[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 23, 9:27�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Aug 23, 11:11�pm, "GeoSynch" wrote:

Jilly jittered:

Would that be due to jism, or smegma?
Are you in desperate need of both for rejuvenation and to quench your
unslakable thirst?
Nice try, Sugar, Weak, but for you a valiant effort.

Why don't you learn how to write or at least have Pudge proofread your inanities
beforehand?

Are you intentionally boring, or are you entirely unaware of your soporific
affect on others?

Since you're a homo apologist and all-around fag-hag, that's how you get
treated, old girl.

"Homo apologist"? "Fag hag"?

LMAO!

I guess if you weren't present at the Matthew Shepard incident like he
was, you're an apologist.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 23, 10:00�pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 23 aug., 23:46, vinyl anachronist
wrote:





On Aug 23, 8:36 pm, MiNe 109 � wrote:

In article


,
Jenn wrote:
In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

It's the "I'm a Jew and so I can make jokes about the Holocaust"
approach.

Look at the conversation,

You said:
" George asked you a question. The argument is whether or not people
� should liken the proposed health care plan to Nazism. What is a
third
� alternative..."maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't"?

� You don't think these things out, do you. It's just a knee-jerk
reflex."

I said:
"is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?
\i think not "

which definitely means that Obamacare has nothing to do
with Nazism.

If the conversation were about genocide of NAtive Americans,'
I would have made a similar statement, something about
a white man's disease or tainted balnkets!
If it were about genocide of blacks,
i would have said something simialr abour slavery
As it was, the Obama likeness ewferred
to HItler rather than Simon Legree.

You klnow me better than that, Marc, to say waht you said
about me. I'll make fun of anything and anybody.

I'm not condemning you for that comment.

[vinyl anachronist]

On Aug 24, 11:43�am, ScottW2 wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:34�pm, Jenn wrote:

In article
,
�Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

�You think God reads RAO? � LoL.

If you're a Christian. the answer would be yes.

Duh.

[Clyde Slick]

On 24 aug., 14:43, ScottW2 wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:34*pm, Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

*You think God reads RAO? * LoL.

ScottW

The Devil used to, but he stopped.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:13, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*MiNe 109 * wrote:



In article

,
*Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

Stephen

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death co0unseling" tripe.

LOL! it's already in a VA handbook that until recently they directed
physicians
to show the VA patients. And also raises its head in a VA patient self
assessment questionaire
to be fair, this actually happened under the Bush Admin,
without its knowledge, but it shows what happens
when the govt bureaucracy is put in control
of health care.

Have you seen the book?

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_F...n_20001001.pdf

Yeah, pretty evil alright...

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:18, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn wondered:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the "death
co0unseling" tripe.

Why not? Practically everybody else does:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a...

Whether or not he admits it even to himself, Obama's talk of cutting
"inefficiencies" and reducing costs translates to less care, of lower
quality, for the elderly.

That's because there is no waste in the system, right?

Every existing national health system finds
ways to deny state-of-the-art medications and necessary surgical
procedures to countless patients, and ObamaCare has the nascent
mechanisms to do the same.

Show that "every existing national health system" does so more than
insurance companies presently do.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a...
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested in hearing the truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the source.

I listen to the truth. Murdoch is not known for it.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:36, Jenn wrote:
In article ,

*"GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.

Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a...
eath_panel_184897.htm

More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

You sound like an easy to dupe Kool-Aid drinker.

no, the kool aid drinkers are those in their
50's who swallow Obama's glib
assurances and don't look at the facts.

I'm looking at the facts. You are believing those who are lying about
the facts, i.e. the insurance companies and Fox.

In ten years you'll be a sorry old harpy, when you need care.
Unless you want to altruistically shorten your life to benefit
some thirty something stranger.

Yes, the insurance companies would like that.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

Whether or not he admits it even to himself, Obama's talk of cutting
"inefficiencies" and reducing costs translates to less care, of lower
quality, for the elderly.

That's because there is no waste in the system, right?

I'd like to know who put all those doctors up to saying that the elderly get
more medical treatments than they need. The breadth of the pernicious
Socialism Conspiracy Lobby is staggering. The socialists can't wait to start
reaping huge profits from cutting down on unnecessary procedures and
underutilized facilities.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
ScottW2 wrote:

Well, let's see. Please post your answers to
"What Makes Your Life Worth Living" on page 25
to see if you should call it quits.

Don't forget to complete the "Hope for Recovery"
Section.

How about "How Would you like to spend your last days"?

Sorry George, Rent Boys are not a VA benefit.

So much for relaxing the kill-file.

I believe Scott's take on this subject is a deliberate misreading.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 24 aug., 16:20, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 01:13, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article

,
*Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

Stephen

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death co0unseling" tripe.

LOL! it's already in a VA handbook that until recently they directed
physicians
to show the VA patients. And also raises its head in a VA patient self
assessment questionaire
to be fair, this actually happened under the Bush Admin,
without its knowledge, but it shows what happens
when the govt bureaucracy is put in control
of health care.

Have you seen the book?

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_F...n_20001001.pdf

Yeah, pretty evil alright...

page 25 is loaded with negativity

[Clyde Slick]

On 24 aug., 16:22, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:18, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn wondered:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the "death
co0unseling" tripe.

Why not? Practically everybody else does:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a....

*Whether or not he admits it even to himself, Obama's talk of cutting
"inefficiencies" and reducing costs translates to less care, of lower
quality, for the elderly.

That's because there is no waste in the system, right?

Every existing national health system finds
ways to deny state-of-the-art medications and necessary surgical
procedures to countless patients, and ObamaCare has the nascent
mechanisms to do the same.

Show that "every existing national health system" does so more than
insurance companies presently do.

Canada and Great Britain, the closest to our proposed system
certainl do by rationing not only care, but by rationing diagnoses.
Long waits or outright refusals for various tests and treatments.

[Clyde Slick]

On 24 aug., 16:23, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a...
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested *in hearing the truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the source.

I listen to the truth. *Murdoch is not known for it.

if you listen fo the truth, get ready for rationed care
you're no spring chicken.

[Harry Lavo]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:13, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:



In article

,
Jenn wrote:

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

Stephen

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death co0unseling" tripe.

LOL! it's already in a VA handbook that until recently they directed
physicians
to show the VA patients. And also raises its head in a VA patient self
assessment questionaire
to be fair, this actually happened under the Bush Admin,
without its knowledge, but it shows what happens
when the govt bureaucracy is put in control
of health care.

Have you seen the book?

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_F...n_20001001.pdf

Yeah, pretty evil alright...

Oh, yeah, horrible! Having to think about death! Ughhhh! And all because
that VA nasty death panel gave me this book......they WANT me to DIE!!

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 24, 3:25*pm, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,

*ScottW2 wrote:
Well, let's see. *Please post your answers to
"What Makes Your Life Worth Living" on page 25
to see if you should call it quits.

Don't forget to complete the "Hope for Recovery"
Section.

How about "How Would you like to spend your last days"?

Sorry George, Rent Boys are not a VA benefit.

So much for relaxing the kill-file.

Kill-files are for wimps.....
Ok, I see your need.

Boo! ICU, Arny.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

MiNe 109 said:

Sorry George, Rent Boys are not a VA benefit.

So much for relaxing the kill-file.

A killfile is a substitute for willpower.

I believe Scott's take on this subject is a deliberate misreading.

Scottie DEMANDS that we take his every jibe seriously and that we line up
facts and cogent arguments for him to run away from.

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

MiNe 109 said:

Sorry George, Rent Boys are not a VA benefit.

So much for relaxing the kill-file.

A killfile is a substitute for willpower.

I believe Scott's take on this subject is a deliberate misreading.

Scottie DEMANDS that we take his every jibe seriously and that we line up
facts and cogent arguments for him to run away from.

What would you call Scottie's current tantrum? "Meltdown" doesn't work
because it implies a loss of control. It's more as if he welcomes the
chance to throw off what little civility he had and go into full-flame
mode.

Stephen

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Sacky the duh-Meister said:

Canada and Great Britain, the closest to our proposed system
certainl do by rationing not only care, but by rationing diagnoses.
Long waits or outright refusals for various tests and treatments.

I take it you're not going to sign up for any new government insurance plan.
What exactly are you complaining about? BTW, you should hear the obstreperous
howling by the anti-reform shills. They make up the most outrageous strawman
arguments about insurance. Did you know the Federal government is going to
seize land and office buildings without compensation to house the new
bureaucracy? Or that the only discounted prenatal treatment will be abortion?
These are your fellow travelers.

Are you going to accuse me of any other made-up nonsense like you did the
other day?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

MiNe 109 said:

I believe Scott's take on this subject is a deliberate misreading.

Scottie DEMANDS that we take his every jibe seriously and that we line up
facts and cogent arguments for him to run away from.

What would you call Scottie's current tantrum? "Meltdown" doesn't work
because it implies a loss of control. It's more as if he welcomes the
chance to throw off what little civility he had and go into full-flame
mode.

Can we stick with "woofdown"? It incorporates the element of an angry, yapping
dog, which is of course the sine qua non of Witless's "Usenet career".

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
George M. Middius wrote:

MiNe 109 said:

I believe Scott's take on this subject is a deliberate misreading.

Scottie DEMANDS that we take his every jibe seriously and that we line up
facts and cogent arguments for him to run away from.

What would you call Scottie's current tantrum? "Meltdown" doesn't work
because it implies a loss of control. It's more as if he welcomes the
chance to throw off what little civility he had and go into full-flame
mode.

Can we stick with "woofdown"? It incorporates the element of an angry, yapping
dog, which is of course the sine qua non of Witless's "Usenet career".

Not bad, maybe he's slipped his leash.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 24 aug., 18:56, ScottW2 wrote:
On Aug 24, 3:45*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


*They want to whack Peter Green ...I cannot seem to "shake the
blues". *



them's FIGHTIN' WORDS

[Clyde Slick]

On 24 aug., 19:11, "Harry Lavo" wrote:



.....they WANT me to DIE!!

or "At least" be miserable

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article ,
"Harry Lavo" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
..
.
In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:13, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
MiNe 109 wrote:



In article

g
,
Jenn wrote:

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

Stephen

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death co0unseling" tripe.

LOL! it's already in a VA handbook that until recently they directed
physicians
to show the VA patients. And also raises its head in a VA patient self
assessment questionaire
to be fair, this actually happened under the Bush Admin,
without its knowledge, but it shows what happens
when the govt bureaucracy is put in control
of health care.

Have you seen the book?

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_F...n_20001001.pdf

Yeah, pretty evil alright...

Oh, yeah, horrible! Having to think about death! Ughhhh! And all because
that VA nasty death panel gave me this book......they WANT me to DIE!!

Planning ahead and making sure that your wishes are known totally sucks!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 16:23, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a.
..
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested *in hearing the truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the source.

I listen to the truth. *Murdoch is not known for it.

if you listen fo the truth, get ready for rationed care
you're no spring chicken.

Where in any of the proposals does rationed care appear?

Do you not understand that your healthcare is rationed now?

Feel free to not accept the government option. Choice is good.

[Clyde Slick]

On 24 aug., 22:45, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 16:23, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a.
..
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested *in hearing the truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the source..

I listen to the truth. *Murdoch is not known for it.

if you listen fo the truth, get ready for rationed care
you're no spring chicken.

Where in any of the proposals does rationed care appear?

Do you not understand that your healthcare is rationed now?

Feel free to not accept the government option. *Choice is good.

the government option will entice employers to drop the private
option.
A control board will oversee the private options and mandeate
its form of rationing.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

the government option will entice employers to drop the private
option.

What are you so afraid of?

A control board will oversee the private options and mandeate
its form of rationing.

You're a blithering idiot, but you're still no Scottie.

[hophead]

In article ,
says...

Can we stick with "woofdown"? It incorporates the element of an angry, yapping
dog, which is of course the sine qua non of Witless's "Usenet career".

Woofdown is good, but I also like "yapdown". It has all the qualities of
"woofdown" but implies a tiny, impotent little mutt who poses no real
threat at all.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

hophead said:

Can we stick with "woofdown"? It incorporates the element of an angry, yapping
dog, which is of course the sine qua non of Witless's "Usenet career".

Woofdown is good, but I also like "yapdown". It has all the qualities of
"woofdown" but implies a tiny, impotent little mutt who poses no real
threat at all.

Scottie has recently revived Paranoa™Borg's dreaded "clique" of mockers and
ridiculers. Membership is automatically granted after Witless has yapped at
you on two separate occasions.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 22:45, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 16:23, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing
the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...dcolumnists/it
s_a.
..
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested *in hearing the truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the source.

I listen to the truth. *Murdoch is not known for it.

if you listen fo the truth, get ready for rationed care
you're no spring chicken.

Where in any of the proposals does rationed care appear?

Do you not understand that your healthcare is rationed now?

Feel free to not accept the government option. *Choice is good.

the government option will entice employers to drop the private
option.

Then the privates should clean up their act and get competitive.

A control board will oversee the private options and mandeate
its form of rationing.

What are you basing this on?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 16:22, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:18, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn wondered:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.

Why not? Practically everybody else does:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a...

*Whether or not he admits it even to himself, Obama's talk of cutting
"inefficiencies" and reducing costs translates to less care, of lower
quality, for the elderly.

That's because there is no waste in the system, right?

Every existing national health system finds
ways to deny state-of-the-art medications and necessary surgical
procedures to countless patients, and ObamaCare has the nascent
mechanisms to do the same.

Show that "every existing national health system" does so more than
insurance companies presently do.

Canada and Great Britain, the closest to our proposed system

I'm not sure that this is true.

certainl do by rationing not only care, but by rationing diagnoses.
Long waits or outright refusals for various tests and treatments.

And yet their live expectancy is longer than ours.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 16:20, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 01:13, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article

rg
,
*Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

Stephen

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death co0unseling" tripe.

LOL! it's already in a VA handbook that until recently they directed
physicians
to show the VA patients. And also raises its head in a VA patient self
assessment questionaire
to be fair, this actually happened under the Bush Admin,
without its knowledge, but it shows what happens
when the govt bureaucracy is put in control
of health care.

Have you seen the book?

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_F...n_20001001.pdf

Yeah, pretty evil alright...

page 25 is loaded with negativity

Consider what you are saying: "I believe that it's a bad idea to plan
ahead for how I want my end of life care proceed. Whether I want to be
hooked up to a respirator for years or I want them to pull the plug
doesn't matter. I want to be like Terry Shivo."

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 24, 1:20*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 24 aug., 01:13, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article

rg
,
*Jenn wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

Stephen

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death co0unseling" tripe.

LOL! it's already in a VA handbook that until recently they directed
physicians
to show the VA patients. And also raises its head in a VA patient self
assessment questionaire
to be fair, this actually happened under the Bush Admin,
without its knowledge, but it shows what happens
when the govt bureaucracy is put in control
of health care.

Have you seen the book?

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_F...n_20001001.pdf

I love the opener.....undergoing revision and available soon.
How long has that been the case? I think I heard two years
on Wallace show. That's gov't efficiency in action.


Yeah, pretty evil alright...

Well, let's see. Please post your answers to
"What Makes Your Life Worth Living" on page 25
to see if you should call it quits.

Don't forget to complete the "Hope for Recovery"
Section.

How about "How Would you like to spend your last days"?

All good questions, especially the last one. You might wish for others
to make those decisions for you. I don't.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
,
ScottW2 wrote:

On Aug 24, 1:23*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a.
..
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested *in hearing the truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the source.

I listen to the truth.

You can't handle the truth. LoL.

I love these really deep arguments well based in demonstrated
fact.

ScottW

Where in the proposed bills does it appear that one will be counseled to
end one's life? Where is the "pulling the plug on Grandma" paragraph?
The people making these arguments should be ashamed of themselves for
scaring people.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

A control board will oversee the private options and mandeate
its form of rationing.

What are you basing this on?

Religious faith and paranoia.

[Harry Lavo]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 22:45, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 16:23, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is
believing
the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...dcolumnists/it
s_a.
..
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested in hearing the
truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the
source.

I listen to the truth. Murdoch is not known for it.

if you listen fo the truth, get ready for rationed care
you're no spring chicken.

Where in any of the proposals does rationed care appear?

Do you not understand that your healthcare is rationed now?

Feel free to not accept the government option. Choice is good.

the government option will entice employers to drop the private
option.

Then the privates should clean up their act and get competitive.

My understanding is that the bills have a provision whereby firms currently
offering health care cannot change to the public plan for at least five
years....which gives the private firms plenty of time to clean up their
acts.


A control board will oversee the private options and mandeate
its form of rationing.

What are you basing this on?

I think he is referring to the panel that will recommend and publicize "best
practices". Ooh, ooh, be TERRIBLY AFRAID!

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 aug., 02:44, Jenn wrote:
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*Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 16:22, Jenn wrote:
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*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:18, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn wondered:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.

Why not? Practically everybody else does:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...lumnists/its_a...

*Whether or not he admits it even to himself, Obama's talk of cutting
"inefficiencies" and reducing costs translates to less care, of lower
quality, for the elderly.

That's because there is no waste in the system, right?

Every existing national health system finds
ways to deny state-of-the-art medications and necessary surgical
procedures to countless patients, and ObamaCare has the nascent
mechanisms to do the same.

Show that "every existing national health system" does so more than
insurance companies presently do.

Canada and Great Britain, the closest to our proposed system

I'm not sure that this is true.

certainl do by rationing not only care, but by rationing diagnoses.
Long waits or outright refusals for various tests and treatments.

And yet their live expectancy is longer than ours.

they have a different lifestyle and a different diet.
as far as health care they are 100% covered with an
inferior system and we are 90% covered with a superior one.
all we have to do is cover the other 10%

the original argument over health care was
lack of access to insurance.
Now the advocacy has morphed into the necessity for
making US health care a public system.

And your side presents three different arguments side by side
One, that the plan will not compel those who prefer
private insurance to move to public
and your second argument is that countries with sole
public care are better off. Your third argument that
the private health care sector is inherently evil

No wonder we don't trust you when you
assert thaqt private care will remain a viable option.

go back to the original problem, solve it, provide insurance
coverage to those who don't have it

waht you are doing is talking out of
both sides of your mouth at the same time
public good, private evil, we will be better
off if we are all public, but of course we will
protect the private system, snicker, snicker.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 aug., 02:46, Jenn wrote:
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*Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 16:20, Jenn wrote:
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*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:13, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article

rg
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*Jenn wrote:

In article
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*Clyde Slick wrote:

is the oven option included in the death co0unseling?

Dear God...

I hope Art thinks it's funny and doesn't believe what he's saying.

Stephen

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing the
"death co0unseling" tripe.

LOL! it's already in a VA handbook that until recently they directed
physicians
to show the VA patients. And also raises its head in a VA patient self
assessment questionaire
to be fair, this actually happened under the Bush Admin,
without its knowledge, but it shows what happens
when the govt bureaucracy is put in control
of health care.

Have you seen the book?

http://www.ethics.va.gov/YLYC/YLYC_F...n_20001001.pdf

Yeah, pretty evil alright...

page 25 is loaded with negativity

Consider what you are saying: "I believe that it's a bad idea to plan
ahead for how I want my end of life care proceed. *Whether I want to be
hooked up to a respirator for years or I want them to pull the plug
doesn't matter. *I want to be like Terry Shivo."

i never said that.
When other people done that to you, you
have called them liars.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 aug., 02:38, Jenn wrote:
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*Clyde Slick wrote:



On 24 aug., 22:45, Jenn wrote:
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*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 16:23, Jenn wrote:
In article
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*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 24 aug., 01:27, "GeoSynch" wrote:
Jenn spat:

In addition to the bad taste, I'm wondering if he is believing
the
"death
co0unseling" tripe.
Why not? Practically everybody else does:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009...dcolumnists/it
s_a.
..
More Murdoch crapola.

You sound like a bitter old harpy.

She sounds like someone who isn't interested *in hearing the truth.
Instead of addressing the issue, she summarily dismisses the source.

I listen to the truth. *Murdoch is not known for it.

if you listen fo the truth, get ready for rationed care
you're no spring chicken.

Where in any of the proposals does rationed care appear?

Do you not understand that your healthcare is rationed now?

Feel free to not accept the government option. *Choice is good.

the government option will entice employers to drop the private
option.

Then the privates should clean up their act and get competitive.

A control board will oversee the private options and mandeate
its form of rationing.

What are you basing this on?

the bill provides for Fed oversight of private systems.
the impetus is clearly for manged care, at the expense of the elderly

[MiNe 109]

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Jenn wrote:

Canada and Great Britain, the closest to our proposed system

I'm not sure that this is true.

http://tinyurl.com/lp2r9v

"5 Myths About Health Care Around the World"

1. It's all socialized medicine out there.

Not so. Some countries, such as Britain, New Zealand and Cuba, do
provide health care in government hospitals, with the government paying
the bills. Others -- for instance, Canada and Taiwan -- rely on
private-sector providers, paid for by government-run insurance. But many
wealthy countries -- including Germany, the Netherlands, Japan and
Switzerland -- provide universal coverage using private doctors, private
hospitals and private insurance plans.

In some ways, health care is less "socialized" overseas than in the
United States. Almost all Americans sign up for government insurance
(Medicare) at age 65. In Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands,
seniors stick with private insurance plans for life. Meanwhile, the U.S.
Department of Veterans Affairs is one of the planet's purest examples of
government-run health care.

--

Someone get Art a subscription to the Washington Post!

Stephen

[hophead]

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Scottie has recently revived Paranoa?Borg's dreaded "clique" of mockers and
ridiculers. Membership is automatically granted after Witless has yapped at
you on two separate occasions.

I think that includes all the Normals currently posting on RAO. But
aside from mockery and ridicule, how else can one respond to Witless?
It's not like Yapper is interested in actually discussing the "points"
he makes.