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192kbps MP3s on a big sound system?
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing
on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? TIA. |
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Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. |
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Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. |
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Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. |
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Jase wrote:
Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. |
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"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
... Jase wrote: Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer Are you talking about speakers or other equipment? then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? |
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"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
... Jase wrote: Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer Are you talking about speakers or other equipment? then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? |
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"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
... Jase wrote: Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer Are you talking about speakers or other equipment? then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? |
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"Tim S Kemp" wrote in message
... Jase wrote: Are 192kbps MP3s of a high enough quality that they can stand up to playing on a monster club sound system? I've heard recommendations of a higher bitrate but would 192 suffice? hmmm... if Club is running Bose/JBL/Peavey then maybe, if it's running Opus / EAW / Turbosound / Meyer Are you talking about speakers or other equipment? then you'll be able to tell the difference bitween 192 and 320 or uncompressed. YMMV. How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? |
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"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message ... In article , says... How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? Both. ------------ Alex You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. |
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"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message ... In article , says... How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? Both. ------------ Alex You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. |
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"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message ... In article , says... How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? Both. ------------ Alex You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. |
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"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message ... In article , says... How exactly will you tell the difference? Will it just be poor quality or will there be any unwanted "effects"? Both. ------------ Alex You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. |
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citronzx wrote:
You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. |
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citronzx wrote:
You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. |
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citronzx wrote:
You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. |
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citronzx wrote:
You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. |
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192kbps MP3s on a big sound system?
"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message ... citronzx wrote: You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. |
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"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message ... citronzx wrote: You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. |
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"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message ... citronzx wrote: You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. |
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"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message ... citronzx wrote: You all must go to pretty fancy clubs where everyone is quiet and the music is played softly enough that you can even understand what the singer is singing. The acoustics in most clubs combined with the ambient noise makes for such a poor listening experience to begin with that I doubt anyone would notice the difference between an MP3 and a CD. You might notice a loss of bass with some tracks though. Excuse my ignorance but how are you going to lose bass with any bitrate of mp3? Last time I made some mp3s I used LAME and tried various bitrates until SWMBO said it was ok. We settled on variable bitrate with a minimum of 128kbps. -- Roger. To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. |
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citronzx wrote:
To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. I've never heard actual loss of bass with the LAME encoder, but I have heard a substantial loss of bass definition. Stuff goes from being clean and well defined to being flabby and centered on one note. But then again, on a club system you probably can't tell. And forget about bass imaging. But then, few playback systems have any real bass imaging anyway, let alone club rigs. I think what you'll notice first is weirdness on the top end, but it might be just fine for dance stuff. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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citronzx wrote:
To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. I've never heard actual loss of bass with the LAME encoder, but I have heard a substantial loss of bass definition. Stuff goes from being clean and well defined to being flabby and centered on one note. But then again, on a club system you probably can't tell. And forget about bass imaging. But then, few playback systems have any real bass imaging anyway, let alone club rigs. I think what you'll notice first is weirdness on the top end, but it might be just fine for dance stuff. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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citronzx wrote:
To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. I've never heard actual loss of bass with the LAME encoder, but I have heard a substantial loss of bass definition. Stuff goes from being clean and well defined to being flabby and centered on one note. But then again, on a club system you probably can't tell. And forget about bass imaging. But then, few playback systems have any real bass imaging anyway, let alone club rigs. I think what you'll notice first is weirdness on the top end, but it might be just fine for dance stuff. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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citronzx wrote:
To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. I've never heard actual loss of bass with the LAME encoder, but I have heard a substantial loss of bass definition. Stuff goes from being clean and well defined to being flabby and centered on one note. But then again, on a club system you probably can't tell. And forget about bass imaging. But then, few playback systems have any real bass imaging anyway, let alone club rigs. I think what you'll notice first is weirdness on the top end, but it might be just fine for dance stuff. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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me wrote:
On 10 Feb 2004 19:02:08 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: citronzx wrote: To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. I've never heard actual loss of bass with the LAME encoder, but I have heard a substantial loss of bass definition. Stuff goes from being clean and well defined to being flabby and centered on one note. But then again, on a club system you probably can't tell. And forget about bass imaging. But then, few playback systems have any real bass imaging anyway, let alone club rigs. I think what you'll notice first is weirdness on the top end, but it might be just fine for dance stuff. --scott I'm interested in this weirdness in the top end aspect of MP3s, because I was tasked with replacing some museum systems (originally minidisc) with CF card MP3 players. The thing is that these systems used left for mono sound and right for 20KHz tones to sequence the lights. Even the highest quality LAME VBR completely failed to work the lights wheras 256k fixed rate LAME worked just fine. How much information is lost in the squishing ? M It depends on the bitrate. 320k MP3 seems to be generally accepted as CD quality, 128K is about the equivalent of FM radio. I record FM broadcasts and make them into 192 MP3s simply because I think the lower bitrates take too much life out of the music. I don't even bother with 320K, I just keep my files in WAV or AIFF in that case. Takes up lots of space, I know, but CD-Rs are cheap CD |
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me wrote:
On 10 Feb 2004 19:02:08 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: citronzx wrote: To tell you the truth I don't know enough about the compression algorithm to say why. My evidence only anecdotal. If I rip a cd and compare the mp3 ripped version to the original off the cd both played from my computer there seems to be a reduction in bass in the mp3 version. Now, I am very willing to admit that this my just be a psychological effect but that is way that it seems to sound to me. I've never heard actual loss of bass with the LAME encoder, but I have heard a substantial loss of bass definition. Stuff goes from being clean and well defined to being flabby and centered on one note. But then again, on a club system you probably can't tell. And forget about bass imaging. But then, few playback systems have any real bass imaging anyway, let alone club rigs. I think what you'll notice first is weirdness on the top end, but it might be just fine for dance stuff. --scott I'm interested in this weirdness in the top end aspect of MP3s, because I was tasked with replacing some museum systems (originally minidisc) with CF card MP3 players. The thing is that these systems used left for mono sound and right for 20KHz tones to sequence the lights. Even the highest quality LAME VBR completely failed to work the lights wheras 256k fixed rate LAME worked just fine. How much information is lost in the squishing ? M It depends on the bitrate. 320k MP3 seems to be generally accepted as CD quality, 128K is about the equivalent of FM radio. I record FM broadcasts and make them into 192 MP3s simply because I think the lower bitrates take too much life out of the music. I don't even bother with 320K, I just keep my files in WAV or AIFF in that case. Takes up lots of space, I know, but CD-Rs are cheap CD |
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