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This is an argument that not even Clarence
Darrow could win. BTW, you do know that he did win the "Monkey Trial", don't you? Actually, he lost. Other than that, we agree. |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. Nice unbiased reporting? |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. Nice unbiased reporting? |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. That was probably his shock at your unbelievable gall in connecting such **** to his system. :-( |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. That was probably his shock at your unbelievable gall in connecting such **** to his system. :-( |
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"Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. |
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"Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. |
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"dave weil" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:37:55 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:01:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message nk.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - (1) do real research and testing Agreed. - (2) pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - (3) sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. You obviously can't count Weil, because my first statement has nothing to do with driver costs. Sorry, you are correct. I meant your second statement. I maintain that I *can* count however. If anything, I am guilty of skimming. If you were going to intelligently make this sort of comment, you'd address it to my second and third statements. Your post proves only that you can't count to three. Please come back when you obtain that skill. Well, now that I've acknowledged my mistake (and I was able to do it without your level of spleen and spite), you can accept that your demand is now met. Of course, I'm pretty sure that you knew that anyway. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I don't know what sort of volumes Bugtussel is moving. Bugtussel has one very strong advantage over Jupiter - a seasoned, technically-sophisticated chief designer who still remembers what he learned in his science classes, and aggressively built on a solid technical education over a period of years. Did I mention that the last time we worked together we did a demonstration of PCABX? Well then, if you're going to imply that they are paying *more* for their drivers than your hypothetical example, how much more do the drivers have to be for you to still claim that their markups aren't excessive vis a vis the Jupiters? Keep in mind that they have an almost $2000 two-way speaker. In order to buy direct from Focal you must buy at LEAST $3000.00 worth of drivers, the last time I checked. I suspect that a decent sized company probably buys more than that. |
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"dave weil" wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:37:55 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:01:46 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message nk.net This isn't a bad ideal. Many companies do the same thing - but they: - (1) do real research and testing Agreed. - (2) pay more than $20-$30 for their drivers Surprisingly, mostly wrong when it comest o consumer speaker drivers. More accurately stated: They buy their drivers in big enough quantities that $20-30 gets them just about *anything they want*. - (3) sell them for reasonable markups. Agreed. If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. You obviously can't count Weil, because my first statement has nothing to do with driver costs. Sorry, you are correct. I meant your second statement. I maintain that I *can* count however. If anything, I am guilty of skimming. If you were going to intelligently make this sort of comment, you'd address it to my second and third statements. Your post proves only that you can't count to three. Please come back when you obtain that skill. Well, now that I've acknowledged my mistake (and I was able to do it without your level of spleen and spite), you can accept that your demand is now met. Of course, I'm pretty sure that you knew that anyway. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I don't know what sort of volumes Bugtussel is moving. Bugtussel has one very strong advantage over Jupiter - a seasoned, technically-sophisticated chief designer who still remembers what he learned in his science classes, and aggressively built on a solid technical education over a period of years. Did I mention that the last time we worked together we did a demonstration of PCABX? Well then, if you're going to imply that they are paying *more* for their drivers than your hypothetical example, how much more do the drivers have to be for you to still claim that their markups aren't excessive vis a vis the Jupiters? Keep in mind that they have an almost $2000 two-way speaker. In order to buy direct from Focal you must buy at LEAST $3000.00 worth of drivers, the last time I checked. I suspect that a decent sized company probably buys more than that. |
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ScottW wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... And my hunch is the speakers sound worse. Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? The part that gives it more validity than uninformed speculation. You know, that behavior you complained people were showing toward your speakers. Except that doesn't take into account my level of experience. Henry Kissinger's hunch on what to do in the Middle East would be more valid than your opinion if you'd seen every classified document ever written on the subject. But now you're doing it. So, it's either ok, or your a hypocrite. You choose. See above. |
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ScottW wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... And my hunch is the speakers sound worse. Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? The part that gives it more validity than uninformed speculation. You know, that behavior you complained people were showing toward your speakers. Except that doesn't take into account my level of experience. Henry Kissinger's hunch on what to do in the Middle East would be more valid than your opinion if you'd seen every classified document ever written on the subject. But now you're doing it. So, it's either ok, or your a hypocrite. You choose. See above. |
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"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. That was probably his shock at your unbelievable gall in connecting such **** to his system. :-( He could be the only guy in the world who doesn't want to hurt Greg's feelings. Greg, he couldn't bear to tell you that they sound like mediocre little speakers. |
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"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. That was probably his shock at your unbelievable gall in connecting such **** to his system. :-( He could be the only guy in the world who doesn't want to hurt Greg's feelings. Greg, he couldn't bear to tell you that they sound like mediocre little speakers. |
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"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. Nice unbiased reporting? Remember, he was programmed at manufacture to be a sales droid. A droid's brain has limited versatility. If we were a little luckier, Princess Leila would pop out of his chest and tell him to **** off. |
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"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. Nice unbiased reporting? Remember, he was programmed at manufacture to be a sales droid. A droid's brain has limited versatility. If we were a little luckier, Princess Leila would pop out of his chest and tell him to **** off. |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... ScottW wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... Joseph Oberlander wrote: dave weil wrote: If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I was talking about other small firms that sell direct. I can guarantee Ellis puts twice the money in raw materials into his speakers as Greg does - especially in the quality of drivers. And my hunch is the speakers sound worse. Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? And my hunch is that "Jupiter Audio" speakers, when they're not incinerating the den room, sound pretty mediocre. Just a hunch. |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... ScottW wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... Joseph Oberlander wrote: dave weil wrote: If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I was talking about other small firms that sell direct. I can guarantee Ellis puts twice the money in raw materials into his speakers as Greg does - especially in the quality of drivers. And my hunch is the speakers sound worse. Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? And my hunch is that "Jupiter Audio" speakers, when they're not incinerating the den room, sound pretty mediocre. Just a hunch. |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. Trolling is hard work. This is shooting ducks in a barrel. |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. Trolling is hard work. This is shooting ducks in a barrel. |
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"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... [snip] Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. You're kidding! I imagined that Greg spent at least a couple hundred bucks on R&D. So Jupiter's R&D budget is equivalent to a tank of gas and a Happy Meal? |
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"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "Bill McCullough" wrote in message om... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... [snip] Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. You're kidding! I imagined that Greg spent at least a couple hundred bucks on R&D. So Jupiter's R&D budget is equivalent to a tank of gas and a Happy Meal? |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. That was probably his shock at your unbelievable gall in connecting such **** to his system. :-( He could be the only guy in the world who doesn't want to hurt Greg's feelings. Greg, he couldn't bear to tell you that they sound like mediocre little speakers. Ouch, Bob, that really hurts. It's like a shot right to the pancreas. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:26:02 GMT, trotsky wrote: Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. And what did the other guy think? It was never discussed. There was a moment, it couldn't have been more than a second, after the Dunlavys were reconnected where both of us were in shock, but nothing was said after that. That was probably his shock at your unbelievable gall in connecting such **** to his system. :-( He could be the only guy in the world who doesn't want to hurt Greg's feelings. Greg, he couldn't bear to tell you that they sound like mediocre little speakers. Ouch, Bob, that really hurts. It's like a shot right to the pancreas. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. Nice unbiased reporting? Remember, he was programmed at manufacture to be a sales droid. A droid's brain has limited versatility. If we were a little luckier, Princess Leila Who? |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? Well, I was over at a guy's house today comparing them to his $16,000 Dunlavy SC-Vs. I liked the sound of the Europas better, and it wasn't even as close as I thought it would be. Nice unbiased reporting? Remember, he was programmed at manufacture to be a sales droid. A droid's brain has limited versatility. If we were a little luckier, Princess Leila Who? |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message ... ScottW wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... Joseph Oberlander wrote: dave weil wrote: If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I was talking about other small firms that sell direct. I can guarantee Ellis puts twice the money in raw materials into his speakers as Greg does - especially in the quality of drivers. And my hunch is the speakers sound worse. Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? And my hunch is that "Jupiter Audio" speakers, when they're not incinerating the den room, sound pretty mediocre. Just a hunch. Judging by the mediocre crap that you own, that's not a very educated guess. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message ... ScottW wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... Joseph Oberlander wrote: dave weil wrote: If one agrees with your first statement, then one would have to disagree with the second, since there are plenty of 2 way speakers for $1600 or more (or 3 way speakers for $1800 or more) UNLESS you stipulate that Greg's markup is ALSO reasonable. One only has to look at Bugtussel as an example. I was talking about other small firms that sell direct. I can guarantee Ellis puts twice the money in raw materials into his speakers as Greg does - especially in the quality of drivers. And my hunch is the speakers sound worse. Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? And my hunch is that "Jupiter Audio" speakers, when they're not incinerating the den room, sound pretty mediocre. Just a hunch. Judging by the mediocre crap that you own, that's not a very educated guess. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. Trolling is hard work. This is shooting ducks in a barrel. What were the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I guess this is just another hunch, but I'm betting your writing is none too good. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. Trolling is hard work. This is shooting ducks in a barrel. What were the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I guess this is just another hunch, but I'm betting your writing is none too good. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "Bill McCullough" wrote in message .com... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrne wstxt.nz... [snip] Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. You're kidding! I imagined that Greg spent at least a couple hundred bucks on R&D. So Jupiter's R&D budget is equivalent to a tank of gas and a Happy Meal? Doesn't stop the speakers from sounding amazing, though. No shortage of ****heads on the 'net that are unable to appreciate good sound. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "Bill McCullough" wrote in message .com... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrne wstxt.nz... [snip] Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. You're kidding! I imagined that Greg spent at least a couple hundred bucks on R&D. So Jupiter's R&D budget is equivalent to a tank of gas and a Happy Meal? Doesn't stop the speakers from sounding amazing, though. No shortage of ****heads on the 'net that are unable to appreciate good sound. |
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trotsky wrote:
Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? That's all we have to go on, really - since only one person other than yourself has heard them. Given that the drivers are some of the lowest priced offerings from their manufacturers, and are also considered to be their entry level lines, it's not encouraging. |
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trotsky wrote:
Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? That's all we have to go on, really - since only one person other than yourself has heard them. Given that the drivers are some of the lowest priced offerings from their manufacturers, and are also considered to be their entry level lines, it's not encouraging. |
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Joseph Oberlander wrote:
trotsky wrote: Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? That's all we have to go on, really - since only one person other than yourself has heard them. Given that the drivers are some of the lowest priced offerings from their manufacturers, and are also considered to be their entry level lines, it's not encouraging. Sure they are, Joe. Just about every major driver manufacture makes drivers in that price range, and the Silver Flutes are the best value out of all of them. Why are you so afraid of the truth? |
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Joseph Oberlander wrote:
trotsky wrote: Have you heard them? Didn't think so or you would be sure they sounded worse. What part of the word "hunch" don't you understand? That's all we have to go on, really - since only one person other than yourself has heard them. Given that the drivers are some of the lowest priced offerings from their manufacturers, and are also considered to be their entry level lines, it's not encouraging. Sure they are, Joe. Just about every major driver manufacture makes drivers in that price range, and the Silver Flutes are the best value out of all of them. Why are you so afraid of the truth? |
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"trotsky" wrote in message link.net... Robert Morein wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. Trolling is hard work. This is shooting ducks in a barrel. What were the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I guess this is just another hunch, but I'm betting your writing is none too good. Let me help you out a little: "What are the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I have another hunch that your writing stinks." |
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"trotsky" wrote in message link.net... Robert Morein wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrnews txt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. Trolling is hard work. This is shooting ducks in a barrel. What were the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I guess this is just another hunch, but I'm betting your writing is none too good. Let me help you out a little: "What are the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I have another hunch that your writing stinks." |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ink.net... Robert Morein wrote: "Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "Bill McCullough" wrote in message .com... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrne wstxt.nz... [snip] Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. You're kidding! I imagined that Greg spent at least a couple hundred bucks on R&D. So Jupiter's R&D budget is equivalent to a tank of gas and a Happy Meal? Doesn't stop the speakers from sounding amazing, though. No shortage of ****heads on the 'net that are unable to appreciate good sound. Jesus, Joseph, and Mary, another miracle! |
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"trotsky" wrote in message ink.net... Robert Morein wrote: "Michael Mckelvy" wrote in message ... "Bill McCullough" wrote in message .com... The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrne wstxt.nz... [snip] Yes. For $40.00 Madisound will design a 2 way xover for anybody. I would recomend using better quality drivers, say Scan Speak or Focal. You can check out the Driver for The Jupiter speakers on Madisound's web site on their catalog page under Silver Flute. You're kidding! I imagined that Greg spent at least a couple hundred bucks on R&D. So Jupiter's R&D budget is equivalent to a tank of gas and a Happy Meal? Doesn't stop the speakers from sounding amazing, though. No shortage of ****heads on the 'net that are unable to appreciate good sound. Jesus, Joseph, and Mary, another miracle! |
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Robert Morein wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message link.net... Robert Morein wrote: "trotsky" wrote in message ... Bill McCullough wrote: The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra wrote in message news:18ttpvg3ai23uheslofprcjqmuli9g2ugi@rdmzrn ewstxt.nz... On 28 Oct 2003 11:04:49 -0800, (Bill McCullough) wrote: Are these things really as overpriced and under-engineered as everyone says they are? I see that they sell on Audiogon for around $450 a pair, is the $1600 MSRP a scam? These are Gerg's own words on how he 'designed' the product. You decide whether the speakers are worth $1600. http://tinyurl.com/qnhp So, it appears that this guy just ordered some speaker parts, had the speaker supply house design the crossover (for a fee), screwed the parts into a cabinet and BINGO!!! instant "audiophile" speaker company. Is that about the size of it? Oh dear, another troll. If it's so easy, troll, then do it. Trolling is hard work. This is shooting ducks in a barrel. What were the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I guess this is just another hunch, but I'm betting your writing is none too good. Let me help you out a little: "What are the ducks doing in a barrel, Bob? I have another hunch that your writing stinks." Agreed. |
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