[Andre Jute]

Why is Poopie (1) two cheeks short of being an asshole?

It can't be only because he's old and bitter.

It can't be only because he is an incompetent.

It can't be only because he is a braggart.

It can't be only because he is ugly.

It can't be only because he is a fascist and a hypocrite.

There's gotta be a bigger reason than even this collection of petty
failings to create such a petty man.

So why is Poopie two cheeks short of being an asshole?

--A public service riddle by Andre Jute

(1) Graham Stevenson aka "Eeyore"
, who claims to be an
electronics engineer and designer but who is known to earn his living
micing tenthrate pub acts.

[Gutter Butt]

Andre Jute wrote:
Why is Poopie (1) two cheeks short of being an asshole?

It can't be only because he's old and bitter.

It can't be only because he is an incompetent.

It can't be only because he is a braggart.

It can't be only because he is ugly.

It can't be only because he is a fascist and a hypocrite.

There's gotta be a bigger reason than even this collection of petty
failings to create such a petty man.

So why is Poopie two cheeks short of being an asshole?

--A public service riddle by Andre Jute

(1) Graham Stevenson aka "Eeyore"
, who claims to be an
electronics engineer and designer but who is known to earn his living
micing tenthrate pub acts.

WHEW THANK GOD FOR A MINUTE THERE I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
**ME**!!!! AND I WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT NICE!!!!!!!!!!!

UGGGGGGGGGGGN WATCH ME POOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Eeyore]

Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

[Gutter Butt]

Eeyore wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

SO DOES THE SHOE FIT OR NOT, I HONESTLY CAN'T TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGGGGGGGGN MY SHOES ARE FILLED WITH FOAMY
POO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lord Valve]

Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

Actually, I thought it was fairly interesting.

Unlike most of the vapid America-hating horse-**** *you*
spew.

Lord Valve
Arrogant Rightwing *******

[[email protected]]

Gutter Butt wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

SO DOES THE SHOE FIT OR NOT, I HONESTLY CAN'T TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGGGGGGGGN MY SHOES ARE FILLED WITH FOAMY
POO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A breath of fresh RAO air.
Mr. Jute is late answering this interesting message in the interesting
discussion he interestingly initiated..
Ludovic Mirabel

[tubegarden]

Hi RATs!

OK, I got a power transformer which will drive an 845 without a bunch
of voltage doublers, triplers, whatever 105/115/125 primary 1400/700
secondary. Model is 901367.

I am going to use a choke input PS filter, with a 100uF 2000V oil cap.
Maybe more, will listen and decide.

866 MV (mercury vapor) rectifiers.

Initial OPT will be two One-Electron ubt-2 with primaries in series and
secondaries in parallel. Each primary will have a parallel resistor to
reduce ringing and other boisterous behavior. DCR of R to be between 5
and 10X the primary Z.

I love this techno talk

The DCR of the PT secondary is 38 ohms. Same as the like sized (BIG)
choke I am going to use

Happy Ears!

Al

[Scott Dorsey]

In article .com,
wrote:

Gutter Butt wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

SO DOES THE SHOE FIT OR NOT, I HONESTLY CAN'T TELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGGGGGGGGN MY SHOES ARE FILLED WITH FOAMY
POO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A breath of fresh RAO air.
Mr. Jute is late answering this interesting message in the interesting
discussion he interestingly initiated..
Ludovic Mirabel


Guys, can you PLEASE keep this stuff in r.a.o? Please check your newsgroups
line when following up.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[George M. Middius]

Scott Dorsey said:

Guys, can you PLEASE keep this stuff in r.a.o? Please check your newsgroups
line when following up.

Jute is one of you toobies.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[paul packer]

On 21 Oct 2006 14:44:10 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Why is Poopie (1) two cheeks short of being an asshole?

It can't be only because he's old and bitter.

It can't be only because he is an incompetent.

It can't be only because he is a braggart.

It can't be only because he is ugly.

It can't be only because he is a fascist and a hypocrite.

There's gotta be a bigger reason than even this collection of petty
failings to create such a petty man.

So why is Poopie two cheeks short of being an asshole?

--A public service riddle by Andre Jute

(1) Graham Stevenson aka "Eeyore"
, who claims to be an
electronics engineer and designer but who is known to earn his living
micing tenthrate pub acts.


What is "micing tenthrate pub acts"?

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

What is "micing tenthrate pub acts"?

It's a secret liberal ritual.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Eeyore]

Lord Valve wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

Actually, I thought it was fairly interesting.

Unlike most of the vapid America-hating horse-**** *you*
spew.

Interesting comment.

I *don't* 'hate America btw. I'm very unhappy about how the Republicans
have manipulated the US public into a bizarre mindset.

Graham

[Andre Jute]

Lord Valve wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

Actually, I thought it was fairly interesting.

Unlike most of the vapid America-hating horse-**** *you*
spew.

Lord Valve
Arrogant Rightwing *******

Good heavens, my Lord Valve, you of all people surely aren't taken in.
We Europeans *know* Poopie's Yankee-bashing is just a front. We can
recognize an American stooge when we see one. This analysis from 13
September may be of interest, -- Andre Jute

****
http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.au...209bfd2c 53a2

Eeyore wrote:
With great sadness I think 9/11 was a good thing for the USA.
and he wrote:
**** YOU **** YOU **** YOU AND YOUR DICKHEAD 'PRESIDENT' TOO.
and he wrote:
**** ALL AMERICANS.
MAY YOU DIE IN A HORRIBLE NUCLEAR INFERNO OF YOUR OWN MAKING.

Graham

Poopie, you reallly are an impressionable fool.

Where do you think you got this idea from that George W Bush, a
survivor of a truly Darwinian system of elite education, is a
"dickhead"? You got it from other Americans who spread the lie as a
political manoeuver. In other words, Poopie, you're a tiny cog in an
American political machine.

And where do you think you got the idea from that "9/11 was a good
thing for the US", why, you got it from other Americans making a
political point in the hope of persuading Mr Bush to spend even more on

homeland security. In other words, Poopie, you're a loud tool for the
military-industrial complex; you might remember that even President
Eisenhower, who when he was a general saved Britain from the Germans,
was agin the military industrial complex -- but now you're helping
them!

Even your "nuclear inferno", Americans, for the consumption of, is an
American idea first mouthed by Jerry Rubin one night when he was drunk.

Comedians of the Lenny Bruce persuasion made jokes about it, but
respectable comedians too at private Manhattan parties.

What you consume, what you wear, what you think, dear Poopie, is Out of

America. Even your hero, Osama, is an American stooge just like you --
he was sent to Afghanistan to stiffen the backbones of the mullahs in
the Taliban against the Russian invaders a generation ago. He just
turned traitor because, with the Soviet Union imploded on Reagan's
clever SDI bluff, there was no one else for poor old Osama to vent his
adrenaline on. He fancied himself as a sort of richer, better-spoken
Lawrence of Arabia, didn't want to give up such an attractive image of
himself, and turned on the only enemy available. It's an old story.

So, coming or going, you're ****ed in your mind and every other way by
American dicks. Lie back and enjoy. Nobody pays as well as the
Americans...

***

Of course, you are too hysterical to grasp my rigorous logic, but don't

worry, dear boy, I'm not giving it for your benefit -- personally, I
would probably be indifferent if you died of the syphilis that clearly
has already driven you demented -- but as an entertaining latterday
example of what Lenin -- another syphilitic -- called "useful fools".

Andre Jute
Darwinist. Cosmopolitan. Survivor.

********

[Chris Hornbeck]

On 21 Oct 2006 15:34:36 -0700, "tubegarden"
wrote:

OK, I got a power transformer which will drive an 845 without a bunch
of voltage doublers, triplers, whatever 105/115/125 primary 1400/700
secondary. Model is 901367.

I am going to use a choke input PS filter, with a 100uF 2000V oil cap.
Maybe more, will listen and decide.

866 MV (mercury vapor) rectifiers.

Does this mean a full wave bridge or two half wave rectifiers? The
former puts the 845's into their really linear region; the latter
is a supply of about 600 volts.

Initial OPT will be two One-Electron ubt-2 with primaries in series and
secondaries in parallel. Each primary will have a parallel resistor to
reduce ringing and other boisterous behavior. DCR of R to be between 5
and 10X the primary Z.

A SE class A amplifier doesn't cross the zero current line in its
working range, so damping may not matter enough to bother. Can't hurt,
I guess.

Two comments based on my similar project several years back:

First, I found that not too long after I finished the construction
(1994) I got too old to pick it up (120+ pounds) for modifications.
There really isn't a good technical solution for this; the power
supply is so dangerous that it needs to be in the same chassis as
the signal amplifiers. Maybe...

Second, the issue of output transformers. I used the British-made
Audio Notes, cheap-but-cheerful choice of the time. Note that
primary inductance doesn't scale the same with turns when connecting
two transformers in series; it only adds linearly.

These days, I'd talk to Patrick, who really knows his stuff, about
a pair of really good transformers. They're the real bottleneck of
any tube amplifier. Even the best is still just good enough.

Very good fortune, and much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:33:39 GMT, Chris Hornbeck
wrote:

I am going to use a choke input PS filter, with a 100uF 2000V oil cap.
Maybe more, will listen and decide.

866 MV (mercury vapor) rectifiers.

Rereading this, I see another issue. A single choke plus cap
isn't nearly enough hum filtering. Even another section of
each is just barely enough. All power supply hum appears
across the OPT primary in single-ended designs.

All good fortune,

Chris Hornbeck

[Andre Jute]

tubegarden wrote:
Hi RATs!

OK, I got a power transformer which will drive an 845 without a bunch
of voltage doublers, triplers, whatever 105/115/125 primary 1400/700
secondary. Model is 901367.

Ambitious bugger, aren't you? I love 845 but they do have some
application problems. One is high drive requirement, 150V peak or
better to do the job right for c20 big watts. The next one is high
voltage at the plate. You can operate 845 from about 500V up, and the
Japanese do, or did while the fad lasted, and I tried it and sounded
like **** unless the amp was very much restricted to a sub-300B output,
at which it sounded somehow caged. Linearity, which is what an 845 is
really about (with warmth) starts at about 850V but the sweet spots I
have found are 960 and 1040V -- yeah, I know, you don't think much of
other people's sweet spots, but wait until you start turning over a
100lb minimum amp several times a day to resolder leads: you'll soon
see the merit of picking a good operating point before you start. The
final big problem of 845 is that they are in bed with Miller's mother;
you need 20mA on the driver plate to kill that capacitance or it will
kill your HF stone dead.

A good way to handle the high drive requirement and the high driver
requirement in one swoop is to use a power tube for a driver. I liked
417A300B845. Terribly predictable. Some people have taste and some
don't. Trioded EL34 just about make the cut.

I am going to use a choke input PS filter, with a 100uF 2000V oil cap.
Maybe more, will listen and decide.

What size is a 100uF 2000V oil cap? You'd do better with two sections
or even three each of 10H and as little 18 or 20uF (I worked it out
once, and then got the nearest available value) to clear about 30dB
under the fundamental. Patrick probably has 845 smoothing at his
fingertips as he recently built one.

866 MV (mercury vapor) rectifiers.

A bridge of those is a lot of filament heat, and a lot of filament
heaters, and a lot of voltage dropped. Try a Graetz bridge instead. You
need two tube diodes and two silicon diodes, and the tube diodes block
the noise of the silicon. There's a sample he
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/T...trafi-crct.jpg
Sander probably knows the US equivalent of the BY228--which I was told
in a private letter by someone that is a strictly European part number
--and whether the direct sub is rated for the more demanding
application or whether you need to go up the range.

Initial OPT will be two One-Electron ubt-2 with primaries in series and
secondaries in parallel.

You won't get the bass you're hoping for, if you are -- you might be
too smart already. The advantage of two transformers in series is never
a doubling; at best it is a gain of 40% and I've seen as little as 11%
when I ran two interstage transformers in series and series-parallel in
an effort to improve current capability.

Each primary will have a parallel resistor to
reduce ringing and other boisterous behavior.

Why? Is this amp not SE? Let Patrick calculate the optimum damping,
satisfy yourself, if you're obsessive, with about a fourth or a fifth
that much, and don't give it another thought. It dinna matter in SE
amps. Very low damping factors are for fashion victims and
impressionables. A real man's tube amp turns down the frequency
extremes without the said man having to take his hands off his woman to
reach for the attenuator. And while we're on the subject, attenuator is
a weasel word. It's a volume *control*. (I also notice far too many
police "services"; it's a police *force* or it is useless for its
declared purpose.)

DCR of R to be between 5
and 10X the primary Z.

I love this techno talk

Eh? We're not talking about cars, just about valves. Valves don't have
complicated technicalities. Why, even Arnie thinks he can do valves!

The DCR of the PT secondary is 38 ohms. Same as the like sized (BIG)
choke I am going to use

The reason I broke up my last 845, and my even bigger Millennium's End
75W SE Svet 572-xx was that they weighed too much to handle without a
block and tackle. The solution is to break the amp across chasses but
even so the component parts can be damnably heavy. My solution to not
having too many high voltage components flying around, and limiting the
voltage as well as the number of umbilical leads, was to build two amps
each with their own on-board power supply. The power amp just had the
power tube and its associated bits, the other chassis had the input and
driver tubes, the driver being linked to a good quality output
transformer (Lundahl cut-C core) so that it was a complete amp which at
the flick of switch (or two) could turn the OPT primary into a choke on
the 300B plate and link its output capacitively via an umbilical to the
power section. Hardly ideal but safer than 1200V on what could in an
accident turn into flying leads spraying lethal electricity in your
direction...

Happy Ears!

Al

Good luck.

Andre Jute

[Chris Hornbeck]

On 21 Oct 2006 22:00:21 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:

A good way to handle the high drive requirement and the high driver
requirement in one swoop is to use a power tube for a driver. I liked
417A300B845. Terribly predictable. Some people have taste and some
don't. Trioded EL34 just about make the cut.

When I built mine, I was a fashion victim and used two paralleled
sections of 6SN7. Good linear bottles, but they require feedback
back around from their anodes if using unbypassed cathode resistors,
which I'd have insisted on, to give a low enough drive impedance.

These days I might start with triode connected EL84's with battery
or maybe "fixed" bias. There's really no such thang as a two-stage
845 amplifier, so it's a balancing act and a judgement call.


Hardly ideal but safer than 1200V on what could in an
accident turn into flying leads spraying lethal electricity in your
direction...

This is a really important point. Our own skunky asses are pretty
much disposable, but we need to *always* keep foremost in our
minds that friends, loved ones, grandchildren, pets, who knows,
can and some day *will* get into our widgets. They matter, so
SAFETY first and last.

Much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck

[[email protected]]

Andre Jute wrote:
Why is Poopie (1) two cheeks short of being an asshole?

It can't be only because he's old and bitter.

It can't be only because he is an incompetent.

It can't be only because he is a braggart.

It can't be only because he is ugly.

It can't be only because he is a fascist and a hypocrite.

There's gotta be a bigger reason than even this collection of petty
failings to create such a petty man.

So why is Poopie two cheeks short of being an asshole?

--A public service riddle by Andre Jute

(1) Graham Stevenson aka "Eeyore"
, who claims to be an
electronics engineer and designer but who is known to earn his living
micing tenthrate pub acts.

This has nothing to do with rec.audio.pro. Take it to a different
newsgroup.

[Patrick Turner]

Andre Jute wrote:

tubegarden wrote:
Hi RATs!

OK, I got a power transformer which will drive an 845 without a bunch
of voltage doublers, triplers, whatever 105/115/125 primary 1400/700
secondary. Model is 901367.

Ambitious bugger, aren't you? I love 845 but they do have some
application problems. One is high drive requirement, 150V peak or
better to do the job right for c20 big watts. The next one is high
voltage at the plate. You can operate 845 from about 500V up, and the
Japanese do, or did while the fad lasted, and I tried it and sounded
like **** unless the amp was very much restricted to a sub-300B output,
at which it sounded somehow caged. Linearity, which is what an 845 is
really about (with warmth) starts at about 850V but the sweet spots I
have found are 960 and 1040V -- yeah, I know, you don't think much of
other people's sweet spots, but wait until you start turning over a
100lb minimum amp several times a day to resolder leads: you'll soon
see the merit of picking a good operating point before you start. The
final big problem of 845 is that they are in bed with Miller's mother;
you need 20mA on the driver plate to kill that capacitance or it will
kill your HF stone dead.

The 845 needs a driving tube with 150Vrms capability.
This is easily achieved with choke loading an EL34 in triode.

The ideal op point imho is Ea = 1,100V, Ia = 65mA, RL = 12k.

The Miller C isn't all that high because the 845 voltage gain is below 5,
but nevertheless the driver EL34 should have Ea = 400V, Ia = 25mA.
If CR coupling is used from the '34 anode to 845grid, the biasing resistance
of say 33k is the main load seen by the EL34 since the choke which should be
over 35H will have a huge Z for most of the AF band which won't
cause much phase shift/roll off because the '34 ra = about 1.3k.
The EL34 has a gain of about 8, so it will need
about 16vrms of grid drive which could come from a bootstrapped follower
stage using 6SN7, or plain common cathode stage with both halves
paralleled but with a CCS load for the dc, so that the
'34 grid bias resistor is the only load seen by the '34, and thd
is thus minimal.





A good way to handle the high drive requirement and the high driver
requirement in one swoop is to use a power tube for a driver. I liked
417A300B845. Terribly predictable. Some people have taste and some
don't. Trioded EL34 just about make the cut.

I am going to use a choke input PS filter, with a 100uF 2000V oil cap.
Maybe more, will listen and decide.

What size is a 100uF 2000V oil cap? You'd do better with two sections
or even three each of 10H and as little 18 or 20uF (I worked it out
once, and then got the nearest available value) to clear about 30dB
under the fundamental. Patrick probably has 845 smoothing at his
fingertips as he recently built one.

I'm using plenty of seriesed 470uF x 400V rated caps and one choke of about
10H
but there are two stacked voltage doublers to get the wanted voltage
including enough for cathode biasing.
Its more complex than this because I have set up the 845 so there is fixed
grid bias
at -500V, then cathodes are at about -330V, and so anodes and the
primary winding are at +770V, which is less likely to ever arc to the earthy
bits such as the secondary
of the OPT than if I had Ea of +1,100V plus cathode bias of +170V for a
total of +1,270V applied to the OPT primary.





866 MV (mercury vapor) rectifiers.

A bridge of those is a lot of filament heat, and a lot of filament
heaters, and a lot of voltage dropped. Try a Graetz bridge instead. You
need two tube diodes and two silicon diodes, and the tube diodes block
the noise of the silicon. There's a sample he
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/T...trafi-crct.jpg
Sander probably knows the US equivalent of the BY228--which I was told
in a private letter by someone that is a strictly European part number
--and whether the direct sub is rated for the more demanding
application or whether you need to go up the range.

Initial OPT will be two One-Electron ubt-2 with primaries in series and
secondaries in parallel.

You won't get the bass you're hoping for, if you are -- you might be
too smart already. The advantage of two transformers in series is never
a doubling; at best it is a gain of 40% and I've seen as little as 11%
when I ran two interstage transformers in series and series-parallel in
an effort to improve current capability.

It depends on winding losses of the OPT.
If there are two primaries each giving 3k reflected Z to whatever secondary,
then series of two such windings is 12k, and the inductance is also 4 times
the
single P or two in parallel.



Each primary will have a parallel resistor to
reduce ringing and other boisterous behavior.

Why? Is this amp not SE? Let Patrick calculate the optimum damping,
satisfy yourself, if you're obsessive, with about a fourth or a fifth
that much, and don't give it another thought. It dinna matter in SE
amps. Very low damping factors are for fashion victims and
impressionables. A real man's tube amp turns down the frequency
extremes without the said man having to take his hands off his woman to
reach for the attenuator. And while we're on the subject, attenuator is
a weasel word. It's a volume *control*. (I also notice far too many
police "services"; it's a police *force* or it is useless for its
declared purpose.)

The 845 is a low Ra triode so there is plenty of natural damping
of the parasitic effects of OPT leakage inductances and shunt capacitance.
The latter capacitance is your main enemy, since
with Ra = 1.8k for 845, then 0.003uF looking into the P end of the winding
means - 3dB will be 29kHz.

With RL = 12k, we want Z Lp to be = RL at 20Hz or better. So Lp should be
95H,
which is asking a heck of a lot from what must be a gapped and large OPT.
I have a pair of 845 in parallel, so I need only 45H.
The RL of 12k plus the Lp means that the load become partially reactive
and equal to 8.5k at 20Hz, so its impossible to maintain a flat response down
to 20Hz
from say 1 kHz without clippinj commencing visibly at say 35Hz on the CRO.

So a lack of available Lp means that full power bw is limited.

But we we just never build 845 amps to be expected to
give a dead flat undistorted full power response down to 20Hz.
We will never run the amps that hard.

At low levels of say 2 watts instead of 20 watts the
load value reduction dues to Lp shunting RL does nothing to reduce bass
response of to cause noticeable
distortions.
This is because the -3dB point in the response occurs due to the ZLp
shunting both the 12k and Ra in parallel. This is about 1.6k,
and so Lp could be 18H for a -3db point of 14Hz.

Saturation and operating dc flux densities and max ac flux densities are
issues all needing careful thought and the only
way to avoid such issues is to use a pair of 50H chokes in series for the DC
supply
to the tube, then capacitor couple a "normal" ungapped OPT
to the anode with say 47uF which is rated at 2,000V, so a few caps in series
may need to be used.





DCR of R to be between 5
and 10X the primary Z.

I love this techno talk

Eh? We're not talking about cars, just about valves. Valves don't have
complicated technicalities. Why, even Arnie thinks he can do valves!

The DCR of the PT secondary is 38 ohms. Same as the like sized (BIG)
choke I am going to use

I fear a few ppl are not being precise enough about what they propose and I
issue a smoke warning.




The reason I broke up my last 845, and my even bigger Millennium's End
75W SE Svet 572-xx was that they weighed too much to handle without a
block and tackle. The solution is to break the amp across chasses but
even so the component parts can be damnably heavy. My solution to not
having too many high voltage components flying around, and limiting the
voltage as well as the number of umbilical leads, was to build two amps
each with their own on-board power supply. The power amp just had the
power tube and its associated bits, the other chassis had the input and
driver tubes, the driver being linked to a good quality output
transformer (Lundahl cut-C core) so that it was a complete amp which at
the flick of switch (or two) could turn the OPT primary into a choke on
the 300B plate and link its output capacitively via an umbilical to the
power section. Hardly ideal but safer than 1200V on what could in an
accident turn into flying leads spraying lethal electricity in your
direction...

Monobloc for 845 is a must because of weight, and I don't recommend
HV umbilical cables.
I'm using KR Audio 845 tubes.
Try going to the Oz importer for KR products at
http://www.vares.com.au
Click on the link to KR amps which have their tubes within.

Both the OPT and PT for my latest SET amps with 2 x 845 in parallel
have a 70mm stack of 50mm tongue highest quality GOSS.
The chokes are not very large and the caps don't weigh much,
but then there is the metal work and it all adds up.

These are heavy amps for only 45 watts each.
But rather nice watts.

Patrick Turner.




Happy Ears!

Al

Good luck.

Andre Jute

[Lord Valve]

paul packer wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 14:44:10 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:

Why is Poopie (1) two cheeks short of being an asshole?

It can't be only because he's old and bitter.

It can't be only because he is an incompetent.

It can't be only because he is a braggart.

It can't be only because he is ugly.

It can't be only because he is a fascist and a hypocrite.

There's gotta be a bigger reason than even this collection of petty
failings to create such a petty man.

So why is Poopie two cheeks short of being an asshole?

--A public service riddle by Andre Jute

(1) Graham Stevenson aka "Eeyore"
, who claims to be an
electronics engineer and designer but who is known to earn his living
micing tenthrate pub acts.

What is "micing tenthrate pub acts"?

Mr. Jute has, to my utter dismay, perpetrated a near-unpardonable
grammatical sin.

He has used "micing," a convention in popular circulation
among the singularly clueless fader-jocks and other
audio industry ****s. I commented on this back in
July, 2004 (among other times unfortunately all too
numerous) in a post replying to the question of what
can and what cannot be considered an acronym.
It's a singularly fine rant, and bears repetition.

It is again renderered hereinunder, for the edification
of the clueless and the gentle correction of Mr. Jute,
whose skill with the English language I usually respect.

spank

(As an aside, I would have hyphenated "tenthrate,"
but that's hairsplitting. Or hair-splitting, as the case
may be. ;-)
__________________________________________________ _____

Originally posted to alt.audio.pro.live-sound in July, 2004:

Lord Valve Speaketh:

As the OLAGOTEFI (Official Lexicographer And Grammarian
Of The Entire ****ing Internet [which is in itself an
acronym, pronounced oh-LAG-oh-TEFF-ee, minor accent on
syllable two, major accent on syllable four]) the Lord
must agree.

In order for a series of letters to be considered an
acronym, it must form a pronounceable word. "FBI"
(Fat Boys Institute" and "FOH" (Fat Old Hippie) are
not pronounceable words.

"Scuba," "radar," "jeep" (the Lord wagers most folks don't
know where that one came from, and no fair looking it up)
and the like all *started* as abbreviations, but soon
thereafter became words due to their prounounceable nature.
The more euphonious the construction, the quicker it evolved
into common usage as a pronounced non-abbreviation. Part of
the present confusion arises from the fact that it is customary
(nowadays) to eliminate the periods from the letter groups
which are unpronounceable and still considered to be abbreviations.
"F.B.I." and "F.O.H." are the technically correct forms for our
two examples, and with the inclusion of the periods, no-one
attempts to treat them as anything but what they are -
unpronounceable abbreviations. In the case of "S.C.U.B.A." (Some
Come Up Barely Alive) the transition was understandably swift.
It is, in the popular lexicon, a bitchin' fine-sounding word,
and great fun to say.

Which brings the Lord to one of His pet peeves: Alnico. Why
is it that many otherwise highly intelligent audio professionals
insist on pronouncing this word "al-KNEE-co"? Please, "everybody
does it" is no excuse. Any dictionary you wish to look in (provided
it has been compiled by a true lexicographer/etymologyst, and not
some smart-ass audio****** fool) will give you the correct
pronunciation for this word: "AL (rhymes with 'gal') ni (as in
'nick') coh." Accent on the first syllable, short I, long O.
Try it: AL-nick-oh. Alnico. See how it rolls off the tongue
when pronounced correctly. This word was formed from the chemical
symbols of the three metals which make up the alloy: ALuminum (or
ALuminium, for you Limeys), NIckel, and CObalt. Note the word
"nickel." If it is customary for you to say "NEE-cull" when
pronouncing that word, then fine - you may say "al-KNEE-co."
Otherwise, smarten up and say it correctly. And before any of you
audio assholes take the Lord to task over this, just remember: next
time you hear president Bush (or ex-president Carter, come to think
of it, who ought to know better, having been a nuclear power engineer
in the Navy) say "NUKE-you-lur," you'll have to keep your mouths shut.
And you know you can't do that, so - AL-nick-oh.

Don't even get the Lord started on "mic," which by any interpretation
of the rules of pronunciation for English must be enunciated as
"mick." The downright obstinate use of the ungainly and confusing
shortened form of "microphone" leads to embarrasing constructions
like "micing" (*must* rhyme with "icing," sorry, shut the ****
up) instead of the instantly recognizable and pronounceable
"miking." (Rhymes with "hiking" - see how that works?) "Miked."
(Rhymes with "hiked.") And "mike" is the proper representation
of the abbreviated form of "microphone." I want all of you to
do something you've never done befo step away from your
monitors and pick up a dictionary. Use a good one, a real one,
not one of those "Audio Cyclopedia" bull**** rags. Look up "mic."
Look up "miced." And "micing." Did you find 'em ok? No? Now,
slowly, carefully...look up "mike."

I ****ing told you so.

Lord Valve
JAFAWAM (Just Another ****in' Asshole With A Modem)

[Patrick Turner]

Chris Hornbeck wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 22:00:21 -0700, "Andre Jute" wrote:

A good way to handle the high drive requirement and the high driver
requirement in one swoop is to use a power tube for a driver. I liked
417A300B845. Terribly predictable. Some people have taste and some
don't. Trioded EL34 just about make the cut.

When I built mine, I was a fashion victim and used two paralleled
sections of 6SN7. Good linear bottles, but they require feedback
back around from their anodes if using unbypassed cathode resistors,
which I'd have insisted on, to give a low enough drive impedance.

I used to like driving output stages with 6SN7 and I still do.
When paralleled, a 6SN7 has Ra = about 5k with 4mA per triode for a total
of 8 mA.
But for when one wants the best musical dynamics, the EL84 or EL86 or 6AR5
or 6V6
or suchlike power tetrode or pentode is a better driver for anything where
there is more than 1 output
tube to drive, or the output tube has more than a usual amount of input
capacitance.

For where you need a high drive voltage ability as well as current ability

to give the dynamic accuracy, then EL34 trioded is hard to beat, but
some would argue the only appropriate bottle to drive an 845 is a 300B.
I may have said a 2A3 would suffice.

Using FB around 6SN7 with unbypassed Rk is a possibility, and I assume you
mean
shunt NFB but then the gain has to be reduced a lot if you want Rout to be
low.
I don't think a 6SN7 is a sufficiently capable tube to drive an 845 unless

you do it like they used to with a 1:2 step up tranny which restricts bw
unecesariliy,
and so many of those old amps made before WW2 were very short of bw.

Local shunt NFB around a 6SN7 to reduce its Ro menas Rin is low, and a
pain to drive
and its just simpler to use an EL34, with bypassed Rk, because
gain will be about 9, and whatever 2H you get will cancel that produced in
the output stage,
Rout = Ra = 1.3k = low enough, and the input tube need only produce a
lowish 16Vrms.
The input tube to driver tube interface HF losses are just as important as
anywhere else
and the Miller effect between an input tube and driving EL34 is probably
a worse problem than between EL34 and the 845 or two that one is trying to
drive.

Then one has to decide if one wants global NFB to smarten up the whole
operation,
if one sees at all that NFB around SET amps has any rightful place at all.

One has to be a bit careful because the two stages of tubes plus OPT
cause a rapid phase shift and where open loop gain is above 1.0 and phase
shift
is 180 degrees, then HF oscillations are possible.
In my case the OPT has a 6k:6 OPT ratio ie, ZR = 1,000:1,
so the Ra = 1k approx of the two parallel 845 = 1 ohm at the secondary.
Adding winding resistance means Rout = approx 1.16 ohms without global
NFB.

If the 845 is operated at a lower Ea, perhaps 800V, then RL is halved, so
the
OPT has a ZR of 500:1, so the Rout will be 2.16 ohms instead using the
higher
Ea, higher RL, and higher ZR possible.

But 8 dB of global NFB will reduce Rout by slightly greater than 1/2,
widen bw, and lower 2H at a slight penalty of only slightly reducing the
3H
and maybe slightly increasing 3,4,5,6,7,8,9H etc.
This won't probably matter because the THD without NFB at normal 2 watt
levels
in a 20 watt SET amp is usually negligable, so the generation of extra
high order harmonics due to only slight NFB isn't a worry imho,
since the benefits of low Rout are greater than any other negative
considerations.



These days I might start with triode connected EL84's with battery
or maybe "fixed" bias. There's really no such thang as a two-stage
845 amplifier, so it's a balancing act and a judgement call.

EL84 don't really like being set up with Ea = 400V, and Ia can only
be safely about 15mA for 6 Pda = 6 watts, so a pair in parallel are a lot
better.
Then the pair have µ = 20, Ra = 1.2k, and will give as good an amount of
linearity
as an EL34.
The load lines will show that one can get 275peak volts swing ( 194Vrms )
with
Ea = 400V, Ia = 25mA ( for the two EL84 in parallel ), and RL = 16k.
This would appear to be plenty, and Ea could even be lowered
to around 350V and you'd still get maybe 160vrms, probably
enough for 845.
Choke loading is the way to go to avoid having to use a CCS
with 400V across it to allow a swing. The choke should be 40+H,
so that even at 20Hz the ZL = 5k and the EL84 gain isn't too shunted
by thre choke inductance. To get 25mA dc to a pair of EL84 anodes via a
resistance
means that if the supply is say 800V, and Ea = 420V ( including the
cathode bias ),
then you need a 15k resistor just for the dc, and then if the following
grid bias R = say 33k for ONE 845, the total load = 10.4, and its getting
low.
The best solution is to have a choke of more than 40H PLUS a 4.7k
resistance
to the anode, so that even 2Hz there is at least 4.7k dc supply resistance

and the gain is hardly altered by the choke inductance and low impedance
at 2 Hz,
and where phase shift occurs.

40H needs to be the measured inductance at say some low F, say 50Hz,
because the
permeability falls rapidly above 100Hz. One has to be careful
applying inductance formulas, and a choke with 40H at 50Hz won't be 40H at
1 kHz.
However, if L = 40H at 50Hz, then ZL = 12.6k, and the effect of this Z in
parallel
with the 33k and Ra is quite negigible on gain which is approaching µ.
The 4.7k series R also helps to keep the RL high enough at LF by isolating
the shunting effect
of the L and also to isolate the shunting effect of the choke self
capacitance at HF.
To all those who already have a choke loaded driver stage I would suggest
they
try an added series R between choke and anode; it widens bw, and increases
gain and
reduces distortion, all of which is good for the music and FB isn't
needed.

The Ea required may have to be a little higher than the pure choke loaded
case;
25mA across 4.7k = 117V.
But in an 845 amp there is no shortage of a high enough anode supply
for the driver.

Where one wants to use a 211 in lieu of the 845, the drive voltage is
about halved,
bias voltage is less but then one may wish to operate the SET 211 with
class A2,
and this means a cathode follower directly coupled to the 211 grid is
called for,
so one EL84 needs to be devoted to this purpose.


Hardly ideal but safer than 1200V on what could in an
accident turn into flying leads spraying lethal electricity in your
direction...

This is a really important point. Our own skunky asses are pretty
much disposable, but we need to *always* keep foremost in our
minds that friends, loved ones, grandchildren, pets, who knows,
can and some day *will* get into our widgets. They matter, so
SAFETY first and last.

Well, there is HV inside every microwave, and folks were scared of the
radiation leakages, but seems we live with that alright.
Tube amps with low voltages and no covers over the tubes are about as bad
as bare light bulbs with 240V mains, and again, such lights don't kill
many.
Its amazing amps with 211 and 845 et all have not killed anyone,
or not enough to make the authorities at least here in Oz classify
such amps as "prescribed articles" which require special NATA lab safety
approval
before being legal for sale.
The amateur radio operators with high power RF amps with 2,500V on their
output
stages would be a bigger curse if junior gets into grandad's shed and
plays around.

One guy I know who manufactued and sold lots of amps with 211
transfered the title of the house into his wife's name to avoid anyone
snatching his house if he was sued.
Not so easy if you ain't married; and can you trust a wife?

I might add that PP operation of 845 or 211 is somewhat awesome,
not to mention the brute force of 813 wound up on high voltages.....

If anyone gets hurt by anything you make, then regardless of
whether the safety has been approved by an authority or not, then one is
at risk
of losing everything in a court case because even if you can proove you
made the
article properly, a judge or jury will still tend to side with an injured
party.
In some cases where ppl are hurt its because the owner altered the amp,
or proceeded to blatently ignore warnings about tinkering about.
But I feel I have to draw the line on umbilical cables carying more than
500V.
One has to allow for a PS to fall off a bench and strech and expose live
wires, so some means
of protection should be added to prevent the PS working if the PS or amp
is tipped out of level,
a mercury switch is a good thing with SCR that stays latched to cut the
mains power,
or cause the mains fuse to blow.


I was a building contractor for 20 years operating as a sole trader under
my own name
and took the risk that I may lose everything but it never happened because

I took my time, proceeded without haste, built things that were solid and
unlikely to ever fail,
I avoided accidents, and I never had anyone sue me.

Patrick Turner.



Much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck

[Peter Wieck]

Eeyore wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

On the contrary.

Given that Mr. McCoy has been silent for so long, one of several things
must have happened such that it was prevented from spewing its usual
bile This in itself is of interest. So:

Either (and in order of likelihood):

It was just released after an Involuntary Committment.
It was just released after a Voluntary committment.
That new medication which had such promise failed after all.
It stopped taking that new medication as it missed being the center of
attention.

However, the post does prove that its arrogance, ignorance,
viciousness, inanity and absolute lack of humility are entirely
unaffected by the episode.

It is also interesting that McCoy, Middius and Morein should be such a
tight triumpulcidaete (as there are no men (vir) involved,
'triumvirate' is not appropriate). And each for their apparent singular
purpose which is to attack phantoms and/or others who are infinitely
more accomplished than themselves. We have McCoy ringing in the
sockpuppets, Middius babbling in newspeak, and Morein making assertions
without proof or reference.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:30:32 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

EL84 don't really like being set up with Ea = 400V, and Ia can only
be safely about 15mA for 6 Pda = 6 watts, so a pair in parallel are a lot
better.

Why? 400 volts at 30mA is within ratings. Call it 25mA just to be
comfortable. A supply voltage of 800 volts is about right. It's
not a problem; really.


But in an 845 amp there is no shortage of a high enough anode supply
for the driver.

Yeah, RC coupling is pretty easy.

Much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck

[Ty Ford]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:34:00 -0400, wrote
(in article .com):

Guys, please leave rec.audio.pro out of this.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[[email protected]]

wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Why is Poopie (1) two cheeks short of being an asshole?

It can't be only because he's old and bitter.

It can't be only because he is an incompetent.

It can't be only because he is a braggart.

It can't be only because he is ugly.

It can't be only because he is a fascist and a hypocrite.

There's gotta be a bigger reason than even this collection of petty
failings to create such a petty man.

So why is Poopie two cheeks short of being an asshole?

--A public service riddle by Andre Jute

(1) Graham Stevenson aka "Eeyore"
, who claims to be an
electronics engineer and designer but who is known to earn his living
micing tenthrate pub acts.

This has nothing to do with rec.audio.pro. Take it to a different
newsgroup.

It should have nothing to do with ANY audio newsgroup.
Ludovic Mirabel

[Lord Valve]

Andre Jute wrote:

Lord Valve wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

Actually, I thought it was fairly interesting.

Unlike most of the vapid America-hating horse-**** *you*
spew.

Lord Valve
Arrogant Rightwing *******

Good heavens, my Lord Valve, you of all people surely aren't taken in.
We Europeans *know* Poopie's Yankee-bashing is just a front. We can
recognize an American stooge when we see one. This analysis from 13
September may be of interest, -- Andre Jute

****
http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.au...209bfd2c 53a2

Eeyore wrote:
With great sadness I think 9/11 was a good thing for the USA.
and he wrote:
**** YOU **** YOU **** YOU AND YOUR DICKHEAD 'PRESIDENT' TOO.
and he wrote:
**** ALL AMERICANS.
MAY YOU DIE IN A HORRIBLE NUCLEAR INFERNO OF YOUR OWN MAKING.

Graham

Poopie, you reallly are an impressionable fool.

Where do you think you got this idea from that George W Bush, a
survivor of a truly Darwinian system of elite education, is a
"dickhead"? You got it from other Americans who spread the lie as a
political manoeuver. In other words, Poopie, you're a tiny cog in an
American political machine.

And where do you think you got the idea from that "9/11 was a good
thing for the US", why, you got it from other Americans making a
political point in the hope of persuading Mr Bush to spend even more on

homeland security. In other words, Poopie, you're a loud tool for the
military-industrial complex; you might remember that even President
Eisenhower, who when he was a general saved Britain from the Germans,
was agin the military industrial complex -- but now you're helping
them!

Even your "nuclear inferno", Americans, for the consumption of, is an
American idea first mouthed by Jerry Rubin one night when he was drunk.

Comedians of the Lenny Bruce persuasion made jokes about it, but
respectable comedians too at private Manhattan parties.

What you consume, what you wear, what you think, dear Poopie, is Out of

America. Even your hero, Osama, is an American stooge just like you --
he was sent to Afghanistan to stiffen the backbones of the mullahs in
the Taliban against the Russian invaders a generation ago. He just
turned traitor because, with the Soviet Union imploded on Reagan's
clever SDI bluff, there was no one else for poor old Osama to vent his
adrenaline on. He fancied himself as a sort of richer, better-spoken
Lawrence of Arabia, didn't want to give up such an attractive image of
himself, and turned on the only enemy available. It's an old story.

So, coming or going, you're ****ed in your mind and every other way by
American dicks. Lie back and enjoy. Nobody pays as well as the
Americans...

***

Of course, you are too hysterical to grasp my rigorous logic, but don't

worry, dear boy, I'm not giving it for your benefit -- personally, I
would probably be indifferent if you died of the syphilis that clearly
has already driven you demented -- but as an entertaining latterday
example of what Lenin -- another syphilitic -- called "useful fools".

"Useful idiots," I believe that was.

At any rate, Poopie is pWn3D, as you have so ably pointed out:

"I *don't* 'hate America btw." (Poopie says.)

Poopie also said: "With great sadness I think 9/11 was a good thing for the USA."
and
"**** YOU **** YOU **** YOU AND YOUR DICKHEAD 'PRESIDENT' TOO."
and
"**** ALL AMERICANS. MAY YOU DIE IN A HORRIBLE NUCLEAR INFERNO
OF YOUR OWN MAKING."

That makes him both a liar and a nasty America-hating ****.

And that's the name o' *that* tune.

Lord Valve
Proud Owner, "Eeyore," October, 2006

[tubegarden]

Andre Jute wrote:


What size is a 100uF 2000V oil cap? You'd do better with two sections
or even three each of 10H and as little 18 or 20uF (I worked it out
once, and then got the nearest available value) to clear about 30dB
under the fundamental. Patrick probably has 845 smoothing at his
fingertips as he recently built one.


Hi RATs!

3 - 3/4" X 4 - 5/8" X 9 - 1/2", plus threaded posts. I got three each
off Ebay 8^)

I will drive the 845 with my last homebrew, a trioded 6550C SE. The
series ubt-2 will give me 19.2K input Z with 8 ohms paralleled. John
Atwood, the transformer's Daddy, recommended the resistor shunts. He
sez the low freqs will probably be OK for my 100+dB W/m ehorn. I am
treading on fresh ice on the high voltage application. If I survive, I
may ghost an App Note ... If I don't I may just ghost. My pal
Kavichandra Swami sez I will just start soiling diapers again. Ghost
sounds like more fun Suckling was prolly great, but, I just can't
remember ...

The 866 quad will give me adequate voltage for a cathode biased 845,
Steve Bench said that was a good place to start.

I have some killer Lambda DC power supplies for both the 866 and 845
filaments. Apache Reclamation is sort of like Nirvana, right here in
town Huge supplies cost less than a carton of my wife's cigarettes.

I build my homebrews on the bare concrete floor under a big, empty,
antique radio phono console. No, I can't move the whole amp. So what!
Even when I was healthy, repositioning electronics never exactly turned
my key.

Some of you sell amps. That is fine with me, but pure R & D has it's
pleasures ... not that I really have any options

So, first I have to vacuum up about three bags of dust, etc. It may be
awhile, but, stubbing my toe on that big power transformer is a thrill
in itself!

Happy Ears!

Al

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
Lord Valve wrote:


Andre Jute wrote:

Lord Valve wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:

nothing of interest.

Actually, I thought it was fairly interesting.

Unlike most of the vapid America-hating horse-**** *you*
spew.

Lord Valve
Arrogant Rightwing *******

Good heavens, my Lord Valve, you of all people surely aren't taken in.
We Europeans *know* Poopie's Yankee-bashing is just a front. We can
recognize an American stooge when we see one. This analysis from 13
September may be of interest, -- Andre Jute

****
http://groups.google.ie/group/rec.au...209bfd2c 53a2

Eeyore wrote:
With great sadness I think 9/11 was a good thing for the USA.
and he wrote:
**** YOU **** YOU **** YOU AND YOUR DICKHEAD 'PRESIDENT' TOO.
and he wrote:
**** ALL AMERICANS.
MAY YOU DIE IN A HORRIBLE NUCLEAR INFERNO OF YOUR OWN MAKING.

Graham

Poopie, you reallly are an impressionable fool.

Where do you think you got this idea from that George W Bush, a
survivor of a truly Darwinian system of elite education, is a
"dickhead"? You got it from other Americans who spread the lie as a
political manoeuver. In other words, Poopie, you're a tiny cog in an
American political machine.

And where do you think you got the idea from that "9/11 was a good
thing for the US", why, you got it from other Americans making a
political point in the hope of persuading Mr Bush to spend even more on

homeland security. In other words, Poopie, you're a loud tool for the
military-industrial complex; you might remember that even President
Eisenhower, who when he was a general saved Britain from the Germans,
was agin the military industrial complex -- but now you're helping
them!

Even your "nuclear inferno", Americans, for the consumption of, is an
American idea first mouthed by Jerry Rubin one night when he was drunk.

Comedians of the Lenny Bruce persuasion made jokes about it, but
respectable comedians too at private Manhattan parties.

What you consume, what you wear, what you think, dear Poopie, is Out of

America. Even your hero, Osama, is an American stooge just like you --
he was sent to Afghanistan to stiffen the backbones of the mullahs in
the Taliban against the Russian invaders a generation ago. He just
turned traitor because, with the Soviet Union imploded on Reagan's
clever SDI bluff, there was no one else for poor old Osama to vent his
adrenaline on. He fancied himself as a sort of richer, better-spoken
Lawrence of Arabia, didn't want to give up such an attractive image of
himself, and turned on the only enemy available. It's an old story.

So, coming or going, you're ****ed in your mind and every other way by
American dicks. Lie back and enjoy. Nobody pays as well as the
Americans...

***

Of course, you are too hysterical to grasp my rigorous logic, but don't

worry, dear boy, I'm not giving it for your benefit -- personally, I
would probably be indifferent if you died of the syphilis that clearly
has already driven you demented -- but as an entertaining latterday
example of what Lenin -- another syphilitic -- called "useful fools".

"Useful idiots," I believe that was.

At any rate, Poopie is pWn3D, as you have so ably pointed out:

"I *don't* 'hate America btw." (Poopie says.)

Poopie also said: "With great sadness I think 9/11 was a good thing for the USA."
and
"**** YOU **** YOU **** YOU AND YOUR DICKHEAD 'PRESIDENT' TOO."
and
"**** ALL AMERICANS. MAY YOU DIE IN A HORRIBLE NUCLEAR INFERNO
OF YOUR OWN MAKING."

That makes him both a liar and a nasty America-hating ****.

And that's the name o' *that* tune.

Lord Valve
Proud Owner, "Eeyore," October, 2006







Guys, please keep this yammering out of rec.audio.pro.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Gutter Butt]

Guys, please keep this yammering out of rec.audio.pro.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

YES YOU SHOULD ONLY WRITE ABOUT YOUR POO HERE!!!!!!!!!!

WELL, POO AND TURNTABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MMMMMMMMMM THAT RICH VINYL SOUND!!!!!!!!

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM MY RICH POO SMELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGN WATCH ME POO?!?!?!

[Gutter Butt]

Originally posted to alt.audio.pro.live-sound in July, 2004:

Lord Valve Speaketh:

As the OLAGOTEFI (Official Lexicographer And Grammarian
Of The Entire ****ing Internet [which is in itself an
acronym, pronounced oh-LAG-oh-TEFF-ee, minor accent on
syllable two, major accent on syllable four]) the Lord
must agree.

In order for a series of letters to be considered an
acronym, it must form a pronounceable word. "FBI"
(Fat Boys Institute" and "FOH" (Fat Old Hippie) are
not pronounceable words.

"Scuba," "radar," "jeep" (the Lord wagers most folks don't
know where that one came from, and no fair looking it up)
and the like all *started* as abbreviations, but soon
thereafter became words due to their prounounceable nature.
The more euphonious the construction, the quicker it evolved
into common usage as a pronounced non-abbreviation. Part of
the present confusion arises from the fact that it is customary
(nowadays) to eliminate the periods from the letter groups
which are unpronounceable and still considered to be abbreviations.
"F.B.I." and "F.O.H." are the technically correct forms for our
two examples, and with the inclusion of the periods, no-one
attempts to treat them as anything but what they are -
unpronounceable abbreviations. In the case of "S.C.U.B.A." (Some
Come Up Barely Alive) the transition was understandably swift.
It is, in the popular lexicon, a bitchin' fine-sounding word,
and great fun to say.

Which brings the Lord to one of His pet peeves: Alnico. Why
is it that many otherwise highly intelligent audio professionals
insist on pronouncing this word "al-KNEE-co"? Please, "everybody
does it" is no excuse. Any dictionary you wish to look in (provided
it has been compiled by a true lexicographer/etymologyst, and not
some smart-ass audio****** fool) will give you the correct
pronunciation for this word: "AL (rhymes with 'gal') ni (as in
'nick') coh." Accent on the first syllable, short I, long O.
Try it: AL-nick-oh. Alnico. See how it rolls off the tongue
when pronounced correctly. This word was formed from the chemical
symbols of the three metals which make up the alloy: ALuminum (or
ALuminium, for you Limeys), NIckel, and CObalt. Note the word
"nickel." If it is customary for you to say "NEE-cull" when
pronouncing that word, then fine - you may say "al-KNEE-co."
Otherwise, smarten up and say it correctly. And before any of you
audio assholes take the Lord to task over this, just remember: next
time you hear president Bush (or ex-president Carter, come to think
of it, who ought to know better, having been a nuclear power engineer
in the Navy) say "NUKE-you-lur," you'll have to keep your mouths shut.
And you know you can't do that, so - AL-nick-oh.

Don't even get the Lord started on "mic," which by any interpretation
of the rules of pronunciation for English must be enunciated as
"mick." The downright obstinate use of the ungainly and confusing
shortened form of "microphone" leads to embarrasing constructions
like "micing" (*must* rhyme with "icing," sorry, shut the ****
up) instead of the instantly recognizable and pronounceable
"miking." (Rhymes with "hiking" - see how that works?) "Miked."
(Rhymes with "hiked.") And "mike" is the proper representation
of the abbreviated form of "microphone." I want all of you to
do something you've never done befo step away from your
monitors and pick up a dictionary. Use a good one, a real one,
not one of those "Audio Cyclopedia" bull**** rags. Look up "mic."
Look up "miced." And "micing." Did you find 'em ok? No? Now,
slowly, carefully...look up "mike."

I ****ing told you so.

Lord Valve
JAFAWAM (Just Another ****in' Asshole With A Modem)


GET A LIFE YOU ****ING FAGGOT LOL

JUST KIDDING, WANNA WATCH ME POO?!?!

[Jenn]

In article . com,
"Gutter Butt" wrote:


GET A LIFE YOU ****ING FAGGOT LOL

JUST KIDDING, WANNA WATCH ME POO?!?!

Could you please keep your illness out of RAO?

Thanks

[paul packer]

On 22 Oct 2006 07:14:40 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote:

We have McCoy ringing in the sockpuppets, Middius babbling in newspeak

So that's why I'm not getting it! Thanks for clearing that up.

[Ayn Marx]

X X X X

[Gutter Butt]

Jenn wrote:
In article . com,
"Gutter Butt" wrote:


GET A LIFE YOU ****ING FAGGOT LOL

JUST KIDDING, WANNA WATCH ME POO?!?!

Could you please keep your illness out of RAO?

Thanks

LOL I'M NOT ILLIN', **YOU** BE ILLIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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UGGGGGGGGGN BALRUABRLAURBALRUA RBALBRUABFRRRRRRRRRRRRT BLARURBALRBUARA
FRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

HOLY GOD IT'S ALL OVER THE STUPID BATHROOM AGAIN

SLIP SLOP SPLISH SPLOSH SPLOSH WALKING IN IT

EW GROSS

IT'S EVERYWHERE

SPLISH SPLOOOOSH SLOP

TOWEL PLZ

[Jesco White]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:21:00 -0700, Ayn Marx saiyd:


Guys, please keep this yammering out of rec.audio.pro.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

YES YOU SHOULD ONLY WRITE ABOUT YOUR POO HERE!!!!!!!!!!

WELL, POO AND TURNTABLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MMMMMMMMMM THAT RICH VINYL SOUND!!!!!!!!

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM MY RICH POO SMELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGN WATCH ME POO?!?!?!


X X X X

You're vocab just gets better and better ayn.
Galloping menopause can be such a cruel, cruel bitch.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in
message

In article
. com,
"Gutter Butt" wrote:


GET A LIFE YOU ****ING FAGGOT LOL

JUST KIDDING, WANNA WATCH ME POO?!?!

Could you please keep your illness out of RAO?

It's hard to imagine someone more disgusting than the Middiot, but Jenn it
looks like RAO has found it in "Gutter butt"! ;-(

[Patrick Turner]

Chris Hornbeck wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:30:32 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

EL84 don't really like being set up with Ea = 400V, and Ia can only
be safely about 15mA for 6 Pda = 6 watts, so a pair in parallel are a lot
better.

Why? 400 volts at 30mA is within ratings. Call it 25mA just to be
comfortable. A supply voltage of 800 volts is about right. It's
not a problem; really.

Its within the Pda rating of 12 watts, sure, but since the screen is connected
to the anode
then the higher the Ea, the greater the grid bias must be to hold the
Ia and one cannot keep increasing Ea and the bias indefinately.
Sooner or later you get a point where the Eg1 doesn't hold down the Ia
reliably,
and for EL84 I would say Ea = 400V is about the limit.
There are amps I have seen where Ea = 700V, but Eg2 was 350V,
and a fixed voltage, and with RL = 14ka-a for a pair I measured 36 watts in
mainly class B.
Musical Reference did this.
But you couldn't run EL84 in triode with Ea = Eg2 = 700V.

If you did have 25mA and a 400V drop in an anode resistance then
the R = 16k, but if the bias R at the 845 = say 33k, then load = about 11k.
Using a choke plus the 16k is always doable and the dc load is thus
very much higher so at 1kHz the load is mainly the bias R of 33k and
the gain is maximum, distortion is minimum, and you get a wider voltage swing.



But in an 845 amp there is no shortage of a high enough anode supply
for the driver.

Yeah, RC coupling is pretty easy.

Indeed.

Patrick Turner.



Much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck

[George M. Middius]

paul packer said:

We have McCoy ringing in the sockpuppets, Middius babbling in newspeak

So that's why I'm not getting it! Thanks for clearing that up.

Aren't you going to correct Worthless's spelling mistake?




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

[Peter Wieck]

George M. Middius wrote:

Aren't you going to correct Worthless's spelling mistake?

Commander:

Look up Pulcidae.

Oh, does it make you quietly proud to be the third and least part of
your peculiar trinity? As the least articulate and most ignorant, you
should be.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Gutter Butt]

GET A LIFE YOU ****ING FAGGOT LOL

JUST KIDDING, WANNA WATCH ME POO?!?!

Could you please keep your illness out of RAO?

It's hard to imagine someone more disgusting than the Middiot, but
Jenn it
looks like RAO has found it in "Gutter butt"! ;-(
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