On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:29 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

** Bob's most likely problem is that his test disk has serious distortion. snip

Maybe, but...

The other possibility is that his pre-amp following the CD player cannot
accept 2 volt rms without distortion - many older domestic amps were only
designed for 200mV - 500 mV signals on the aux inputs. snip

Bingo!

Some may hate to admit it, but when Allison's right, he's right. The
test: pad down the output of the CD player 15 dB, and if he's right,
trouble should clear. IIRC, consumer/unbalanced gear was designed for
years so that a 0 dB(.775) (the voltage of the familiar milliwatt into
600 ohms) tone would drive it to rated power. Thus, a 2 volt signal
would be nearly 8 dB above that...way too much for a steady state
signal.

dB

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:01:14 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote:

You want to really find nonlinearity problems in DACs...generate three tones
in CEP, at 9.6kHz, 19kHz and 19.5kHz, each at (say) -1dBFS, then mix them
down at equal levels so the composite wave totals -0.1dBFS. snip

Durrrr...0 dB tones right below the Nyquist frequency? I DON'T THINK
SO! Show me ANY program material with that much high frequency
content...it doesn't exist. This is a non-valid test.

dB

"DeserTBoB"
Phil Allison

** Bob's most likely problem is that his test disk has serious
distortion. snip

Maybe, but...

The other possibility is that his pre-amp following the CD player cannot
accept 2 volt rms without distortion - many older domestic amps were only
designed for 200mV - 500 mV signals on the aux inputs. snip

Bingo!

Some may hate to admit it, but when Allison's right, he's right. The
test: pad down the output of the CD player 15 dB, and if he's right,
trouble should clear. IIRC, consumer/unbalanced gear was designed for
years so that a 0 dB(.775) (the voltage of the familiar milliwatt into
600 ohms) tone would drive it to rated power. Thus, a 2 volt signal
would be nearly 8 dB above that...way too much for a steady state
signal.



** The power amp stage may well be driven to full output by a 775mV
signal - but there is a volume control in front able to supply any amount
of attenuation. The culprit will be the line input / tone control stage
with a gain of around 20 dB or 10 times voltage. If this stage has a max
output of 10 volts rms, then an input greater than 1 volt rms will cause
clipping.

This should be obvious to Bob by the fact that the volume control has to be
turned way low.


................. Phil

DeserTBoB wrote:

This is a non-valid test.

It's an absolutely vaid test of the specification, whether or not any
music would show such content. That which meets the spec will pass the
test; that which cannot, will not.

--
ha

"DeserTBoB" wrote in message

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:01:14 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote:

You want to really find nonlinearity problems in DACs...generate
three tones in CEP, at 9.6kHz, 19kHz and 19.5kHz, each at (say)
-1dBFS, then mix them down at equal levels so the composite wave
totals -0.1dBFS. snip

Durrrr...0 dB tones right below the Nyquist frequency?

They are not that close, practically speaking.

I DON'T THINK SO!

Those test tones work a treat on many 44.1 KHz converters.

Show me ANY program material with that much high frequency
content...it doesn't exist. This is a non-valid test.

Its almost a worst case test.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:21:03 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"DeserTBoB"
Phil Allison

** Bob's most likely problem is that his test disk has serious
distortion. snip

Maybe, but...

The other possibility is that his pre-amp following the CD player cannot
accept 2 volt rms without distortion - many older domestic amps were only
designed for 200mV - 500 mV signals on the aux inputs. snip

Bingo!

Some may hate to admit it, but when Allison's right, he's right. The
test: pad down the output of the CD player 15 dB, and if he's right,
trouble should clear. IIRC, consumer/unbalanced gear was designed for
years so that a 0 dB(.775) (the voltage of the familiar milliwatt into
600 ohms) tone would drive it to rated power. Thus, a 2 volt signal
would be nearly 8 dB above that...way too much for a steady state
signal.



** The power amp stage may well be driven to full output by a 775mV
signal - but there is a volume control in front able to supply any amount
of attenuation. The culprit will be the line input / tone control stage
with a gain of around 20 dB or 10 times voltage. If this stage has a max
output of 10 volts rms, then an input greater than 1 volt rms will cause
clipping.

This should be obvious to Bob by the fact that the volume control has to be
turned way low.


................ Phil


The distortion was there regardless of any settings on the equipment, and like I
said, other CDs play fine.

I'm sure now I screwed up the CD somehow, now that you've assured me that -1db
signals should go through fine!

On 13 Jan 2005 06:43:32 -0500, (Mike Rivers) wrote:


In article writes:

The waveform of that clip ( City of Angels / Uninvited / Alanis Morisette ) is
so horrendous looking it scared me! It looks totally peaked out - but it sounds
ok - weird!

No, it sounds dreadful, but you just don't have a reference so you
don't konw how much different from the original recording the CD
sounds.

After seeing the wave I can imagine there is a better version!

any way of getting the linear one? :}

"Bob"
"Phil Allison"


** Bob's most likely problem is that his test disk has serious
distortion. snip

Maybe, but...

The other possibility is that his pre-amp following the CD player cannot
accept 2 volt rms without distortion - many older domestic amps were
only
designed for 200mV - 500 mV signals on the aux inputs. snip

Bingo!

Some may hate to admit it, but when Allison's right, he's right. The
test: pad down the output of the CD player 15 dB, and if he's right,
trouble should clear. IIRC, consumer/unbalanced gear was designed for
years so that a 0 dB(.775) (the voltage of the familiar milliwatt into
600 ohms) tone would drive it to rated power. Thus, a 2 volt signal
would be nearly 8 dB above that...way too much for a steady state
signal.



** The power amp stage may well be driven to full output by a 775mV
signal - but there is a volume control in front able to supply any amount
of attenuation. The culprit will be the line input / tone control stage
with a gain of around 20 dB or 10 times voltage. If this stage has a max
output of 10 volts rms, then an input greater than 1 volt rms will cause
clipping.

This should be obvious to Bob by the fact that the volume control has to
be
turned way low.



The distortion was there regardless of any settings on the equipment,



** Yes - that is as I said it would be.




................ Phil

On 2005-01-11, Arny Krueger wrote:

digital can never be perfect, long live the acetate ripping
needle!!!!!

Yes, I regret to admit that I just spent a lot of my winter vacation camping
in the Anza-Barrago (California) and Baja Mexico (Erindera) deserts and
failed to bring back any cactus needles.

Are you serious about wanting cactus needles? Is a particular
kind of cactus preferred?

I got nothin' if I ain't got cactus.

"DeserTBoB" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:29 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

** Bob's most likely problem is that his test disk has serious
distortion. snip

Maybe, but...

The other possibility is that his pre-amp following the CD player cannot
accept 2 volt rms without distortion - many older domestic amps were only
designed for 200mV - 500 mV signals on the aux inputs. snip

Bingo!

Some may hate to admit it, but when Allison's right, he's right. The
test: pad down the output of the CD player 15 dB, and if he's right,
trouble should clear. IIRC, consumer/unbalanced gear was designed for
years so that a 0 dB(.775) (the voltage of the familiar milliwatt into
600 ohms) tone would drive it to rated power. Thus, a 2 volt signal
would be nearly 8 dB above that...way too much for a steady state
signal.

You're confusing power amplifier sensitivity figures with preamps. Phil's
correct about the possibility of preamp overload -- *if* the preamp in
question has active circuitry between its input and volume control. This was
common in European equipment, less so in American and Japanese, which tended
to have a passive connection from the input selector switch to the volume
control.

All that said, if a preamp buffer stage is overloading on 2V rms, that's
still pathetic.

Peace,
Paul

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"DeserTBoB" wrote in message

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:01:14 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote:

You want to really find nonlinearity problems in DACs...generate
three tones in CEP, at 9.6kHz, 19kHz and 19.5kHz, each at (say)
-1dBFS, then mix them down at equal levels so the composite wave
totals -0.1dBFS. snip

Durrrr...0 dB tones right below the Nyquist frequency?

They are not that close, practically speaking.

I DON'T THINK SO!

Those test tones work a treat on many 44.1 KHz converters.

And, for that matter, on some 96kHz converters. The test tones are well over
an octave below the Nyquist frequency, and still generate all kinds of crap.

Peace,
Paul

"james of tucson" wrote in
message atory.com
On 2005-01-11, Arny Krueger wrote:

digital can never be perfect, long live the acetate ripping
needle!!!!!

Yes, I regret to admit that I just spent a lot of my winter vacation
camping in the Anza-Barrago (California) and Baja Mexico (Erindera)
deserts and failed to bring back any cactus needles.

Are you serious about wanting cactus needles?

no! If I need one I should just check over my clothes from the trip. ;-)

"DeserTBoB" wrote in message

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:01:14 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote:

You want to really find nonlinearity problems in DACs...generate
three tones in CEP, at 9.6kHz, 19kHz and 19.5kHz, each at (say)
-1dBFS, then mix them down at equal levels so the composite wave
totals -0.1dBFS. snip

Durrrr...0 dB tones right below the Nyquist frequency?

I DON'T THINK SO!

I don't think so either, come to think of it. Never did. Those three tones
*aren't* at 0dBFS; each of them is about -9.6dBFS. (The *composite* is
at -0.1dBFS.) Three or more high frequencies at just above -10dBFS, on
today's highly compressed and trebly recordings? That, I do think.

Peace,
Paul

[[email protected]]

Bob:

Cut through the sturm un drang in this thread and get THIS DISC: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00000...&robot_redir=1

I keep mine in a safe, along with the deed and my VOMeter.


Track #8 is one minute of full-scale 1kHz sine.

Get a reading of .3-.5V and you should be rockin'!

More info: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oo-hot.350381/

[None]

wrote in message
...
Bob:

Who? WTF?

Cut through the sturm un drang in this thread

What thread? You started the thread, so you could only be talking
about your own post when you label it phony German.

and get THIS DISC:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00000...&robot_redir=1

I keep mine in a safe, along with the deed and my VOMeter.

Whatever you say, li'l buddy.

Track #8 is one minute of full-scale 1kHz sine.

Get a reading of .3-.5V and you should be rockin'!

Who gives a **** whether you think anybody should be "rockin'"?

More info:
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oo-hot.350381/

[John Williamson]

On 26/07/2014 14:45, wrote:
Bob:

Cut through the sturm un drang in this thread and get THIS DISC: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00000...&robot_redir=1

I keep mine in a safe, along with the deed and my VOMeter.

I don't, I burn a copy of any needed tests as and when I need them from
files on the HD. Similarly, the meter is in a drawer next to the
oscilloscope. The house deeds are in a safe at the bank, with a copy in
a filing cabinet at home.

Track #8 is one minute of full-scale 1kHz sine.

Get a reading of .3-.5V and you should be rockin'!

RMS? Peak? A-weighted? C-weighted?

They all give different levels for other frequencies in the signal,
which can affect distortion and s/n ratios. Anyway, my gear is set up to
use +4dB as a clean reference level on such inputs, and when I'm mixing
in the box, there *is* no reference level to set, as I copy the CD
material bit-for-bit to HD first.

I also use sound recordings I have made on my equipment to check what
the music on the CD claims to check. I *know* what it sounded like live.
The tracks on the CD you mention sound like the stuff that they put on
early Vinyl sampler/ setup Lps. It's all got a "wow!!!" factor, but not
much sublety.

More info: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oo-hot.350381/

AKA how to set up a home system to match a cheap CD player. If you have
trouble doing this, you shouldn't be driving a mixing desk, especially
if you have the cheek to charge for the results.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[geoff]

On 27/07/2014 1:45 a.m., wrote:
Bob:

Cut through the sturm un drang in this thread and get THIS DISC: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00000...&robot_redir=1

I keep mine in a safe, along with the deed and my VOMeter.


Track #8 is one minute of full-scale 1kHz sine.

Get a reading of .3-.5V and you should be rockin'!

More info: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oo-hot.350381/



Test-tone discs are trivial to produce with almost any tones you could
imagine at any levels.

How does any of that relate to an analogue voltage ?

geofg

[John Williamson]

On 27/07/2014 01:25, geoff wrote:
On 27/07/2014 1:45 a.m., wrote:
Bob:

Cut through the sturm un drang in this thread and get THIS DISC:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00000...&robot_redir=1


I keep mine in a safe, along with the deed and my VOMeter.


Track #8 is one minute of full-scale 1kHz sine.

Get a reading of .3-.5V and you should be rockin'!

More info:
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...oo-hot.350381/




Test-tone discs are trivial to produce with almost any tones you could
imagine at any levels.

How does any of that relate to an analogue voltage ?

The OP hasn't got a clue about what he's on about. Can't or won't
listen, and can't or won't learn. It's all a bit sad, really.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Trevor]

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 26/07/2014 14:45, wrote:
Bob:

Cut through the sturm un drang in this thread and get THIS DISC:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00000...&robot_redir=1

I keep mine in a safe, along with the deed and my VOMeter.

I don't, I burn a copy of any needed tests as and when I need them from
files on the HD. Similarly, the meter is in a drawer next to the
oscilloscope. The house deeds are in a safe at the bank, with a copy in a
filing cabinet at home.

Track #8 is one minute of full-scale 1kHz sine.
Get a reading of .3-.5V and you should be rockin'!

RMS? Peak? A-weighted? C-weighted?
They all give different levels for other frequencies in the signal,

What other frequencies in a 1kHz sine wave? How badly does your CD player
distort?

Trevor.

[[email protected]]

Trevor:

Read the Steve Hoffman thread I linked to. In the O.P. is a screen shot of the peaks that are clipped when you are sending 1-2.5V peak per channel into a 150-200mV sensitive line-level input.


Even if only the highest peaks are squared off, subconsciously your mind is filling in those blanks, compensating for missing/distorted content.


I took their advice, purchased and installed the Harrison Labs 12dB pads, and am hearing things I never heard before in my CDs and DVDs.

Instruments are distinct and separate. Stereo placement and depth are tangible.

[None]

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
The OP hasn't got a clue about what he's on about. Can't or won't
listen, and can't or won't learn. It's all a bit sad, really.

Yet he pretends he can instruct and educate the regulars in this
newsgroup. It's all pathetic, really.

[Scott Dorsey]

wrote:
Trevor:

Read the Steve Hoffman thread I linked to. In the O.P. is a screen shot of the peaks that are clipped when you are sending 1-2.5V peak per channel into a 150-200mV sensitive line-level input.

This is a pro-audio group. We don't use cheesy stuff like that. In the
pro audio world, analogue levels are standardized, unlike in the consumer
"-10" world.

I took their advice, purchased and installed the Harrison Labs 12dB pads, and am hearing things I never heard before in my CDs and DVDs.

This is a sign your preamplifier is poorly designed. Even back in the sixties
typical stereo preamps had enough headroom to handle a 2.5V peak signal on a
line input.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[John Williamson]

On 27/07/2014 11:46, Trevor wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message

RMS? Peak? A-weighted? C-weighted?
They all give different levels for other frequencies in the signal,

What other frequencies in a 1kHz sine wave? How badly does your CD player
distort?

If I'm using it to line up a system, if that system has a non-flat
response, then differing frequency responses in the playback system will
give differing results at frequencies other than 1kHz.

Ideally, he should be using pink or white noise to verify the setting
after using the 1kHz tone.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[John Williamson]

On 27/07/2014 17:04, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote:
Trevor:

Read the Steve Hoffman thread I linked to. In the O.P. is a screen shot of the peaks that are clipped when you are sending 1-2.5V peak per channel into a 150-200mV sensitive line-level input.

This is a pro-audio group. We don't use cheesy stuff like that. In the
pro audio world, analogue levels are standardized, unlike in the consumer
"-10" world.

I took their advice, purchased and installed the Harrison Labs 12dB pads, and am hearing things I never heard before in my CDs and DVDs.

This is a sign your preamplifier is poorly designed. Even back in the sixties
typical stereo preamps had enough headroom to handle a 2.5V peak signal on a
line input.
--scott

It's possibly also a sign that because he's spent some money on gear,
it's *got* to sound better,otherwise he's wasted the money. I'll bet he
hasn't done a level matched A-B comparison, preferably blind.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[geoff]

On 28/07/2014 12:58 a.m., wrote:
Trevor:

Read the Steve Hoffman thread I linked to. In the O.P. is a screen shot of the peaks that are clipped when you are sending 1-2.5V peak per channel into a 150-200mV sensitive line-level input.


Even if only the highest peaks are squared off, subconsciously your mind is filling in those blanks, compensating for missing/distorted content.


I took their advice, purchased and installed the Harrison Labs 12dB pads, and am hearing things I never heard before in my CDs and DVDs.

Instruments are distinct and separate. Stereo placement and depth are tangible.



Well for a change that makes sense. Your original comment by itself was
rubbish.

geoff

[Trevor]

wrote in message
...
Trevor:

Read the Steve Hoffman thread I linked to. In the O.P. is a screen shot
of the peaks that are clipped when you are sending 1-2.5V peak per channel
into a 150-200mV sensitive line-level input.

Naturally, what I said is that is at least 30 year old news for the rest of
us here! What took you so long to catch up?

Trevor.

[Trevor]

"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 27/07/2014 11:46, Trevor wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
RMS? Peak? A-weighted? C-weighted?
They all give different levels for other frequencies in the signal,

What other frequencies in a 1kHz sine wave? How badly does your CD player
distort?

If I'm using it to line up a system, if that system has a non-flat
response, then differing frequency responses in the playback system will
give differing results at frequencies other than 1kHz.



I don't know too many CD players with a substantially non flat response, and
I'm glad I have never owned one anyway. He wasn't talking about making room
or speaker corrections, but I guess you've moved the discussion there.

Trevor.

[[email protected]]

Trevor wrote: "Naturally, what I said is that is at least 30 year old news for the rest of us here! What took you so long to catch up? "


We all learn/discover at different rates.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Scott Dorsey wrote:
This is a pro-audio group. We don't use cheesy stuff like that. In the
pro audio world, analogue levels are standardized, unlike in the consumer
"-10" world.


Crikey. I take it you don't watch much television - or it's very different
in the US from the UK. ;-)

--
*If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[None]

wrote in message
...
Trevor wrote: "Naturally, what I said is that is at least 30 year
old news for the rest of us here! What took you so long to catch up?
"


We all learn/discover at different rates.

You said it was a "recent insight". It's not. Slow learners shouldn't
pretend that they can educate adults. Especially slow learners who
refuse to learn.

[John Williamson]

On 28/07/2014 11:23, Trevor wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
...
On 27/07/2014 11:46, Trevor wrote:
"John Williamson" wrote in message
RMS? Peak? A-weighted? C-weighted?
They all give different levels for other frequencies in the signal,

What other frequencies in a 1kHz sine wave? How badly does your CD player
distort?

If I'm using it to line up a system, if that system has a non-flat
response, then differing frequency responses in the playback system will
give differing results at frequencies other than 1kHz.



I don't know too many CD players with a substantially non flat response, and
I'm glad I have never owned one anyway. He wasn't talking about making room
or speaker corrections, but I guess you've moved the discussion there.


Slightly, as he was talking about setting up a domestic "receiver" to
work with a CD player, and he didn't mention *where* the clipping was
happening. He's just assuming that it was in the pre-amps.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[[email protected]]

None wrote: "You said it was a "recent insight". It's not. Slow learners shouldn't pretend that they can educate adults. Especially slow learners who"SNIP

Oh **** off and go work for FOX News! You've got the best disposition for them. Disparaging folks and refuting every point they make.

It takes a lot of guts to admit one is a slow learner, and that they are at least trying. Maybe None you grew up in a perfect household with every need provided, you were one of the sharp-witted jocks in high school athletics who didn't need to study to get high grades, attracted all the girls on the cheerleading squad, ood for you! Just don't push around the rest of us who aren't perfect like you.

[[email protected]]

None wrote: "You said it was a "recent insight". It's not. Slow learners shouldn't pretend that they can educate adults. Especially slow learners who"SNIP

Oh **** off and go work for FOX News! You've got the best disposition for them. Disparaging folks and refuting every point they make.

It takes a lot of guts to admit one is a slow learner, and that they are at least trying. Maybe None you grew up in a perfect household with every need provided, you were one of the sharp-witted jocks in high school athletics who didn't need to study to get high grades, attracted all the girls on the cheerleading squad, good for you! Just don't push around the rest of us who aren't perfect like you.

[Scott Dorsey]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scott Dorsey wrote:
This is a pro-audio group. We don't use cheesy stuff like that. In the
pro audio world, analogue levels are standardized, unlike in the consumer
"-10" world.

Crikey. I take it you don't watch much television - or it's very different
in the US from the UK. ;-)

The television world is the _opposite_ of the pro audio world, nobody actually
cares about the audio for television. The way television people deal with
levels is to use AGC devices at every stage in the chain instead of actually
setting reference levels. This means that by the time it gets from the main
studio through the syndicator and the network, the local affiliate and the
cable headend, you can hear at least a dozen pumping away at the same time.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[John Williamson]

On 28/07/2014 14:10, wrote:
None wrote: "You said it was a "recent insight". It's not. Slow learners shouldn't pretend that they can educate adults. Especially slow learners who"SNIP

Oh **** off and go work for FOX News! You've got the best disposition for them. Disparaging folks and refuting every point they make.

It takes a lot of guts to admit one is a slow learner, and that they are at least trying. Maybe None you grew up in a perfect household with every need provided, you were one of the sharp-witted jocks in high school athletics who didn't need to study to get high grades, attracted all the girls on the cheerleading squad, ood for you! Just don't push around the rest of us who aren't perfect like you.

Nobody was pushing anyone around.

Claiming that decades old knowledge, which can be worked out from first
principles by anyone with more than half a working brain, on the other
hand, while trying to tell some of the best and most experienced people
in the industry that they are wrong, however...

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Scott Dorsey wrote:
This is a pro-audio group. We don't use cheesy stuff like that. In
the pro audio world, analogue levels are standardized, unlike in the
consumer "-10" world.

Crikey. I take it you don't watch much television - or it's very
different in the US from the UK. ;-)

The television world is the _opposite_ of the pro audio world, nobody
actually cares about the audio for television.

Glad I don't live in the US, then. In the UK, plenty do care - but are
fighting a battle against those who would seek to save money by using
semi-skilled where skilled should be used, and so on.


The way television
people deal with levels is to use AGC devices at every stage in the
chain instead of actually setting reference levels.

Not the case in the UK. A good dubbing facility (or TV studio, etc) takes
just as much care over line up levels than any recording studio.

This means that by
the time it gets from the main studio through the syndicator and the
network, the local affiliate and the cable headend, you can hear at
least a dozen pumping away at the same time. --scott

Right - we don't have that problem here, since terrestrial goes through a
much more defined and controlled chain.

What I was taking issue with was that although you may get a perfectly
correct line up from a 'pro' facility, what's on the file may not bear
that much relationship to it. ;-) Like quite severe clipping. I'm sure
you'd not let anything like that leave you, but I've seen it so often to
know plenty do.

--
*WHERE DO FOREST RANGERS GO TO "GET AWAY FROM IT ALL?"

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[[email protected]]

Dave Plowman (News):

Hey I thought your EBU-R128 standard was supposed to fix all that for your broadcast audio?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article ,
wrote:
Dave Plowman (News):

Hey I thought your EBU-R128 standard was supposed to fix all that for
your broadcast audio?

You can set any standard you want. Enforcing it is a different matter.

--
*Work is for people who don't know how to fish.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[None]

crybaby chrissie @gmail.com wrote in message
...
None wrote: "You said it was a "recent insight". It's not. Slow
learners shouldn't pretend that they can educate adults. Especially
slow learners who"SNIP

Oh **** off and go work for FOX News! You've got the best
disposition for them. Disparaging folks and refuting every point
they make.

It takes a lot of guts to admit one is a slow learner, and that they
are at least trying.

But you're not trying. You've gone to great lengths to prove that
you're not trying. Various people in this newsgroups have tried to
educate you, but you've refused. Relevant texts have been recommended,
and you've refused to read them. It doesn't take guts to admit that
you're trying to learn when it's not true. Nobody is fooled here any
more. You're not interested in learning.

You want to pretend that you can educate the experts, on subjects that
you have no understanding of, and which you have no intention of
learning. So enough with this bull**** about "at least trying." You're
insulting everyone's intelligence, and unlike you, some of the
regulars here are very intelligent.

Maybe None you grew up in a perfect household with every need
provided, you were one of the sharp-witted jocks in high school
athletics who didn't need to study to get high grades, attracted all
the girls on the cheerleading squad, ood for you! Just don't push
around the rest of us who aren't perfect like you.

So you tried to hit on cheerleaders, and you were shot down. Get over
it. If you want to carry on intelligent discussions about audio in
this newsgroup, you'll have to educate yourself. Whining about
cheerleaders and lying about trying to learn won't really cut it.

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****ing idiot @gmail.com wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News):

Hey I thought your EBU-R128 standard was supposed to fix all that
for your broadcast audio?

You have no idea what EBU-R128 is. Don't pretend that you do. You're
not fooling anyone, at least not in this newsgroup. Maybe at that
other forum where people can't even tell the difference between
voltage and power, you might have better luck at convincing people
you're not a ****ing idiot. Little chance of that here.