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Johann Spischak wrote: I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. Listen any kind of acoustic record. Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music! Hint: Use recordings of undamped instruments for ultimate frustration. What's the problem? The sound will because can not ring longer than the record contents. If it by one cable shorter is than by the other one, then that cable is guilty, thow it away. Every other things like "tight and deep bass" or "brilliance" comes automatically. Cheers, Johann Spischak |
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"Eeyore" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
Johann Spischak wrote: Get out of this group. You've already made apest of yourself enough in rec.audio.pro. You must have had a difficult childhood. |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote in message
I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. That would be good. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. True, because unlike speaker cables, there is no way that a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the sound of your system. About the only way a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the sound of your system is if the distance between the components is ? 1 meter. Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. This looks like the sort of advice that will unnecessarily cost you money. Listen any kind of acoustic record. If you do this, the sales man will know that he's got a real sucker on his hands. He's looking for clueless individuals, people with far more money than brains, and doing this will clearly identify you to him, as well as the rest of us, as being such a person. Listen to the echoes and the ringing out times of any instrument. How broke does a cable have to be to affect reverb tails? The answer is terribly broken. If you actually have a cable that does this, my diagnosis would be corrosion on some contacts. If you were to have this problem, it is an indication that the last cables you bought were real trash. Good quality cables have essentially an unlimited life span. BTW if corrosion on the contacts is your problem, simply removing and reattaching them might just effect a temporary fix. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music! What's the chance that this Johann Spischak is either an audio sales guy, or someone who is trying to pull the proverbial wool over your eyes? |
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"Arny Krueger" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
"Johann Spischak" wrote in message I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. That would be good. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. True, because unlike speaker cables, there is no way that a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the sound of your system. About the only way a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the sound of your system is if the distance between the components is ? 1 meter. You know exactly, that it is not about the distance, be honest and tell him why do you try to mislead him? Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. This looks like the sort of advice that will unnecessarily cost you money. Listen any kind of acoustic record. If you do this, the sales man will know that he's got a real sucker on his hands. He's looking for clueless individuals, people with far more money than brains, and doing this will clearly identify you to him, as well as the rest of us, as being such a person. No Arny, only if you do it so. Because a normal individual has ears, not necessarily "trained" or "expert" ears. He can hear _differences_ and that counts. _That_ cable will bring _him_ some advantages, let _him_ decide what to do. The sales man can say what he want, he should not know at all, that this customer has a _key_ to find out what the better is. Listen to the echoes and the ringing out times of any instrument. How broke does a cable have to be to affect reverb tails? The answer is terribly broken. If you actually have a cable that does this, my diagnosis would be corrosion on some contacts. If you were to have this problem, it is an indication that the last cables you bought were real trash. Good quality cables have essentially an unlimited life span. BTW if corrosion on the contacts is your problem, simply removing and reattaching them might just effect a temporary fix. You know Arny, if it is still a question for you, then it's too late. If you don't know, that we are living in a world, where the interconnects have gold plated plugs. Sometimes you have to leave your PC alone and come back to visit the real world. With my key tip he can judge the new cables also _without_ his own old by. The tip works in any other doubtful situation, you don't need to shame yourself to try it out, before throwing stones! :-))) Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music! What's the chance that this Johann Spischak is either an audio sales guy, or someone who is trying to pull the proverbial wool over your eyes? Non of them Arnold Krüger and you know it exactly. Only one of us lives his life in front of his PC, it is enough to take a look on your several hundred thousend postings only in the past more then ten years. Hundreds of it daily. You are getting older and in dispite of it, you make the same play year for year trying to make fool the younger generation. You are frustrated for life, because your ABX Comparator not became a hit. I can tell you why: Because already at the beginning (how many years ago? Once upon a time... children, just sleep well) it was so perfect, that Tiefenbrunn the proud Linn founder was not able to say which was conserve and which live music! If you are right, the development should be stopped dekades ago. Fortunately it is not so. :-) Cheers Johann Spischak |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... "Johann Spischak" wrote in message I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. That would be good. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. True, because unlike speaker cables, there is no way that a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the sound of your system. About the only way a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the sound of your system is if the distance between the components is ? 1 meter. You know exactly, that it is not about the distance, be honest and tell him why do you try to mislead him? Looks like the intended less-than sign got lost along the way. Joke! Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. This looks like the sort of advice that will unnecessarily cost you money. Listen any kind of acoustic record. If you do this, the sales man will know that he's got a real sucker on his hands. He's looking for clueless individuals, people with far more money than brains, and doing this will clearly identify you to him, as well as the rest of us, as being such a person. No Arny, only if you do it so. Because a normal individual has ears, not necessarily "trained" or "expert" ears. Your goal seems clear Johann, you're trying to make this about me. I'm not falling for your games-playing. The problem isn't my ears, or trained ears or expert ears. It's about the fact that no ears that have ever graced the sides of a human head can hear any difference of this kind. Now Johann, you may be totally clueless and untrained, but not everybody is that way. He can hear _differences_ and that counts. Obviously Johann you're very naive, or you're trying to be misleading. Obviously, you are obfuscating the difference between perceiving and hearing. Whether that's due to ignorance or malice on your part, I can't tell. Yet. Yeah, the poor guy might perceive differences, but perceiving includes things like expectations. Obviously Johann, you're trying to precondition the poor guy to suspend reasonable disbelief and expect to hear a difference. That's what's true believers and good salesmen do. Which are you? _That_ cable will bring _him_ some advantages, Such as? let _him_ decide what to do. Paranoid much, Johann? How am I, sitting at a keyboard perhaps thousands of miles away keep him from deciding what to do? There's no way, and any reasonable person knows it. It's a given that he's going to decide what to do, no matter what I say, and no matter what you say. What you're trying to do Johann is suppress my ability to express my opinions. You must not be from a country where there's anything like a first-amendment to your constitution. BTW I traced the domain that you claim to be posting from (sdg-master.com) and it is currently unregistered. That makes your post fraudulent. The sales man can say what he want, he should not know at all, that this customer has a _key_ to find out what the better is. Why is it OK for the salesman to say what he wants, and its not OK for me to say what I want, Johann - posting from a fraudulent domain name? Listen to the echoes and the ringing out times of any instrument. How broke does a cable have to be to affect reverb tails? The answer is terribly broken. If you actually have a cable that does this, my diagnosis would be corrosion on some contacts. If you were to have this problem, it is an indication that the last cables you bought were real trash. Good quality cables have essentially an unlimited life span. BTW if corrosion on the contacts is your problem, simply removing and reattaching them might just effect a temporary fix. You know Arny, if it is still a question for you, then it's too late. Yes, it is too late in the sense that my suspension of disbelief in many audio myths is pretty well shot. If you don't know, that we are living in a world, where the interconnects have gold plated plugs. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. For the record, it is well-known among pros that gold-plating on RCA connectors is actually a pretty bad idea, as frequently implemented. Sometimes you have to leave your PC alone and come back to visit the real world. Johann, what real world might that be, your crazy fraudulent domain world where all interconnects have consumer-eyewash gold plating? Johann, you obviously don't know who are talking down your nose at. With my key tip he can judge the new cables also _without_ his own old by. The tip works in any other doubtful situation, you don't need to shame yourself to try it out, before throwing stones! :-))) Johann, you sit there throwing stones at me, and somehow you want people to believe that you sincerely think that throwing stones is a bad thing? What sort of hypocrite are you, anyhow? Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music! What's the chance that this Johann Spischak is either an audio sales guy, or someone who is trying to pull the proverbial wool over your eyes? Non of them Arnold Krüger and you know it exactly. Sorry Johann, but my omniscience module is broken. So, I don't know whether you are an audio sales guy, a poor mislead and misleading but poorly-informed lost soul, or whether you are just trying to pull the wool over people's eyes to get your rocks off. Only one of us lives his life in front of his PC, Johann, I surely don't live my life in front of my PC. For example one of my away-from-the PC activities is being a professional recordist of band and choral festivals. I record literally 100s of musical groups every year. it is enough to take a look on your several hundred thousand postings only in the past more then ten years. Jealous? Trust me Johann, if you were literate enough, you do could duplicate my posting history. Hundreds of it daily. Now that's a lie. In fact I average a few dozen posts a day. You are getting older and in despite of it, you make the same play year for year trying to make fool the younger generation. How am I making people look like fools when I reveal so many well-known truths about audio. I guess you haven't noticed that I'm not the only person on this thread who is debunking your misapprehensions about cables. You are frustrated for life, because your ABX Comparator not became a hit. That's a laugh. ABX remains the single most popular topic on the audio groups of Usenet. There are HTML newsgroups that have adopted it as their standard for comparison. Tens of thousands of ABX comparators have been downloaded and used. I can tell you why: Because already at the beginning (how many years ago? Once upon a time... children, just sleep well) it was so perfect, that Tiefenbrunn the proud Linn founder was not able to say which was conserve and which live music! If you are right, the development should be stopped dekades ago. Fortunately it is not so. :-) Could you have a native speaker of English decode that last paragraph? |
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"Johann Spischak" wrote ...
Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music! I think we have identifed the real troll here. |
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Johann Spischak wrote: "Eeyore" schrieb Johann Spischak wrote: Get out of this group. You've already made apest of yourself enough in rec.audio.pro. You must have had a difficult childhood. Go to hell. You are unwelcome here. |
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Johann Spischak wrote: schrieb Johann Spischak wrote: I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. Listen any kind of acoustic record. Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music! Hint: Use recordings of undamped instruments for ultimate frustration. What's the problem? The sound will because can not ring longer than the record contents. If it by one cable shorter is than by the other one, then that cable is guilty, thow it away. Every other things like "tight and deep bass" or "brilliance" comes automatically. IDIOT ! |
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Arny Krueger wrote: The "no-brainer" method for choosing speaker cables is to just get 12 gauge speaker cables. Fancy that. It's 4mm2 ! http://www.clearly-av.co.uk/awg.html Graham |
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Johann Spischak wrote:
"Mal Thomas" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Gareth, Look if you feel you are wasting your time then simply shut up or put me in your kill-file. BTW I haven't decided to buy anything. Yes, I was considering upgrading my cables to something that I felt was a reasonable price. I even had narrowed it down to a couple of brands that I was looking at. But since reading all this, (rather than salesmen's hype and various reviews, manufacturers websites etc), I will probably end up saving a bit of money. I might be naïve, misinformed (on this subject) but I'm not stupid. Cheers Mal Oz I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. Listen any kind of acoustic record. Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music! Happy weekend! Johann Spischak Your 'very simple tip' does not translate well into English. Further, your news agent does not truncate lines properly. Either learn to write more clearly or stick to your native language (advice I've gotten many times from native German speakers). I understand--with difficulty--what you are trying to say, but likely the OP will not. That said, I agree (somebody shoot me for saying this) with Arny. It would take some pretty shoddy cable to have any detrimental effect such as you describe. A ordinary piece of 14 gauge (2 sq mm--USD 0.5/ft, or roughly a buck and a half) lamp cord, one meter long, should be indistinguishable from the most expensive snake-oil speaker cable. If there *was* an audible difference, I'd be much more suspicious of the expensive cable than of the hunk of lamp cord. jak |
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"Eeyore" wrote in
message Arny Krueger wrote: The "no-brainer" method for choosing speaker cables is to just get 12 gauge speaker cables. Fancy that. It's 4mm2 ! http://www.clearly-av.co.uk/awg.html Or if you will: http://www.pcavtech.com/techtalk/wire_size/index.htm |
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