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"ONE digital sound projector is all you need for 7-channel surround sound -
no speakers required, and no wires all over. It's self-amplified. It learns
the layout of your media room.

"Talk about a strong list of features: check out our new PDSP-1 Digital
Sound Projector:

500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
its own compact digital amplifier.

Direct digital connection from a similarly equipped DVD or CD player

It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint locations in
your media room

We mean YOUR media room. It can be programmed for room size, texture of
the floor and walls, and even whether the curtains are open or closed.

No need for an A/V receiver, outboard amplifier, or any other speakers

Only 5" thick


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Arny Krueger wrote:

http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

"ONE digital sound projector is all you need for 7-channel surround sound -
no speakers required, and no wires all over. It's self-amplified. It learns
the layout of your media room.

"Talk about a strong list of features: check out our new PDSP-1 Digital
Sound Projector:

500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
its own compact digital amplifier.

Direct digital connection from a similarly equipped DVD or CD player

It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint locations in
your media room

We mean YOUR media room. It can be programmed for room size, texture of
the floor and walls, and even whether the curtains are open or closed.

No need for an A/V receiver, outboard amplifier, or any other speakers

Only 5" thick


The proof would be in the listening.

Reminds me of the Sweet-16 speaker construction project; some audio mag
in the 1960s. The point of that project was to take 16 speakers of
medium to junk quality and blend the output in an array such that each
speaker had so little drive, distortion was kept to a minimum and the
cones coupled for better base.

Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

"ONE digital sound projector is all you need for 7-channel surround sound -
no speakers required, and no wires all over. It's self-amplified. It learns
the layout of your media room.

"Talk about a strong list of features: check out our new PDSP-1 Digital
Sound Projector:

500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
its own compact digital amplifier.

Direct digital connection from a similarly equipped DVD or CD player

It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint locations in
your media room

We mean YOUR media room. It can be programmed for room size, texture of
the floor and walls, and even whether the curtains are open or closed.

No need for an A/V receiver, outboard amplifier, or any other speakers

Only 5" thick


The proof would be in the listening.

Reminds me of the Sweet-16 speaker construction project; some audio mag
in the 1960s. The point of that project was to take 16 speakers of
medium to junk quality and blend the output in an array such that each
speaker had so little drive, distortion was kept to a minimum and the
cones coupled for better base.

Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

"ONE digital sound projector is all you need for 7-channel surround sound -
no speakers required, and no wires all over. It's self-amplified. It learns
the layout of your media room.

"Talk about a strong list of features: check out our new PDSP-1 Digital
Sound Projector:

500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
its own compact digital amplifier.

Direct digital connection from a similarly equipped DVD or CD player

It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint locations in
your media room

We mean YOUR media room. It can be programmed for room size, texture of
the floor and walls, and even whether the curtains are open or closed.

No need for an A/V receiver, outboard amplifier, or any other speakers

Only 5" thick


The proof would be in the listening.

Reminds me of the Sweet-16 speaker construction project; some audio mag
in the 1960s. The point of that project was to take 16 speakers of
medium to junk quality and blend the output in an array such that each
speaker had so little drive, distortion was kept to a minimum and the
cones coupled for better base.

Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

"ONE digital sound projector is all you need for 7-channel surround sound -
no speakers required, and no wires all over. It's self-amplified. It learns
the layout of your media room.

"Talk about a strong list of features: check out our new PDSP-1 Digital
Sound Projector:

500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
its own compact digital amplifier.

Direct digital connection from a similarly equipped DVD or CD player

It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint locations in
your media room

We mean YOUR media room. It can be programmed for room size, texture of
the floor and walls, and even whether the curtains are open or closed.

No need for an A/V receiver, outboard amplifier, or any other speakers

Only 5" thick


The proof would be in the listening.

Reminds me of the Sweet-16 speaker construction project; some audio mag
in the 1960s. The point of that project was to take 16 speakers of
medium to junk quality and blend the output in an array such that each
speaker had so little drive, distortion was kept to a minimum and the
cones coupled for better base.

Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.



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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn.../detail/0,,207
6_4313_41173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html



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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn.../detail/0,,207
6_4313_41173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html



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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn.../detail/0,,207
6_4313_41173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html



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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn.../detail/0,,207
6_4313_41173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html



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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...0,,2076_4313_4
1173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html




Interesting idea but I see a few issues that will have to be worked out.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.




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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...0,,2076_4313_4
1173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html




Interesting idea but I see a few issues that will have to be worked out.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.


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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...0,,2076_4313_4
1173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html




Interesting idea but I see a few issues that will have to be worked out.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.


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"Rusty Boudreaux" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
It perfectly projects up to seven separate sound beams

containing
surround sound information (such as Dolby Digital) to pinpoint

locations in
your media room


It will be interesting if they can pull it off. The press
release was back in September '02 for 5.1 surround with release
scheduled early '03.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...0,,2076_4313_4
1173,00.html


I guess they're still having issues with the $40,000 MSRP.


Somewhat better picture here (about 1/2 way down)
http://www.laaudiofile.com/ces2003.html




Interesting idea but I see a few issues that will have to be worked out.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.


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Robert Gault wrote:

: Arny Krueger wrote:
:
: http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

[snip]

: 500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
: its own compact digital amplifier.

[snip]

: Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
: blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
: should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.

Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M
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Robert Gault wrote:

: Arny Krueger wrote:
:
: http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

[snip]

: 500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
: its own compact digital amplifier.

[snip]

: Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
: blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
: should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.

Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M


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Robert Gault wrote:

: Arny Krueger wrote:
:
: http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

[snip]

: 500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
: its own compact digital amplifier.

[snip]

: Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
: blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
: should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.

Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M
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Robert Gault wrote:

: Arny Krueger wrote:
:
: http://pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ar..._48023,00.html

[snip]

: 500-watt digital sound projector with 254 individual speakers, each with
: its own compact digital amplifier.

[snip]

: Makes you wonder how 254 mini-cones can beam anything other than a
: blended sound with minimal frequency response. Even low distortion
: should be a problem with cones that look like their about 1" diam.

Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M
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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.


geoff


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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.


geoff


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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.


geoff




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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.


geoff


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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote:

: "Ross Matheson" wrote in message
:
: It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
: technology that's been around for a little while.
:
: Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.

You mean in quality? Yep. I wondered about that - only applications so far
seem to be in spot art/museum gallery commentaries and vehicle cabs.
Yet if we are talking difference tones low frequency results may depend on
accurate source stabilities. Perhaps the Pioneer is sizzleware so far but
perhaps again the desired results may yet be achieved - time will tell.
I'm sure that's the technology behind the concept though. Steering and all
with 5.1 from one "source" is an ambitious take on it however; good on them.

The paranoiac mind-control conspiracy folk are of course already freaked
about the technology to make one person in a loose group hear voices ...

(:=}) Ross
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote:

: "Ross Matheson" wrote in message
:
: It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
: technology that's been around for a little while.
:
: Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.

You mean in quality? Yep. I wondered about that - only applications so far
seem to be in spot art/museum gallery commentaries and vehicle cabs.
Yet if we are talking difference tones low frequency results may depend on
accurate source stabilities. Perhaps the Pioneer is sizzleware so far but
perhaps again the desired results may yet be achieved - time will tell.
I'm sure that's the technology behind the concept though. Steering and all
with 5.1 from one "source" is an ambitious take on it however; good on them.

The paranoiac mind-control conspiracy folk are of course already freaked
about the technology to make one person in a loose group hear voices ...

(:=}) Ross
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote:

: "Ross Matheson" wrote in message
:
: It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
: technology that's been around for a little while.
:
: Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.

You mean in quality? Yep. I wondered about that - only applications so far
seem to be in spot art/museum gallery commentaries and vehicle cabs.
Yet if we are talking difference tones low frequency results may depend on
accurate source stabilities. Perhaps the Pioneer is sizzleware so far but
perhaps again the desired results may yet be achieved - time will tell.
I'm sure that's the technology behind the concept though. Steering and all
with 5.1 from one "source" is an ambitious take on it however; good on them.

The paranoiac mind-control conspiracy folk are of course already freaked
about the technology to make one person in a loose group hear voices ...

(:=}) Ross
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote:

: "Ross Matheson" wrote in message
:
: It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
: technology that's been around for a little while.
:
: Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I doubt it.

You mean in quality? Yep. I wondered about that - only applications so far
seem to be in spot art/museum gallery commentaries and vehicle cabs.
Yet if we are talking difference tones low frequency results may depend on
accurate source stabilities. Perhaps the Pioneer is sizzleware so far but
perhaps again the desired results may yet be achieved - time will tell.
I'm sure that's the technology behind the concept though. Steering and all
with 5.1 from one "source" is an ambitious take on it however; good on them.

The paranoiac mind-control conspiracy folk are of course already freaked
about the technology to make one person in a loose group hear voices ...

(:=}) Ross


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Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.

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Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.

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Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.

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Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.

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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
...

"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic

beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I

doubt it.

No, way. It costs $40,000 so it MUST sound good




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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic

beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I

doubt it.

No, way. It costs $40,000 so it MUST sound good


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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic

beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I

doubt it.

No, way. It costs $40,000 so it MUST sound good


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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message
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"Ross Matheson" wrote in message

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic

beaming
technology that's been around for a little while.


Also sounds like a load of ****. I may be proved wrong, but I

doubt it.

No, way. It costs $40,000 so it MUST sound good


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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:05:00 GMT, Robert Gault
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Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.


Not required. It can be a phased array, which is pretty much standard
in modern military radar antennae, and allows much faster beam
steering than is possible with physical movement.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.


True, and also oddities like a bra with false nipples, so that you
look like you're not wearing a bra!
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:05:00 GMT, Robert Gault
wrote:

Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.


Not required. It can be a phased array, which is pretty much standard
in modern military radar antennae, and allows much faster beam
steering than is possible with physical movement.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.


True, and also oddities like a bra with false nipples, so that you
look like you're not wearing a bra!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering


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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:05:00 GMT, Robert Gault
wrote:

Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.


Not required. It can be a phased array, which is pretty much standard
in modern military radar antennae, and allows much faster beam
steering than is possible with physical movement.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.


True, and also oddities like a bra with false nipples, so that you
look like you're not wearing a bra!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:05:00 GMT, Robert Gault
wrote:

Ross Matheson wrote:


Ultrasonics.

It's obvious to me that it's a development of the ultrasonic beaming
technology that's been around for a little while. A quick Google ...

http://www.atcsd.com/tl_hss.html
http://www.holosonics.com/technology.html

They obviously put several channels in one box and steer the beams as
required. Obviously the technology works. I'm sure we'll see more of it.

Ross M

Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.


Not required. It can be a phased array, which is pretty much standard
in modern military radar antennae, and allows much faster beam
steering than is possible with physical movement.

The US patent office too often issue patents for ideas that don't work.


True, and also oddities like a bra with false nipples, so that you
look like you're not wearing a bra!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

snip
Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.



Not required. It can be a phased array, which is pretty much standard
in modern military radar antennae, and allows much faster beam
steering than is possible with physical movement.

snip


Very interesting and I just learned something. Do you think the
technique can be applied to the frequencies of audio and still be valid
and effective?

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

snip
Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.



Not required. It can be a phased array, which is pretty much standard
in modern military radar antennae, and allows much faster beam
steering than is possible with physical movement.

snip


Very interesting and I just learned something. Do you think the
technique can be applied to the frequencies of audio and still be valid
and effective?

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

snip
Nothing obvious here to me or even proof that it works. Any beaming is
either going to require a moving speaker or a cylindrical array of
speakers. The Pioneer is neither.



Not required. It can be a phased array, which is pretty much standard
in modern military radar antennae, and allows much faster beam
steering than is possible with physical movement.

snip


Very interesting and I just learned something. Do you think the
technique can be applied to the frequencies of audio and still be valid
and effective?



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