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Wireless speakers - loss of sound quality?
I have a living room that's decorated 18th century. Well all except for the component sound system, and 3 foot speakers ;^) The sound system is giving out and it's time to buy a new one. My first thought was to buy a small unit and hide it in a cabinet. Something like the Cambridge 740 or the Bose Wave radio. But then I saw that one can buy transmitters/receivers that take the speaker signal and transmit to speakers in another room. It woud be much easier for me to hide speakers than a whole system. But my question is: Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. thanks -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:41:57 -0500, gregg wrote:
I have a living room that's decorated 18th century. Well all except for the component sound system, and 3 foot speakers ;^) The sound system is giving out and it's time to buy a new one. My first thought was to buy a small unit and hide it in a cabinet. Something like the Cambridge 740 or the Bose Wave radio. But then I saw that one can buy transmitters/receivers that take the speaker signal and transmit to speakers in another room. It woud be much easier for me to hide speakers than a whole system. But my question is: Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. Couldn't you get another wife? (I take it it isn't YOU who cares a jot about room decoration in 19th century style :-) |
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gregg wrote: I have a living room that's decorated 18th century. Well all except for the component sound system, and 3 foot speakers ;^) The sound system is giving out and it's time to buy a new one. My first thought was to buy a small unit and hide it in a cabinet. Something like the Cambridge 740 or the Bose Wave radio. But then I saw that one can buy transmitters/receivers that take the speaker signal and transmit to speakers in another room. It woud be much easier for me to hide speakers than a whole system. But my question is: Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. thanks You lose a speaker wire and gain a wall wart. Wires are still a necessary evil. -- Cyrus *coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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gregg wrote: I have a living room that's decorated 18th century. Well all except for the component sound system, and 3 foot speakers ;^) The sound system is giving out and it's time to buy a new one. My first thought was to buy a small unit and hide it in a cabinet. Something like the Cambridge 740 or the Bose Wave radio. But then I saw that one can buy transmitters/receivers that take the speaker signal and transmit to speakers in another room. It woud be much easier for me to hide speakers than a whole system. But my question is: Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. thanks They vary greatly. I tried an RCA wireless speaker set and the sound resembled a badly damaged cassette tape recording of a distant shortwave transmitter. I have a Wavecom RF-Link that sounds very good but it picks up microwave oven interference. Some newer systems even use Bluetooth. |
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gregg wrote:
I have a living room that's decorated 18th century. Well all except for the component sound system, and 3 foot speakers ;^) The sound system is giving out and it's time to buy a new one. My first thought was to buy a small unit and hide it in a cabinet. Something like the Cambridge 740 or the Bose Wave radio. But then I saw that one can buy transmitters/receivers that take the speaker signal and transmit to speakers in another room. It woud be much easier for me to hide speakers than a whole system. But my question is: Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. thanks He's worried about losing sound quality with wireless I don't think it's an issue for anyone considering Bose and Cambridge, you have to have sound quality to lose it. |
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He's worried about losing sound quality with wireless I don't think it's an issue for anyone considering Bose and Cambridge, you have to have sound quality to lose it. I probably wasn't clear enough: I was considering Bose or Cambridge to get a small, easily hidden, system in the LR. However I saw these wireless systems you can put between your sound systems and your speakers. *IF* the sounds quality isn't seriously degraded by the wireless transmission system, THEN I could stick with a big, much higher quality component system and just put it in another room. And then just have the speakers in the LR. That reduces the "hiding" problem quite a bit. Clearer? So I ask again: Do the wireless transmission systems that youc an place between your sound system and speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? thanks -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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gregg wrote:
snip So I ask again: Do the wireless transmission systems that youc an place between your sound system and speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? thanks I don't see this working at all. You might put this sort of kit between a source (CD, Cass) but it could not transmit the required power to the speakers, unless they are powered speakers. You can get small VGQ powered boxes, but not cheap. See Genelec http://www.genelecusa.com/products/1030a/1030a.php as an example. |
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gregg wrote:
Clearer? postit writes: Crystal, all apologies. But really Bose, Cambridge, yuk. As for wireless I am clueless except to say at concerts most musicians these days are wireless, so I am thinking there has to be some kind of system that wouldn't degrade sound too much. But those are weak signals not speaker level so as other posts have said you'd probably need powered speakers meaning you'd need ac wires to the speakers anyway. If you have two sconces you can do away with you could put the speakers there. If you can get away with putting the speakers on or near the floor with stands then why not maybe go through the basement? I have seen several installation done this way and you literally don't see the wires and the holes if done properly can easily be filled and are barely noticeable if you ever move the system. Best wishes for a positive solution. postit wrote: He's worried about losing sound quality with wireless I don't think it's an issue for anyone considering Bose and Cambridge, you have to have sound quality to lose it. I probably wasn't clear enough: I was considering Bose or Cambridge to get a small, easily hidden, system in the LR. However I saw these wireless systems you can put between your sound systems and your speakers. *IF* the sounds quality isn't seriously degraded by the wireless transmission system, THEN I could stick with a big, much higher quality component system and just put it in another room. And then just have the speakers in the LR. That reduces the "hiding" problem quite a bit. Clearer? So I ask again: Do the wireless transmission systems that youc an place between your sound system and speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? thanks |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:21:12 -0500, gregg wrote:
snip Do the wireless transmission systems that youc an place between your sound system and speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? Yes, they do degrade the sound. Just how much will depend on the system and on your speakers. You will need an amp local to the speakers as the RF systems can't work at speaker levels! All RF system have a limited bandwidth - that's where the main problem lies. Otherwise they are similar to FM radio reception. If your speakers sound poor on FM radio then they will probably sound slightly worse using the RF link (the equipment isn't up to commercial broadcast standards). It all depends on the compromises that you are willing to accept! Try a pair of FM wireless headphones as a test of the sort of quality you can expect - the speakers will almost certainly sound better than them! -- Mick (no M$ software on here... :-) ) Web: http://www.nascom.info Web: http://projectedsound.tk |
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Andrew Chesters wrote:
gregg wrote: snip So I ask again: Do the wireless transmission systems that youc an place between your sound system and speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? thanks I don't see this working at all. You might put this sort of kit between a source (CD, Cass) but it could not transmit the required power to the speakers, unless they are powered speakers. You can get small VGQ powered boxes, but not cheap. See Genelec http://www.genelecusa.com/products/1030a/1030a.php as an example. I intend to use powered speakers. I'm only talking about the signal carrying the "sound". Do the wireless transmission systems that you can place between your hi quality sound system and (powered) speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? thanks -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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postit wrote:
gregg wrote: Clearer? postit writes: Crystal, all apologies. No problem. I wasn't precise enough and detailed enough in my query. But really Bose, Cambridge, yuk. As for wireless I am clueless except to say at concerts most musicians these days are wireless, so I am thinking there has to be some kind of system that wouldn't degrade sound too much. But those are weak signals not speaker level so as other posts have said you'd probably need powered speakers meaning you'd need ac wires to the speakers anyway. If you have two sconces you can do away with you could put the speakers there. If you can get away with putting the speakers on or near the floor with stands then why not maybe go through the basement? Not possible. I thought of that one. I have seen several installation done this way and you literally don't see the wires and the holes if done properly can easily be filled and are barely noticeable if you ever move the system. Best wishes for a positive solution. Thanks very much! postit wrote: He's worried about losing sound quality with wireless I don't think it's an issue for anyone considering Bose and Cambridge, you have to have sound quality to lose it. I probably wasn't clear enough: I was considering Bose or Cambridge to get a small, easily hidden, system in the LR. However I saw these wireless systems you can put between your sound systems and your speakers. *IF* the sounds quality isn't seriously degraded by the wireless transmission system, THEN I could stick with a big, much higher quality component system and just put it in another room. And then just have the speakers in the LR. That reduces the "hiding" problem quite a bit. Clearer? So I ask again: Do the wireless transmission systems that youc an place between your sound system and speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? thanks -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:07:00 +0000, Laurence Payne
wrote: Couldn't you get another wife? (I take it it isn't YOU who cares a jot about room decoration in 19th century style :-) Why do you say that? It is none of your business, and a really childish remark, if you ask me. If you think grown-up males seeks females based on such grounds, think again! Jeez. Per. |
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"gregg" wrote ...
I was considering Bose or Cambridge to get a small, easily hidden, system in the LR. However I saw these wireless systems you can put between your sound systems and your speakers. If you are just looking for "background" type music, there are several options (wall speakers, etc) that can be quite satisfying without having garish 20th century speaker boxes in the middle of your period decor. But if you are looking for a "sit-down and listen" kind of system for serious listening, I can't think of any wireless system of reasonable price that is really suitable. *IF* the sounds quality isn't seriously degraded by the wireless transmission system, THEN I could stick with a big, much higher quality component system and just put it in another room. And then just have the speakers in the LR. That reduces the "hiding" problem quite a bit. Clearer? Not clear how you can do such truly impressive work with boatbuilding and steam-bending and furniture making, but can't just hide the speaker wires? So I ask again: Do the wireless transmission systems that youc an place between your sound system and speakers seriously degrade the quality of the sound? You'd spend far more on finding and engineering quality wireless links and buying powered speakers than it would cost to do major surgery to walls, floors, etc to hide the speaker wires. At least that has been my experience in the real world. Wireless transmission systems sold for home use are of very modest quality at best (mostly for "background music"). Wireless transmission systems that have no quality loss will cost several times more than the rest of your system combined. If you are really concerned about visible impact, particularly in a "period" room, there are systems available that put the tweeters and midrange into nearly-invisible wall units and a common sub-woofer into a floor unit with a grille like a heating/AC vent. I believe I saw them in the catalog from www.partsexpress.com Not sure that they are suitable for a really serious music-listening setup, though. |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
"gregg" wrote ... I was considering Bose or Cambridge to get a small, easily hidden, system in the LR. However I saw these wireless systems you can put between your sound systems and your speakers. If you are just looking for "background" type music, there are several options (wall speakers, etc) that can be quite satisfying without having garish 20th century speaker boxes in the middle of your period decor. But if you are looking for a "sit-down and listen" kind of system for serious listening, I can't think of any wireless system of reasonable price that is really suitable. Ah thanks. That's the sort of info I was looking for. *IF* the sounds quality isn't seriously degraded by the wireless transmission system, THEN I could stick with a big, much higher quality component system and just put it in another room. And then just have the speakers in the LR. That reduces the "hiding" problem quite a bit. Clearer? Not clear how you can do such truly impressive work with boatbuilding and steam-bending and furniture making, but can't just hide the speaker wires? ;^) thanks. But it's not a matter of skills but more like no basement to run the wires; old house walls that preclude same; and no desire to spend my time on figuring out a way. Wireless transmission systems sold for home use are of very modest quality at best (mostly for "background music"). Wireless transmission systems that have no quality loss will cost several times more than the rest of your system combined. Ah very good. thanks..This is the sort of general info I was interested in. If you are really concerned about visible impact, particularly in a "period" room, there are systems available that put the tweeters and midrange into nearly-invisible wall units and a common sub-woofer into a floor unit with a grille like a heating/AC vent. I believe I saw them in the catalog from www.partsexpress.com Not sure that they are suitable for a really serious music-listening setup, though. I'll check it out. Thanks! -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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In , on 01/14/05
at 04:41 PM, gregg said: I have a living room that's decorated 18th century. Well all except for the component sound system, and 3 foot speakers ;^) The sound system is giving out and it's time to buy a new one. My first thought was to buy a small unit and hide it in a cabinet. Something like the Cambridge 740 or the Bose Wave radio. But then I saw that one can buy transmitters/receivers that take the speaker signal and transmit to speakers in another room. It woud be much easier for me to hide speakers than a whole system. But my question is: Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. Wireless does not have to damage the sound, but current implementations do. Mostly, it's a price issue. One must have a transmitter, a receiver and amplifier for each speaker, plus the speakers. Most current wireless systems are in the two to three hundred dollar range. This price level of speaker, without the additional wireless components and amplifiers, is not usually considered "quality" by those who prefer component systems. Wireless speakers should be priced appropriately than a similarly performing wired speaker. Priced properly, wireless could be a fine option. Wireless doesn't eliminate all the wires, however, because you'll still need wires to carry power to the speakers. Battery powered speakers are certainly possible, but the operating costs will be high both monetarily and in management time (someone will have to replace or recharge batteries regularly -- probably daily). We are beginning to see equipment that uses ethernet technology (wired and wireless) to distribute audio. This technology will eliminate some of the wires with very little loss of quality -- and many will argue that there is no practical loss of quality. Hiding wires is not always so difficult. If the room has an unfinished basement or crawl space below, running wires is usually not much of a problem. Hollow trim can be added or existing trim can be hollowed to accept wires. A professional consultation may be a great help. If you've recently done some renovation, the project trades people (general contractor, electrician, air-conditioning, plumber, etc.) will have valuable insight about were to run wires. Unless you have a need to create an equipment display, the actual equipment can be hidden in a cabinet, closet, or moved to a different floor. Only the speakers must be in the room. With a little imagination, speakers can be made to disappear. We sometimes work with designers, and they can be a pain because they are very visual and have no respect for physical reality. I can remember one job where a very fussy designer jumped all over us claiming that we were holding up the job because we hadn't installed the speakers. I simply pointed out that we had installed them several days prior. This was a former 1920's firehouse, much of the original styling was intact, and we made four 36x12x18 inch speakers disappear in the livingroom to the point where the designer didn't notice them -- and he knew in advance where we were placing them. Actually, we didn't go to any special trouble to hide them (they were unobstructed and in plain sight), we simply took advantage of shadows, light, and color -- the speakers became part of the room. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:57:05 +0100, Per Stromgren
wrote: Couldn't you get another wife? (I take it it isn't YOU who cares a jot about room decoration in 19th century style :-) Why do you say that? It is none of your business, and a really childish remark, if you ask me. If you think grown-up males seeks females based on such grounds, think again! Actually, considering the taste in decoration, we're probably looking at a same-sex partner here. (PS, that was a joke. Just like the first one. Duh!) |
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"Laurence Payne" wrote ...
(PS, that was a joke. Just like the first one. Duh!) You're poking at a hornets nest. The OP doesn't appear to have much of a sense of humor. |
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Barry, Fantastic info. thanks for your time Gregg Barry Mann wrote: In , on 01/14/05 at 04:41 PM, gregg said: I have a living room that's decorated 18th century. Well all except for the component sound system, and 3 foot speakers ;^) The sound system is giving out and it's time to buy a new one. My first thought was to buy a small unit and hide it in a cabinet. Something like the Cambridge 740 or the Bose Wave radio. But then I saw that one can buy transmitters/receivers that take the speaker signal and transmit to speakers in another room. It woud be much easier for me to hide speakers than a whole system. But my question is: Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. Wireless does not have to damage the sound, but current implementations do. Mostly, it's a price issue. One must have a transmitter, a receiver and amplifier for each speaker, plus the speakers. Most current wireless systems are in the two to three hundred dollar range. This price level of speaker, without the additional wireless components and amplifiers, is not usually considered "quality" by those who prefer component systems. Wireless speakers should be priced appropriately than a similarly performing wired speaker. Priced properly, wireless could be a fine option. Wireless doesn't eliminate all the wires, however, because you'll still need wires to carry power to the speakers. Battery powered speakers are certainly possible, but the operating costs will be high both monetarily and in management time (someone will have to replace or recharge batteries regularly -- probably daily). We are beginning to see equipment that uses ethernet technology (wired and wireless) to distribute audio. This technology will eliminate some of the wires with very little loss of quality -- and many will argue that there is no practical loss of quality. Hiding wires is not always so difficult. If the room has an unfinished basement or crawl space below, running wires is usually not much of a problem. Hollow trim can be added or existing trim can be hollowed to accept wires. A professional consultation may be a great help. If you've recently done some renovation, the project trades people (general contractor, electrician, air-conditioning, plumber, etc.) will have valuable insight about were to run wires. Unless you have a need to create an equipment display, the actual equipment can be hidden in a cabinet, closet, or moved to a different floor. Only the speakers must be in the room. With a little imagination, speakers can be made to disappear. We sometimes work with designers, and they can be a pain because they are very visual and have no respect for physical reality. I can remember one job where a very fussy designer jumped all over us claiming that we were holding up the job because we hadn't installed the speakers. I simply pointed out that we had installed them several days prior. This was a former 1920's firehouse, much of the original styling was intact, and we made four 36x12x18 inch speakers disappear in the livingroom to the point where the designer didn't notice them -- and he knew in advance where we were placing them. Actually, we didn't go to any special trouble to hide them (they were unobstructed and in plain sight), we simply took advantage of shadows, light, and color -- the speakers became part of the room. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:57:05 +0100, Per Stromgren wrote: Couldn't you get another wife? (I take it it isn't YOU who cares a jot about room decoration in 19th century style :-) Why do you say that? It is none of your business, and a really childish remark, if you ask me. If you think grown-up males seeks females based on such grounds, think again! Actually, considering the taste in decoration, we're probably looking at a same-sex partner here. (PS, that was a joke. Just like the first one. Duh!) OT: Heh. Actually it's a no-partner situation. I live alone. Divorced years ago. No kids left at home. I have a girlfriend but, at this point, I do what I like as far as setting up my house. I live in a very historical town - mainly 18th century. Marblehead, Ma. It figures highly in the Revolutionary War, etc. I used to belong to Rev War re-enactment groups. Town was also known for it's fishing and sea-based mercantile history. I happen to be very historically minded - as you will see if you look at the sailboat restoration page below. so that's all there is to that ;^) -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:41:57 -0500, gregg wrote:
snip Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. Can I offer an alternative idea? Decent speaker cable is relatively thick and can be quite difficult to hide. If you use 100v line transformers at both ends of each speaker lead, so that the signal is high voltage, low current, then you can use much thinner cable which you may be able to hide more easily. The sound quality could well be better than an RF system and much cheaper to implement. -- Mick (no M$ software on here... :-) ) Web: http://www.nascom.info Web: http://projectedsound.tk |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:17:38 -0500, gregg wrote:
snip I happen to be very historically minded - as you will see if you look at the sailboat restoration page below. Nice web pages, Gregg. Thanks! -- Mick (no M$ software on here... :-) ) Web: http://www.nascom.info Web: http://projectedsound.tk |
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mick wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:41:57 -0500, gregg wrote: snip Do these wireless systems degrade the sound quality a lot? I'm not an audiophile and I don't need a primo system. But it would be nice if the sound was decent. Can I offer an alternative idea? Decent speaker cable is relatively thick and can be quite difficult to hide. If you use 100v line transformers at both ends of each speaker lead, so that the signal is high voltage, low current, then you can use much thinner cable which you may be able to hide more easily. The sound quality could well be better than an RF system and much cheaper to implement. Very interesting idea, Mick. Many thanks. Gregg -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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"mick" wrote ...
Can I offer an alternative idea? Decent speaker cable is relatively thick and can be quite difficult to hide. If you use 100v line transformers at both ends of each speaker lead, so that the signal is high voltage, low current, then you can use much thinner cable which you may be able to hide more easily. The sound quality could well be better than an RF system and much cheaper to implement. Alas, those 25v, 70v, and 100v audio distribution transformers are not noted for their high-fidelity. They usually suffer from frequency-response as well as distortion deficiencies. They are made for PA systems (mostly voice and "elevator music"), not for high-quality music reproduction systems. Also, remember that any voltage 48v here in the US (including high-voltage audio distribution systems) are required to be treated as mains/power (heavy insulation, rigid or flex conduit, etc.) in most jurisdictions. Any line-level wiring it would take to run the signal to powered speakers would be smaller than the power cable it would take to run them. Note that there is flat ribbon cable made for running under wallpaper, carpet, etc that is about the thickness of a few sheets of paper. http://www.ampnetconnect.com/product....asp?comID=101 An electrician, particularly one who works in a historic district, is almost certainly equipped with the tools and methods for running wires invisibly through even historically-protected properties. |
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One of the easiest methods I've found of hiding wires in an old house is
to pull the top cap off your baseboard, cut a small dado in the backside of it (a bladewidth or two), and fit the wire in the groove. Nail it back up (the nail holes are already there) and you're done. I've used it in our 'teens craftsman-styled place. It doesn't require running line through walls, and hides the stuff perfectly. |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
An electrician, particularly one who works in a historic district, is almost certainly equipped with the tools and methods for running wires invisibly through even historically-protected properties. $$$ -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
An electrician, particularly one who works in a historic district, is almost certainly equipped with the tools and methods for running wires invisibly through even historically-protected properties. "gregg" wrote ... $$$ vs. cost of equivalent quality wireless: $$$$$ |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
Richard Crowley wrote: An electrician, particularly one who works in a historic district, is almost certainly equipped with the tools and methods for running wires invisibly through even historically-protected properties. "gregg" wrote ... $$$ vs. cost of equivalent quality wireless: $$$$$ Evidently so, judging from the good responses I've gotten including yours. thanks -- Saville Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm Steambending FAQ with photos: http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm |
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