needs a presence boost. -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler |
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Jay Levitt wrote:
In article , says... I have been in touch with Ari Soudak and he has sent me this: Statement regarding Violet Designs and JZ Recording: [snip] [Partial Unsnip] "We are aware of the activities of Violet Design and JZ Recording, which involve the unauthorized production and attempt to sell copies of several Blue products. They are indeed in violation of our trademark, trade dress and intellectual property rights. These parties have also attempted to mislead our distributors and customers about the origins and identity of our products. Our legal department is handling the situation." That's awful vague. I think it's pretty clear. I am sure their legal department carefully crafted that non-statement, but considering the big boost BLUE has had from the Web, and Skipper's normal near-constant presence here, I'd feel better with a statement explaining just what JZ's relationship with BLUE was, what involvement he had with those mic designs, and whether BLUE has a commitment to keep manufacturing them. This is antithetical to traditional business-law practices, but it's inimical to modern Internet communications. BLUE needs a presence boost. I have to say I agree with you on one point and that is that Skipper hasn't chimed in. And he should. On the other hand, JZ, and the posters who have repeated his statements really have no background to what they are saying. I have yet to hear one person who is actually connected with the business (as opposed to a couple of guys who recently began posting here) substantiate JZ/Violet's claims. Rob R. |
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In article ,
says... I have yet to hear one person who is actually connected with the business (as opposed to a couple of guys who recently began posting here) substantiate JZ/Violet's claims. Ditto, substitute "refute" for "substantiate". -- Jay Levitt | Wellesley, MA | I feel calm. I feel ready. I can only Faster: jay at jay dot fm | conclude that's because I don't have a http://www.jay.fm | full grasp of the situation. - Mark Adler |
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Could it be possible that Skipper doesn't want to respond because of
pending legal action? Al On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:23:05 -0500, Jay Levitt wrote: In article , says... I have yet to hear one person who is actually connected with the business (as opposed to a couple of guys who recently began posting here) substantiate JZ/Violet's claims. Ditto, substitute "refute" for "substantiate". |
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"play on" wrote in message ... Could it be possible that Skipper doesn't want to respond because of pending legal action? Could be... then maybe we should ask him to respond based on whatever he can say that wouldn't be affected by said legal action? Surely he has to be able to say SOMETHING, if indeed he wants to. Personally, I'd certainly be interested in what's going on... I'm a big fan of B.L.U.E., having six of their mics (Kiwi, Blueberry, 2x Baby Bottles, and 2x of "The Ball") - I'd like to know just from a current consumer & "might definitely buy more in the future" standpoint. Neil Henderson |
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Well, those of us expecting V7 of Samplitude were finally slowing down on
yelling about Magix' move to Emagic as distributor, only to find that Apple purchased Emagic right out from under the then current distribution agreement Magix had already signed. And we got not one word or hint prior to the announcement from the Magix guys. So it's highly likely that if there are legal considerations to be determined, then there won't be prior word about what's happening. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Neil Henderson" wrote in message m... "play on" wrote in message ... Could it be possible that Skipper doesn't want to respond because of pending legal action? Could be... then maybe we should ask him to respond based on whatever he can say that wouldn't be affected by said legal action? Surely he has to be able to say SOMETHING, if indeed he wants to. Personally, I'd certainly be interested in what's going on... I'm a big fan of B.L.U.E., having six of their mics (Kiwi, Blueberry, 2x Baby Bottles, and 2x of "The Ball") - I'd like to know just from a current consumer & "might definitely buy more in the future" standpoint. Neil Henderson |
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I have to say I agree with you on one point and that is that Skipper hasn't chimed in. And he should. On the other hand, JZ, and the posters who have repeated his statements really have no background to what they are saying. I have yet to hear one person who is actually connected with the business (as opposed to a couple of guys who recently began posting here) substantiate JZ/Violet's claims. Rob R. That Skipper hasn't posted anything tells me a lot. Regards, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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