$22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845 Electronluv.
http://www.electronluv.com
Interesting.

Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

In article
(Glenn Davis) writes:
$22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845
Electronluv.
http://www.electronluv.com
Interesting.

Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

And you will need to dispose of these as toxic waste due to the mercury vapor
tubes in the power supply.

-Jay
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x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ----x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

(Glenn Davis) wrote in
:

$22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845
Electronluv. http://www.electronluv.com
Interesting.

At an estimated (!) 20 wpc, that's only $550 per watt.

(Glenn Davis) wrote in message ...
$22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845 Electronluv.
http://www.electronluv.com

I see you're keeping abreast of the latest in audio technology.

Interesting.
Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

I wrote:
At least this site DOES list prices.


Correction: Electronluv does list prices on the site...you just have to dig for
them. I also took a recent gawk at Edgarhorn Vintage Titan Speaker..and this
site is also interesting (or not, depending on one's point of view):

http://cain-cain.hypermart.net/audio/index.html


Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

On 22 Aug 2003 13:56:41 -0700, (Ben
Bradley) wrote:

I see you're keeping abreast of the latest in audio technology.

Truth being stranger than fact, an amplifier with a single 845
can sound pretty convincing. I built two channels back in 1994
and still use that amp for all critical listening.

And my poor old back being incapable of moving the blasted
thing is only *part* of the reason why.

Chris Hornbeck
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

Carey Carlan wrote:

Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?

I guess you listen to music about 10dB quieter than a 30W amp. Or,
you listen at the same volume, and hear music with the transients
shaved off and lots of 2nd-harmonic distortion "sweetening" the music.

ulysses

you drive really effcient speakers. There's a whole group of people into the
low-watt single-ended triode thing. A lot of them use horns or Lowthers.


P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

(Fill X) wrote in
:

you drive really effcient speakers. There's a whole group of people
into the low-watt single-ended triode thing. A lot of them use horns
or Lowthers.

How big would a horn have to be to provide decent bass response?

wow a $500 Nitelite!
if you buy this you have too much money.

vk

Carey Carlan wrote:

(Fill X) wrote in
:

you drive really effcient speakers. There's a whole group of people
into the low-watt single-ended triode thing. A lot of them use horns
or Lowthers.

How big would a horn have to be to provide decent bass response?

Klipschorns were about the same footprint as a refrigerator

--
Les Cargill

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:27:42 GMT, Carey Carlan
wrote:

How big would a horn have to be to provide decent bass response?

The mouth needs to be at least half a wavelength or so. You
pretty much just can't get there from here.

OTOH, for nearfield (1 meter) listening distance, a pair of
3 watt (+5 dBW) amplifiers and a pair of ordinary 89 dB SPL/1W/1M
speakers make 97 dB SPL peaks. Enough for many uses.

Chris Hornbeck
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

Carey Carlan wrote:
(Glenn Davis) wrote in
:

Just call me Mr. Nostalgia ;-)
This stuff is just as interesting:

http://www.mothaudio.com

Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?

Drive high efficiency horns.

The Altec A-7 can fill an auditorium from the jack of a Walkman. Some
of the high efficiency horns that the Japanese are big on for home use
are almost in that same (115 dB/W at 1M) league.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Justin Ulysses Morse wrote:

Carey Carlan wrote:

Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?

I guess you listen to music about 10dB quieter than a 30W amp. Or,
you listen at the same volume, and hear music with the transients
shaved off and lots of 2nd-harmonic distortion "sweetening" the music.

Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

--
hank alrich * secret mountain
audio recording * music production * sound reinforcement
"If laughter is the best medicine let's take a double dose"

On 24 Aug 2003 09:57:46 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Do a web search on "Altec A-7," "Altec X-1," "JBL Corner Horn" and
"EV Patrician." I forget the name of the big Tannoy folded horn
system but it was almost as big as the X-1.

GRF

Kal

"Brad Blackwood" wrote in
:

"LeBaron & Alrich" wrote in message
...
Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

Your ears will bleed from either the level or the tone (or both)...

But you can't get 3 watts from a 3 watt amplifier unless you're playing the
latest pop hit. I'd expect even the Klipsch to require some headroom on
loud parts with anything in the bass.

My 1987 product guide lists a Klipshorn at 104 dB at 1 watt, 1 meter. My
Altecs Model 19's are in that vicinity and, while my listening levels
usually ride below 3 watts, there are moments when 300 is more like it.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:47:07 -0500, "Brad Blackwood"
wrote:

"LeBaron & Alrich" wrote in message
.. .
Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

Your ears will bleed from either the level or the tone (or both)...

3 Watts gives 109dB SPL at 1 meter peaks from K-horns. The
flip side of this is that 60 or 80 dB down from the full
output of a big solid-state amplifier, where its output
is dirty and noisy, is in the working range of K-horns.

Folks who've only heard K-horns driven by big "modern"
amplifiers complain, quite rightly, about tone quality.
The important part of the amplifier's transfer characteristics,
in the mid-70's dB SPL for example, is in the milliwatt
range.

And a good milliwatt amplifier does *not* come automatically
from a good multiwatt amplifier. Often (usually) the opposite.
Monotonicity is hard to get, sometimes leading to some
strange solutions, like single-ended triode output amps.

Chris Hornbeck

LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
Justin Ulysses Morse wrote:
Carey Carlan wrote:
Pardon the stupid question. Just what does one do with a 3 watt amp?

I guess you listen to music about 10dB quieter than a 30W amp. Or,
you listen at the same volume, and hear music with the transients
shaved off and lots of 2nd-harmonic distortion "sweetening" the music.

Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

They make your music go straight ahead for ten miles and sound like it's
coming through a telephone!
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:

LeBaron & Alrich wrote:

Feed Klipschorns 3 watts and listen what happens.

They make your music go straight ahead for ten miles and sound like it's
coming through a telephone!

But it's loud enough, yeah? g

I bought my first good tape decks, ReVox's, and first good mics, Beyers,
and first decent monitors, JBL's, and first good amps, McIntoshes, back
in the late '60's from Bill Case Sound in San Antonio, the city's
audiophile joint. They had those horns in the corners of the main room,
hooked to a McIntosh 2300 with that switchable metering to let full
scale read 3, 30, or 300 watts per channel. The sales guy I dealt with,
Bjorn something, showed me one day how loud the horns went when the
needle hit 3 watts. Since I knew less than nothing I was at least
impressed with the SPL, though it then meant "volume" to me.

--
ha

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
...
Folks who've only heard K-horns driven by big "modern"
amplifiers complain, quite rightly, about tone quality.
The important part of the amplifier's transfer characteristics,
in the mid-70's dB SPL for example, is in the milliwatt
range.

And a good milliwatt amplifier does *not* come automatically
from a good multiwatt amplifier. Often (usually) the opposite.
Monotonicity is hard to get, sometimes leading to some
strange solutions, like single-ended triode output amps.

Used to sell them years ago and have heard them with big kilowatt amps as
well as small tweako SE amps.

They sounded terrible either way, imo.
-----------------
Brad Blackwood
www.euphonicmasters.com

(Glenn Davis) wrote in message ...
$22,000.00 buys you a built to order (sold in monoblock pairs) 845 Electronluv.
http://www.electronluv.com
Interesting.

Glenn Davis
"Creating the perfect mix is like painting a 747 with Q-Tips"

The worst "botique" hi-fi thing I ever saw was this outfit that sold
cables.

$6,500 (YES SIX THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS) for a stereo, one meter
interconnect cable with "gold plated" RCA jacks on either end.

I guess this would make your Walmart CD player sound awesome...

Analogeezer

In rec.audio.pro, Chris Hornbeck
wrote:

On 22 Aug 2003 13:56:41 -0700, (Ben
Bradley) wrote:

I see you're keeping abreast of the latest in audio technology.

Truth being stranger than fact, an amplifier with a single 845
can sound pretty convincing.

Sound quality and "the latest in audio technology" aside, I was
trying to make an oblique comment about the physical design of this
thing. It looks to me like something John Ashcroft would feel the need
to throw a towel over.

That pic again:

http://www.electronluv.com

Maybe the implication is that. for $22k, the BUYER is a boob...

I built two channels back in 1994
and still use that amp for all critical listening.

And my poor old back being incapable of moving the blasted
thing is only *part* of the reason why.

Chris Hornbeck
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

Well of course it's worth $22,000. It has tits, chrome tits!!!

(Buster Mudd) wrote in message . com...
(Analogeezer) wrote in message . com...


Actually what I find really hilarious is the link to pictures that
shows his recording studio, circa 2001.

Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
botique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
me.


I was recently involved in an "audiophile" system installation in the
home of a senior VP for one of the (few remaining) big record labels.
Guy spends $75,000 on a pair of speakers. Another $56,000 on a pair of
monoblock power amps. $12,000 on cables to connect it all together.

Then he has us burn his entire CD collection as 128kbps MP3 files so
they can all fit on a single hard drive music server.

Did you point that out to him, or did you keep quiet - not wanting to
disturb his "audiophile" mentality? I'd be curious to know how he
reacted if you told him...

(SoundCheck) wrote in message . com...
(Buster Mudd) wrote in message . com...
(Analogeezer) wrote in message . com...


Actually what I find really hilarious is the link to pictures that
shows his recording studio, circa 2001.

Front and center is a Mackie 8 bus. Now I'm not gonna say that's a
total POS, but how you go from running a studio with one to building
botique golden ears $22,000 power amps seems like a bit of a jump to
me.


I was recently involved in an "audiophile" system installation in the
home of a senior VP for one of the (few remaining) big record labels.
Guy spends $75,000 on a pair of speakers. Another $56,000 on a pair of
monoblock power amps. $12,000 on cables to connect it all together.

Then he has us burn his entire CD collection as 128kbps MP3 files so
they can all fit on a single hard drive music server.

Did you point that out to him, or did you keep quiet - not wanting to
disturb his "audiophile" mentality? I'd be curious to know how he
reacted if you told him...


I wasn't really in a position to present opinions directly to the
client, just a cog in the machine on this gig. I made my feelings
known to the project manager, who did what any savvy business person
would: weighed that info against the clients' personality type &
decided it was easier to Give Him What He Wants.

In article ,
"Glenn Dowdy" wrote:

"Buster Mudd" wrote in message
om...
I wasn't really in a position to present opinions directly to the
client, just a cog in the machine on this gig. I made my feelings
known to the project manager, who did what any savvy business person
would: weighed that info against the clients' personality type &
decided it was easier to Give Him What He Wants.

What type of hard drive storage was it?

Glenn D.



Buster should have had him audition different hard drives and interfaces
and decide which one sounded the best.

that could have been good for another $10,000.00

Buster Mudd wrote:

Give Him What He Wants.

Which in this case seems also to be what he needs. g

--
ha

$22,000 isn't even close to the high price on some monoblocks.

I saw oneriviewed in "The Absolute Sound" that was $55,000, but itwas
something like 300 watts.

If goofy opinions are your forte, reading that magazine is a hoot.
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

TAS was always too cork-sniffing for my taste. However, like many things I used
to find it informitive in spite of itself.


P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:27:42 GMT, Carey Carlan
wrote:

How big would a horn have to be to provide decent bass response?

For some big fun, catch:
www.mkv.mh.se/personal/per/blackhole/audio


Chris Hornbeck

Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to the
nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for home
listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks to
get the real thing.

Sure. But then you can't listen to Toscanini, Reiner, Gilels...

Peace,
Paul

P Stamler wrote:
Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to the
nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for home
listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks to
get the real thing.

Sure. But then you can't listen to Toscanini, Reiner, Gilels...

But I can already hear the NBC engineer riding gain on those Toscanini
recordings as it is... I think I'll take the local conductor at the Richmond
Symphony instead.
--scott

Just leave the damn knob ALONE, please.
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

P Stamler wrote:

John Washburn wrote:
Wouldn't it be a lot simpler and cheaper just to get season tickets to
the
nearest world class Symphony/Opera/etc? Even if you live in the middle of
nowhere, it has to be less hassle to just get a basic nice system for
home
listening and then fly to NY, London, Berlin or wherever every few weeks
to
get the real thing.

Sure. But then you can't listen to Toscanini, Reiner, Gilels...


Well, that's what yer basic nice system (whatever that means to you) is for.
And as Scott sort of pointed out, many of those classic recordings have
technical problems which are revealed by comparatively modest systems.

After a certain point, what does one's playback system really need to do? If
you really care about the *music*, and you're listening carefully to
acoustic music, then it seems like any reproduction system, no matter how
fancy, is going to come in second to the experience of actually being there.
So, my point was: wouldn't it ultimately be easier to just go to the source
for a totally realistic listening experience?

Even if you don't live anywhere near a world class symphony, it would
probably be less resource intensive to fly to a city with one from time to
time than it would be to build one of these ultra high-end fetishized
audiophile monuments to sonic voodoo.

-jw

well, stereo is a hobby too. Vinyl is particularly oriented for the
fetishistic. I go hear live music, and I spend money on my stereo so i can
listen to my record collection. At the point where I start listening to the
*sound* of music rather than music, hopefully I'll stop. But just to be fair,
think about what a recording facillity costs. Some people can't fathom 7000
dollars on one microphone., but it's like anything, once you make some music
with it , it's priceless.

I've really enjoyed my stereo habit, it makes listening to music that much
nicer and i listen to music a lot. Some people spend 100 grand on a car because
they like to drive. I don't even own a car.


P h i l i p

______________________________

"I'm too ****ing busy and vice-versa"

- Dorothy Parker

John Washburn wrote:

Even if you don't live anywhere near a world class symphony, it would
probably be less resource intensive to fly to a city with one from time to
time than it would be to build one of these ultra high-end fetishized
audiophile monuments to sonic voodoo.

j

Firstly, there's the situation where nobody is playing what you want to
hear this week, and secondly, if one is spending that kind of money for
entertainment, who's giving a **** about "resource intensive"?

/j

--
ha