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Crazy market saturation!
Having just recently gotten serious about car audio, I performed my
usual routine of learning a new subject through intensive research and data collection. What I found really surprised me, being an amazingly flooded market with over a hundred brands for each component. How can this many companies succeed in the current economy? It also makes choosing products a serious headache for the informed purchaser, I've already spend far too many hours comparing them and am still torn between over a dozen options. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Aaron Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro Ample Audio ARC Audio Audiobahn Audiobank Audiopipe Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Audiovox (Prestige, Rampage, SPS) Autotek Avionixx Bazooka Becker Blaupunkt BM Audio Labs (Boschmann) Boss Boston Acoustics Butler Audio Cadence Cerwin Vega Clarion Concept Coustic Crossfire Crunch Crystal Mobile Sound Cyclone Debezt Audio (Discontinued?) DHD Power Cruiser Diamond Audio Diesel Digital Audio Directed Audio (DEI) DLS Dual Earthquake Sound Eclipse Emerson Esoteric Audio Fusion Genesis GS Designs (Discontinued?) Harrison Labs Hart Professional Hertz HiFonics Hollywood Sound Labs Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio JVC Jensen Kenwood Kicker Kole Audio Kove Audio L.A. Sound Lanzar Legacy Audio (Discontinued?) Lightning Audio Linear Power Logic Soundlab MA Audio Massive Audio McIntosh Memphis Car Audio Mobile Authority (Thump!) MTX Nakamichi Obcon Orion Performance Teknique Phoenix Gold Pioneer Planet Audio Power Acoustik Poweramper Precision Power (PPI) Profile Pyle Pyramid Reactor Resonant Engineering Rockford Fosgate Rockwood Sinfoni Sony Soundstream SPL Swiss Audio Ultimate US Acoustics US Amps Viper Audio Visonik Völfenhag Xtant Zapco Zenas Audio |
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CatalystX wrote: Having just recently gotten serious about car audio, I performed my usual routine of learning a new subject through intensive research and data collection. What I found really surprised me, being an amazingly flooded market with over a hundred brands for each component. How can this many companies succeed in the current economy? Im no business expert... I have a hunch the mark up on car audio amplifiers is huge (generally). Many contract mass fabrication houses around the world to stuff components for a very small fraction of the retail asking prices. I dont think Legacy or G/S are discontinued, someone please correct me ? My favs: Hifonics VIII amps for highs and midbass, Crunch V-600 for sub-bass. Pics: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_26_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...8_107_full.jpg Odin PCB: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_71_full.jpg Vulcan PCB: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_72_full.jpg V-600 and PCB http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_95_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_70_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_63_full.jpg Honorable mention, Crunch V-150 Bought this for $12 on ebay :~) http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_62_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_61_full.jpg It also makes choosing products a serious headache for the informed purchaser, I've already spend far too many hours comparing them and am still torn between over a dozen options. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Aaron Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro Ample Audio ARC Audio Audiobahn Audiobank Audiopipe Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Audiovox (Prestige, Rampage, SPS) Autotek Avionixx Bazooka Becker Blaupunkt BM Audio Labs (Boschmann) Boss Boston Acoustics Butler Audio Cadence Cerwin Vega Clarion Concept Coustic Crossfire Crunch Crystal Mobile Sound Cyclone Debezt Audio (Discontinued?) DHD Power Cruiser Diamond Audio Diesel Digital Audio Directed Audio (DEI) DLS Dual Earthquake Sound Eclipse Emerson Esoteric Audio Fusion Genesis GS Designs (Discontinued?) Harrison Labs Hart Professional Hertz HiFonics Hollywood Sound Labs Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio JVC Jensen Kenwood Kicker Kole Audio Kove Audio L.A. Sound Lanzar Legacy Audio (Discontinued?) Lightning Audio Linear Power Logic Soundlab MA Audio Massive Audio McIntosh Memphis Car Audio Mobile Authority (Thump!) MTX Nakamichi Obcon Orion Performance Teknique Phoenix Gold Pioneer Planet Audio Power Acoustik Poweramper Precision Power (PPI) Profile Pyle Pyramid Reactor Resonant Engineering Rockford Fosgate Rockwood Sinfoni Sony Soundstream SPL Swiss Audio Ultimate US Acoustics US Amps Viper Audio Visonik Völfenhag Xtant Zapco Zenas Audio |
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Crazy market saturation!
I remember considering that crunch amplifer long ago. Does it sound good at
all (SQ wise), or just cheap power? Think it really puts out the RMS figures it claims? Ben "sanitarium" wrote in message ... CatalystX wrote: Having just recently gotten serious about car audio, I performed my usual routine of learning a new subject through intensive research and data collection. What I found really surprised me, being an amazingly flooded market with over a hundred brands for each component. How can this many companies succeed in the current economy? Im no business expert... I have a hunch the mark up on car audio amplifiers is huge (generally). Many contract mass fabrication houses around the world to stuff components for a very small fraction of the retail asking prices. I dont think Legacy or G/S are discontinued, someone please correct me ? My favs: Hifonics VIII amps for highs and midbass, Crunch V-600 for sub-bass. Pics: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_26_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...8_107_full.jpg Odin PCB: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_71_full.jpg Vulcan PCB: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_72_full.jpg V-600 and PCB http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_95_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_70_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_63_full.jpg Honorable mention, Crunch V-150 Bought this for $12 on ebay :~) http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_62_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_61_full.jpg It also makes choosing products a serious headache for the informed purchaser, I've already spend far too many hours comparing them and am still torn between over a dozen options. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Aaron Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro Ample Audio ARC Audio Audiobahn Audiobank Audiopipe Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Audiovox (Prestige, Rampage, SPS) Autotek Avionixx Bazooka Becker Blaupunkt BM Audio Labs (Boschmann) Boss Boston Acoustics Butler Audio Cadence Cerwin Vega Clarion Concept Coustic Crossfire Crunch Crystal Mobile Sound Cyclone Debezt Audio (Discontinued?) DHD Power Cruiser Diamond Audio Diesel Digital Audio Directed Audio (DEI) DLS Dual Earthquake Sound Eclipse Emerson Esoteric Audio Fusion Genesis GS Designs (Discontinued?) Harrison Labs Hart Professional Hertz HiFonics Hollywood Sound Labs Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio JVC Jensen Kenwood Kicker Kole Audio Kove Audio L.A. Sound Lanzar Legacy Audio (Discontinued?) Lightning Audio Linear Power Logic Soundlab MA Audio Massive Audio McIntosh Memphis Car Audio Mobile Authority (Thump!) MTX Nakamichi Obcon Orion Performance Teknique Phoenix Gold Pioneer Planet Audio Power Acoustik Poweramper Precision Power (PPI) Profile Pyle Pyramid Reactor Resonant Engineering Rockford Fosgate Rockwood Sinfoni Sony Soundstream SPL Swiss Audio Ultimate US Acoustics US Amps Viper Audio Visonik Völfenhag Xtant Zapco Zenas Audio |
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Crazy market saturation!
"Ben Rakestraw" wrote in message news:GQDPb.99462$5V2.340933@attbi_s53... I remember considering that crunch amplifer long ago. Does it sound good at all (SQ wise), or just cheap power? Think it really puts out the RMS figures it claims? According to the "experts" in this newsgroup, any $49 amp sound identical to any $5000 amp so it does not matter. I know, I know. Zarella and Vina can be hard-headed...but sheesh. A little common sense would do them some good. |
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Crazy market saturation!
According to the "experts" in this newsgroup, any $49 amp sound identical
to any $5000 amp so it does not matter. Even though you have our arguments wrong, at least you know your place. |
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Crazy market saturation!
IMHO it sounds very good as a sub-bass amp. Never tried it on the
higher freq's. I dont have much to bench mark it with though. To my ears it probably doesn't sound that different from the Earthquake PA-2300 I had eons ago. But then again my subs are different now versus then. IMHO its good solid power. Toss out the mfg specs though. They spec 1Kw bridged into 4 ohms. They do about 815x1 into 4 ohms, slightly more into 2 ohms mono. I got these for $70 each used in 9/10 on ebay. So IMHO its a good used bargain. So far they have been reliable too. Garrett Ben Rakestraw wrote: I remember considering that crunch amplifer long ago. Does it sound good at all (SQ wise), or just cheap power? Think it really puts out the RMS figures it claims? Ben "sanitarium" wrote in message ... CatalystX wrote: Having just recently gotten serious about car audio, I performed my usual routine of learning a new subject through intensive research and data collection. What I found really surprised me, being an amazingly flooded market with over a hundred brands for each component. How can this many companies succeed in the current economy? Im no business expert... I have a hunch the mark up on car audio amplifiers is huge (generally). Many contract mass fabrication houses around the world to stuff components for a very small fraction of the retail asking prices. I dont think Legacy or G/S are discontinued, someone please correct me ? My favs: Hifonics VIII amps for highs and midbass, Crunch V-600 for sub-bass. Pics: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_26_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...8_107_full.jpg Odin PCB: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_71_full.jpg Vulcan PCB: http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_72_full.jpg V-600 and PCB http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_95_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_70_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_63_full.jpg Honorable mention, Crunch V-150 Bought this for $12 on ebay :~) http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_62_full.jpg http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...68_61_full.jpg It also makes choosing products a serious headache for the informed purchaser, I've already spend far too many hours comparing them and am still torn between over a dozen options. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Aaron Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro Ample Audio ARC Audio Audiobahn Audiobank Audiopipe Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Audiovox (Prestige, Rampage, SPS) Autotek Avionixx Bazooka Becker Blaupunkt BM Audio Labs (Boschmann) Boss Boston Acoustics Butler Audio Cadence Cerwin Vega Clarion Concept Coustic Crossfire Crunch Crystal Mobile Sound Cyclone Debezt Audio (Discontinued?) DHD Power Cruiser Diamond Audio Diesel Digital Audio Directed Audio (DEI) DLS Dual Earthquake Sound Eclipse Emerson Esoteric Audio Fusion Genesis GS Designs (Discontinued?) Harrison Labs Hart Professional Hertz HiFonics Hollywood Sound Labs Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio JVC Jensen Kenwood Kicker Kole Audio Kove Audio L.A. Sound Lanzar Legacy Audio (Discontinued?) Lightning Audio Linear Power Logic Soundlab MA Audio Massive Audio McIntosh Memphis Car Audio Mobile Authority (Thump!) MTX Nakamichi Obcon Orion Performance Teknique Phoenix Gold Pioneer Planet Audio Power Acoustik Poweramper Precision Power (PPI) Profile Pyle Pyramid Reactor Resonant Engineering Rockford Fosgate Rockwood Sinfoni Sony Soundstream SPL Swiss Audio Ultimate US Acoustics US Amps Viper Audio Visonik Völfenhag Xtant Zapco Zenas Audio |
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Crazy market saturation!
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CatalystX wrote: Aaron i'd go with anything on this list... a/d/s Alpine ARC Audio Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Autotek Butler Audio Crossfire Crunch Directed Audio (DEI) HiFonics Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio Kenwood Kicker Lanzar Linear Power McIntosh Memphis Car Audio MTX Orion Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Precision Power (PPI) Profile Soundstream US Acoustics US Amps Xtant Zapco -- cyrus *coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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Crazy market saturation!
Just out of curiosity, Why did you leave, Rockford Fosgate off the list?
Thanks, Shane "cyrus" wrote in message ... In article , CatalystX wrote: Aaron i'd go with anything on this list... a/d/s Alpine ARC Audio Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Autotek Butler Audio Crossfire Crunch Directed Audio (DEI) HiFonics Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio Kenwood Kicker Lanzar Linear Power McIntosh Memphis Car Audio MTX Orion Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Precision Power (PPI) Profile Soundstream US Acoustics US Amps Xtant Zapco -- cyrus *coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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Crazy market saturation!
I would leave them off my list too! My old RF amps were great new ones like
to let the magic smoke out. "Shane Metzler" wrote in message ... Just out of curiosity, Why did you leave, Rockford Fosgate off the list? Thanks, Shane "cyrus" wrote in message ... In article , CatalystX wrote: Aaron i'd go with anything on this list... a/d/s Alpine ARC Audio Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Autotek Butler Audio Crossfire Crunch Directed Audio (DEI) HiFonics Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio Kenwood Kicker Lanzar Linear Power McIntosh Memphis Car Audio MTX Orion Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Precision Power (PPI) Profile Soundstream US Acoustics US Amps Xtant Zapco -- cyrus *coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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Crazy market saturation!
That's surprising. I haven't seen an incredible amount of faulty RF amps,
even considering that they're one of the biggest sellers (if not the biggest). "wicked1" wrote in message ... I would leave them off my list too! My old RF amps were great new ones like to let the magic smoke out. "Shane Metzler" wrote in message ... Just out of curiosity, Why did you leave, Rockford Fosgate off the list? Thanks, Shane "cyrus" wrote in message ... In article , CatalystX wrote: Aaron i'd go with anything on this list... a/d/s Alpine ARC Audio Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Autotek Butler Audio Crossfire Crunch Directed Audio (DEI) HiFonics Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio Kenwood Kicker Lanzar Linear Power McIntosh Memphis Car Audio MTX Orion Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Precision Power (PPI) Profile Soundstream US Acoustics US Amps Xtant Zapco -- cyrus *coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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Crazy market saturation!
I had 1 that went up in smoke twice while it was under warranty. I sold it
thereafter. I have had a few friends that have had the same thing happen.They did have great warranty service though. "Mark Zarella" wrote in message ... That's surprising. I haven't seen an incredible amount of faulty RF amps, even considering that they're one of the biggest sellers (if not the biggest). "wicked1" wrote in message ... I would leave them off my list too! My old RF amps were great new ones like to let the magic smoke out. "Shane Metzler" wrote in message ... Just out of curiosity, Why did you leave, Rockford Fosgate off the list? Thanks, Shane "cyrus" wrote in message ... In article , CatalystX wrote: Aaron i'd go with anything on this list... a/d/s Alpine ARC Audio Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Autotek Butler Audio Crossfire Crunch Directed Audio (DEI) HiFonics Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio Kenwood Kicker Lanzar Linear Power McIntosh Memphis Car Audio MTX Orion Phoenix Gold Planet Audio Precision Power (PPI) Profile Soundstream US Acoustics US Amps Xtant Zapco -- cyrus *coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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Crazy market saturation!
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"Shane Metzler" wrote: Just out of curiosity, Why did you leave, Rockford Fosgate off the list? Thanks, Shane no reason.. i was really impressed by my punch 60ix. -- cyrus *coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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Crazy market saturation!
How can
this many companies succeed in the current economy? I dunno. There's a sucker born every minute? |
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Crazy market saturation!
that's "a/d/s/", if you please.
JD if I had a nickel for every time the last slash got left of our logo... CatalystX wrote: Having just recently gotten serious about car audio, I performed my usual routine of learning a new subject through intensive research and data collection. What I found really surprised me, being an amazingly flooded market with over a hundred brands for each component. How can this many companies succeed in the current economy? It also makes choosing products a serious headache for the informed purchaser, I've already spend far too many hours comparing them and am still torn between over a dozen options. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Aaron Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro Ample Audio ARC Audio Audiobahn Audiobank Audiopipe Audison Audiotec Fischer (Brax & Helix) Audiovox (Prestige, Rampage, SPS) Autotek Avionixx Bazooka Becker Blaupunkt BM Audio Labs (Boschmann) Boss Boston Acoustics Butler Audio Cadence Cerwin Vega Clarion Concept Coustic Crossfire Crunch Crystal Mobile Sound Cyclone Debezt Audio (Discontinued?) DHD Power Cruiser Diamond Audio Diesel Digital Audio Directed Audio (DEI) DLS Dual Earthquake Sound Eclipse Emerson Esoteric Audio Fusion Genesis GS Designs (Discontinued?) Harrison Labs Hart Professional Hertz HiFonics Hollywood Sound Labs Infinity Interfire JBL JL Audio JVC Jensen Kenwood Kicker Kole Audio Kove Audio L.A. Sound Lanzar Legacy Audio (Discontinued?) Lightning Audio Linear Power Logic Soundlab MA Audio Massive Audio McIntosh Memphis Car Audio Mobile Authority (Thump!) MTX Nakamichi Obcon Orion Performance Teknique Phoenix Gold Pioneer Planet Audio Power Acoustik Poweramper Precision Power (PPI) Profile Pyle Pyramid Reactor Resonant Engineering Rockford Fosgate Rockwood Sinfoni Sony Soundstream SPL Swiss Audio Ultimate US Acoustics US Amps Viper Audio Visonik Völfenhag Xtant Zapco Zenas Audio |
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Crazy market saturation!
The best part of this thread is........
the OP is talking about Markey saturation of amplifiers and a/d/s/ doesn't even make amps.........anymore. that's "a/d/s/", if you please. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro |
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neither does Viper Audio (also on the list), if you want to get
technical... but we have plenty of a/d/s/ ones in stock still. JD Masterson wrote: The best part of this thread is........ the OP is talking about Markey saturation of amplifiers and a/d/s/ doesn't even make amps.........anymore. that's "a/d/s/", if you please. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro |
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The best part of this thread is........
the OP is talking about market saturation of amplifiers and a/d/s/ doesn't even make amps.........anymore. that's "a/d/s/", if you please. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro |
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WTF are you babbling about? Who told you they weren't making amps anymore?
Good old JD has already let us know they have some new a/d/s/ amps coming out. Paul Vina "Masterson" wrote in message ... The best part of this thread is........ the OP is talking about market saturation of amplifiers and a/d/s/ doesn't even make amps.........anymore. that's "a/d/s/", if you please. To illustrate this insanity, I've included the list of 105 amplifier brands I compiled with only a moderately thorough search. Some are obviously crap quality, but they still sell enough to be in business. What do you guys think of this situation? If you were to boil them all down to your favorite 20 companies, which would you choose? Absolute Adcom a/d/s Alpine American Bass American Pro |
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OMG ....
Paul....you are usually much more calm. Ummmmm......I was at CES...talking to DEI, and Karen Metros (VP) and they both told me no amps. There were no amps displayed. a/d/s/ has only two 3 series speakers, two 2 series speakers, and four subs in the line up.... Sorry this upsets you......it upsets me also. PS....I cant find anywhere where JD said anything about new amps. Help me out.....where? WTF are you babbling about? Who told you they weren't making amps anymore? Good old JD has already let us know they have some new a/d/s/ amps coming The best part of this thread is........ the OP is talking about market saturation of amplifiers and a/d/s/ doesn't even make amps.........anymore. |
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That was my bad, I had a rough day and I was venting. It was a series of
emails between me and JD, but I could have misread it, we talked about all of their product lines and what was going to be coming out. Still bummed about it though. I really like a/d/s/ amps. Sorry about the venting. Paul Vina "Masterson" wrote in message ... OMG .... Paul....you are usually much more calm. Ummmmm......I was at CES...talking to DEI, and Karen Metros (VP) and they both told me no amps. There were no amps displayed. a/d/s/ has only two 3 series speakers, two 2 series speakers, and four subs in the line up.... Sorry this upsets you......it upsets me also. PS....I cant find anywhere where JD said anything about new amps. Help me out.....where? WTF are you babbling about? Who told you they weren't making amps anymore? Good old JD has already let us know they have some new a/d/s/ amps coming The best part of this thread is........ the OP is talking about market saturation of amplifiers and a/d/s/ doesn't even make amps.........anymore. |
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