In article V6JXd.32339$QQ3.17217@trnddc02 writes:

Why is commenting on the thousands... if not millions of p2p users a crutch?
It is an extremely vibrant community of mostly younger folks that happen to
be a very influential target market in the music business.

But they aren't. They've discovered a way to get the music without the
business. This makes them a target, all right, but not the kind you
think.

Even if it sounds harsh, we may have to accept that the internet HAS changed
the future of the industry.

I don't think it's changed the future of the industry. It may change
the way the industry does business, but without business, there will
be no industry. Yeah, I guess that WOULD be a change, a sad one for
many people, including the freeloaders.


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What if you haven't heard about a record label or
band site? You could stumble upon it on the p2p network.

Are you more likely to stumble across something on a P2P network than
on a well organized web site that's taken the steps necessary to get
listed in search engines under enough key words so that you don't have
to stumble across it but can be led to it with a directed search?


If things were organzied by genre it could lead to great "word of mouth"
between users.


Ain't hard at all. Give it a whirl sometime.

Not for ten bucks.


$10 for 800,000 songs? *scratches head*

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"George Gleason" wrote in message
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they need to change their attitude from stealing is MY RIGHT to stealing
is wrong


Just like you need to change your mind about copyright laws in the modern
era? It isn't as black & white as you make it.


the "fat" you cutting is artists income and the profits that drive artists
development
without the profits(music being worth what you pay for it, nothing) the
artists need to find other jobs resulting in just crappy bedroom ******s
churning out pure ****


I'll take that over the "created" artists we have now any day of the week.


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Hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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they need to change their attitude from stealing is MY RIGHT to stealing
is wrong



Just like you need to change your mind about copyright laws in the modern
era? It isn't as black & white as you make it.

stealing is stealing it is simply that black and white



the "fat" you cutting is artists income and the profits that drive artists
development
without the profits(music being worth what you pay for it, nothing) the
artists need to find other jobs resulting in just crappy bedroom ******s
churning out pure ****



I'll take that over the "created" artists we have now any day of the week.

you have much too narrow feild of view if that is all you see as music
check out railroad earth, old and in the grey, Boiled in lead, Old Blind
Dogs,modest mouse, Pyschadelic breakfast,Cletus and the Barn Burners,The
Hickory project plus thousands of others

"George Gleason" wrote in message
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Hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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they need to change their attitude from stealing is MY RIGHT to stealing
is wrong



Just like you need to change your mind about copyright laws in the modern
era? It isn't as black & white as you make it.

stealing is stealing it is simply that black and white


Yup. You are right. Throw them all in jail and lets get on with selling CD's
just like before.


you have much too narrow feild of view if that is all you see as music
check out railroad earth, old and in the grey, Boiled in lead, Old Blind
Dogs,modest mouse, Pyschadelic breakfast,Cletus and the Barn Burners,The
Hickory project plus thousands of others


I like Modest Mouse a little...


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Hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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Hev wrote:

"George Gleason" wrote in message
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they need to change their attitude from stealing is MY RIGHT to stealing
is wrong



Just like you need to change your mind about copyright laws in the modern
era? It isn't as black & white as you make it.

stealing is stealing it is simply that black and white



Yup. You are right. Throw them all in jail and lets get on with selling CD's
just like before.


I really don't have a problem jailing thieves


you have much too narrow feild of view if that is all you see as music
check out railroad earth, old and in the grey, Boiled in lead, Old Blind
Dogs,modest mouse, Pyschadelic breakfast,Cletus and the Barn Burners,The
Hickory project plus thousands of others



I like Modest Mouse a little...

like I said open your musical visions
Firfot, Brave new world,Piere bensusan,wendy carlos,
I am proly at a advantgae doing live shows 2-5 imes a week
I get to see LOTS of music
my favorite is traditional hindu sarod/tabla or sitar /tabla

in june I will be working with 3 grammy awarded Polka acts

"George Gleason" wrote in message
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in june I will be working with 3 grammy awarded Polka acts


Wow. I don't know if I could handle that.


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In article writes:

Notice that the original proposal was for "some disc format that PC's don't
easily play."

This, too, shall pass. Even *I* have CD drives in all of my computers
now, I don't use them for listening to music, though I've been known
to stick a CD in one now and then to transfer the music as a file over
to the Jukebox so I don't have to carry a CD and player on an
airplane.

When portable listening fidelity becomes good enough to warrant
playing SACDs on a plane, my laptopl will probably play them.



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Hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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in june I will be working with 3 grammy awarded Polka acts



Wow. I don't know if I could handle that.


didn't think you could
they don't give grammys out for best version of "she's too fat polka"
loveing music is more than bitching about top 40 acts
end of the month I have caribean rap/reagga
David Grisman in July

I am truly thrilled to make my liveing producing live events

"George Gleason" wrote in message
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Hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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in june I will be working with 3 grammy awarded Polka acts



Wow. I don't know if I could handle that.


didn't think you could
they don't give grammys out for best version of "she's too fat polka"
loveing music is more than bitching about top 40 acts
end of the month I have caribean rap/reagga
David Grisman in July

I am truly thrilled to make my liveing producing live events


Yeah, I enjoy the studio more than live events.
That is great that you can make a living doing it! It is important to love
your work.


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You love your panties?????



Hev wrote in message
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"George Gleason" wrote in message
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Hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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in june I will be working with 3 grammy awarded Polka acts



Wow. I don't know if I could handle that.


didn't think you could
they don't give grammys out for best version of "she's too fat polka"
loveing music is more than bitching about top 40 acts
end of the month I have caribean rap/reagga
David Grisman in July

I am truly thrilled to make my liveing producing live events


Yeah, I enjoy the studio more than live events.
That is great that you can make a living doing it! It is important to love
your work.


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Everyone go to Hev's store for a free panty raid.

Free panties for everyone!!!!!

Bring all you friends....... tell everyone !!!!!

Sunday ....Sunday......Sunday !!!!!!!

:-)




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In article w9GXd.32955$uc.8022@trnddc09
writes:

The unfortunate thing about this
situation is that it doesn't matter what is moral, right, or justified.
In
my opinion we need to learn how to live with it and not shun a whole
community of people that happen to be the hardest target market to
reach.

We know you don't make your living from music, so it's no skin off your
nose if people take music without paying for it. Let them get a real
job, like you.



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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:21:17 GMT, George Gleason
wrote:

in june I will be working with 3 grammy awarded Polka acts

Some people have all the luck.

Al

"Troy" wrote in message
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You love your panties?????


Who doesn't love panties? But I do love audio more...



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Hev wrote:

$10 for 800,000 songs? *scratches head*

You do the math, and figure out how the songwriters are supposed to get
fed. Not that you care.

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"hank alrich" wrote in message
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Hev wrote:

$10 for 800,000 songs? *scratches head*

You do the math, and figure out how the songwriters are supposed to get
fed. Not that you care.


Stopped maturing at 12 I see. Not that you care.

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How would you feel if a bunch of girly men put panty stores next to your
panty store and gave their panties away free????

I bet you woulden't like it....It would put you out of business.

Same thing down loading music......if people are not paying for the product
then the company goes out of business.

For someone who owns 2 retail panty shops you shure don't get the math.

Lets try it a different way (in terms you may understand)......if you had 10
pairs of panties and sold 1 pair but there wereonly 2 pairs left on the rack
how many panties were stolen????




Hev wrote in message
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"Troy" wrote in message
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You love your panties?????


Who doesn't love panties? But I do love audio more...



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Mike Rivers wrote in message
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In article w9GXd.32955$uc.8022@trnddc09
writes:

The unfortunate thing about this
situation is that it doesn't matter what is moral, right, or justified.
In
my opinion we need to learn how to live with it and not shun a whole
community of people that happen to be the hardest target market to
reach.

We know you don't make your living from music, so it's no skin off your
nose if people take music without paying for it. Let them get a real
job, like you.


Maybe Hev can set them up with a panty sniffing job...Errrrr.....I mean
panty sales job.






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"George Gleason" wrote in message...

in june I will be working with 3 grammy awarded Polka acts


I just did Brave Combo for about the 30th time last weekend.... they're
from the neighborhood and took another one this year.

DM

"Troy" wrote in message
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How would you feel if a bunch of girly men put panty stores next to your
panty store and gave their panties away free????

I bet you woulden't like it....It would put you out of business.


Actually a dollar store opened next door and they sold g-strings. But we had
the quality...



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"Kurt Albershardt" wrote:

Notice that the original proposal was for "some disc format that
PC's don't easily play."




Then you **** off guys like me. I paid for the rights to it, where and
how I listen to it is none of anyone else's business. The courts have
also said it's reasonable for me to duplicate it in certain ways
according to certain conditions. The PC is an integral part of that
LEGITIMATE process.

Besides, computers really are a durn convenient way to enjoy music.
Since I got iTunes, an Airport Express and an iPod, the only use my CDs
see is filling up hard drives.

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In article writes:

$10 for 800,000 songs? *scratches head*

How's their Blind Willie McTell selection? I don't need no stinkin'
Madonna.

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In article writes:

they don't give grammys out for best version of "she's too fat polka"
loveing music is more than bitching about top 40 acts

I wonder if that's one of the 800,000 songs available from Rhapsody?



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In article
writes:

$10 for 800,000 songs? *scratches head*

How's their Blind Willie McTell selection? I don't need no stinkin'
Madonna.


Pretty good selection actually:

Statesboro Blues: The Complete RCA Victor...
The Definitive Blind Willie McTell
Last Session
Atlanta Twelve String

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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes:


they don't give grammys out for best version of "she's too fat polka"
loveing music is more than bitching about top 40 acts


I wonder if that's one of the 800,000 songs available from Rhapsody?



I do live sound for the syracuse Polish festival
www.polishscholarshipfund.com (I think) possibly delete "Fund"
we get about 40,000 folks over the 3 days
before I knew anything about polish music I asked Polka Richie to play
the "beer barrel polka" for me and was soundly lectured on the fact that
was a german song and polish bands "don't" play german songs
LOL

Lorin David Schultz wrote:
"Kurt Albershardt" wrote:

Notice that the original proposal was for "some disc format that
PC's don't easily play."


Then you **** off guys like me. I paid for the rights to it, where and
how I listen to it is none of anyone else's business. The courts have
also said it's reasonable for me to duplicate it in certain ways
according to certain conditions. The PC is an integral part of that
LEGITIMATE process.


I'm not opining as to the worthiness of SACD--merely pointing out that
it already meets the requirements given.

Hev wrote:

Theivery is somehow mature in your so-called mind. Good luck with your
bull****; don't expect others to let it pass for thinking.

Adios.

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"hank alrich" wrote in message
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Hev wrote:

Theivery is somehow mature in your so-called mind.


Mature? It is a reality the industry has to face...
immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


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"hev" wrote in message...

immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


Immature would be saying that others must 'adapt' to breaking the law.

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"hev" wrote in message...

immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


Immature would be saying that others must 'adapt' to breaking the law.


I guess you are still for prohibition then?

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hev wrote:
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"hev" wrote in message...


immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


Immature would be saying that others must 'adapt' to breaking the law.



I guess you are still for prohibition then?


there is a process for changing the law
stealing isn't one of them

hev wrote:
"hank alrich" wrote in message
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Hev wrote:

Theivery is somehow mature in your so-called mind.



Mature? It is a reality the industry has to face...
immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


this is not some face less industry
you are stealing from musicians
yes theivery is a reality musicians need to face
but arresting them and fineing them 10,s of thousands of dollars

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"hev" wrote in message...


immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


Immature would be saying that others must 'adapt' to breaking the law.



I guess you are still for prohibition then?


there is a process for changing the law
stealing isn't one of them


You missed the point. Laws changed because of peoples actions in breaking
the law.

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hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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hev wrote:

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"hev" wrote in message...



immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


Immature would be saying that others must 'adapt' to breaking the law.



I guess you are still for prohibition then?


there is a process for changing the law
stealing isn't one of them



You missed the point. Laws changed because of peoples actions in breaking
the law.


laws can change but morals don't
your great grand children will still understand stealing is wrong
George

"George Gleason" wrote in message
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hev wrote:
"George Gleason" wrote in message
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hev wrote:

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"hev" wrote in message...



immature would be to just call them all thieves without adapting.


Immature would be saying that others must 'adapt' to breaking the law.



I guess you are still for prohibition then?


there is a process for changing the law
stealing isn't one of them



You missed the point. Laws changed because of peoples actions in breaking
the law.


laws can change but morals don't
your great grand children will still understand stealing is wrong


When everyone felt drinking was moral the laws changed...
my great grand children might not even experience file trading being illegal
(except in the history books).

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laws can change but morals don't
your great grand children will still understand stealing is wrong



When everyone felt drinking was moral the laws changed...
my great grand children might not even experience file trading being illegal
(except in the history books).


file tradeing is not illegal or imoral today, as long as it belongs to you
the stealing of music and distribution of stolen music is both illegal
and immoral
it will stay that way as artsist don't like being robbed of their lifes work
George

hev wrote:

Mature? It is a reality the industry has to face...

Let's look into this concept of yours: as long as I can get away with
stealing from you you have little problem with my thievery. If I can get
a huge number of folks to steal your goods from your store, you will
like it even better.

Makes perfect sense.

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"hank alrich" wrote in message
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hev wrote:

Mature? It is a reality the industry has to face...

Let's look into this concept of yours: as long as I can get away with
stealing from you you have little problem with my thievery. If I can get
a huge number of folks to steal your goods from your store, you will
like it even better.

Makes perfect sense.


As much sense as comparing apples and oranges.


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On 10 Mar 2005 06:48:20 -0500, (Mike Rivers)
wrote:


In article writes:

$10 for 800,000 songs? *scratches head*

How's their Blind Willie McTell selection? I don't need no stinkin'
Madonna.

That's exactly what I want to know...

Al

"play on" wrote in message
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On 10 Mar 2005 06:48:20 -0500, (Mike Rivers)
wrote:


In article
writes:

$10 for 800,000 songs? *scratches head*

How's their Blind Willie McTell selection? I don't need no stinkin'
Madonna.

That's exactly what I want to know...


I already told you! There are 4 full Blind Willie McTell albums available!

Statesboro Blues: The Complete RCA Victor...
The Definitive Blind Willie McTell
Last Session
Atlanta Twelve String

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