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I recently had a Dynaudio System 240 MKII installed into my 2002 Volkswagen
GTi. The tweets are in the factory locations (sail panels mounted in the
A-pillars) as are the mid-bass speakers (the lower door). I've tried playing
with the EQ in my Eclipse CD8443 headunit, but I can't seem to remove a
"ringing brightness" from the tweeters on certain albums. Most of Joe Satrini's
albums sound good, as did the various Jazz albums I tested. But testing with
Joe Satriani's "Engines of Creation" as well as several albums by the Stone
Temple Pilots, No Doubt, and The Smashing Pumpkins, the system exhibits a
brightness and ringing that're very annoying and detracting. Does anyone have
any reccomendations on how to fix this problem? These speakers should be far
more neutral.
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Z. Gluhak
 
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Same car here but I use the 240 GT dyns. Try putting yout tweets on
the -2db setting of the passive xovers that come with the speakers. That
fixed it for me.

-Z


"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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I recently had a Dynaudio System 240 MKII installed into my 2002

Volkswagen
GTi. The tweets are in the factory locations (sail panels mounted in the
A-pillars) as are the mid-bass speakers (the lower door). I've tried

playing
with the EQ in my Eclipse CD8443 headunit, but I can't seem to remove a
"ringing brightness" from the tweeters on certain albums. Most of Joe

Satrini's
albums sound good, as did the various Jazz albums I tested. But testing

with
Joe Satriani's "Engines of Creation" as well as several albums by the

Stone
Temple Pilots, No Doubt, and The Smashing Pumpkins, the system exhibits a
brightness and ringing that're very annoying and detracting. Does anyone

have
any reccomendations on how to fix this problem? These speakers should be

far
more neutral.



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Hey wait...haven't I suggested biamping to you before?

Or even better, weren't you considering an in-dash EQ for a while?

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"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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I recently had a Dynaudio System 240 MKII installed into my 2002

Volkswagen
GTi. The tweets are in the factory locations (sail panels mounted in the
A-pillars) as are the mid-bass speakers (the lower door). I've tried

playing
with the EQ in my Eclipse CD8443 headunit, but I can't seem to remove a
"ringing brightness" from the tweeters on certain albums. Most of Joe

Satrini's
albums sound good, as did the various Jazz albums I tested. But testing

with
Joe Satriani's "Engines of Creation" as well as several albums by the

Stone
Temple Pilots, No Doubt, and The Smashing Pumpkins, the system exhibits a
brightness and ringing that're very annoying and detracting. Does anyone

have
any reccomendations on how to fix this problem? These speakers should be

far
more neutral.



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You might also (finally) be hearing the music the way it sounds. When you
get a set of speakers as revealing as the Dyns, you'll start to appreciate
your good, well recorded and well mastered CD's. The ones that were crappy
or at least borderline will now make your ears bleed.

dave


"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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I recently had a Dynaudio System 240 MKII installed into my 2002

Volkswagen
GTi. The tweets are in the factory locations (sail panels mounted in the
A-pillars) as are the mid-bass speakers (the lower door). I've tried

playing
with the EQ in my Eclipse CD8443 headunit, but I can't seem to remove a
"ringing brightness" from the tweeters on certain albums. Most of Joe

Satrini's
albums sound good, as did the various Jazz albums I tested. But testing

with
Joe Satriani's "Engines of Creation" as well as several albums by the

Stone
Temple Pilots, No Doubt, and The Smashing Pumpkins, the system exhibits a
brightness and ringing that're very annoying and detracting. Does anyone

have
any reccomendations on how to fix this problem? These speakers should be

far
more neutral.



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Same car here but I use the 240 GT dyns. Try putting yout tweets on
the -2db setting of the passive xovers that come with the speakers. That
fixed it for me.


Already did it. It helped, but did not totally rectify the problem.


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Hey wait...haven't I suggested biamping to you before?

LOL. You may have, I honestly don't remember. I may eventually move the Zapco
I've got down to just the mids and buy a 2nd amp for the tweets for bi-amping.
At the moment, I'm kinda out of money. Remind me again what benefits will come
of bi-amping?

Or even better, weren't you considering an in-dash EQ for a while?


I've thought about it. But no one has ever been able to clarify for me what an
outboard unit will do that my deck will not. The Eclipse I'm using has full EQ
defeat, so if I found a good enough reason to do so, I could defeat the deck's
EQ and let an outboard do the work.
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Hey wait...haven't I suggested biamping to you before?

LOL. You may have, I honestly don't remember. I may eventually move the

Zapco
I've got down to just the mids and buy a 2nd amp for the tweets for

bi-amping.
At the moment, I'm kinda out of money. Remind me again what benefits will

come
of bi-amping?


Level control and crossover control. Both could help you adjust things to
your taste.


Or even better, weren't you considering an in-dash EQ for a while?


I've thought about it. But no one has ever been able to clarify for me

what an
outboard unit will do that my deck will not. The Eclipse I'm using has

full EQ
defeat, so if I found a good enough reason to do so, I could defeat the

deck's
EQ and let an outboard do the work.


An in-dash EQ can give you 10 bands of adjustment.


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An in-dash EQ can give you 10 bands of adjustment.


What kind? In "Simple" mode, my CD8443 has a 13 band graphic EQ with a 1 band
parametric and 2-way crossover adjustment. In "Pro" mode, I get a 5 band
parametric EQ with 3 way crossover adjustment. Also, is there a specific
outboard EQ you would unanimously reccomend?
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Dave wrote:
You might also (finally) be hearing the music the way it sounds. When you
get a set of speakers as revealing as the Dyns, you'll start to appreciate
your good, well recorded and well mastered CD's. The ones that were crappy
or at least borderline will now make your ears bleed.


Which is 90% of the CDs on the market. I love those Mapleshade/Wildchild
cd's for their clarity, I just wish the music wasn't so lame all the time.

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Which is 90% of the CDs on the market. I love those Mapleshade/Wildchild
cd's for their clarity, I just wish the music wasn't so lame all the time.


yeah ain't that the truth. the cranberries my wife likes make me want to
vomit on my dnys. It's like slow death with screaming tortured cats.




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"Dave" wrote in message
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You might also (finally) be hearing the music the way it sounds. When you
get a set of speakers as revealing as the Dyns, you'll start to appreciate
your good, well recorded and well mastered CD's. The ones that were crappy
or at least borderline will now make your ears bleed.

dave


Everytime I think it's my system I throw in my old 1998 Iasca competition
cd. sounds great. then i get ****ed off because so many cds sound awful.
my wife just bought the new norah jones and while the clarity isn't bad
there is so much noise in the background it's like listening to a tape with
dolby turned off.


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"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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Same car here but I use the 240 GT dyns. Try putting yout tweets on
the -2db setting of the passive xovers that come with the speakers. That
fixed it for me.


Already did it. It helped, but did not totally rectify the problem.


It still happens on some cds in my system, like cranberries, live and other
similar music. Miles Davis recorded back in the 50s sounds terrific. So
does harry connick jr.

i just avoid the crappy cds. what else can you do?


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You've got 13 bands of eq and you're having trouble keeping it from being
too bright?

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"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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An in-dash EQ can give you 10 bands of adjustment.


What kind? In "Simple" mode, my CD8443 has a 13 band graphic EQ with a 1

band
parametric and 2-way crossover adjustment. In "Pro" mode, I get a 5 band
parametric EQ with 3 way crossover adjustment. Also, is there a specific
outboard EQ you would unanimously reccomend?



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It still happens on some cds in my system, like cranberries, live and other
similar music. Miles Davis recorded back in the 50s sounds terrific. So
does harry connick jr.


Yea, it's interesting. With 3 out of 4 Joe Satriani CDs it sounds fine, same
with Eric Johnson's "Venus Isle" and selected Jazz tracks from the likes of Taj
Mahal. But with Live, The Smashing Pumpkins and No Doubt, it sounds bright.
Conversly, with Ozzy Ozbourne and Stone Temple Pilots, the high end ringing
goes away, but it sounds "muddier".
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You've got 13 bands of eq and you're having trouble keeping it from being
too bright?


Yea, although only on selected CDs. Maybe it's just the quality of the
recordings, but it kind of sucks when 2 to 3 out of every 5 CDs I own sound
like crap. The Klipsch I have in my room use the Klipsch Horn tweets, normally
considered to be bright, but I don't have this problem with them for some
reason.


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Liz (and everybody),
I've gotten hooked on this site:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2 (direct link into the
Music area). Steve Hoffman is a very cool guy who is a Mastering Engineer.
He will personally answer whatever questions you might have as to why most
CD's today sound like such utter crap and what he does to avoid this mess.
This forum has nothing but music lovers in it and the amount of info there
is amazing. Steve's remastering work on classic rock, jazz and pop stuff is
ear-opening. I've bought WAY too many CD's that bring a tear to my ear every
time I try to listen to them. Once you go through his discography page (same
site), you will start combing through your local used CD store with a whole
new perspective.

dave


"thelizman" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
You might also (finally) be hearing the music the way it sounds. When

you
get a set of speakers as revealing as the Dyns, you'll start to

appreciate
your good, well recorded and well mastered CD's. The ones that were

crappy
or at least borderline will now make your ears bleed.


Which is 90% of the CDs on the market. I love those Mapleshade/Wildchild
cd's for their clarity, I just wish the music wasn't so lame all the time.

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Dave wrote:
Liz (and everybody),
I've gotten hooked on this site:
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2 (direct link into the
Music area).


I'll check it out, though I don't have alot of time for yet another
forum. Wow..THE Steve Hoffman. How many times did I see that on a CD.

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Steve,

Why don't you try a different tweeter mounting location? I have never
personally cared for having the tweeter that far away from the mids and/or
that close to my ears without being severely muted.

Tony


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"Z. Gluhak" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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You might also (finally) be hearing the music the way it sounds. When

you
get a set of speakers as revealing as the Dyns, you'll start to

appreciate
your good, well recorded and well mastered CD's. The ones that were

crappy
or at least borderline will now make your ears bleed.

dave


Everytime I think it's my system I throw in my old 1998 Iasca competition
cd. sounds great. then i get ****ed off because so many cds sound awful.
my wife just bought the new norah jones and while the clarity isn't bad
there is so much noise in the background it's like listening to a tape

with
dolby turned off.




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Why don't you try a different tweeter mounting location?

I've got nowhere else to put them with serious modification to the interior of
my car.
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Where are they again?

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Why don't you try a different tweeter mounting location?


I've got nowhere else to put them with serious modification to the

interior of
my car.





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Where are they again?


In little pods on the a-pillars.
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We have the exact same car - I put them in the same place as you and it was
a pain since they are fat! If you have your mids in the doors why couldn't
you build little fiberglass pods an make "mini kick panels" by just adding
them next to, not cutting factory kicks? I don't know how much dif this
would really make - they are not firing directly at your ears, if you put
them in the kicks they are farther away but fire right at you.


"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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Why don't you try a different tweeter mounting location?


I've got nowhere else to put them with serious modification to the

interior of
my car.



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Steve Grauman wrote: "I've got nowhere else to put them with serious
modification to the interior of my car."

I used to have a Honda Prelude that I mounted the tweeters behind the stock
speaker grill low on the door. I was able to use metal strips (strips of
metal with large round holes in it) and position the tweeters centered over
the woofers behind the grill (kind of like a homemade coaxial). It worked
out quite nicely. Is this an option for you? Is there enough room behind
the grill? Even if you mounted the tweeter beside the woofer?

Tony





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why couldn't
you build little fiberglass pods an make "mini kick panels" by just adding
them next to, not cutting factory kicks?


I have a 5-speed. Putting kicks down in the footwells that wouldn't prevent
easy access to the clutch pedal would be difficult and expensive. The only
other option I've got is to drill holes into the door next to the mids and put
the tweets there. And I'm not particularly interetsed in cutting up my door.
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Is this an option for you?

I don't think so. Although there's good clearence between the top of the woofer
and the inside of the grill, there's a ring around the woofer that touches the
inside of the door. I would have preferred to use kickpanels, but building a
kick that wouldn't block the clutch pedal in my car would've been expensive and
time consuming. OTOH, if anyone on the board knows what they're doing and would
be willing to give me free labor, I'd think about it, LOL.


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Where are they again?

In little pods on the a-pillars.


Well, aside from biamping (my #1 recommendation), I have two other
suggestions:
1) play with the phase of the tweeters - try both of them in opposite phase,
then just one or the other in opposite phase.
2) inserting an occluder like foam or tissue paper can serve to emulate
off-axis freq resp (kinda sorta).


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Steve Grauman wrote: "I've got nowhere else to put them with serious
modification to the interior of my car."

I used to have a Honda Prelude that I mounted the tweeters behind the

stock
speaker grill low on the door. I was able to use metal strips (strips of
metal with large round holes in it) and position the tweeters centered

over
the woofers behind the grill (kind of like a homemade coaxial). It worked
out quite nicely. Is this an option for you? Is there enough room behind
the grill? Even if you mounted the tweeter beside the woofer?

Tony


Ditto that, Tony. In my last car, which is very similar to my current car,
I also put the tweets down in the stock door locations with the midbass and
midrange (I have pics if anyone wants to see an example). In my current
car, I've got a similar setup in the front doors, only the tweets are in the
stock dash locations. I liked it better in the doors.


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Well, aside from biamping (my #1 recommendation)

I'd love to, but at the current moment in time, I have no cash for a second amp
or for the install. Unless I can sell off the old Neo Geo AES system I've got,
or some of the other "vintage" game gear and comics I've got. I also have a VW
CD changer if anyone is interested.
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I have a 5speed, VR6 as well. I had those crappy store bought kick panels
in my 1997 gti and had no problems with the clutch.

There is a huge footrest on the drivers side and you could mount them in
front of it. On the passenger side it doesn't matter.

Look at this picture of a 2002 gti w/ 5 speed:

http://w1.501.telia.com/~u50103050/2003/6/63-10.jpg

you can't tell me there is not enough room for tiny kicks for tweets...

"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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why couldn't
you build little fiberglass pods an make "mini kick panels" by just

adding
them next to, not cutting factory kicks?


I have a 5-speed. Putting kicks down in the footwells that wouldn't

prevent
easy access to the clutch pedal would be difficult and expensive. The only
other option I've got is to drill holes into the door next to the mids and

put
the tweets there. And I'm not particularly interetsed in cutting up my

door.


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It took me a while to figure out where to mount my Dynaudio tweeters in my
Explorer. Too far down toward the floor and the soundstage seemed to drop
too much. If you look at this page
(http://www.morrisonphotographics.com/caraudio/) and substitute the Dyn 340
System for the Boston's pictured, you'll see what I tried as I positioned
the tweeters all over the dash and the doors. Please forgive the lame page
design. I finally went with the Dyn biamp xover option (thanks Peter
Lufrano) and I've been extremely happy since. I had an PG eq232
(http://www.phoenixgoldcorp.com/eq232.html) sitting on the seat next to me
for a few months and would tweak the settings constantly (gave me something
to do at stop lights). All this was being fed by a Nak CD700 head (great
unit) but I found that when I had the eq set the way I liked it, there was
barely ANY boost or cut dialed into the signal.....just a slight cut at mid
around 1k or 1.25k. Since the Nak has a midrange control, I dumped the PG
and put a slight (and I mean SLIGHT) dip in the mid control to make this the
best balanced system I've ever used. Active xovers would be the only thing
I'd add to the system now (other than going to the Pioneer '7500 DVD head
very soon) but I REALLY like the sound of this system. Oops, forgot to
mention that a/d/s (thanks Pat M.) PQ40.2 powers the Dyns and P2110.2 powers
the JL Stealthbox.

dave


"MZ" wrote in message
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Steve Grauman wrote: "I've got nowhere else to put them with serious
modification to the interior of my car."

I used to have a Honda Prelude that I mounted the tweeters behind the

stock
speaker grill low on the door. I was able to use metal strips (strips

of
metal with large round holes in it) and position the tweeters centered

over
the woofers behind the grill (kind of like a homemade coaxial). It

worked
out quite nicely. Is this an option for you? Is there enough room

behind
the grill? Even if you mounted the tweeter beside the woofer?

Tony


Ditto that, Tony. In my last car, which is very similar to my current

car,
I also put the tweets down in the stock door locations with the midbass

and
midrange (I have pics if anyone wants to see an example). In my current
car, I've got a similar setup in the front doors, only the tweets are in

the
stock dash locations. I liked it better in the doors.






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There is a huge footrest on the drivers side and you could mount them in
front of it. On the passenger side it doesn't matter.


Great. Who wants to give me the free labor and pay for a rental for whatever
time the install takes? A set of speakers with an MSRP over $1,000 shouldn't
need to be moved around this much.
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Is it possible they just sound brighter than normal because I don't have a sub
right now?
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Sorry thought you were a DIY type...you can easily fabricate some small
enclosures out of fiberglass/wood/bondo...

why don't you put the resistor in place like someone suggested, it will
help.

"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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There is a huge footrest on the drivers side and you could mount them in
front of it. On the passenger side it doesn't matter.


Great. Who wants to give me the free labor and pay for a rental for

whatever
time the install takes? A set of speakers with an MSRP over $1,000

shouldn't
need to be moved around this much.



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Sorry thought you were a DIY type...you can easily fabricate some small
enclosures out of fiberglass/wood/bondo.


I wish I was, but I don't have any idea how to do this stuff myself. I'd
happily spring for the materials if someone would come over and help me do the
work.
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Steve Grauman wrote:
Sorry thought you were a DIY type...you can easily fabricate some small
enclosures out of fiberglass/wood/bondo.



I wish I was, but I don't have any idea how to do this stuff myself. I'd
happily spring for the materials if someone would come over and help me do the
work.


Help yourself schmooze.

Over at JL Audio, if you click on "tutorials", they have two articles on
how to make some nice stuff from fiberglass, including a new door panel
and a triple woofer plate.


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Help yourself schmooze.

Over at JL Audio, if you click on "tutorials", they have two articles on


I've never been particularly gifted with things of this sort. I've never worked
with fiberglass before, and moreover, I'm worried about the damage I'd do to my
car. I really wish I had a few thousand dollars I could spare. I could buy a
junker for $1,000 and work on that. =)
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Hey Dave.

Some interesting similarites between us. I used to have a '97 Explorer. I
had my Dyns, Nak CD-700, EQ232, and Stealthbox in there just like you.
The Dyns were active, though. Best system I ever had the pleasure of
owning.

Tony


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What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the
universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that
he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't
have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact

"Dave" wrote in message
...
It took me a while to figure out where to mount my Dynaudio tweeters in my
Explorer. Too far down toward the floor and the soundstage seemed to drop
too much. If you look at this page
(http://www.morrisonphotographics.com/caraudio/) and substitute the Dyn

340
System for the Boston's pictured, you'll see what I tried as I positioned
the tweeters all over the dash and the doors. Please forgive the lame page
design. I finally went with the Dyn biamp xover option (thanks Peter
Lufrano) and I've been extremely happy since. I had an PG eq232
(http://www.phoenixgoldcorp.com/eq232.html) sitting on the seat next to me
for a few months and would tweak the settings constantly (gave me

something
to do at stop lights). All this was being fed by a Nak CD700 head (great
unit) but I found that when I had the eq set the way I liked it, there was
barely ANY boost or cut dialed into the signal.....just a slight cut at

mid
around 1k or 1.25k. Since the Nak has a midrange control, I dumped the PG
and put a slight (and I mean SLIGHT) dip in the mid control to make this

the
best balanced system I've ever used. Active xovers would be the only thing
I'd add to the system now (other than going to the Pioneer '7500 DVD head
very soon) but I REALLY like the sound of this system. Oops, forgot to
mention that a/d/s (thanks Pat M.) PQ40.2 powers the Dyns and P2110.2

powers
the JL Stealthbox.

dave


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Steve Grauman wrote: "I've got nowhere else to put them with serious
modification to the interior of my car."

I used to have a Honda Prelude that I mounted the tweeters behind the

stock
speaker grill low on the door. I was able to use metal strips (strips

of
metal with large round holes in it) and position the tweeters centered

over
the woofers behind the grill (kind of like a homemade coaxial). It

worked
out quite nicely. Is this an option for you? Is there enough room

behind
the grill? Even if you mounted the tweeter beside the woofer?

Tony


Ditto that, Tony. In my last car, which is very similar to my current

car,
I also put the tweets down in the stock door locations with the midbass

and
midrange (I have pics if anyone wants to see an example). In my current
car, I've got a similar setup in the front doors, only the tweets are in

the
stock dash locations. I liked it better in the doors.






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Help yourself schmooze.

Over at JL Audio, if you click on "tutorials", they have two articles on


I've never been particularly gifted with things of this sort. I've never

worked
with fiberglass before, and moreover, I'm worried about the damage I'd do

to my
car. I really wish I had a few thousand dollars I could spare. I could buy

a
junker for $1,000 and work on that. =)


First, it doesn't matter how much you pay for speakers. The installation
primarily dictates the sound. This isn't just hyperbole. I think you're
finding that out.

Secondly, making fiberglass kicks is not an easy job. It also shouldn't be
necessary to achieve good sound, though oftentimes it does help. But you'd
have a hard time damaging anything by doing so. The question is...do you
have the time to mess around with it? If so, you should give it a shot and
call it a learning experience. It may take you a couple tries, but you can
do it. It's not rocket science. Hell, moron installers can even do it.
I've seen them, and some of them can even do it right!



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Steve Grauman wrote:

I've never been particularly gifted with things of this sort.


Neither have I. But I still did it, and with careful effort and
attention to detail, I've made some pretty nice ****.

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The Dyns were active, though.

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