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Hi,

i was just wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to connect a DAT
recorder to a mac running os x. since i'm trying to do a bit of
location sound recording for film, but would also like to be able to
record sounds and manipulate them for post production, i'm just trying
to figure out what would be the best recorder to get. if anyone can
let me know how i'd go about transferring from DAT to mac, then that'd
be great, like what equipment i might need, and if i'd lose any
quality through doing so, then i'd be very grateful

thanks

fabrice
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Fabrice wrote:
Hi,

i was just wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to connect a DAT
recorder to a mac running os x. since i'm trying to do a bit of
location sound recording for film, but would also like to be able to
record sounds and manipulate them for post production, i'm just trying
to figure out what would be the best recorder to get. if anyone can
let me know how i'd go about transferring from DAT to mac, then that'd
be great, like what equipment i might need, and if i'd lose any
quality through doing so, then i'd be very grateful

thanks

fabrice



If you don't need 48MHz, Sony's Hi-MD can do Linear PCM at 44.1MHz. It
can hold 1hr 34min on a single 1GB MD disc. The sound track can then be
transfered to the PC via USB connection. It's rather slow but doesn't
have the hassle of real-time recording like the old MD or DAT. Sony has
just released a conversion tool to save the recorded track to WAVE.
There is a catch, however, the Sony software is for Windows only.

If you opt to get a DAT, you would need a sound card with digital
optical/coxial audio in. I think a new G5 desktop has the optical port
but I am not sure. There are also digital audio to USB external box. I
think you can check MidiMan.com to find the right stuff for your Mac.
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The G5 has the optical in and out so it should work if you have a G5.I
haven't tried it with mine yet.




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Fabrice wrote:
Hi,

i was just wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to connect a DAT
recorder to a mac running os x. since i'm trying to do a bit of
location sound recording for film, but would also like to be able to
record sounds and manipulate them for post production, i'm just trying
to figure out what would be the best recorder to get. if anyone can
let me know how i'd go about transferring from DAT to mac, then that'd
be great, like what equipment i might need, and if i'd lose any
quality through doing so, then i'd be very grateful

thanks

fabrice



If you don't need 48MHz, Sony's Hi-MD can do Linear PCM at 44.1MHz. It
can hold 1hr 34min on a single 1GB MD disc. The sound track can then be
transfered to the PC via USB connection. It's rather slow but doesn't
have the hassle of real-time recording like the old MD or DAT. Sony has
just released a conversion tool to save the recorded track to WAVE.
There is a catch, however, the Sony software is for Windows only.

If you opt to get a DAT, you would need a sound card with digital
optical/coxial audio in. I think a new G5 desktop has the optical port
but I am not sure. There are also digital audio to USB external box. I
think you can check MidiMan.com to find the right stuff for your Mac.



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Fabrice wrote:

i was just wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to connect a DAT
recorder to a mac running os x. since i'm trying to do a bit of
location sound recording for film, but would also like to be able to
record sounds and manipulate them for post production, i'm just trying
to figure out what would be the best recorder to get. if anyone can
let me know how i'd go about transferring from DAT to mac, then that'd
be great, like what equipment i might need, and if i'd lose any
quality through doing so, then i'd be very grateful


Sure, you can get an S-PDIF input for the Mac on a variety of cards. The
transfer is realtime only, but I don't see any problem with that.
--scott
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Fabrice wrote:

i was just wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to connect a DAT
recorder to a mac running os x. since i'm trying to do a bit of
location sound recording for film, but would also like to be able to
record sounds and manipulate them for post production, i'm just trying
to figure out what would be the best recorder to get. if anyone can
let me know how i'd go about transferring from DAT to mac, then that'd
be great, like what equipment i might need, and if i'd lose any
quality through doing so, then i'd be very grateful


Least expensive is to use an M-Audio Transit (around $70 on our Web
site) and an optical output from your DAT. On the Mac side we use
Amadeus II, a very low cost (freeware/shareware?) program.

We tested the Transit and found it to be bit-for-bit accurate up to
24/96 as long as you shut down the Mac's power saving and network
features.

--
Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912


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Fabrice wrote:

...i'm just trying
to figure out what would be the best recorder to get. if anyone can
let me know how i'd go about transferring from DAT to mac, then that'd
be great, like what equipment i might need, and if i'd lose any
quality through doing so, then i'd be very grateful


The transfer from the DAT will be in real-time so it will take as long
as it takes to listen to the tape.

You might consider a flash memory or hard disk recorder like our PDAudio
system or the others compared on our Web page:

http://www.core-sound.com/comparison...-670-fr-2.html

You can transfer those audio files instantly simply by removing the
memory card from the recorder and inserting it into a card reader on you
Mac. No uploading, no USB, no FireWire.

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Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
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get a dat with spdif out
metric halo ULN2 is a good audio interface for the mac
has spdif I/O , high quality audio, excellent A/D/A and can be used for
monitoring during post.

dale

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

Fabrice wrote:


i was just wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to connect a DAT
recorder to a mac running os x. since i'm trying to do a bit of
location sound recording for film, but would also like to be able to
record sounds and manipulate them for post production, i'm just trying
to figure out what would be the best recorder to get. if anyone can
let me know how i'd go about transferring from DAT to mac, then that'd
be great, like what equipment i might need, and if i'd lose any
quality through doing so, then i'd be very grateful


Sure, you can get an S-PDIF input for the Mac on a variety of cards. The
transfer is realtime only, but I don't see any problem with that.


If it's a new G5 it already has optical I/O built-in. And we'd say "it's
about time"...


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hank alrich wrote:

If it's a new G5 it already has optical I/O built-in. And we'd say

"it's
about time"...


but the analogue audio interface is in the mac,
and audio circuitry in the dirty environment of any computer....
dale

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On 2005-01-05, Mike Rivers wrote:

works better than you'd expect if it's a well designed sound card.


Shirley this stuff is opto-isolated these days. That's not expensive
anymore.
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dale wrote:

hank alrich wrote:

If it's a new G5 it already has optical I/O built-in. And we'd say


"it's

about time"...



but the analogue audio interface is in the mac,
and audio circuitry in the dirty environment of any computer....
dale




Not understanding this. If there's optical audio I/O, how can the audio
circuitry be *in* the Mac?
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james of tucson wrote:
On 2005-01-05, Mike Rivers wrote:

works better than you'd expect if it's a well designed sound card.


Shirley this stuff is opto-isolated these days. That's not expensive
anymore.


That's phenomenally expensive compared with the costs these guys are
working with. For the most part, they are dealing with shaving fractions
of a cent off the cost of a board.

That's why TOSLINK optical stuff became popular... it's a lot cheaper than
properly isolating a copper wire so that it meets FCC Part 15 specs.
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S O'Neill wrote:

dale wrote:

hank alrich wrote:

If it's a new G5 it already has optical I/O built-in. And we'd say


"it's

about time"...



but the analogue audio interface is in the mac,
and audio circuitry in the dirty environment of any computer....
dale




Not understanding this. If there's optical audio I/O, how can the audio
circuitry be *in* the Mac?


Well spotted!
The audio from DAT to Mac will be in the digital domain already.
The audio on the way out won't be, but I'm guessing you'll stay digital
until you burn to CD?

Dave




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but the analogue audio interface is in the mac,
and audio circuitry in the dirty environment of any computer....
dale




Not understanding this. If there's optical audio I/O, how can the

audio
circuitry be *in* the Mac?


Well spotted!
The audio from DAT to Mac will be in the digital domain already.
The audio on the way out won't be, but I'm guessing you'll stay

digital
until you burn to CD?

Dave


I said analogue, that is because all mac's have an analogue in and out
like they all have firewire, standard equipment mini plug.
and the mac analogue I/O is not high quality as in "pro" use.

dale



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dale wrote:

If it's a new G5 it already has optical I/O built-in. And we'd say

"it's
about time"...


but the analogue audio interface is in the mac,
and audio circuitry in the dirty environment of any computer....


And the transfer via optical is real-time: two hours for a two hour
tape. Who can wait that long when you have a stackfull to transfer?

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Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com
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dale wrote:

I said analogue, that is because all mac's have an analogue in and out
like they all have firewire, standard equipment mini plug.
and the mac analogue I/O is not high quality as in "pro" use.


"G5", which has an optical I/O for audio.

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"G5", which has an optical I/O for audio.

ha


good job reading the sales brochure

dale

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Len Moskowitz wrote:
dale wrote:


If it's a new G5 it already has optical I/O built-in. And we'd say


"it's

about time"...


but the analogue audio interface is in the mac,
and audio circuitry in the dirty environment of any computer....



And the transfer via optical is real-time: two hours for a two hour
tape. Who can wait that long when you have a stackfull to transfer?



Time is part of the problems. You have to make sure to keep the computer
alone during the time of "recording" or you'll risk having clicks and
pops. I like the new Hi-MD format. The transfer is completely digital
via USB. Although it isn't fast, I don't need to worry about
interruptions during transfers.
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Len Moskowitz wrote:

dale wrote:

If it's a new G5 it already has optical I/O built-in. And we'd say

"it's
about time"...


but the analogue audio interface is in the mac,
and audio circuitry in the dirty environment of any computer....


And the transfer via optical is real-time: two hours for a two hour
tape. Who can wait that long when you have a stackfull to transfer?


Is



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to beat the real time download of the dat to mac
you could just buy the ibook or powerbook
use that as your field recorder.
then do a firewire transfer
with 10.3 os you just open that port and drag and copy between macs.
dale

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On 2005-01-06, Mike Rivers wrote:

Why not listen while you're making the transfer? It might be the first
time in 10 years that you've heard that material. Maybe you'll decide
after the first fifteen minutes that it's not worth transferring.


Don't take that approach when the material is "Testimony."


"Yes, your honor, I edited the tapes while transcribing them to digital,
because most of the material was boring as hell..."
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