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Comments regarding: Cables, Hearing, Stuff!!
On 28 Apr 2004 11:58:06 GMT, Steven Sullivan wrote:
I myself keep a Systemdek II TT around for doing LP-to-CDR transfers. IIRC I paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $600 for it, back in the early 80's -- a considerable sum for me at the time. For all I know, Stewart keeps 'legacy' devices around as well, for specialized use. Yup, I even have Nagra and Tandberg reel-to-reel tape decks! They may hit eBay sometime soon though - I've not used them for years. No 78s, though.... :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Comments regarding: Cables, Hearing, Stuff!!
Stewart Pinkerton
wrote: On 27 Apr 2004 23:22:42 GMT, (Nousaine) wrote: "Harry Lavo" wrote: Actually, I've had three car crashes withing 50 yards of my living room over the years. So my analagy isn't so far fetched, is it? :-) Sure it is. When was the last time you heard a car crash in your room or where you were in the direct acoustic field? We've ALL heard car crashes from an acoustically distant perspective. "The schreeching tires, the bustin' glass the woeful cries that I heard last ...oh where oh where could my baby be...?" Bu tif my listening room were within 50 yards of where woulld be likely to occur ...I'd move.... most likely because the ambient noise level would be too high for anything but a sound-resistent construction. The latter is unacceptable to me because it costs too much and it tends to accentuate room mode peaks. It depends. My listening room is within 20 yards of a crossroads on the main Nottingham to Loughborough road, and there have been many serious crashes over the 14 years we've lived here - but OTOH I have 13" thick brick/block walls, a concrete slab floor and triple glazing on that room, giving a typical noise floor well below 30dBA. Since the room is well dimensioned, I find that bass is the most solid I've ever experienced, but not at all boomy. Large planar dipoles do help in this regard of course, since the large quasi-line source (with large variation in the distance to rear wall across the panel in my case) spreads the resonances quite effectively. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering Fair points. I live in a fairly remote subdivision large lots and widely spaced houses 1.5-miles from the nearest 2-lane highway, 12-miles from the nearest expressway and 50-miles from the nearest airport and have similar noise levels. OTOH I've found that 1/2-inch drywall with stick frame construction provides a fine way to help knock the tops off even my well distributes modal patterns. The price is more speaker displacement to replace the lost sound pressure. |
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Comments regarding: Cables, Hearing, Stuff!!
From: Stewart Pinkerton
Date: 4/28/2004 3:37 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:39:07 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote: From: Steven Sullivan Date: 4/27/2004 11:42 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: 1Qxjc.52349$_L6.4139753@attbi_s53 S888Wheel wrote: From: (Nousaine) This follows the absolute polarity thread. No one has ever shown an ability to "hear" absolute polarity under normally reverberant playback conditions ( loudspeaker in a room.) So exactly why would any enthusiast care on eway or another? Motivations are personal in nature. I wonder why some one would purchase High end equipment only to argue that it isn't really all that good. I see that as a waste of money or a commitment to arguing. To each his own. I'd wonder about that too. I haven't seen anyone do it here, though. Maybe you missed this.... Stewart said "To be fair, that is certainly one reason why I have always kept that Krell, the Apogee speakers and the Gyrodec - they fend off the tired old 'you've never heard decent gear' strawman." I said "Really? Seems like a major investment in an argument. Wouldn't it simply be wiser to buy less expensive equipment if you think it doesn't make any difference in sound quality? One doesn't have to own highend equipment to hear it and have an opinion on it. The arguments have gone on for many years. I would never invest money in equipment so I could agrue about it with people who have already made up thier minds about things." No answer was ever given. That is untrue. I replied that the Krell was bought used for a grand, and it's certainly the case that the GyroDec and Apogee Duetta Sigs have quantifiable advantages over cheaper equipment. I never saw any reply to that specific post. If I missed it I humbly apologize Now it is entirely possible that Stewart did believe those components were sonically superior when he bought them Indeed yes, that should be obvious. Aside from the Krell, which simply has more current reserves than other sonically similar amps, suggesting long-term reliability driving the 3-ohm Duattas. and decided to keep them even after concluding there were not superior and in one case quite inferior to less expensive equipment. Excuse me? Which of my items have I found to be 'quite inferior to less expensive equipment'? The Gyrodeck to any "competent" CD player. I haven't seen anyone who owns 'high end ' equipment say that taht the unit they own 'isn't really all that good'. So why make the baseless comment above? I don't think it is baseless. Stewart has many times commented on the superiority of any CD player over his turntable rig which retails for a few thousand dollars plus. Any *well-designed* CD player, certainly - and over Andy Payor's $75,000 Sirius III, too............. And there you have it. Indeed, I'd now include the better 'universal' players in that category, as the latest models seem to have covered all the bases very well - and they show movies, too! :-) I have seen them say they own such devices because 1) they got a good deal on them Yes 2) their system has special requirements Yes (3 ohm speakers) 3) they wanted certain features such as connectibility, DSPs , etc., that the particular brand had, Not in my case, but certainly a valid argument. or 4) they routinely do comparisons in a professional or hobbyist capacity and need to have a variety of units on hand. Yes Note that for any of these, it is quite possible to also maintain that amps, cables, transports etc running within their design spec will likely sound the same, without it being a contradiction. Yes - especially if you have previously compared 'high end' versions in your own system under controlled conditions. Stewarts comments seem pretty clear to me. He keeps some of his stuff in some part for the sake of the argument. Like I said, I don't understand that. Sure you do - that much is obvious from your own posts........... No I don't. Please feel free to cite any quotes that support your assertion though. didn't say it was wrong. Well, you couldn't, now could you? :-) Sure I could. But I think it is a matter of personal choice not a matter of right hoice or wrong choice, even if I don't understand the choice. As for 'committment to arguing' I wonder how one suhc as yourself who gives all the signs of having that very quality, presumes to question it in others. Maybe you should reread what I said. I have no problem with people who are committed to arguing. Clearly so!! Clearly not since I just said so. I don't understand the investment in high end audio products for the sake of argument. Neither do I - and I don't know anyone who's done that. All I said was that a defence against the 'you've never heard decent equipment' argument is *one* reason why I *keep* the stuff which I bought on grounds of sound quality. Note that this fifteen grand's worth of gear is fronted by a six-year old £250 Sony CD player, not even an ES model................. That does not seem to jive with this quote IMO. "To be fair, that is certainly one reason why I have always kept that Krell, the Apogee speakers and the Gyrodec - they fend off the tired old 'you've never heard decent gear' strawman." I have never purchased or owned any piece of equipment for the sake of arguing against it's merits so I am clearly not questioning something in others that I do myself. By the way, I never siad I have a problem with buying and owning equipment for the sake of arguing against it's merits, I simply said I don't understand it. I did say "to each his own." Strawman, as clearly set out above. Not so clear to me. |
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Comments regarding: Cables, Hearing, Stuff!!
(Nousaine) wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote: .....snips..... Accordingly, I postulate that if quick-switch a-b testing without focus (in other words, without knowing *what* we are listening for), the brain gets confused. What would anybody listen-for except those orthogonal sound quality categories? And how would one fail to hear them with a shortened clip? Do they disappear on everything except full-length classicall music? Strawmen marching in a row. Did I say anything about classical music? Did I say anything about classical music? Accept my apologies I did say "classical music." My question should have said "And how would one fail to hear them with a shortened clip? Do they disappear on everything except full-length music programs? |
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