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What's all this gum-beating about "tests"?
Is somebody trying to peddle some "test" equipment on the audio newsgroups? I can't figure out the point of this discussion. Who would want to go to all the trouble of setting up a scientifically meaningful "test" just to decide which CD player to get? I don't think there's a shred of realism in this ideology. If you want "science", you can't just have a friend switch the components back and forth, and then try to decide which is which. That's not a real "test", it's just a crude simulation. If you want a real "test", you need testing equipment, a truly quiet environment, and meaningful controls of bias. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. So I have to think that after one of these inane go-rounds about "tests", somebody is going to pop up with an offer to sell some "test" equipment. When it happens, we can all laugh about the salesman who tried to sell snow to Eskimos. |
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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net wrote in message Is somebody trying to peddle some "test" equipment on the audio newsgroups? Yes. We've got a problem here with people who seem to think that CD players and amplifiers are test equipment that everybody needs to buy. I can't figure out the point of this discussion. Given your demonstrated lack of interest in audio Middius, this surprises me very little. Who would want to go to all the trouble of setting up a scientifically meaningful "test" just to decide which CD player to get? Good question. People like Pinkerton and I tell people that CD players tend to sound very much alike. Therefore they should make their CD player choices based other factors that are more important to them. Unfortunately we've got the technologically backward nay-sayers like Fella, who want people to believe that their are mind-boggling audible differences between CD players, amplifiers and everything else. They're the guys who are peddling tests - in their case sighted, non-level-matched, non-time-synched listening tests. They're the guys who are peddling test equipment, in their case people should buy this amplifier and test it at home, and then buy that amplifier and test it at home, and so forth. I don't think there's a shred of realism in this ideology. Middius, you're not even a real person. How can you logically present yourself as a judge of realism? Look at the people around you like Art and Surf. They are so ashamed of what they post here and their long-term close association with you that they won't even use their real names here. If you want "science", you can't just have a friend switch the components back and forth, and then try to decide which is which. It's not about science, its about doing a reasonble comparison. That is, if you are actually going to do the listening tests that people lik Fella and Art keep pushing. That's not a real "test", it's just a crude simulation. Agreed, what that kind of test procedure there's no level-matching and there's no time-synching so of course everything will sound different, which is what Art and Fella keep pushing. If you want a real "test", you need testing equipment, a truly quiet environment, and meaningful controls of bias. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. Since when are you an expert about testing, Middius? What good listening tests have you done and where have you posted the results? Have you written any papers or magazine articles about testing? Since when have you been in favor of testing audio equipment? Why the change of heart? So I have to think that after one of these inane go-rounds about "tests", somebody is going to pop up with an offer to sell some "test" equipment. Seems like a worthy business opportunity for you Middius, given that you have no known job, no known tradem, no known business, no known education, and no known means of support. When it happens, we can all laugh about the salesman who tried to sell snow to Eskimos. Whatever that means. |
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George M. Middius wrote: Is somebody trying to peddle some "test" equipment on the audio newsgroups? etc,,,,,,,,,Snip... Please **** off back to the Land of The Brave and Zenophobic. We have enough nut cases of our own here on Aus.Hi-Fi. |
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"Ayn Marx" wrote in message
oups.com George M. Middius wrote: Is somebody trying to peddle some "test" equipment on the audio newsgroups? etc,,,,,,,,,Snip... Please **** off back to the Land of The Brave and Zenophobic. We have enough nut cases of our own here on Aus.Hi-Fi. The irony is that we have an Aussie who wants to chase all the xenophobic Americans out of her sacred little part of the world. Yes, she wants to chase the foreigners out! Naah, Ayn isn't a xenophobe, no not even a little bit! ;-) |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Good question. People like Pinkerton and I tell people that CD players tend to sound very much alike. You impose your misconceptions upon people, you try to rob them of their freedom of choice and preference, you try to rob them of their potential audio enjoyment. It's almost criminal. There is almost a touch of evil in ferstlers cynicism of "everything sounds the same you dumb tweakos" attitude, for instance. What's more, you people seem to be going after the high-end industry. You'd be happy if they all just buckled up and whithered away into bankruptcy. I don't want my kids to have to listen to music from wicked sounding metallic assembly line crap gear produced with only cost-effectiveness in mind and nothing else. Therefore they should make their CD player choices based other factors that are more important to them. Thus you mislead them. Unfortunately we've got the technologically backward nay-sayers like Fella, who want people to believe that their are mind-boggling audible differences between CD players, amplifiers and everything else. I wouldn't go so far as to say "mind-boggling" .. When or if a piece of equipment introduces mind-boggling huge differences to the music, it is IMHO, somewhat "improper". It almost leads to means taking over the end, that is, we have audio equipment in order to be able to listen to music, yes, but with an amp like the BAT, you have music in order to be able to listen to the luscious, extravagant, grandiose sound of the amp! Some might "prefer" to have things that way, OK. But to me, it's improper, though I am not offended by it in any way. (It was quite a surprise actually. I had expected the BAT to sound more like the lean, fast densen but with a better, a bit more daring bass slam. Though it was fast, not the usually flatulent, slow bass one gets from tube amps, but it turned out it was a tube-wannabe in the midrange.) They're the guys who are peddling tests - in their case sighted, non-level-matched, non-time-synched listening tests. You are the one peddling tests. I just merely say that the tests you meddle do not work, since they kill off existing subtle differences, what with the setup and the actual act of being subjected to them. I just resist. I trust what I hear. in their case people should buy this amplifier and test it at home, You do not need to buy something to test it at home. I never said that people should constantly buy amps and switch them around. You have trouble enough trying to express yourself, don't try it on my behalf also. Agreed, what that kind of test procedure there's no level-matching and there's no time-synching so of course everything will sound different, which is what Art and Fella keep pushing. This is another example of your bull**** arny. There has been many instances where with sighted auditioning a given piece of equipment sounded almost identical to the piece it was supposed to better. Since when are you an expert about testing, Middius? Compared to you my dog is an expert-shlexpert on testing. And just think, I don't even have a dog. |
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"Fella" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Good question. People like Pinkerton and I tell people that CD players tend to sound very much alike. You impose your misconceptions upon people, Fella, you make it sound like Pinkerton and I have some supernatural control over readers. Reading our posts is a free choice. Our posts unlike yours Fella, are headed up with our correct legal names. If people don't want to be influenced by us, they have free control over their thoughts and minds. you try to rob them of their freedom of choice and preference, Fella, how do we rob people of their freedom via Usenet? It appears that you are trying to rob us of our rights to free speech by telling lies about us. you try to rob them of their potential audio enjoyment. Which audio enjoyment is that, Fella. Is it the enjoyment of being duped into buying overpriced audio gear by nameless aliases such as yourself who take advantage of the untracable nature of Usenet to make elaborate claims about expensive equipment that you show evidence of never having even seen a proper picture of? It's almost criminal. Quit hyperventillating, Fella or whatever your real legal name is. There is almost a touch of evil in ferstlers cynicism of "everything sounds the same you dumb tweakos" attitude, for instance. Thanks Fella for showing that you can't distinguish between what Ferstler actually says which is that some things sound the same and what you make up for him to say, which is that everything sound the same. What's more, you people seem to be going after the high-end industry. So what is the High End industry, a sacred cow? You'd be happy if they all just buckled up and whithered away into bankruptcy. If you haven't noticed Fella, most of us live in more-or-less free competitive capitalist societies. Nobody deserves a big chunk of people's cash just because they are high end audio dealers or manufacturers. I don't want my kids to have to listen to music from wicked sounding metallic assembly line crap gear produced with only cost-effectiveness in mind and nothing else. Fella, you make it sound like we put a freeze on your bank accounts and are stopping you from wasting your money. Therefore they should make their CD player choices based other factors that are more important to them. Thus you mislead them. What is misleading about suggesting to people that they should base their choices on real differences that matter to them? Unfortunately we've got the technologically backward nay-sayers like Fella, who want people to believe that their are mind-boggling audible differences between CD players, amplifiers and everything else. I wouldn't go so far as to say "mind-boggling" Perhaps, not with the rest of us watching. .. When or if a piece of equipment introduces mind-boggling huge differences to the music, it is IMHO, somewhat "improper". Now you're splitting hairs Fella. Look at the elaborate overblown claims you made about that BAT integrated amp whose basic properties you didn't even know until I pointed them out to you a few days ago. It almost leads They're the guys who are peddling tests - in their case sighted, non-level-matched, non-time-synched listening tests. You are the one peddling tests. That's just a lame come-back. Try something original next time, Fella. I just merely say that the tests you meddle do not work, since they kill off existing subtle differences, what with the setup and the actual act of being subjected to them. I just resist. I trust what I hear. No Fella, you trust uncontrolled level differences, auditions where the identical same music is not played over both pieces of equipment, and equipment being in full sight; so that your prejudices and biases can control your choices. in their case people should buy this amplifier and test it at home, You do not need to buy something to test it at home. That may be true if you are your local hifi dealers favorite sucker. I never said that people should constantly buy amps and switch them around. Well Fella you rant and rave against us for saying that is a bad idea. You have trouble enough trying to express yourself, don't try it on my behalf also. That's just another lame come-back. Try to say something original next time, Fella. Agreed, what that kind of test procedure there's no level-matching and there's no time-synching so of course everything will sound different, which is what Art and Fella keep pushing. This is another example of your bull**** arny. There has been many instances where with sighted auditioning a given piece of equipment sounded almost identical to the piece it was supposed to better. Fella I note that you aren't addressing the fact that by criticizing us for wanting levels to be matched, you are promoting tests with mismatched levels. I note that you aren't addressing the fact that by criticizing us for wanting the music being matched, you are promoting tests with mismatched music. I note that you aren't addressing the fact that by criticizing us for sighted bias to be controlled, you are promoting tests that are dominated by sighted bias. Since when are you an expert about testing, Middius? Compared to you my dog is an expert-shlexpert on testing. And just think, I don't even have a dog. That's just yet another insulting lame come-back. Try something original and clever next time, Fella. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Look at the elaborate overblown claims you made about that BAT integrated amp whose basic properties you didn't even know until I pointed them out to you a few days ago. You dumb-schmuck, I had just auditioned that amp for two weeks. Gees, you can be dumb. You google skccieenctist you. Fella I note that you aren't addressing the fact that by criticizing us for wanting levels to be matched, No you dumb schmuck all I am saying is sit down and listen to the audio gear as you are supposed to and trust your ears if they tell you they hear something. Where is the word "test" there? Try something original and clever next time, Fella. Why? It would be wasted on you. |
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"Fella" the anonymous alias wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Look at the elaborate overblown claims you made about that BAT integrated amp whose basic properties you didn't even know until I pointed them out to you a few days ago. You dumb-schmuck, I had just auditioned that amp for two weeks. Gees, you can be dumb. Given how little you actually knew about the BAT before I corrected you Fella, that is highly doubtful. You didn't even know its correct price. You were obviously just dropping names, which is one of those things that people like you that hide behind anonymous aliases can do quite easily. Fella I note that you aren't addressing the fact that by criticizing us for wanting levels to be matched, No you dumb schmuck all I am saying is sit down and listen to the audio gear as you are supposed to and trust your ears if they tell you they hear something. Where is the word "test" there? The word test has been replaced by vague words and phrases like "sit down and listen to the audio gear as you are supposed to", and "trust your ears if they tell you they hear something". You're just dancing around the fact that you're talking about listening tests. Fella, you like to joke about what my Pioneer receiver tells me, but its not your ears but your brain that is telling you things when you listen. One of the things that your brain knows with your sighted evaluations is what you are listening to. Anything that you might have been told about the piece of equipment in the past could be affecting your judgements. Fella, your dismissal of the need for level-matching shows how intellectually lazy you really are. |
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Arnii Kroofeces, destructor of human language, plops a big stinking one on Usenet. You impose your misconceptions upon people, Fella, you make it sound like Pinkerton and I have some supernatural control over readers. I think he meant you want to brainwash people, not that you actually do it. Reading our posts is a free choice. I agree with this. If at all possible, Normals should ignore the Big **** and the other 'borgs. Our posts unlike yours Fella, are headed up with our correct legal names. "Headed up"? What's that, some new Krooglish term? Who is "NYOB"? Who is "torrie****s"? Who is "Geostynch"? They're pseudonyms that your apologists hide behind. Stop your lying, Mr. ****. you try to rob them of their freedom of choice and preference, Fella, how do we rob people of their freedom via Usenet? Thanks Mr. Kroo**** for admitting that you are unable to read three words in a row without losing the thread. |
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"George Middius" wrote in
message Arnii Kroofeces, destructor of human language, plops a big stinking one on Usenet. You impose your misconceptions upon people, Fella, you make it sound like Pinkerton and I have some supernatural control over readers. I think he meant you want to brainwash people, not that you actually do it. Middius, how can you say "I think" with a straight face? Reading our posts is a free choice. I agree with this. If at all possible, Normals should ignore the Big **** and the other 'borgs. That seems to not even be working for your inner circle of supporters, as important as they are to you Middius. Our posts unlike yours Fella, are headed up with our correct legal names. "Headed up"? What's that, some new Krooglish term? Vain attempt at obfuscation noted. Who is "NYOB"? Who is "torrie****s"? Who is "Geostynch"? They're pseudonyms that your apologists hide behind. Stop your lying, Mr. ****. Thanks Middius for showing that you already forgot about what I wrote at the top of the post about this being about Pinkerton and I. you try to rob them of their freedom of choice and preference, Fella, how do we rob people of their freedom via Usenet? Thanks Mr. Kroo**** for admitting that you are unable to read three words in a row without losing the thread. Totally non-responsive and irrelevant, Middius. Please post again when your disability insurance covers prescribing you a clue. |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:50:08 +0300, Fella wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: Good question. People like Pinkerton and I tell people that CD players tend to sound very much alike. You impose your misconceptions upon people, you try to rob them of their freedom of choice and preference, you try to rob them of their potential audio enjoyment. Actually no, we're providing them with useful information which could save them enough money to buy better speakers......... It's almost criminal. There is almost a touch of evil in ferstlers cynicism of "everything sounds the same you dumb tweakos" attitude, for instance. What's more, you people seem to be going after the high-end industry. Yup, that's because it's full of incompetent con artists like Mark Levinson, George Cardas, Yves Bernard Andre and Peter Qvortrup. You'd be happy if they all just buckled up and whithered away into bankruptcy. Yup. I don't want my kids to have to listen to music from wicked sounding metallic assembly line crap gear produced with only cost-effectiveness in mind and nothing else. Pity that, since it sounds just the same as *well designed* high end gear such as you can buy from Meridian or Krell. And you could then buy really good speakers, which actually *do* make a difference. Therefore they should make their CD player choices based other factors that are more important to them. Thus you mislead them. Nope, that's top-drawer advice. Unfortunately we've got the technologically backward nay-sayers like Fella, who want people to believe that their are mind-boggling audible differences between CD players, amplifiers and everything else. I wouldn't go so far as to say "mind-boggling" .. When or if a piece of equipment introduces mind-boggling huge differences to the music, it is IMHO, somewhat "improper". It almost leads to means taking over the end, that is, we have audio equipment in order to be able to listen to music, yes, but with an amp like the BAT, you have music in order to be able to listen to the luscious, extravagant, grandiose sound of the amp! You just crucified your own argument. You're supposed to be listening to the *musical performance*, you cretin! -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:35:40 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: "Ayn Marx" wrote in message roups.com George M. Middius wrote: Is somebody trying to peddle some "test" equipment on the audio newsgroups? etc,,,,,,,,,Snip... Please **** off back to the Land of The Brave and Zenophobic. We have enough nut cases of our own here on Aus.Hi-Fi. The irony is that we have an Aussie who wants to chase all the xenophobic Americans out of her sacred little part of the world. Yes, she wants to chase the foreigners out! Naah, Ayn isn't a xenophobe, no not even a little bit! ;-) Well, at least she's not a phukkin Abo or a Chink, Ms Hansen sorted them out! Australia for the Australians, I say! I mean, the *real* Australians, you know, the dregs from England's gutters. As the New Zealanders say, anyone who emigrates from NZ to Oz is obviously increasing the average IQ of both countries........ -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:21:54 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote: Pity that, since it sounds just the same as *well designed* high end gear such as you can buy from Meridian or Krell. Said the Krell owner. |
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:50:08 +0300, Fella wrote: I wouldn't go so far as to say "mind-boggling" .. When or if a piece of equipment introduces mind-boggling huge differences to the music, it is IMHO, somewhat "improper". It almost leads to means taking over the end, that is, we have audio equipment in order to be able to listen to music, yes, but with an amp like the BAT, you have music in order to be able to listen to the luscious, extravagant, grandiose sound of the amp! You just crucified your own argument. You're supposed to be listening to the *musical performance*, you cretin! Now how does my observation about the sound of BAT "crucify" my own argument, you dumbskull? I stated that I chose *not* to purchase the BAT since it was exaggerating itself and getting in front of the music. How the f.ck does that tell you that I am not listening to the musical performance you idiot! Were trying the "debating trade" **** that you quote out of context and think to gain the upper hand?! That is soo cheap. What the ****! is wrong with you borgs?! Damn, this is just phenomenal! |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Given how little you actually knew about the BAT before I corrected you Fella, that is highly doubtful. You didn't even know its correct price. You idiot, 5000 was the price it was offered to me. And I *did* mention the tube sound since the tube stage it was in there. You google skccientsstist you.. As if I am under some obligation to give every gritty detail to you if I mention a piece of gear. Before that I auditioned the PrimaLuna Prologue Two, it had bass all over the place *and* a bloated midrange to boot. And yeah, I didn't like it too. The word test has been replaced by vague words and phrases like "sit down and listen to the audio gear as you are supposed to", Yes, with a glass of red wine preferably. That's SOOOOOOOOOOOOO far away from abx boxes, careful level matching with pink noise and that nauseous tom putting a gun over your head threatning to pull the trigger if you can't hear differences.. You dumbdumb borgs, one is called listening to music, the other is called ABX torture! |
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Fella is at it again:
I am saying is sit down and listen to the audio gear as you are supposed to and trust your ears if they tell you they hear something. Where is the word "test" there? If a comparison is blind and level matched, then you are relying on your ears and them alone, so why the angst? Some people use the word test, I prefer comparison, since there is only listening for difference. The high end industry you speak of, is mostly myth. The knowledge on building audio equipment is known and has been for some time. That you did an ABX test that you yourself said did not reveal differences should have taught you that. Nobody can force anyone to buy or not buy expensive equipment. The point of doing blind level matched comparisons is to discover if there's any reason to spend more money to get better quality sound. As it turns out, there isn't in most cases. Why that bothers so many people is strange, since you'd think real music lovers would be pleased to know that they can listen to their favorite music on equipment that is within most people's budgets. That way they can afford to buy more of their favorite music and put the money for improvements where they really count, on speakers and/or room treatments. |
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"Fella" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Given how little you actually knew about the BAT before I corrected you Fella, that is highly doubtful. You didn't even know its correct price. You idiot, 5000 was the price it was offered to me. You want us to believe that you were seriously considering this device, but you didn't know its proper retail price? And I *did* mention the tube sound since the tube stage it was in there. A knowlegable person would know that it is window dressing. |
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The entity calling himself George Middius wrote:
Who is "NYOB"? You already know the answer to that question, so why do you ask it? Who is "torrie****s"? Who is "Geostynch"? They're pseudonyms that your apologists hide behind. Stop your lying, Mr. ****. They are people who don't need the extra problems that people like you are capable of, should they reveal themselves. Who are you to judge, since you are doing the same thing, hiding behaind an alias. |
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"Fella" wrote in message
What the F*CK! is wrong with you borgs?! We're tired of your stupid antics, Fella. Damn, this is just phenomenal! You can dish it out but you can't take it, eh? |
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In answer to that question that keeps dogging you, Mickey: No, high-end audio is not for Bug Eaters. The high end industry you speak of,[sic] is mostly myth. That's the spirit, Mickey. If you can pretend it doesn't exist, then how can it bother you? |
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The Bug Eater picks at the lice. Who is "NYOB"? You already know the answer to that question, so why do you ask it? If nothing else, because your jerkwad response is an encore demonstration of your epochal stupidity. Who is "torrie****s"? Who is "Geostynch"? They're pseudonyms that your apologists hide behind. Stop your lying, Mr. ****. They are people Prove it. |
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Eight to five "Ayn" is another swinging dick like Margaret....
However, it's my opinion everyone serious about audio should own some test equipment. Not a peecee, but some actual test equipment. |
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"George Middius" wrote in
message In answer to that question that keeps dogging you, Mickey: No, high-end audio is not for Bug Eaters. How childish can you get, Middius? I'm sure you'll give us some examples real soon now! :-( The high end industry you speak of,[sic] is mostly myth. Yet another case of Middius pulling the debating trade gambit of picking at the details in order to distract attention from the real issue. That's the spirit, Mickey. If you can pretend it doesn't exist, then how can it bother you? Let's review a few facts like how bogus it is for Middius to claim expertise or even minimal knowlege about what audio's high end is all about. |
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"George Middius" wrote in
message The Bug Eater picks at the lice. Who is "NYOB"? You already know the answer to that question, so why do you ask it? If nothing else, because your jerkwad response is an encore demonstration of your epochal stupidity. ooooOOOHHHHhhhh, Middius has his panties in a bunch. Who is "torrie****s"? Who is "Geostynch"? They're pseudonyms that your apologists hide behind. Stop your lying, Mr. ****. They are people Prove it. Let's start with who you really are, Middius. |
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oups.com Eight to five "Ayn" is another swinging dick like Margaret.... I wouldn't bet against you with those odds. However, it's my opinion everyone serious about audio should own some test equipment. Been there, done that. Not a peecee, This is just Cal being his usual sweet backward Luddite self. but some actual test equipment. I have a goodly collection of both PC and tranditional audio test equipment. I get just about everything done with one or more PCs with apropriate audio interfaces and software, as well as a couple of audio-competent DVMs, namely a Fluke and a Protek. |
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What does your lashup do an AP Portable One or ATS-1 couldn't do as
well, Arny? |
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oups.com What does your lashup do an AP Portable One or ATS-1 couldn't do as well, Arny? Not cost me $10,000's. |
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I've seen ATS-1's go in the threes on eBay, and a desktop PC with a
first rate sound card is a thousand bucks even today, times two-we're not an order of magnitude apart. A 339 or a Potomac pair is cheaper, used. But a hobbyist can start with a HP200 bench osc (very cheap, eminently repairable), a dummy load, a HP or Fluke wideband voltmeter and a simple scope, and add on a HP 334 a little later on for the budget of a nice PC. I'd then drag home a HP 8903 (I hate Sound Tech...my prejudice) and a budget PC with a scrounged HPIB card. You don't need to **** ten grand off the bat-but if you're going to, a AP makes a lot more sense than a Krell or Mark Levinson pair, resale wise, and, for me, enjoyment-wise as well. With good test equipment I can build and verify my homebuilt or repaired scrounged boxes. And **** off high end saloon salespeople too! |
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ups.com I've seen ATS-1's go in the threes on eBay, and a desktop PC with a first rate sound card is a thousand bucks even today, times two-we're not an order of magnitude apart. A 339 or a Potomac pair is cheaper, used. But a hobbyist can start with a HP200 bench osc (very cheap, eminently repairable), You forgot that the HP200 is an obsolete piece of junk every day of this millenium. a dummy load, a HP or Fluke wideband voltmeter and a simple scope, and add on a HP 334 a little later on for the budget of a nice PC. The HP334 is another one of those obsolete pieces that needs to be sent out to pastre. I have two HP broadband voltmeters and they stay on the shelf. I'd then drag home a HP 8903 (I hate Sound Tech...my prejudice) and a budget PC with a scrounged HPIB card. Seems like unecessary cost, size, weight and complexity. Hey Cal, let us know when you wake up and find out that we've been in the 21st century for almost 5 years! |
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Hey Arny, when you wake up and do your homework, and find out that
Agilent's last box that would replace a HP200 was the HP 8904, but only with an expensive option that forfeited many capabilities of the standard set, at a total price on the order of four grand, vis-a-vis reworking a $25 HP200CD of which there are a half million around and most still work and the rest easily repairable, but Corporate America is so ****in' gullible they bought the butchered 8904's anyway, then you will be smelling the 21st century air, and it doesn't smell too good does it, Arny??? And the 334 is basically the receive half of a 339, a box still in high demand. |
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oups.com Hey Arny, when you wake up and do your homework, and find out that Agilent's last box that would replace a HP200 was the HP 8904, As if that was the only viable option. And the 334 is basically the receive half of a 339, a box still in high demand. As if that were the only viable option. |
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The entity posting as George Middius said:
In answer to that question that keeps dogging you, Mickey: No, high-end audio is not for Bug Eaters. The high end industry you speak of is mostly myth. That's the spirit, Mickey. If you can pretend it doesn't exist, then how can it bother you? That explains why you don't own anything that could be considered high end. Of course not being a real person, you can't actually own anything. |
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The entity posting as George Middius said:
The Bug Eater picks at the lice. Thanks for admitting you are a louse. Who is "NYOB"? You already know the answer to that question, so why do you ask it? If nothing else, because your jerkwad response is an encore demonstration of your epochal stupidity. I see, it's jerkwad to point out that you asked a question that has already been answered. This would make you a world class jerkwad, no? |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "Fella" wrote in message What the F*CK! is wrong with you borgs?! We're tired of your stupid antics, Fella. Damn, this is just phenomenal! You can dish it out but you can't take it, eh? Please boys, Take your ball back to your own back-yard and play with it there and leave us at Aus.Hi-Fi to indulge in our own particular form of insanity. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Ayn Marx" wrote in message oups.com Please **** off back to the Land of The Brave and Zenophobic. We have enough nut cases of our own here on Aus.Hi-Fi. The irony is that we have an Aussie who wants to chase all the xenophobic Americans out of her sacred little part of the world. Yes, she wants to chase the foreigners out! The real irony is that this thread isn't even cross posted to aus.hi-fi!!! :-) MrT. |
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wrote in message ups.com... I've seen ATS-1's go in the threes on eBay, and a desktop PC with a first rate sound card is a thousand bucks even today, times two-we're not an order of magnitude apart. So why not compare to a S/H PC? A couple of hundred for a PC and a couple of hundred for a pro soundcard, will do the job. Software is another matter though, but there is reasonable freeware available, adequate for many people. The beauty of the PC option is that it can do the same job as a number of test instruments, plus automatic data acquisition, plus data analysis, plus data storage and presentation etc. Yes dedicated instruments have their benefits, but even multi million dollar test labs are full of PC's as well, and have been for decades. MrT. |
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"Ayn Marx" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: "Fella" wrote in message What the F*CK! is wrong with you borgs?! We're tired of your stupid antics, Fella. Damn, this is just phenomenal! You can dish it out but you can't take it, eh? Please boys, Take your ball back to your own back-yard and play with it there and leave us at Aus.Hi-Fi to indulge in our own particular form of insanity. Ayn ,but we know the Americans like to play in everyones backyard but their own (with the exception of my cousins ,who are all jolly nice folk. Gordon |
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"Gordon" wrote in message ... Please boys, Take your ball back to your own back-yard and play with it there and leave us at Aus.Hi-Fi to indulge in our own particular form of insanity. Ayn ,but we know the Americans like to play in everyones backyard but their own (with the exception of my cousins ,who are all jolly nice folk. Since this is cross posted to 3 non Australian news groups, it's hardly fair to blame them for Ayn's Xenophobia. MrT. |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:39:34 -0500, dave weil
wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:21:54 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: Pity that, since it sounds just the same as *well designed* high end gear such as you can buy from Meridian or Krell. Said the Krell owner. Indeed - but not many modern speakers are as hard to drive as my Apogee Duetta Sigs. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:28:22 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:39:34 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:21:54 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton wrote: Pity that, since it sounds just the same as *well designed* high end gear such as you can buy from Meridian or Krell. Said the Krell owner. Indeed - but not many modern speakers are as hard to drive as my Apogee Duetta Sigs. Don't you know that Arnold claims that $200 commercial amps from companies like Behringer don't have any problems delivering massive amounts of power to almost any load? |
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