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(OT) Why can't churches just call a band, a band?
I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky
name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? |
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"Leon Trotsky" wrote in message ... I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Are you expecting rational behavior from an institution based on an irrational myth? |
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 21:10:53 GMT, Leon Trotsky
wrote: I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? Simple really. Those involved with churches will lie about this as they lie about everything else. d -- http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky
name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? Simple really. Those involved with churches will lie about this as they lie about everything else. An actual answer.. They call it a worship team because usually it includes many volunteer members who perform on rotation or as available. This way there is a variety of performers and the performers can work around there own schedules. No evil lie involved. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"Leon Trotsky" wrote in message
... I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? "They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance. They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ. They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave." Job 21:11... I love that verse. There was a long tradition in the Christian church that prohibited instrumental music because it was how "Jews and pagans worshipped." The introduction of the pipe organ into church services created a huge controversy in the 14th century. Introducing modern musical instruments -- especially electric guitars and drum sets -- into Christian services begs a certain amount of rationalization. dtk |
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dt king wrote:
Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? "They send forth their little ones like a flock, and their children dance. They take the timbrel and harp, and rejoice at the sound of the organ. They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave." Job 21:11... Sounds okay to me, not a bad way to go. A favorite T-shirt http://www.lythastudios.com/clothes/pagan/tee1.html |
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Everything about churches is an evil lie. I guess you have it all figured out..I don't but I knew the answer to the question where you just offered your out of context opinion....imagine that. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Isn't this what Kevin Bacon said in Footloose at the city council meeting.
later, m |
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Leon Trotsky wrote: I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? bands play on stages worship teams lead praise from alters lol george |
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Leon Trotsky wrote:
I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Sometimes they do. At my church, it's called both a "worship team" and "the Gateway band". ("Gateway" is the short name for the church.) One possible reason is that a "worship team" implies that it's trying to accomplish something a little different than just a plain band. A band plays music because they like to or because it's fun or because they have delusions of being a big rock star. A worship band plays music because they want to lead worship, and music is one good way of doing that. The music is important, but it's not primarily about the music. It's sort of like the difference between a chauffeur and a race car driver. By the way, if anyone is wondering (because I know it's the burning question that keeps you from sleeping at night), I hate stupid wordy terminology like "human resources" as much as the next guy. I used to go to a college that did not have a library; it had a "Learning Resource Center" or "LRC". This was the same school where, when I had dropped too many classes (and got put on "progress probation", which means you've dropped too many classes) mainly due to getting a job to support myself, I was required to go to the Learning Resource Center and play a computerized game that was suspiciously similar to Candy Land. Except in order to advance, I had to correctly answer multiple choices questions like: If I had $200, I would spend it on a) whores b) booze c) that nifty new sweater they have at the department store d) a tutor so I can do well in my classes It really was almost that dumb. I tried answering 90% of them with practical, academic-progress-friendly answers and 10% of them with hey-I'm-doing-well-I'll-reward-myself-just-a-little answers. I thought a nice 90% work, 10% play balance would be a pretty good approach, but apparently if you don't spend 100% of your money and 100% of your time on school, you're evil, at least according to this game. Eventually I got (re-)admitted to a real four year college where they had numerous LIBRARIES but not a single Learning Resource Center anywhere in sight. The lack of an LRC didn't seem to impede my learning though. OK, end of random tangent... - Logan |
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On 09 May 2004 22:04:26 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote:
Everything about churches is an evil lie. I guess you have it all figured out..I don't but I knew the answer to the question where you just offered your out of context opinion....imagine that. No, mine was the real answer. d -- http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
... Everything about churches is an evil lie. Perhaps organized religion in it's hierarchy and practices, but for all practical purposes I've never seen a church that didn't have good honest people doing good honest work. Having said that, I've found that most people of loosely associated religions are more likely to be forgiving of ideologies such as gays or practices that a devote church goer would be more likely to look down on. Unmarried couples living together, childbirth out of wedlock, etc. And it's just as likely that many devote church goers are as likely to lie on their taxes or use "legitimate" tax shelters, keep the wrong change from the grocery store, etc. People are people, but religion is just plain scary. When one thinks about the fact that organized religion has been the cause of death for 200,000,000 people, it does give one pause. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 05:53:28 -0400, "Roger W. Norman"
wrote: People are people, but religion is just plain scary. When one thinks about the fact that organized religion has been the cause of death for 200,000,000 people, it does give one pause. Yeah. Religion is a neat, unthinking way to categorise people. It has the advantage that it allows you to hate people without geographical, racial or political restriction. Very useful! Of course, like other forms of collectivism (just threw that word in to annoy the Yanks:-) organised religion has its positive aspects too. CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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This College doesn't happen to be on the West Coast, about 20 miles from the
mexican border, and have teh initials GC does it? Chris Warner "Logan Shaw" wrote in message ... By the way, if anyone is wondering (because I know it's the burning question that keeps you from sleeping at night), I hate stupid wordy terminology like "human resources" as much as the next guy. I used to go to a college that did not have a library; it had a "Learning Resource Center" or "LRC". This was the same school where, when I had dropped too many classes (and got put on "progress probation", which means you've dropped too many classes) mainly due to getting a job to support myself, I was required to go to the Learning Resource Center and play a computerized game that was suspiciously similar to Candy Land. Except in order to advance, I had to correctly answer multiple choices questions like: If I had $200, I would spend it on a) whores b) booze c) that nifty new sweater they have at the department store d) a tutor so I can do well in my classes It really was almost that dumb. I tried answering 90% of them with practical, academic-progress-friendly answers and 10% of them with hey-I'm-doing-well-I'll-reward-myself-just-a-little answers. I thought a nice 90% work, 10% play balance would be a pretty good approach, but apparently if you don't spend 100% of your money and 100% of your time on school, you're evil, at least according to this game. Eventually I got (re-)admitted to a real four year college where they had numerous LIBRARIES but not a single Learning Resource Center anywhere in sight. The lack of an LRC didn't seem to impede my learning though. OK, end of random tangent... - Logan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 4/27/2004 |
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On 09 May 2004 21:25:37 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote:
An actual answer.. They call it a worship team because usually it includes many volunteer members who perform on rotation or as available. This way there is a variety of performers and the performers can work around there own schedules. No evil lie involved. I call that a band. This exactly fits the description of a "community band". Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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Leon Trotsky wrote:
I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Tell the truth. So many things seem to have different names in a church. The platform is never a stage, the sermon is never a seminar, the service is never a show, the worship leader is never a MC, singing in front of people with a pre-recorded song track is never Karaoke... Just to name a few. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? When in Rome... (no pun intended). Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? I've seen the Bible twisted to justify and/or condemn just about any kind of human activity, from justifying racial segregation to condemning boys and girls using the same swimming pool. I wish I were making this up. If you get the Bible, you realize that it is very much about context. There are a few absolutes, but probably not nearly as many nor as clear-cut, as some alleged authorities seem to like to claim. |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 07:40:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: Leon Trotsky wrote: I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Tell the truth. So many things seem to have different names in a church. The platform is never a stage, the sermon is never a seminar, the service is never a show, the worship leader is never a MC, singing in front of people with a pre-recorded song track is never Karaoke... Just to name a few. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? When in Rome... (no pun intended). Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? I've seen the Bible twisted to justify and/or condemn just about any kind of human activity, from justifying racial segregation to condemning boys and girls using the same swimming pool. I wish I were making this up. If you get the Bible, you realize that it is very much about context. There are a few absolutes, but probably not nearly as many nor as clear-cut, as some alleged authorities seem to like to claim. A book written by lawyers, for lawyers. d -- http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Don Pearce wrote:
On Mon, 10 May 2004 07:40:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Leon Trotsky wrote: I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Tell the truth. So many things seem to have different names in a church. The platform is never a stage, the sermon is never a seminar, the service is never a show, the worship leader is never a MC, singing in front of people with a pre-recorded song track is never Karaoke... Just to name a few. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? When in Rome... (no pun intended). Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? I've seen the Bible twisted to justify and/or condemn just about any kind of human activity, from justifying racial segregation to condemning boys and girls using the same swimming pool. I wish I were making this up. If you get the Bible, you realize that it is very much about context. There are a few absolutes, but probably not nearly as many nor as clear-cut, as some alleged authorities seem to like to claim. A book written by lawyers, for lawyers. Perhaps, except that one of its most important points is about the inherent flaws in legalism. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Leon Trotsky wrote: I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Tell the truth. So many things seem to have different names in a church. The platform is never a stage, the sermon is never a seminar, the service is never a show, the worship leader is never a MC, singing in front of people with a pre-recorded song track is never Karaoke... Just to name a few. I understand that it's the gallery and not the balcony, it's the narthex and not the lobby, and they play an offertorium instead of an intermission riff. But singing in front of people with a pre-recorded sound track is ALWAYS Karaoke no matter what they try and call it. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: Leon Trotsky wrote: I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Tell the truth. So many things seem to have different names in a church. The platform is never a stage, the sermon is never a seminar, the service is never a show, the worship leader is never a MC, singing in front of people with a pre-recorded song track is never Karaoke... Just to name a few. I understand that it's the gallery and not the balcony, Not true for my church. Somehow we manage to call the balcony the balcony, and have done so for at least 55 years. it's the narthex and not the lobby, roger! and they play an offertorium instead of an intermission riff. Offertory. The -ium got lost someplace along the way. But singing in front of people with a pre-recorded sound track is ALWAYS Karaoke no matter what they try and call it. LOL! |
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(Blind Joni) wrote in message ...
Everything about churches is an evil lie. I guess you have it all figured out..I don't but I knew the answer to the question where you just offered your out of context opinion....imagine that. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 No you don't no the answer to that question either.The main reason churches give names to bands is to force conformity to the churches identity upon the band.This works pretty much the same way in very big corporations who also put together "teams" and "committes", which virtualy all do.The idea is to force the individual to be subsumed by and subordinate to the collective organization so that it will be possible to easily overlook the fact that virtualy every word uttered is false.Some people are very comfortable with this,you might even be one of them,to bad,I wouldn't say all churches are neccesariliy evil,but all religion is a lie,sorry to burst your bubble. |
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Logan Shaw wrote in message ...
Leon Trotsky wrote: I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? While Muslim fanatics are blowing up people all around the world in the name of their god, Christians are condemned for using fancy titles for their bands, and trying to follow the teachings of Jesus. If thats the worst we do, I'll take it. You must really dislike Christians for some reason to go to the trouble of writing a post on something this Micky-Mouse. If you want to know what Christianity really is, go see "The Passion of Christ". Dale, Volunteer Church Sound Man. |
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People are people, but religion is just plain scary. When one thinks about the fact that organized religion has been the cause of death for 200,000,000 people, it does give one pause. I don't say it's wrong, but where did you find that number? Norm Strong |
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On 10 May 2004 07:47:32 -0700, (Shadetree)
wrote: While Muslim fanatics are blowing up people all around the world in the name of their god, Christians are condemned for using fancy titles for their bands, and trying to follow the teachings of Jesus. er... Don't forget that quite a lot of people and property have been blown up by Western forces. We call it a "police action" or "peacekeeping". The victims probably find it hard to be suitably grateful and might even feel they'd been subject to terrorism. Poor misguided fools :-( Whatever politicians do, they tend to call God in as support. Blame them, not God. Even if he is being called Allah that day. CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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They call it a worship team because usually it includes many volunteer
members who perform on rotation or as available. This way there is a variety of performers and the performers can work around there own schedules. No evil lie involved. I call that a band. This exactly fits the description of a "community band". In practice this results in a different "band" each week..at least in my church. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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A book written by lawyers, for lawyers.
Perhaps, except that one of its most important points is about the inherent flaws in legalism. The New Testament anyway. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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The main reason
churches give names to bands is to force conformity to the churches identity upon the band.This works pretty much the same way in very big corporations who also put together "teams" and "committes", which virtualy all do.The idea is to force the individual to be subsumed by and subordinate to the collective organization so that it will be possible to easily overlook the fact that virtualy every word uttered is false.Some people are very comfortable with this,you might even be one of them,to bad,I wouldn't say all churches are neccesariliy evil,but all religion is a lie,sorry to burst your bubble. We have already argued this before...neither side can prove anything absolutely..I choose what I choose..you choose what you choose. I respect that. You call me a liar..I don't assume anything in particular about you..why all the fervor that someone might believe different than you? Do you also have political bumper stickers on your car? Think that makes a difference? Only in the bank account of the sticker maker. Noone is going to change anyone's mind by agruing what cannot be proven. Some people enjoy being part of a team. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Chris Warner wrote:
This College doesn't happen to be on the West Coast, about 20 miles from the mexican border, and have teh initials GC does it? Nope. Right coast, but wrong distance. It was about 475 miles away from the border. It was De Anza College (in the Bay Area). Same state though, so it could be the same Candy Land software. What I really hated about that software was not so much the fact that it was horribly insulting and juvenile; instead, it was the amount of money that I know they must've spent buying and setting up the computers to run it. They could've used that money to, say, not serve food in the cafeteria that gives you really painful stomach problems for several days right before final exams. On the other hand, while some of the teachers there were not so hot, one of them was probably the best teacher I've ever met. I can honestly say without this guy, I'd never have gotten a degree. Because, you see, I flunked calculus 4 times before taking it from him. But when he taught it, suddenly it seemed pretty easy and I got a high A. - Logan |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Tell the truth. So many things seem to have different names in a church. The platform is never a stage, the sermon is never a seminar, the service is never a show, the worship leader is never a MC, singing in front of people with a pre-recorded song track is never Karaoke... Just to name a few. It's never Karaoke? It is now! That's what I'm going to start calling it: Church Karaoke. Actually, though, at my church we do use many of those terms. The stage is a stage. The sermon is actually usually a "talk". The worship leader and the pastor and the guy doing announcements are all listed under the "MC" column on the cue sheet. We don't have a term for singing in front of people with prerecorded music because it never, ever happens[1]. It's virtually one of the founding principles of the church. :-) - Logan [1] Except at weddings, but then you have all kinds of things happening at weddings. Some of them are awesome, some are realllly cheesy. |
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Logan Shaw wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: Tell the truth. So many things seem to have different names in a church. The platform is never a stage, the sermon is never a seminar, the service is never a show, the worship leader is never a MC, singing in front of people with a pre-recorded song track is never Karaoke... Just to name a few. It's never Karaoke? It is now! That's what I'm going to start calling it: Church Karaoke. Actually, though, at my church we do use many of those terms. The stage is a stage. The sermon is actually usually a "talk". Let me guess - a "Seeker friendly church"? No matter what, mazel tov. The worship leader and the pastor and the guy doing announcements are all listed under the "MC" column on the cue sheet. Cue sheets don't count, they're for the insiders. ;-) We don't have a term for singing in front of people with prerecorded music because it never, ever happens[1]. It's virtually one of the founding principles of the church. :-) Good for you. Doing your own accompaniments for contemporary songs is one of those things that you can do when you have a competent band. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Let me guess - a "Seeker friendly church"? You guessed it. Good for you. Doing your own accompaniments for contemporary songs is one of those things that you can do when you have a competent band. Of course not every church has a competent band. I was once in a church band that hopped back and forth across the border between the competent and the incompetent. ;-) Current church (whose band I am not in (yet?)) does pop song covers and worship tunes. Yesterday it was a King's X song ("It's lo-o-ove that holds us all together") as an opener, a few rock-based worship tunes, and finally Coldplay's "Clocks" as the offertory. And they actually managed to do a good job with the cover tunes, both of which weren't easy. - Logan |
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I don't know what they call that stuff that churches do with the singing to a taped backing track, but it ain't karaoake. the Nuns would have called it Penance for us in the congregation :-) George |
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"normanstrong" wrote in message news:F1Nnc.20043$iF6.2028246@attbi_s02... People are people, but religion is just plain scary. When one thinks about the fact that organized religion has been the cause of death for 200,000,000 people, it does give one pause. I don't say it's wrong, but where did you find that number? Norm Strong I think he's under-estimating. Virtually every war through history has a basis that's inclusive of a religious doctrine. DM |
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"Leon Trotsky" wrote in message ... I'm always puzzled by the fact that churches have to make up some dorky name for their band. Why does it always have to be called a worship team or something like that, why the heck can't they just call it a band? Is there something in the bible that says "bands are evil" so they are trying to distance themselves from that? Everyone at my church calls the band either, 'the band', or by the name they record and perform under... "Rejoice". Then again, they all get paid to be there, too. DM |
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