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talk and then a shout
hello all,
when recording a mono vocal audio track which contains a verse which is 'talking level' and then for the next part (chorus) contains shouting - whats the best way to do this? the problem is, i need to turn the gain right down on the mic to leave enough headroom for the shout but i dont want to do the verse/chorus in different takes - to keep the natural feeling element. this means obviously my verse is really quiet. or if i have the gain up, i have to stand back from the mic which means the shout isn't in-ur-face enough. i've thought about a hardware compressor between the mic and track, but am wondering if this is really necessary? i've tinkered with preset software compressions (which admittedly i dont have a full understanding of), but then im concerned im bringing the verse level up too high and the chorus loses its impact. could anyone provide me with the kind of settings i should be looking for - im using cubase 2, so i can use the inbuilt VST as an example. many thanks Luke |
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"LuKeNuKuM" writes:
hello all, when recording a mono vocal audio track which contains a verse which is 'talking level' and then for the next part (chorus) contains shouting - whats the best way to do this? Luke You could try setting up 2 mics then comping the track. |
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thats a neat idea :-) hmmm, now to find another similar mic!
thanks Luke |
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On 28 Jan 2005 06:54:10 -0800, "LuKeNuKuM"
wrote: thats a neat idea :-) hmmm, now to find another similar mic! thanks Why similar? :-) Was watching the Simon and Garfunkle DVD of their recent two showing photos of the days when they would both sing and play into two "different" mics. Probably more for ambience. Best, Andy |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:15:19 GMT, (Andy Eng)
wrote: Was watching the Simon and Garfunkle DVD of their recent two showing photos of the days when they would both sing and play into two "different" mics. Probably more for ambience. Or one for PA, one for recording. CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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If the guy is shouting then it's going to sound different anyway, I
think unless the mics sound radically different it could be OK to use two different ones. I'd record two separate tracks, one set for the shouting levels, one for the quietier level. Al On 28 Jan 2005 06:54:10 -0800, "LuKeNuKuM" wrote: thats a neat idea :-) hmmm, now to find another similar mic! thanks Luke |
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thanks for all the advice. after a bit of testing, i found in my case
the best solution was to do 2 takes (same mic) adjusting the gain each time, this has given me a fairly natural sound, but also one which has allowed me to bring the verse up and the chorus down without having all my eggs in one basket. i also did all the verses first, then on the second pass did the choruses, this meant there was continuity throughout the 'song' and the chorus yells were warmed up! cheers all! Luke |
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when recording a mono vocal audio track which contains a verse which is
'talking level' and then for the next part (chorus) contains shouting - whats the best way to do this? the problem is, i need to turn the gain right down on the mic to leave enough headroom for the shout but i dont want to do the verse/chorus in different takes - to keep the natural feeling element. this means obviously my verse is really quiet. or if i have the gain up, i have to stand back from the mic which means the shout isn't in-ur-face enough. How about doing multiple passes of the whole track; some passes with the mic chain set up for the talking, some passes with the mic chain set up for the shouting. Then you still get your natural feeling, but you can comp the two sections together. Or, how about two separate mics next to each other with two separate chains set up, one optimized for talking, the other for shouting, to two separate tracks of your DAW, then comp them together? -- Eric Frampton, keyboards Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://www.ericframpton.com (remove the year from the email address above to get my real address) |
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How about doing multiple passes of the whole track; some passes with
the mic chain set up for the talking, some passes with the mic chain set up for the shouting. Then you still get your natural feeling, but you can comp the two sections together. im glad i posted now! i'll try this one, :-D thanks v much Eric. Luke |
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LuKeNuKuM wrote:
when recording a mono vocal audio track which contains a verse which is 'talking level' and then for the next part (chorus) contains shouting - whats the best way to do this? Record it at the highest level before clipping, then adjust the levels in mixdown. the problem is, i need to turn the gain right down on the mic to leave enough headroom for the shout but i dont want to do the verse/chorus in different takes - to keep the natural feeling element. this means obviously my verse is really quiet. or if i have the gain up, i have to stand back from the mic which means the shout isn't in-ur-face enough. Yes, but you can adjust the level when you are mixing and you do not have to do it in tracking. i've thought about a hardware compressor between the mic and track, but am wondering if this is really necessary? It's not, and even if you use one, you will probably still want to be riding gain on mixdown to keep it from pumping too much. could anyone provide me with the kind of settings i should be looking for - im using cubase 2, so i can use the inbuilt VST as an example. many thanks Arny's favorite tool, the volume envelope, is probably the way to go if you are not using a console and have to do it all on the workstation. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Bryson wrote: Yeah, like Mike said, "with todays tools, it's easier than ever". Set the level for the loud parts and go. Don't worry that the soft parts aren't making huge waveforms. You can automate levels later, or seperate the parts and normalize the soft stuff, whatever you want. I'd surely compress the monitoring/cue/playback for the voc during tracking though. I used to always use two mikes and two channels for this type of thing, but not as much now "with todays tools". Still, there are occasions where the screaming parts will sound better with a different mike/preamp/signalpath anyway. Or not. This is one of the great things about 24 bit recording, you *don't* have to push your digital levels hard to get it to sound good. But it is worth mentioning that a vocalist should learn to work the mic a bit, they should turn their head or pull back off a bit when they hit the loud parts to match the songs dynamics, and I developed the habit somewhere along the way of riding a vocalist's fader send (precompressor) just a bit when thay are doing that kind of thing, to help them out some when they don't know how to do that. Of course YMMV. Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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"LuKeNuKuM" wrote in message oups.com... hello all, when recording a mono vocal audio track which contains a verse which is 'talking level' and then for the next part (chorus) contains shouting - whats the best way to do this? Luke Another way to do it is to mult the mic into two channels on the board. Adjust the gain for each channel to correspond to the section it is to serve. Then, actively switch the channels on/off at the appropriate times. Mike |