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"hank alrich" wrote in message . .. hev wrote: "hank alrich" wrote in message ... hev wrote: Irrelevant is a good word to use since most of you with opposing views have never even used p2p networks. Your opinion is pretty irrelevant when you have absolutely no experience to draw from. Yet you have still found your way to the top of your soap box. What the hell does my not using p2p have to do with the fact you are a thief? I'm supposed to use p2p and start stealing, too? Your lens has fallen way out of focus. Another misconception by a non-p2p user. Not all files on p2p are illegal. You can use P2P in a completely legal manner. Want to share any more prejudices with us Hank? You outrightly admitted stealing music using p2p. Remember that? Yes. I am one of millions that enjoy music off of the internet. I am also the person that owns over 300 purchased CD's, has a concert list that includes most modern rock acts, has worked for a record store for 3 years, and has gone to school for audio engineering. You just have to realize that the industry did not adapt in time to a new technology. I want artists to get paid using this new technology. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:32:01 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote: Because A cat goes bonkers by itself and starts doing terrible things to the house. Two is the optimum number. Fourteen seems a bit overboard. I had three for a time. ****ing and scratching everywhere. I guess they were competing for territory. Now I'm down to one, he's good as gold. Nothing to prove, I suppose. CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... Your rudeness doesn't alter the fact that you didn't even address the point-- that the "industry" thought photocopiers and VCRs were a threat to their viability. Your comments highlight the fact that their paranoia was misplaced. And my comments address the fact that if it were up to the industry, you wouldn't even be allowed to buy a digital recorder, or a VCR. And note that photocopiers have no crippling technologies implemented to prevent them from copying copyrighted materials. Any small business with a copier could easily "steal" copyrighted magazine articles and even books, if they cared to go through the trouble. Now you can even copy magazine articles and photographs in colour. They are missing this point completely. This p2p technology, if done properly, would mean mega bucks like the above example. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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You outrightly admitted stealing music using p2p. Remember that? Yes. I am one of millions that enjoy music off of the internet. what about the artists enjoying the rewards of their own hard work? I am also the person that owns over 300 purchased CD's, well i guess if you bought 300 cd's then the rest should be free? has a concert list that includes most modern rock acts, has worked for a record store for 3 years, and has gone to school for audio engineering. I never knew anyone who worked in a record store that did not fill out thier music collection with cd's marked FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY NOT FOR RESALE You just have to realize that the industry did not adapt in time to a new technology. just because you can is not a moral reason to steal from people I want artists to get paid using this new technology. so fight against unauthorized file shareing buy ALL the music you enjoy shame those that don't refuse to be part of the problem George |
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"George Gleason" wrote in message ... You outrightly admitted stealing music using p2p. Remember that? Yes. I am one of millions that enjoy music off of the internet. what about the artists enjoying the rewards of their own hard work? I don't think artists, on the whole, are against file sharing. I am also the person that owns over 300 purchased CD's, well i guess if you bought 300 cd's then the rest should be free? No. I purchased those CD's when bandwidth and p2p technology wasn't readily available. And I still buy CD's when I love the album/artist. has a concert list that includes most modern rock acts, has worked for a record store for 3 years, and has gone to school for audio engineering. I never knew anyone who worked in a record store that did not fill out thier music collection with cd's marked FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY NOT FOR RESALE Managers got first dibs on those. One guy was nice enough to give me a promo copy of my favorite band's new release one time though (thanks jay). I literally have maybe 3 promo's max. You just have to realize that the industry did not adapt in time to a new technology. just because you can is not a moral reason to steal from people I want artists to get paid using this new technology. so fight against unauthorized file shareing buy ALL the music you enjoy shame those that don't refuse to be part of the problem I am. By using P2P to bypass the labels that have screwed over their artists and customers. -- -hev remove "your opinion" to find me: www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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ust because you can is not a moral reason to steal from people
I want artists to get paid using this new technology. so fight against unauthorized file shareing buy ALL the music you enjoy shame those that don't refuse to be part of the problem I am. By using P2P to bypass the labels that have screwed over their artists and customers. I bet your screwing over the artists that owe their very careers to the labels that brought them to the public eye as well when you cut out the people that put up the money to bring a artist to prominence your screwing over every artist who is working for that same chance with their career of course a artist might be happy being heard by a few dozen p2p devotees but I bet most would rather be selling records and enjoying national and world wide marketing, something p2p can not provide george |
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"George Gleason" wrote in message ... ust because you can is not a moral reason to steal from people I want artists to get paid using this new technology. so fight against unauthorized file shareing buy ALL the music you enjoy shame those that don't refuse to be part of the problem I am. By using P2P to bypass the labels that have screwed over their artists and customers. I bet your screwing over the artists that owe their very careers to the labels that brought them to the public eye as well when you cut out the people that put up the money to bring a artist to prominence your screwing over every artist who is working for that same chance with their career I understand that it is a big problem... one I want to see solved as well. But the industry had about a decades forewarning and still did nothing but bitch and moan. They should have welcomed this new technology with open arms and we might have been closer to a solution or even profiting from p2p at this point. -- -hev remove "your opinion" to find me: www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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Bill Van Dyk wrote: Geez, you just said it all. That's a pretty good rationale for unrestrained piracy. Which is precisely why it is all protected by law. Most law is simply recognition that self interest overrides ethics for a very large part of the society they govern. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"hev" wrote in message... I never knew anyone who worked in a record store that did not fill out thier music collection with cd's marked FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY NOT FOR RESALE Managers got first dibs on those. One guy was nice enough to give me a promo copy of my favorite band's new release one time though (thanks jay). And how long, may I ask, did it take you to 'rip' the contents of that CD and make it available to everyone on your P2P network for free? |
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hev wrote: I don't think artists, on the whole, are against file sharing. Hold that thought. I am. By using P2P to bypass the labels that have screwed over their artists and customers. You are a thief rationalizing your theft by opinion. Things that require rationalization and justification are rarely rational or just. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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hev wrote: But the industry had about a decades forewarning and still did nothing but bitch and moan. They should have welcomed this new technology with open arms and we might have been closer to a solution or even profiting from p2p at this point. And because they didn't, you should steal from them and those who supply them the material to sell. Right. Your logic is so feeble that you've got to be just trolling. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message
news:9v2Wd.74476$uc.14746@trnddc04... "hev" wrote in message... I never knew anyone who worked in a record store that did not fill out thier music collection with cd's marked FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY NOT FOR RESALE Managers got first dibs on those. One guy was nice enough to give me a promo copy of my favorite band's new release one time though (thanks jay). And how long, may I ask, did it take you to 'rip' the contents of that CD and make it available to everyone on your P2P network for free? Actually I've never ripped a CD and put it on the internet since almost every release is readily available. -- -hev remove "your opinion" to find me: www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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"Bob Cain" wrote in message
... hev wrote: But the industry had about a decades forewarning and still did nothing but bitch and moan. They should have welcomed this new technology with open arms and we might have been closer to a solution or even profiting from p2p at this point. And because they didn't, you should steal from them and those who supply them the material to sell. Right. Your logic is so feeble that you've got to be just trolling. I'm not trolling. Just letting you know how the computer generation feels about it. Kill the messenger if you wish. -- -hev remove "your opinion" to find me: www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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"Bob Cain" wrote in message
... I am. By using P2P to bypass the labels that have screwed over their artists and customers. You are a thief rationalizing your theft by opinion. Things that require rationalization and justification are rarely rational or just. I'm telling you what got us to this point and how our generation doesn't view it as theft. We could just as easily be singing praise about an industry that adapted to the new technology and is showing bigger profits than ever. They had their whole target market sitting right in front of them, collected... like shooting ducks in a barrel. -- -hev remove "your opinion" to find me: www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:45:13 -0800, Bob Cain
wrote: play on wrote: No. The artists' lawyers do that. Do you really think the companies are reacting this way because they care about the artists? Right, the record companies should be altruistic like all other businesses are. Altruisic? How about just fair. Fact is, this whole shooting match is governed by self interest and maximizing ROI, be it time, dollars or love. The whole world runs with that motor so what's so ****ing wrong with the record companies doing what literally _everyone_ else does? And if what "all other businesses do" is a yardstick for ethics, spare me. I can certainly be argued that the music business in general is an ethically-challenged environment when compared to others. Al |
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hev wrote:
I'm not trolling. Just letting you know how the computer generation feels about it. Kill the messenger if you wish. While yo whine about the lawless use of firearms. You are part of the lawlessness, yet you want to make a distinction. You're getting what you ask for, "whether you know it or not". Enjoy. -- ha |
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In article none ** "hev ** writes: No. I purchased those CD's when bandwidth and p2p technology wasn't readily available. And I still buy CD's when I love the album/artist. Oh, so you just download music from artists you don't like? How does this benefit either you or the artist? By using P2P to bypass the labels that have screwed over their artists and customers. . . . You are also bypassing the artists. I'll bet they really like that. You haven't even given them good publicity here so we'll all go out and buy their CDs on your recommendation. We don't know who they are. We only know that you don't care enough about them to buy their CDs, so why should we? -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message
.. . hev wrote: I'm not trolling. Just letting you know how the computer generation feels about it. Kill the messenger if you wish. While yo whine about the lawless use of firearms. You are part of the lawlessness, yet you want to make a distinction. You're getting what you ask for, "whether you know it or not". Enjoy. Next time I kill someone via downloading I'll let you know. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1109956433k@trad... In article writes: Yes. I am one of millions that enjoy music off of the internet. I am also the person that owns over 300 purchased CD's, has a concert list that includes most modern rock acts, has worked for a record store for 3 years, and has gone to school for audio engineering. All of this gives you the right to free music whenever you want it? I still buy CD's that interest me. And preview music on p2p. I think everyone has the right to free music. I just don't understand kids these days. No, not in the slightest. Nice article in mix BTW. You just have to realize that the industry did not adapt in time to a new technology. I want artists to get paid using this new technology. So you're adopting for them. Tell me, do you send a check to everr artist whose music you download? Or did you send a check to their record label with a note saying "I downloaded these two songs on the Internet. I want to do the right thing and see that the talent that created this music gets paid. Since you didn't have to pay for marketing or manufacturing of my download, I'd deducting my estimate of those costs from my payment. Here's a check for $1.20. Please disburse this in the proper proportions to the artist, the music publisher You DO make sure they pay the writer, don't you?), and the recording studio. Oh, and don't take anything out to cover your salary. You didn't do jack****." That is exactly how the royalties via downloads could have worked during the past 10 years! Everyone is missing the money boat in my opinion. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1109956644k@trad... In article none ** "hev ** writes: No. I purchased those CD's when bandwidth and p2p technology wasn't readily available. And I still buy CD's when I love the album/artist. Oh, so you just download music from artists you don't like? How does this benefit either you or the artist? I preview music to see if I would like an album. The artists benefit from the exposure. One google search on the band name and there is the website. Buy a t-shirt. By using P2P to bypass the labels that have screwed over their artists and customers. . . . You are also bypassing the artists See above. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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"Hev" wrote in message ... I think everyone has the right to free music. And HERE'S the crux of the problem, folks. This boy wants something for nothing. I must say, though, on one level you're right. You have the right to MAKE music for free. You just don't have the right to steal other people's music. Why don't you buy a guitar and sing some songs? There's your free music. Of course, you'll have to spend a little time and energy learning how to play the guitar, and that means that it's no longer 'free'... -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN |
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Hev.......P2P could mean mega bucks.....YES.....but the problem is no one
has figured out a way to collect royalties and make it work for all parties involved.Once you make one P2P legal and start collecting royalties 10 more illigal ones would pop up.It all comes down to ethics and like I said in another post "the honor system". Who ever does come up with a system for P2P to make the record labels happy,the artists happy and the down loaders happy is going to be a very rich man.I am sure there are thousands of software companies trying to come up with the winning soloution as we argue these points. But for now THEFT is THEFT and no matter how you try and sugar coat it and tell people its a generation thing its still wrong. Hev wrote in message ... "Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... Your rudeness doesn't alter the fact that you didn't even address the point-- that the "industry" thought photocopiers and VCRs were a threat to their viability. Your comments highlight the fact that their paranoia was misplaced. And my comments address the fact that if it were up to the industry, you wouldn't even be allowed to buy a digital recorder, or a VCR. And note that photocopiers have no crippling technologies implemented to prevent them from copying copyrighted materials. Any small business with a copier could easily "steal" copyrighted magazine articles and even books, if they cared to go through the trouble. Now you can even copy magazine articles and photographs in colour. They are missing this point completely. This p2p technology, if done properly, would mean mega bucks like the above example. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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Or he could learn to play the Kazzoo.I hear there is a good market for free
Kazzoo music on P2P :-) Dave Martin wrote in message k.net... "Hev" wrote in message ... I think everyone has the right to free music. And HERE'S the crux of the problem, folks. This boy wants something for nothing. I must say, though, on one level you're right. You have the right to MAKE music for free. You just don't have the right to steal other people's music. Why don't you buy a guitar and sing some songs? There's your free music. Of course, you'll have to spend a little time and energy learning how to play the guitar, and that means that it's no longer 'free'... -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN |
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Hev wrote:
I think everyone has the right to free music. And food, and shelter, and medical help... how wee the musicians going to get those from your theft? Oh, nevermind, they won't. -- ha |
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Dave Martin wrote:
And HERE'S the crux of the problem, folks. This boy wants something for nothing. How about free brains? Maybe get one that isn't deeply into rationalizing inapropriate behavior. I must say, though, on one level you're right. You have the right to MAKE music for free. You just don't have the right to steal other people's music. Why don't you buy a guitar and sing some songs? There's your free music. Of course, you'll have to spend a little time and energy learning how to play the guitar, and that means that it's no longer 'free'... And then there are strings, picks, capos, fret recrowning jobs (4 of those since I got the McCollum, less than three years ago - Lance must've used cheap frets or something), beer, ganga (my guitar teacher), and most of all, literally, the instrument. But it's worth every penny... ....because of the free pussy. I want to download free Brauners and Lawsons and Josephsons, free Great Rivers (the electronical kind, not the squirters), free Cranesongs (heard 'em flying over last week but they wouldn't let me dial 'em in), free Lavry's, and more, much more, but those won't fit through my modem. -- ha |
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Troy wrote:
Or he could learn to play the Kazzoo.I hear there is a good market for free Kazzoo music on P2P :-) If Maria Muldaur or my first wife is playing the kazoo, I'm willing to pay for it. -- ha |
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"Dave Martin" wrote in message k.net... "Hev" wrote in message ... I think everyone has the right to free music. And HERE'S the crux of the problem, folks. This boy wants something for nothing. No. The crux of the problem is that technology has rendered copyright useless. Time to adapt. Don't believe me? Listen to David Bowie: The absolute transformation of everything that we ever thought about music will take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be able to stop it. I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not going to happen. I'm fully confident that copyright, for instance, will no longer exist in 10 years, and authorship and intellectual property is in for such a bashing." - David Bowie June 9th, 2002 He gets it. People in this thread have been useless whiners resistant to change. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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On 3/4/05 9:21 PM, in article
, "Dave Martin" wrote: "Hev" wrote in message ... I think everyone has the right to free music. And HERE'S the crux of the problem, folks. This boy wants something for nothing. Hey.. Wayyyy before we get THERE, there's a SERIOUS Fantasy Island cluelessness here about what the heck a 'right' is and how you 'have' one. |
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play on wrote: And if what "all other businesses do" is a yardstick for ethics, spare me. I can certainly be argued that the music business in general is an ethically-challenged environment when compared to others. C'mon, Al. _All_ business, top to bottom, big to small operates on the principle of paying as little as possible for something it will, in turn, sell for as much as it can get consistent with people buying it. Always has, always will. The music business is _no_ different except for the fact that high bandwidth personal interconnect is destroying its ability to do business by enabling rampant theft. The only reason that the publishing business isn't in similar trouble is that people who still read tend to have better ethics. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"John" wrote in message
... On 3/4/05 10:44 PM, in article , "Hev" wrote: "Dave Martin" wrote in message k.net... "Hev" wrote in message ... I think everyone has the right to free music. And HERE'S the crux of the problem, folks. This boy wants something for nothing. No. The crux of the problem is that technology has rendered copyright useless. Time to adapt. Don't believe me? Listen to David Bowie: The absolute transformation of everything that we ever thought about music will take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be able to stop it. I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not going to happen. I'm fully confident that copyright, for instance, will no longer exist in 10 years, and authorship and intellectual property is in for such a bashing." - David Bowie June 9th, 2002 He gets it. People in this thread have been useless whiners resistant to change. What you don't get (and I'll wager Mr Bowie DOES as he's is pretty far beyond either 'clueless' or 'stupid') is that what he says here is NOT news, is NOT garbage but IS --incomplete-- as it merely states what will CHANGE, and like any bad lazy writer, you;ve assumed gleefully that the CHANGE is the RESULT adn that you can believe in your tunnelvisioned view, can blissfully ignore actually looking at the reality of what the change's repercussions will be. Try this: If somehow LOCKS were made magically ineffective overnight, it WOULD mean a BIG adaptation to the New Order, but you can be DAMNED sure that said 'new order' would NOT include the doltheaded whiners' dopedream that 'dude! everything's like FREE now man! All those oldsters who can;t adapt are like just not with the new-order revolution thing!'... How can you say a statement like "copyright will no longer exist in 10 years" to be incomplete? That says it all. And calling me clueless and stupid is only belittling the little you actually had to say. -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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"hev" wrote:
Can you back that up with a link? Probably, but talk about irrelevant... "It *MUST* be true... I read it on the internet!" -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in message news:cJaWd.1246$gJ3.576@clgrps13... "hev" wrote: Can you back that up with a link? Probably, but talk about irrelevant... "It *MUST* be true... I read it on the internet!" Didn't think so. |
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"Bob Cain" wrote in message ... play on wrote: And if what "all other businesses do" is a yardstick for ethics, spare me. I can certainly be argued that the music business in general is an ethically-challenged environment when compared to others. C'mon, Al. _All_ business, top to bottom, big to small operates on the principle of paying as little as possible for something it will, in turn, sell for as much as it can get consistent with people buying it. Always has, always will. The music business is _no_ different except for the fact that high bandwidth personal interconnect is destroying its ability to do business by enabling rampant theft. The only reason that the publishing business isn't in similar trouble is that people who still read tend to have better ethics. I have to say I couldn't agree less. Think of a business that locked its vendors into contracts where making money was an uphill battle. Does that seem just to you? -- -Hev remove your opinion to find me he www.michaelYOURspringerOPINION.com |
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On 3/4/05 11:32 PM, in article , "Hev"
wrote: "John" wrote in message ... On 3/4/05 10:44 PM, in article , "Hev" wrote: "Dave Martin" wrote in message k.net... "Hev" wrote in message ... I think everyone has the right to free music. And HERE'S the crux of the problem, folks. This boy wants something for nothing. No. The crux of the problem is that technology has rendered copyright useless. Time to adapt. Don't believe me? Listen to David Bowie: The absolute transformation of everything that we ever thought about music will take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be able to stop it. I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not going to happen. I'm fully confident that copyright, for instance, will no longer exist in 10 years, and authorship and intellectual property is in for such a bashing." - David Bowie June 9th, 2002 He gets it. People in this thread have been useless whiners resistant to change. What you don't get (and I'll wager Mr Bowie DOES as he's is pretty far beyond either 'clueless' or 'stupid') is that what he says here is NOT news, is NOT garbage but IS --incomplete-- as it merely states what will CHANGE, and like any bad lazy writer, you;ve assumed gleefully that the CHANGE is the RESULT adn that you can believe in your tunnelvisioned view, can blissfully ignore actually looking at the reality of what the change's repercussions will be. Try this: If somehow LOCKS were made magically ineffective overnight, it WOULD mean a BIG adaptation to the New Order, but you can be DAMNED sure that said 'new order' would NOT include the doltheaded whiners' dopedream that 'dude! everything's like FREE now man! All those oldsters who can;t adapt are like just not with the new-order revolution thing!'... How can you say a statement like "copyright will no longer exist in 10 years" to be incomplete? That says it all. And calling me clueless and stupid is only belittling the little you actually had to say. Yep, it would. That you forced that interpretation from where I said no such thing speaks volumes. You take it easy out there. |
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